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1. 12:54 AM - Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? (planecrazzzy)
2. 01:21 AM - Re: Kolb MkIII FX (planecrazzzy)
3. 01:34 AM - Re: Cherry Grove Fly-in (planecrazzzy)
4. 02:08 AM - Re: Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? (Tony Oldman)
5. 03:51 AM - Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? (Thom Riddle)
6. 04:03 AM - Re: Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 (pat ladd)
7. 04:49 AM - Re: Name that plane!! (George Myers)
8. 05:23 AM - Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? (N27SB@aol.com)
9. 11:29 AM - Ms. Dixie update (Paul Petty)
10. 12:27 PM - Re: Ms. Dixie update (jb92563)
11. 12:57 PM - Re: Firefly Landing speed (jb92563)
12. 02:14 PM - Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? (Vincent Nicely)
13. 02:51 PM - Re: Need Kolb M3X information please. (lucien)
14. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: Need Kolb M3X information please. (Richard Girard)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? |
I was flying a Piper PA-12 for my Tailwheel endorsement....
One day , it was "down" for maintainace , So I took my flight in a J3
I would say that it would be a great plane to transition to a Kolb
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN , Firestar II / 503 / N381PM
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb MkIII FX |
Hey Mike,
Maybe X Class...
There are a lot of X class planes....X-1 .....X-15
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Nothin fake about yer plane....Just experimental
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & Jaz in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Cherry Grove Fly-in |
Another picture , There's 3 Kolb's in this one , a Twinstar... Firestar &
Original Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? |
Having flown both ,they are some what similar . The main differences from
memory being the MK111 will get off the ground much faster and climb out at
a steeper angle.On landing the cub will not drop off speed as fast as the
kolb so will roll much further. A lot more inertia .They are both a delight
to fly. Stall speeds are similar. They behave different in a stall.
Approaches in the cub will be flatter and lower on finals. You can bleed
speed off much faster in a low inertia aircraft. The cub is much better that
the kolb in turbulence and has a higher cruise speed. Now to explain these
differences a bit more . I have 300+ hrs in the kolb and only about 3 in the
cub. There are things that I would do in the kolb that I would not try in
the cub but if the hours were reversed who knows.Also an Aronca champ is
similar to both . I have about 60 hrs in one of those and it is also a
delight.
Please bear in mind the MK111 I fly is powered by a 503 so is light. I read
here about things like ground loops ,bending landing gear and cross wind
landings. I cant say I have experienced any of these problems with the Kolb.
it behaves very well .I have very little experience with tricycle
undercarriages,probably no more than 50 landing cycles so maybe that's why.
In the part of the world I fly in the MK111 is a legal ultra light and can
carry a passenger if the pilot is passenger rated. The cub is not and
requires a full PPL
the Aronca I mentioned is a scale Ultralight . Single seater with a 447 .
The biggest and main difference is the inertia ,always be aware of it ,and
do not let your hand stray far from the throttle when ever you are close to
the ground.
Any flight experience is better than being on the ground so grab a ride and
fly any type you can its all good experience.You will not be disappointed
with the MK111
Tony
MK111 NewZealand
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From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 7:54 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub?
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? |
Clearprop,
What kind of dual training you will need to prepare for flying a Firestar depends
largely on what you have been flying recently. If you have not flown at all,
then you need to get competent training before soloing anything.
I've flown a PA-11 which is much like a J-3 Cub with more power (90 hp) but soloed
from the front seat. I've flown two early model Firestars. If you can master
a Cub, including ground handling in strong cross-winds, you should have no
problem transitioning to the Firestar. They are not the same but close enough
that if you do the slow flight and simulated approach work at safe altitude on
your first flight in the Firestar, after J-3 training, then you should be ready
to handle the Firestar during landing.
The Cub with an instructor along for ballast will be roughly twice the weight of
a Firestar flown solo, so the momentum during flare is the biggest difference
you will notice, as others have said. Other differences worth noting: Lighter
wing loading will make the FS more susceptible to thermals and gusts. Lower
angle of attack in three point stance (FS) makes graceful full stall landings
in a FS a little tough but are fairly easy in a Cub, so wheel landings are recommended
in the FS with standard main gear configuration. Cub is more susceptible
to ground loops but they are still possible in a FS, so don't let it get
ahead of you in x-winds on the ground. Nose over in a FS is easier with standard
gear legs so advancing the throttle in the FS during take-off should be smooth
and not too fast, especially with long grass or very soft runway surfaces.
For the same reason, the FS brakes should be applied smoothly and gently.
Get used to the differences in calm or nearly calm conditions, and you should be
good to go.
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: Nose Art 001 |
The only "nose art" we got down here.>>
Like it John. That line painter must be one lazy s.o.b.
Pat
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| Subject: | Name that plane!! |
Duckbilled Planepus?
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Welch
Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2007 1:27 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Name that plane!!
My first photo was rejected. Hope this one gets through. Mike
> Hello all,
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> I recently came across this photo of a plane. Anyone care to venture
>a guess as to what it is????
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> Thank you, Mike in SW
>Utah
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>Oh, BTW, I DO know. Kudos to the first guy or gal that gets it right!!!
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? |
John,
I had about 12 hours in a cub on floats before I flew my
Firefly on floats. The biggest difference is going to be in the flair. The
Cub holds off and bleeds airspeed for a bit as you let it settle in. The
Firefly does not. After only 10 minutes in a Quicksilver on floats and I got the
picture. If the Cub is all you have then go for it but as you are learning
the Kolb use power on your landings to compensate for the difference. In the
Firefly with a 447 it is about 4000rpm.
steve
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| Subject: | Ms. Dixie update |
Hey guys been a while since I posted so i thought I may pop in and say hello. The
Kolbra has not flown in weeks due to the heat and timing of things. It makes
me sad to report that as a result of AIDS (Aviation induced divorce syndrome)
I have relocated not far from Harris international. I now live in a cabin on
a 50 arce lake and yep you guessed it FLOATS! Were guessing that this lake is
1000' maybe long but were going to shoot it with a range finder to see. Im thinking
and looking at the puddle jumper amphibs. Any ideas on other floats would
be great. Also any ideas on TO performance will be a fun thread for a Kolbra.
As for the AIDS deal I ask that you all pray for me and I hope things get back
to normal soon. I installed 4 snap vents in Ms Dixie yesterday and as soon as
we get time and a break in this heat we will resume testing.
Pops amd I are still working on the Interstate Cadet and will be covering the wings
soon.
Take care
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Paul Petty
Kolbra #12
Ms Dixie
912 UL 70" warp
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| Subject: | Re: Ms. Dixie update |
Sorry to hear about the AIDS.
We all must pray that she does not go for your Mistress(Ms Dixie) in the settlement.
Spitefull spouses tend to enjoy that more than anything.
You must stress the tax burden and costly storage fees, and flight testing requirements/restrictions
to deter any movement on your Lady.
Also pretending to be disinterested in Miss Dixie and having a float plane on your
mind is a good tactic.
Been there, done that and now girl friends is the ONLY way to go.
Reason being is that having a mistress keeps them on their toes, you don't have
to see them ALL the time, your garage can be as messy and crowded as you like,
you can have as many planes as you want, not being available ALL the time makes
them want you more, you dont HAVE to take them on flying trips with you, sex
is better when its not as frequent and you dont have to see her in curlers
and fuzzy slippers.....lol
It will all work out for you Paul.....2 years from now you will be a very satisfied
guy!
Better start looking for a bigger hanger ;-)
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Ray
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Landing speed |
Best Glide is equal to making the most DISTANCE from your height
Minimum Sink is equal to making the most TIME aloft from your height
Best Glide:
It is 1.3 x stall speed plus 1/2 the head wind speed.
If you are flying down wind it is just 1.3 x stall.
You MUST factor in the head wind speed.
So 35 stall equals about 47 for maximum distance in calm air.
Headwind Best Glide:
If there is a headwind add half the windspeed as well.
(ie 15mph headwind adds ~7 so 47+7=54)
Tailwind Best glide:
Just fly between 47(1.3xstall) or even down to minimum sink speed and enjoy your
nice Loooong glide.
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Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb fly's like a J3 Cub? |
John,
I took instruction in a J3 before flying my Firestar II the first
time. I thought it worked out very well as a model for flying the Firestar.
Vince Nicely
clearprop wrote:
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>I'm trying to figure out how to get instruction in a Kolb aircraft. No one seems
to have one for instructional use. Ideally I'm trying to fly a Firestar. I
read in one of the threads here that the J3 Cub has similar flying characteristics
as the Kolb. Any truth to this? There is a fellow in town who gives dual
instruction in his Cub. I guess if I can master the J3 Cub I can fly a Kolb???
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| Subject: | Re: Need Kolb M3X information please. |
promod69camaro wrote:
> Hi Lucien,
> It seem that I run across you on every list I subscribe to. And you own or have
owned at least two planes that I am interested in. I always look forward
to your responses. They are well thought out and usually just the information
the poster is looking for.
> I am going up in a M3X next week to see what I think. I need to keep in mind
that even on a 150 mile trip, a 20 or 30 mph speed difference doesn't make much
difference in terms of arrival time. But it would be nice to have it all in
one package.
> I bid on and won a never before used Jabiru 3300 yesterday that was on ebay.
I have not heard back from the seller yet. I hope its not a scam and I will
need to be careful. I think this engine would be great on a M3X or a Titan S
or SS. For that matter, it would also make a slick moving Sonex. In tail dragger
configuration, they are remarkably flexable.
> Shawn
The 3300 is supposed to work very well on the tornado, though I don't know about
the Kolb. The 912 and 912s sound like the motors of choice on the large 2-place
kolbs, mostly likely because of the ability to swing the larger props, preferred
on slower planes designed more for STOL.
I've attached a couple photos of my two planes, two of the finest light a/c types
you can get, IMO - the titan for go-fast, zip around, high-performance mission,
and the Kolb for the magic-carpet ride mission.
Truth is, I can't identify any particular reason why I like the Kolb design so
much. It's probably the construction, the folding wings and the fact that it's
tailwheel. The entire airframe uses traditional aviation construction, nothing
junky or screwball on the entire plane. The covering used is the Stitts process
which pretty much lasts forever and there are very few wear points on the
plane.
Personally, if I were going with a big Kolb, I'd do the Kolbra, mainly because
of the tandem seating and what appears to be a little less wing area (so it might
be less affected by the wind). It looks like the view is a little better in
the Kolbra from the front seat. But I still have yet to fly in either of the
big Kolbs, so I can't really make an informed judgement there....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Need Kolb M3X information please. |
Lucien et al, From the experience of the rash of S-LSA Cub builders the
problem with the Jab 3300 is that it takes very careful design of engine
baffling to get it to cool acceptably. I believe it was Cub Crafters that
wanted to run the 3300 with eyebrow baffles to make it better resemble the
classic J-3. Could not get it to cool and in the end had to put it inside a
full cowling. This on a tractor airplane with the big fan out front pushing
air over the cylinders. Might be really tough to get it to cool in a pusher
configuration like the Kolb.
Rick
On 8/27/07, lucien <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> promod69camaro wrote:
> > Hi Lucien,
> > It seem that I run across you on every list I subscribe to. And you own
> or have owned at least two planes that I am interested in. I always look
> forward to your responses. They are well thought out and usually just the
> information the poster is looking for.
> > I am going up in a M3X next week to see what I think. I need to keep in
> mind that even on a 150 mile trip, a 20 or 30 mph speed difference doesn't
> make much difference in terms of arrival time. But it would be nice to have
> it all in one package.
> > I bid on and won a never before used Jabiru 3300 yesterday that was on
> ebay. I have not heard back from the seller yet. I hope its not a scam and
> I will need to be careful. I think this engine would be great on a M3X or a
> Titan S or SS. For that matter, it would also make a slick moving
> Sonex. In tail dragger configuration, they are remarkably flexable.
> > Shawn
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> The 3300 is supposed to work very well on the tornado, though I don't know
> about the Kolb. The 912 and 912s sound like the motors of choice on the
> large 2-place kolbs, mostly likely because of the ability to swing the
> larger props, preferred on slower planes designed more for STOL.
>
> I've attached a couple photos of my two planes, two of the finest light
> a/c types you can get, IMO - the titan for go-fast, zip around,
> high-performance mission, and the Kolb for the magic-carpet ride mission.
>
> Truth is, I can't identify any particular reason why I like the Kolb
> design so much. It's probably the construction, the folding wings and the
> fact that it's tailwheel. The entire airframe uses traditional aviation
> construction, nothing junky or screwball on the entire plane. The covering
> used is the Stitts process which pretty much lasts forever and there are
> very few wear points on the plane.
>
> Personally, if I were going with a big Kolb, I'd do the Kolbra, mainly
> because of the tandem seating and what appears to be a little less wing area
> (so it might be less affected by the wind). It looks like the view is a
> little better in the Kolbra from the front seat. But I still have yet to fly
> in either of the big Kolbs, so I can't really make an informed judgement
> there....
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> LS
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when you live at the airport.
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