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"... mountain flying and flight over open water usually are beyond the scope of
private pilot training." (Jeppesen) In Hawaii if you're not over the open ocean
or mountains... You're still on the runway. Some of us don't get that.
Pueo Field has been carved out of a sloping forest 2,700 ft. up the side of Haleakala
(10,000 ft.). It uses the "Air America" lay out... take-off downhill (runway
29), land uphill (runway 11). I've paced out 350 ft. of lumpy hillside
runway, 50ft. wide at the bottom down to 30 ft. at the top. The trees that surround
it are about 40 ft tall, but no worries, this is Maui... so come the rainy
season and with a little fertilizer and we'll have 'em up to the regulation
"50 foot obstacle at end of runway" faster than you can spell FAA...
I rolled Five-Charlee-Bravo to the "launch-pad" at the top of the runway. And
found the slope was too steep for the brakes to hold the plane. If I can't park,
I sure can't run her up and warm up the engine.
Shortly, there arrived a package from The Acme Gravity Catapult Co. (Beware of
coyotes bearing gifts...). First, I dug out shallow pits for the main gear. This
stopped the plane from rolling with the engine off... Next I drove a fence
post three feet aft of the rudder. Hooking a blue nylon strap to the post, I
looped the other end of the strap through a carabineer hooked to the tail wheel
and jammed the loop with a large metal pin. Next, I tied a white nylon line
to the pin, then ran the line back to the fence post, around a pulley, and then
forward to the cockpit via a piece of PVC pipe nailed to the ground. (Thank-you
Mr.Goldberg)
On the third pull the mighty 447 roared to life, I strapped on the plane and ran
my checks... When I was ready to launch, I yanked the line to activate the
catapult... nothing (#@$%*$#&*&#%). Second yank, the pin slipped the loop and
we trundled downhill. As we passed between two avocado trees I pour on the fuel,
pull the stick back to the stops and on the second bounce we leapt into the
sky. Shortest fixed wing take off for me, ever. (100 Ft.)
PLEASE BE NOTIFIED... THERE ARE NO MORE REFRENCES TO THE ACME GRAVITY CATAPULT...
JUST A LONG WINDED DISCRIPTION OF A SHORT FLIGHT... IF I WERE YOU, I'D SKIP
IT & GO DIRECT TO THE PHOTOS.
We climb, turn 180 to fly uphill, then turn back down to make a low pass over
the field for the benefit of my adoring fans...
About a mile below Pueo Field I see a long section of dirt road leading from a
quarry at the bottom of the Hawaiian Home Lands. We make two low passes and note
it as an emergency field.
We continue down to Puu Kale (1,400 ft.) a broad red cinder cone jutting from
the side of the mountain. We fly down next to the lip and start around, keeping
it a couple of hundred feet off our right wing. Three quarters of the way around
and we have come around to the north side of the cone. And are facing the
summit of the mountain again. The tree tops start to rise to meet us, I give
her some power to climb and continue around the cone.(By now it was after 09:00...
the sun has been roasting the top of the mountain, heating the air close
to the surface. As the heated air moves up and away, air from the ocean and lowlands
rushes uphill to fill the void. Above my head, at 7,000 clouds were forming
as the rising airmass cooled.) I feel the plane being yanked upward. The
cinder cone is still abeam, but it's getting smaller... I am unable to stay close
to it, as we're being swept uphill, past it. The VSI is pointing straight
up and looking worried... (Several factor were at work here, first I was climbing
to avoid the rising mountain... Second, the uphill moving airmass was being
accelerated as curved around the flank the cinder cone.) As we reached the uphill
side of the cone we steepened the bank, continuing to climb we turned 270
to fly back to Pueo Field.
We had found the UP escalator and it was fun... I worry about stumbling onto the
DOWN escalator...
I should explain that I am an extremely short time pilot. I last flew nine months
ago, in Arizona. This is the first flight for my plane in Hawaii. This is
the first time Pueo Field has been used for something other than Pueos hunting
mice and growing avocados. The field is in a hole in the trees and maybe 350
ft. long, so to land... Ya gotta be right on the numbers...
The first two attempts are too low... so low that the view of the runway disappears
behind the trees. I give her fuel to keep us outta the tree tops. The runway
reappears just before we are over it. But now we're too fast and not properly
lined up. Full throttle and we go around. On the third pass we approach high
enough to see the field and line up. But I am unable to properly control my
descent speed and we pick up too much speed to stuff it into the short field.
Full power again, as we climb out I can see the neighbors are starting to cover
their pot plants... A little further down, I notice some guys hauling out an
old airplane decoy from the cargo cult days... Three passes and it's a cute little
yellow airplane, after that we become a nuisance... We leave the area, towards
the south west.
To the north, alternate field #1 (abandoned cropdusters field in the sugarcane)
is under a dark rain squall sweeping in from the north shore. To the south,
at alternate field #2 (drag strip using a remnant of a runway from the WWII Puu
Nene NAS) the wind is kicking up huge red dust devils. But directly below is
that quarry road.
We drop down and make another pass... It all looks good. We fly out, turn 180
and line up on the road. The landing is average, not a thing of great beauty,
but no damage... Rolling out I see the road continues uphill a half a mile. I
give her some more fuel and we drive up the hill. The road ends at a T intersection
that forms a ledge on the side of the slope. I shut off the engine. My cell
phone is ringing...
The site super gave me a ride up to the highway. There I met my pals, who came
with my truck and trailer. We packed her up and hauled her back to Pueo Field.
I returned with a case of beer and dropped it at the super's office.
I know I gotta practice every aspect of airmanship... To land at Pueo Field I
have to find some where to run some touch-n-goes, and get better control of my
descent speeds... Any advice on short field, uphill, in the trees landings would
be appreciated...
Everyone on this list knows... It can be a long time between that moment you decide
you are going to "get a plane and fly", and that moment when you climb in
your plane and fly away... I'm not worried that I don't fly as well as I will
someday. I was just having a blast flying...
PHOTOS:
FireFly.JPG... Over Pueo Field. Just above the plane you can see a line of white
posts ascending a ridge... They are a line of large wind chargers... they are
16/17 miles away. There are 25 of them and they supply the island with 10%
of our electric needs.
Launch Pad.JPG... White PVC for Acme Gravity Catapult can be seen on the ground.
Acme Gravity Catapult.JPG... Nuf said...
Henry
FireFly Five-Charlee-Bravo
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| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
OK, I'll play. This is a picture of the Owyhee Canyon in the Birch Creek Area.
Larry C
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Hey guys is the list down ?Or is everybody on vac.
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| Subject: | Re: Acme Gravity Catapult |
Henry,
I can feel your pain, not being one of the best landing guys around. Generally
no problem, but not pretty either. What I have found to be the best solution
to best landing (smoothest) and shortest landing is to fly a variation of the
GA pattern. A variation because you are not quite that high, but the rest is
the same. Try about 600 feet high with the spot that you want to touch down 45
degrees behind you, throttle back the power completely, establish your glide,
(50-60, whichever you use) make your turns holding that speed, ( If you are
landing uphill keep more speed) and let it sink to the field. If you find you
are too high or low, go around and adjust your pattern until you arrive at the
right spot. For some reason unknown to me, if I have to use power to get to where
I want, the landings are rougher, and the roll out is further. Keep your
eyes up the runway, not the spot that you are going to touch down, hard to do,
but worth it.
I would suggest that you do your practice at a more forgiving spot and develope
some time at practice before you do the other field. It doesn't sound all
that swell to me.
Larry C
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| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
If you can stand some shameless (but non-commercial) self-promotion,
then check out my latest Texas-Flyer story:
http://www.Texas-Flyer.com/morelocalflying
for lots of things see from a Kolb in the air... and then, if
compelled, you can go read all the stories:
http://www.Texas-Flyer.com
I have to admit... not anything nearly as cool as mountains and canyons, though!
-- Robert
Kolb MkIIIC w/ 912ULS
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| Subject: | Re: Acme Gravity Catapult |
Henry, A man who knows how to grease the skids of life is a class act.
Taking a case to the super's office, Bravo.
I've only been to Maui once and I made sure I drove up Haleakala. The bad
part was that it was the day after Hurricane Iwa and the local hang glider
outfit wouldn't go up or rent me a glider to go without them. That was 25
years ago this November. Time flies. Fly safe.
Rick
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On 8/29/07, henry.voris <henry_voris@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> "... mountain flying and flight over open water usually are beyond the
> scope of private pilot training." (Jeppesen) In Hawaii if you're not over
> the open ocean or mountains... You're still on the runway. Some of us don't
> get that.
>
> Pueo Field has been carved out of a sloping forest 2,700 ft. up
> the side of Haleakala (10,000 ft.). It uses the "Air America" lay out...
> take-off downhill (runway 29), land uphill (runway 11). I've paced out 350
> ft. of lumpy hillside runway, 50ft. wide at the bottom down to 30 ft. at the
> top. The trees that surround it are about 40 ft tall, but no worries, this
> is Maui... so come the rainy season and with a little fertilizer and we'll
> have 'em up to the regulation "50 foot obstacle at end of runway" faster
> than you can spell FAA...
>
> I rolled Five-Charlee-Bravo to the "launch-pad" at the top of the
> runway. And found the slope was too steep for the brakes to hold the plane.
> If I can't park, I sure can't run her up and warm up the engine.
>
> Shortly, there arrived a package from The Acme Gravity Catapult
> Co. (Beware of coyotes bearing gifts...). First, I dug out shallow pits for
> the main gear. This stopped the plane from rolling with the engine off...
> Next I drove a fence post three feet aft of the rudder. Hooking a blue nylon
> strap to the post, I looped the other end of the strap through a carabineer
> hooked to the tail wheel and jammed the loop with a large metal pin. Next, I
> tied a white nylon line to the pin, then ran the line back to the fence
> post, around a pulley, and then forward to the cockpit via a piece of PVC
> pipe nailed to the ground. (Thank-you Mr.Goldberg)
>
> On the third pull the mighty 447 roared to life, I strapped on the
> plane and ran my checks... When I was ready to launch, I yanked the line to
> activate the catapult... nothing (#@$%*$#&*&#%). Second yank, the pin
> slipped the loop and we trundled downhill. As we passed between two avocado
> trees I pour on the fuel, pull the stick back to the stops and on the second
> bounce we leapt into the sky. Shortest fixed wing take off for me, ever.
> (100 Ft.)
>
> PLEASE BE NOTIFIED... THERE ARE NO MORE REFRENCES TO THE ACME GRAVITY
> CATAPULT... JUST A LONG WINDED DISCRIPTION OF A SHORT FLIGHT... IF I WERE
> YOU, I'D SKIP IT & GO DIRECT TO THE PHOTOS.
>
> We climb, turn 180 to fly uphill, then turn back down to make a
> low pass over the field for the benefit of my adoring fans...
>
> About a mile below Pueo Field I see a long section of dirt road
> leading from a quarry at the bottom of the Hawaiian Home Lands. We make two
> low passes and note it as an emergency field.
>
> We continue down to Puu Kale (1,400 ft.) a broad red cinder cone
> jutting from the side of the mountain. We fly down next to the lip and start
> around, keeping it a couple of hundred feet off our right wing. Three
> quarters of the way around and we have come around to the north side of the
> cone. And are facing the summit of the mountain again. The tree tops start
> to rise to meet us, I give her some power to climb and continue around the
> cone.(By now it was after 09:00... the sun has been roasting the top of the
> mountain, heating the air close to the surface. As the heated air moves up
> and away, air from the ocean and lowlands rushes uphill to fill the void.
> Above my head, at 7,000 clouds were forming as the rising airmass cooled.) I
> feel the plane being yanked upward. The cinder cone is still abeam, but it's
> getting smaller... I am unable to stay close to it, as we're being swept
> uphill, past it. The VSI is pointing straight up and looking worried...
> (Several factor were at wo!
> rk here, first I was climbing to avoid the rising mountain... Second, the
> uphill moving airmass was being accelerated as curved around the flank the
> cinder cone.) As we reached the uphill side of the cone we steepened the
> bank, continuing to climb we turned 270 to fly back to Pueo Field.
>
> We had found the UP escalator and it was fun... I worry about
> stumbling onto the DOWN escalator...
>
> I should explain that I am an extremely short time pilot. I last
> flew nine months ago, in Arizona. This is the first flight for my plane in
> Hawaii. This is the first time Pueo Field has been used for something other
> than Pueos hunting mice and growing avocados. The field is in a hole in the
> trees and maybe 350 ft. long, so to land... Ya gotta be right on the
> numbers...
>
> The first two attempts are too low... so low that the view of the
> runway disappears behind the trees. I give her fuel to keep us outta the
> tree tops. The runway reappears just before we are over it. But now we're
> too fast and not properly lined up. Full throttle and we go around. On the
> third pass we approach high enough to see the field and line up. But I am
> unable to properly control my descent speed and we pick up too much speed to
> stuff it into the short field.
>
> Full power again, as we climb out I can see the neighbors are
> starting to cover their pot plants... A little further down, I notice some
> guys hauling out an old airplane decoy from the cargo cult days... Three
> passes and it's a cute little yellow airplane, after that we become a
> nuisance... We leave the area, towards the south west.
>
> To the north, alternate field #1 (abandoned cropdusters field in
> the sugarcane) is under a dark rain squall sweeping in from the north shore.
> To the south, at alternate field #2 (drag strip using a remnant of a runway
> from the WWII Puu Nene NAS) the wind is kicking up huge red dust devils. But
> directly below is that quarry road.
>
> We drop down and make another pass... It all looks good. We fly
> out, turn 180 and line up on the road. The landing is average, not a thing
> of great beauty, but no damage... Rolling out I see the road continues
> uphill a half a mile. I give her some more fuel and we drive up the hill.
> The road ends at a T intersection that forms a ledge on the side of the
> slope. I shut off the engine. My cell phone is ringing...
>
> The site super gave me a ride up to the highway. There I met my
> pals, who came with my truck and trailer. We packed her up and hauled her
> back to Pueo Field. I returned with a case of beer and dropped it at the
> super's office.
>
> I know I gotta practice every aspect of airmanship... To land at
> Pueo Field I have to find some where to run some touch-n-goes, and get
> better control of my descent speeds... Any advice on short field, uphill, in
> the trees landings would be appreciated...
>
> Everyone on this list knows... It can be a long time between that
> moment you decide you are going to "get a plane and fly", and that moment
> when you climb in your plane and fly away... I'm not worried that I don't
> fly as well as I will someday. I was just having a blast flying...
>
> PHOTOS:
>
> FireFly.JPG... Over Pueo Field. Just above the plane you can see a line of
> white posts ascending a ridge... They are a line of large wind
> chargers... they are 16/17 miles away. There are 25 of them and they supply
> the island with 10% of our electric needs.
>
> Launch Pad.JPG... White PVC for Acme Gravity Catapult can be seen on the
> ground.
>
> Acme Gravity Catapult.JPG... Nuf said...
>
>
> Henry
> FireFly Five-Charlee-Bravo
>
> --------
> Henry
> Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
>
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| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
What better to see than a Kolb....
..... with the SW FL coast, Tampa Bay and St. Pete for a background and just up
the coast, a little of Mother Nature.
jb92563 wrote:
> This is a great idea for a thread, everyone must have something to contribute:
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| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
>> This is a great idea for a thread, everyone must have something to
contribute:
> George Alexander
Hi Gang:
Here is a herd of caribou trying to escape the mosquitoes and black flies
between Deadhorse and Barter Island, Alaska, 2004.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Need Kolb M3X information please. |
Gary, Two cylinders next to each other are easier to cool as even without
baffling airflow gets to three sides of each cylinder. Put in that middle
cylinder and airflow only gets to the top and bottom of it. Add to that its
heat is now transferred to the two end cylinders, hence the need for
baffling.
I've asked the guys at the Jab booths I've visited at Arlington and Lakeland
why they don't offer the engines in A) a bead blasted dull aluminum finish
for more surface area to better remove heat, B) a flat black finish, or C) a
bead blasted flat black finish. They have no answer, even though the VW guys
have been using those three options to improve cooling for at least 40
years. NIH attitude I guess.
Rick
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On 8/28/07, gary aman <gaman@att.net> wrote:
>
> the 2200 cools nicely on my mk-3.Will the mk-3 mount system handle 120Hp?
>
> *Richard Girard <jindoguy@gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> Lucien et al, From the experience of the rash of S-LSA Cub builders the
> problem with the Jab 3300 is that it takes very careful design of engine
> baffling to get it to cool acceptably. I believe it was Cub Crafters that
> wanted to run the 3300 with eyebrow baffles to make it better resemble the
> classic J-3. Could not get it to cool and in the end had to put it inside a
> full cowling. This on a tractor airplane with the big fan out front pushing
> air over the cylinders. Might be really tough to get it to cool in a pusher
> configuration like the Kolb.
>
> Rick
>
> On 8/27/07, lucien <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > promod69camaro wrote:
> > > Hi Lucien,
> > > It seem that I run across you on every list I subscribe to. And you
> > own or have owned at least two planes that I am interested in. I always
> > look forward to your responses. They are well thought out and usually just
> > the information the poster is looking for.
> > > I am going up in a M3X next week to see what I think. I need to keep
> > in mind that even on a 150 mile trip, a 20 or 30 mph speed difference
> > doesn't make much difference in terms of arrival time. But it would be nice
> > to have it all in one package.
> > > I bid on and won a never before used Jabiru 3300 yesterday that was on
> > ebay. I have not heard back from the seller yet. I hope its not a scam and
> > I will need to be careful. I think this engine would be great on a M3X or
a
> > Titan S or SS. For that matter, it would also make a slick moving
> > Sonex. In tail dragger configuration, they are remarkably flexable.
> > > Shawn
> >
> >
> > The 3300 is supposed to work very well on the tornado, though I don't
> > know about the Kolb. The 912 and 912s sound like the motors of choice on the
> > large 2-place kolbs, mostly likely because of the ability to swing the
> > larger props, preferred on slower planes designed more for STOL.
> >
> > I've attached a couple photos of my two planes, two of the finest light
> > a/c types you can get, IMO - the titan for go-fast, zip around,
> > high-performance mission, and the Kolb for the magic-carpet ride mission.
> >
> > Truth is, I can't identify any particular reason why I like the Kolb
> > design so much. It's probably the construction, the folding wings and the
> > fact that it's tailwheel. The entire airframe uses traditional aviation
> > construction, nothing junky or screwball on the entire plane. The covering
> > used is the Stitts process which pretty much lasts forever and there are
> > very few wear points on the plane.
> >
> > Personally, if I were going with a big Kolb, I'd do the Kolbra, mainly
> > because of the tandem seating and what appears to be a little less wing area
> > (so it might be less affected by the wind). It looks like the view is a
> > little better in the Kolbra from the front seat. But I still have yet to fly
> > in either of the big Kolbs, so I can't really make an informed judgement
> > there....
> >
> >
> > LS
> >
> > --------
> > LS
> > FS II
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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>
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Rick Girard
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when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Acme Gravity Catapult |
Larry,
Thanks for the good advice... I'll follow it and review it before I fly again.
A GA type of approach worked very well for me when I picked up the plane in
Arizona. Of course 4,300 ft of paved runway in a flat desert made the whole business
of landing a lot less stressful.
BTW Great photo of the Owyhee Canyon...
Rick,
I figured they had the beer coming... Dropping in on people outta the blue invites
people to embarrass them selves with rude behavior... But these guys were
cool about it.
The beer was such a hit I'm gonna carry a case of cold ones next time I fly,
so no matter where I come down I can start handing 'em out...
Henry
FireFly Five-Charlee-Bravo
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