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1. 02:52 AM - Re: Ready for the Kolb Homecoming in a month. (John Bickham)
2. 03:45 AM - New guy with questions (SFTester2)
3. 03:57 AM - Re: Acme Gravity Catapult (Thom Riddle)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: 912 Mandatory Service Bulletin (John Hauck)
5. 06:12 AM - Re: 912 Mandatory Service Bulletin (Richard Girard)
6. 06:32 AM - Re: 912 Mandatory Service Bulletin (John Hauck)
7. 06:45 AM - I Miss Flying In Alaska (John Hauck)
8. 06:47 AM - More Alaska 2004 (John Hauck)
9. 06:58 AM - No Roads Up Here (John Hauck)
10. 07:06 AM - One more (John Hauck)
11. 07:08 AM - Re: New guy with questions (Richard Girard)
12. 07:31 AM - Re: One more (Larry Bourne)
13. 07:55 AM - Re: One more (Russ Kinne)
14. 09:39 AM - Re: New guy with questions (SFTester2)
15. 11:22 AM - Re: New guy with questions (Richard Girard)
16. 12:55 PM - Re: Acme Gravity Catapult (henry.voris)
17. 02:23 PM - Re: New guy with questions (SFTester2)
18. 03:05 PM - Re: New guy with questions (Richard Girard)
19. 03:10 PM - Re: New guy with questions (N27SB@aol.com)
20. 07:51 PM - Re: New guy with questions (lucien)
21. 09:24 PM - Re: Re: New guy with questions (Richard Girard)
22. 09:58 PM - Getting through ELSA (The BaronVonEvil)
23. 11:01 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
24. 11:02 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
25. 11:27 PM - Kolb Mark III Classic (APilot@webtv.net)
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| Subject: | Re: Ready for the Kolb Homecoming in a month. |
Steve B,
If weather allows, should be there Thursday mid-day.
Count me in.
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Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C
"Using my Repairman Certificate"
St. Francisville, LA
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| Subject: | New guy with questions |
I've been looking at various ultralight-like flying things lately, and the
various Kolbs are looking more than a little interesting, but before I spend
all my beer money on something I figure it's best to do a bit of research. I
haven't found anything locally (just north of Houston), but there's a
Firestar KXP and Twinstar MkII close enough to both my location and price
range that I could fly them home in a couple of days. They seem to have just
about everything I want, pusher, tailwheel, and easily folded wings, but the
question is whether I'll fit in 'em. I'm 6'4" and 265 pounds. Is it possible
to cram me into a Kolb and still get off the ground?
And is there anyone in/around Houston with a Firestar (preferably a KXP) or
a Twinstar MkII that would be willing to show me their plane and answer a
half million questions?
--
Steve
"If you're normal the crowd will accept you, but if you're deranged the
crowd will make you their leader." -Titus
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| Subject: | Re: Acme Gravity Catapult |
Speaking of hilly runways...
I don't recall where I got this photo but it worth a quick look. Not certain where
this was taken but believe I remember it might have been somewhere in Paupau
New Guinea.
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Thom in Buffalo
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Mandatory Service Bulletin |
Rick:
That url is for certified engines. The one below it,
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=jhauck&DOCID=
SB-912-055UL&S_TYPE=NW is for UL engines.
Sounds like someone didn't tighten the oil filters correctly.
john h
mkIII
Got a notice of this from the Rotax owners site a few minutes ago.
Notice it effects a very narrow range of engine serial numbers and
manufacturing dates.
http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/serviceb/SB-912-055.pdf
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Mandatory Service Bulletin |
I still like K & N oil filters for that nice lug on the bottom with the
safety wire holes, John.;-)
Rick
On 9/1/07, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Rick:
>
> That url is for certified engines. The one below it,
>
> http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/getdoc.asp?USERID=jhauck&DOCID=SB-912-055UL&S_TYPE=NW
> is for UL engines.
>
> Sounds like someone didn't tighten the oil filters correctly.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
> Got a notice of this from the Rotax owners site a few minutes ago. Notice
> it effects a very narrow range of engine serial numbers and manufacturing
> dates.
>
> http://www.rotax-owner.com/si_tb_info/serviceb/SB-912-055.pdf
>
> Rick
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: 912 Mandatory Service Bulletin |
Rick:
I have a lot more trouble getting them off than making sure they stay
on. The Fram TG3614 sticks like glue. 3/4 turn tight and it takes an
oil filter wrench with some effort to break it loose. Pain in the butt
when changing oil on long cross country flights. Usually end up driving
a screw driver through the filter to break it loose. I know, I could
take the oil filter wrench with me, but that is just one more thing to
pack and fly with.
john h
mkIII
I still like K & N oil filters for that nice lug on the bottom with the
safety wire holes, John.;-)
Rick
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| Subject: | I Miss Flying In Alaska |
Morning Gang:
Three years ago was the last time Miss P'fer (pronounced peefer (P fer
plane) and I were scooting through the skies of Northern Canada and Alaska.
Was going through some old photos and suddenly realized I missed being up
there this summer. Here is one taken at the Valdez Airport, 1994, just
prior to takeoff for McCarthy and Kennecott.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | More Alaska 2004 |
Hi Gang:
Previous should have said 2004, not 1994. But what is 10 years now days.
This photo is long final over the town of Valdez. Look out in the distance,
upper left of the photo, you can see the asphalt runway.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | No Roads Up Here |
Hi Gang:
No roads up here, between Valdez and McCarthy, AK.
Felt marginally comfortable doing this with the mkIII and 912ULS. Would not
have considered it with any other power plant on my airplane.
With approximately (don't feel like digging out the log book to get the
exact numbers) 2,500 hours in front of a 912UL and two 912ULS's, I have
never had one shut down on me except two occassions of contaminated fuel in
the 912UL back in 1994 and 1998. That was strictly pilot error, not the
912UL.
john h
mkIII
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Hi Gang:
One more. Found this one as I was closing up the files. The Wrangle-St
Elias Range north of Kennecott Copper Mine, Alaska. There is nothing but
ice, gravel, water, and extremely rough terrain under the airplane from the
airstrip at McCarthy to the mountains in the foreground, and back to the
airstrip. Not a hay field in sight. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
Steve, I'm not quite as heavy at 225 in summer flying gear, and 6'1" so I
can't advise you on how well you'll fit except to say that I'm quite comfy
in my MkIII and I think you'd be okay in it.
What I will advise you is to make sure any aircraft you consider, that does
not qualify as an ultralight, and neither of those you've mentioned does, is
registered and has an airworthiness certificate as an experimental light
sport aircraft (E-LSA). While there may still be time to get all the
paperwork done and the process done, the deadline of Jan. 31, 2008 is
approaching rapidly.
Here's some tips to get a better price on the aircraft if you decide to buy
an unregistered, illegal aircraft.
Pick out an "N" number and order it online from FAA.gov, today.
Get the EAA or Rainbow Aviation Services registration kit immediately and
mail off form 8050-88A and 8050 -1 to the FAA as soon as humanly possible.
Don't forget to have 8050-88A notarized.
There's no law that says you can't do this before you buy the aircraft.
Now you have a hammer to beat the owner's price down. Don't tell him/her
that you've started the registration process, just remind the owner that
their aircraft is going to be either a pile of parts, or a really cool lawn
ornament after 1-31-2008 and you're taking a real chance (and you are)
buying their aircraft.
If you can't get the FAA to come out and do the paperwork, and the chances
of that in your area are slim and nil, a designated airworthiness
representative (DAR) is going to charge you $300 to $500 for those papers.
If your DAR demands a current conditional inspection, and some are as a CYA
move, add another $300 to $500 for that service. Then there's all the work
to have your aircraft legal, Weight and Balance, $75 to $100, if you can't
do that yourself. Placarding and instrument marking, the DEA tag, and the
rest. All of which will cost you time and/or money.
Deduct all of the above from the asking price plus any bargaining money and
keep reminding the owner about the drop dead date for getting it registered.
DO NOT let anyone tell you you can just register it as experimental-amateur
built (E-AB) if you miss the date. A look at form 8050-88 will immediately
reveal why YOU CAN'T.
Rick
On 9/1/07, SFTester2 <sftester2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I've been looking at various ultralight-like flying things lately, and the
> various Kolbs are looking more than a little interesting, but before I
> spend
> all my beer money on something I figure it's best to do a bit of research.
> I
> haven't found anything locally (just north of Houston), but there's a
> Firestar KXP and Twinstar MkII close enough to both my location and price
> range that I could fly them home in a couple of days. They seem to have
> just
> about everything I want, pusher, tailwheel, and easily folded wings, but
> the
> question is whether I'll fit in 'em. I'm 6'4" and 265 pounds. Is it
> possible
> to cram me into a Kolb and still get off the ground?
>
> And is there anyone in/around Houston with a Firestar (preferably a KXP)
> or
> a Twinstar MkII that would be willing to show me their plane and answer a
> half million questions?
> --
> Steve
> "If you're normal the crowd will accept you, but if you're deranged the
> crowd will make you their leader." -Titus
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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THESE CAME THRU BLANK!
On Sep 1, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Larry Bourne wrote:
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>
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| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
Richard Girard wrote:
> Steve, I'm not quite as heavy at 225 in summer flying gear, and 6'1"
> so I can't advise you on how well you'll fit except to say that I'm
> quite comfy in my MkIII and I think you'd be okay in it.
That's what I'm thinking. I figure that if I can fit in a 150 for more than
a few hours in a row, a Kolb should be spacious.
> Pick out an "N" number and order it online from FAA.gov, today.
I think I still have N205FT reserved, can't remember if I renewed it. I
reserved it when I bought a set of KR-1 plans a couple of years ago.
> Get the EAA or Rainbow Aviation Services registration kit immediately
> and mail off form 8050-88A and 8050 -1 to the FAA as soon as humanly
> possible. Don't forget to have 8050-88A notarized.
> There's no law that says you can't do this before you buy the
> aircraft.
> Now you have a hammer to beat the owner's price down. Don't tell
> him/her that you've started the registration process, just remind the
> owner that their aircraft is going to be either a pile of parts, or a
> really cool lawn ornament after 1-31-2008 and you're taking a real
> chance (and you are) buying their aircraft.
> If you can't get the FAA to come out and do the paperwork, and the
> chances of that in your area are slim and nil, a designated
> airworthiness representative (DAR) is going to charge you $300 to
> $500 for those papers. If your DAR demands a current conditional
> inspection, and some are as a CYA move, add another $300 to $500 for
> that service. Then there's all the work to have your aircraft legal,
Yeah, with all the homebuilders around here and the (usually fortunate) lack
of polyester on the ramps, I had planned on needing a DAR. I desperately
need to find and make friends with the local EAA guys, and not just for this
project.
> Weight and Balance, $75 to $100, if you can't do that yourself.
Fortunately W/B is easy. Annoying, but not tough. Hardest part is getting
the race shop to let me borrow their scales for a few hours, though they may
think it's worth it to have an airplane in their parking lot ;)
> Placarding and instrument marking, the DEA tag, and the rest. All of
> which will cost you time and/or money.
> Deduct all of the above from the asking price plus any bargaining
> money and keep reminding the owner about the drop dead date for
> getting it registered. DO NOT let anyone tell you you can just
> register it as experimental-amateur built (E-AB) if you miss the
> date. A look at form 8050-88 will immediately reveal why YOU CAN'T.
I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it is that says you can't
register it as EXAB. The only difference between a fat UL and a kitplane is
that it's been flown (illegally) before it's registered. What's really
interesting is that the first choice is:
"More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from miscellaneous
parts and I am the owner."
It doesn't mention where those parts came from or who put them together,
just that they're parts and who owns them and the pile they were thrown in.
So find one item on the 51% checklist, complete it, and call it an EXAB,
apply for the repairman's cert, and fly off the 40 hours. Not arguing, just
stating how I understood the process, and hoping someone can point out the
flaw in my logic. Also, if it's already been registered, couldn't one just
unbuild 51% of it, by the checklist, rebuild it (documenting all steps), and
register it as newly built? The 40 hrs would have to be flown off again, but
it would be new by the FAAs rules.
--
Steve
"If you're normal the crowd will accept you, but if you're deranged the
crowd will make you their leader." -Titus
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| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
Steve, The answer is on form 8050-88, the form for E-AB. It requires a
receipt from the kit manufacturer or a pile of receipts from aircraft
vendors. How are you going to get those? A receipt from the builder won't do
as it makes it plain to anyone with two neurons to rub together that you are
not the builder. One or two receipts from Aircraft Spruce and Wick's won't
cut it either since they won't add up to an airplane.
Then there's the builder's log. How are you going to put that together?
Last, a used airplane looks used, not your freshly built pride and joy still
out gassing the aroma of resins, glues and PolyFiber.
You might be able to find a willing DAR to fake all of the above, or ignore
the lack, but that's a mighty big might with an awful lot of money in the
balance.
Last there's that little bugaboo of both of you committing perjury at the
federal level. How much will a DAR charge to risk loosing all his
certificates permanently.
Personally, I recommend leaving perjury to the pros, like Attorney's
General. ;-)
Rick
On 9/1/07, SFTester2 <sftester2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Richard Girard wrote:
> > Steve, I'm not quite as heavy at 225 in summer flying gear, and 6'1"
> > so I can't advise you on how well you'll fit except to say that I'm
> > quite comfy in my MkIII and I think you'd be okay in it.
>
> That's what I'm thinking. I figure that if I can fit in a 150 for more
> than
> a few hours in a row, a Kolb should be spacious.
>
> > Pick out an "N" number and order it online from FAA.gov, today.
>
> I think I still have N205FT reserved, can't remember if I renewed it. I
> reserved it when I bought a set of KR-1 plans a couple of years ago.
>
> > Get the EAA or Rainbow Aviation Services registration kit immediately
> > and mail off form 8050-88A and 8050 -1 to the FAA as soon as humanly
> > possible. Don't forget to have 8050-88A notarized.
> > There's no law that says you can't do this before you buy the
> > aircraft.
> > Now you have a hammer to beat the owner's price down. Don't tell
> > him/her that you've started the registration process, just remind the
> > owner that their aircraft is going to be either a pile of parts, or a
> > really cool lawn ornament after 1-31-2008 and you're taking a real
> > chance (and you are) buying their aircraft.
> > If you can't get the FAA to come out and do the paperwork, and the
> > chances of that in your area are slim and nil, a designated
> > airworthiness representative (DAR) is going to charge you $300 to
> > $500 for those papers. If your DAR demands a current conditional
> > inspection, and some are as a CYA move, add another $300 to $500 for
> > that service. Then there's all the work to have your aircraft legal,
>
> Yeah, with all the homebuilders around here and the (usually fortunate)
> lack
> of polyester on the ramps, I had planned on needing a DAR. I desperately
> need to find and make friends with the local EAA guys, and not just for
> this
> project.
>
> > Weight and Balance, $75 to $100, if you can't do that yourself.
>
> Fortunately W/B is easy. Annoying, but not tough. Hardest part is getting
> the race shop to let me borrow their scales for a few hours, though they
> may
> think it's worth it to have an airplane in their parking lot ;)
>
> > Placarding and instrument marking, the DEA tag, and the rest. All of
> > which will cost you time and/or money.
> > Deduct all of the above from the asking price plus any bargaining
> > money and keep reminding the owner about the drop dead date for
> > getting it registered. DO NOT let anyone tell you you can just
> > register it as experimental-amateur built (E-AB) if you miss the
> > date. A look at form 8050-88 will immediately reveal why YOU CAN'T.
>
> I'm still trying to figure out exactly what it is that says you can't
> register it as EXAB. The only difference between a fat UL and a kitplane
> is
> that it's been flown (illegally) before it's registered. What's really
> interesting is that the first choice is:
>
> "More than 50% of the above-described aircraft was built from
> miscellaneous
> parts and I am the owner."
>
> It doesn't mention where those parts came from or who put them together,
> just that they're parts and who owns them and the pile they were thrown
> in.
> So find one item on the 51% checklist, complete it, and call it an EXAB,
> apply for the repairman's cert, and fly off the 40 hours. Not arguing,
> just
> stating how I understood the process, and hoping someone can point out the
> flaw in my logic. Also, if it's already been registered, couldn't one just
> unbuild 51% of it, by the checklist, rebuild it (documenting all steps),
> and
> register it as newly built? The 40 hrs would have to be flown off again,
> but
> it would be new by the FAAs rules.
> --
> Steve
> "If you're normal the crowd will accept you, but if you're deranged the
> crowd will make you their leader." -Titus
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: Acme Gravity Catapult |
Possum
Thanks for the Video...
Your river flying video has been an inspiration for me.
Dave B.
I'm trying to get the keys to the drag strip (old Puu NeNe NAS)... I have cane
roads and other places worked out for "emergency" landings. But you can get away
with that only a few times... And what I need is a place where I can legally
run touch-n-goes. More and more of the cane roads have gates now...
And to paraphrase something wise I read on this list... I should have second thoughts
about landing somewhere I'm not prepared to stay.
For me to use a real airfield means I have to trailer her to Hana. More than just
a day trip... And as you know, generally we only get a few hours of flying
time each day...
The plan for now is to fly out of Pueo Field... Go somewhere and practice approaches
and landings. Come back to Pueo and give it three attempts before radioing
my pals and telling them where to pick me up. (They tell me to paint a red
sun on the wing of the yellow plane that flies away but doesn't come back...)
When I saw your video I was jealous of your treeless expanse of grassland...
David
Bush piloting in PNG... WOW... I mean it. In the '70s my family lived in Kalimantan...
We had our fair share of inhospitable real estate covered with jungle
and the not infrequent band of blowgun toting, "reformed" from headhunting, penis
gourd guys. But they all considered PNG to be a rough neighborhood.
You pegged my problem with the low approach. Yup perception is a problem when the
entire landscape is rising as you approach it... I'm sure the Space Shuttle
approach is the way to go. Thanks for the great advice...
Larry,
You said, "...looking at the ground with your direct straight on vision will not
give you the depth perception that using your peripheral vision will. You will
most always flare too soon and then things will get a lot more exciting quickly."
Sounds like one of my landings... I'll take the hint.
Also you are right on about the importance of flying a tight pattern, rather than
just flying around and trying to land... I think the 600 ft. AGL approach should
give me the space shuttle view. I used 400 ft. in Arizona and always needed
more fuel to make the field.
John H.,
I take your point about Kolbs flying different from aircraft with some mass...
Luckily I'm such a short time pilot that most of my bad habits have been developed
in the FireFly...
You're right, I gotta fine a good place to practice, and set it up with marks on
the ground so I really know the distances involved...
Great photos... Great long distance flying... Thanks for sharing...
Richard,
Thanks for the advice on fuel at touchdown... I have enough trouble with "extra-firm"
arrivals...
Thom,
Thanks for the photo... That field is a bit steeper than mine... But I do like
the "ski jump" feature. I'm going to start putting one in Pueo Field today.
George,
Thanks for the photo.
BTW... Your pages on Kolb Trailers was a great help when I had my trailer built...
Thanks.
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Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
Richard Girard wrote:
> Steve, The answer is on form 8050-88, the form for E-AB. It requires a
> receipt from the kit manufacturer or a pile of receipts from aircraft
> vendors. How are you going to get those? A receipt from the builder
> won't do as it makes it plain to anyone with two neurons to rub
> together that you are not the builder. One or two receipts from
> Aircraft Spruce and Wick's won't cut it either since they won't add
> up to an airplane.
> Then there's the builder's log. How are you going to put that
> together? Last, a used airplane looks used, not your freshly built
> pride and joy still out gassing the aroma of resins, glues and
> PolyFiber.
> You might be able to find a willing DAR to fake all of the above, or
> ignore the lack, but that's a mighty big might with an awful lot of
> money in the balance.
> Last there's that little bugaboo of both of you committing perjury at
> the federal level. How much will a DAR charge to risk loosing all his
> certificates permanently.
> Personally, I recommend leaving perjury to the pros, like Attorney's
> General. ;-)
I hate beaurocracy.
What's irritating me is that they aren't making this information easy, or
even difficult, to find. It's bloody near impossible. And if you go by
what's on the forms you're apparently not doing it right. 8050-88
specifically says that you certify that the airplane was built from less
than half preassembled parts, and that you own it. Nowhere does it say
anything about having built it.
I think I'm about to chuck it all and find a new hobby.
--
Steve
"If you're normal the crowd will accept you, but if you're deranged the
crowd will make you their leader." -Titus
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| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
Steve, Go to FAR 21.191h and 21.191i (1-3) That spells out the difference
between E-AB, E-LSA and S-LSA, at least as far as the registration process.
As far as the info being hard to find, the EAA packet or the Rainbow
Aviation Services makes the LSA registration process easily understandable.
To me it's a half full, half empty argument. Part 103 and ultralights were a
gift, a darn nice gift at that. People cheated until the issue was forced
and instead of repealing, The FAA gave us another gift, Light Sport
Aircraft, a truly spectacular gift. A whole new starting point for climbing
up the ladder of ratings and a whole new range of affordable aircraft.
I certainly didn't mean to put you off, just try to keep you from getting
taken by an unscrupulous aircraft seller and a way to negotiate a better
price on a yet to be registered aircraft.
If that's all it takes to frustrate you and make you want to quit, then
perhaps it's for the best.
Rick
On 9/1/07, SFTester2 <sftester2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Richard Girard wrote:
> > Steve, The answer is on form 8050-88, the form for E-AB. It requires a
> > receipt from the kit manufacturer or a pile of receipts from aircraft
> > vendors. How are you going to get those? A receipt from the builder
> > won't do as it makes it plain to anyone with two neurons to rub
> > together that you are not the builder. One or two receipts from
> > Aircraft Spruce and Wick's won't cut it either since they won't add
> > up to an airplane.
> > Then there's the builder's log. How are you going to put that
> > together? Last, a used airplane looks used, not your freshly built
> > pride and joy still out gassing the aroma of resins, glues and
> > PolyFiber.
> > You might be able to find a willing DAR to fake all of the above, or
> > ignore the lack, but that's a mighty big might with an awful lot of
> > money in the balance.
> > Last there's that little bugaboo of both of you committing perjury at
> > the federal level. How much will a DAR charge to risk loosing all his
> > certificates permanently.
> > Personally, I recommend leaving perjury to the pros, like Attorney's
> > General. ;-)
>
> I hate beaurocracy.
>
> What's irritating me is that they aren't making this information easy, or
> even difficult, to find. It's bloody near impossible. And if you go by
> what's on the forms you're apparently not doing it right. 8050-88
> specifically says that you certify that the airplane was built from less
> than half preassembled parts, and that you own it. Nowhere does it say
> anything about having built it.
>
> I think I'm about to chuck it all and find a new hobby.
> --
> Steve
> "If you're normal the crowd will accept you, but if you're deranged the
> crowd will make you their leader." -Titus
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
In a message dated 9/1/2007 5:24:33 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
sftester2@gmail.com writes:
I think I'm about to chuck it all and find a new hobby.
--
Steve, Don't give up, just join the Dark side, You know, The Ultralight
guys. We have very few restrictions and a lot of fun.
The Firefly is an amazing Aircraft.
Steve B
Firefly 007
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
jindoguy(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Steve, The answer is on form 8050-88, the form for E-AB. It requires a receipt
from the kit manufacturer or a pile of receipts from aircraft vendors. How are
you going to get those? A receipt from the builder won't do as it makes it
plain to anyone with two neurons to rub together that you are not the builder.
One or two receipts from Aircraft Spruce and Wick's won't cut it either since
they won't add up to an airplane.
> Then there's the builder's log. How are you going to put that together?
> Last, a used airplane looks used, not your freshly built pride and joy still
out gassing the aroma of resins, glues and PolyFiber.
> You might be able to find a willing DAR to fake all of the above, or ignore
the lack, but that's a mighty big might with an awful lot of money in the balance.
> Last there's that little bugaboo of both of you committing perjury at the federal
level. How much will a DAR charge to risk loosing all his certificates permanently.
> Personally, I recommend leaving perjury to the pros, like Attorney's General.
;-)
>
> Rick
>
Well remember, you don't have to show necessarily that _you_ were the builder to
get an Exp A/B AW certificate for the plane. As long as you can show 51% of
it was built by _an_ amateur for recreation/education you can get the AW cert.
Documentation that you built it is only required if you want the repairman's certificate
for it.
If it's a Kolb, the chances are vert very very good it was built from a pile of
parts or a kit, and practically as good that it was built by an amateur. A builder's
log for the plane would certainly be worth its weight in gold in this
respect for sure, so of course look for that being available for the plane if
you intend to buy it.
But Exp A/B still seems very doable for most unregistered fat-UL's from what I
can see, though the repairmans certificate might be a lot harder to obtain...
LS
It's
--------
LS
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
Lucien, You still don't address how you're going to make an old airplane
look freshly built. Good luck with that one.
Rick
On 9/1/07, lucien <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> jindoguy(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > Steve, The answer is on form 8050-88, the form for E-AB. It requires a
> receipt from the kit manufacturer or a pile of receipts from aircraft
> vendors. How are you going to get those? A receipt from the builder won't do
> as it makes it plain to anyone with two neurons to rub together that you are
> not the builder. One or two receipts from Aircraft Spruce and Wick's won't
> cut it either since they won't add up to an airplane.
> > Then there's the builder's log. How are you going to put that together?
> > Last, a used airplane looks used, not your freshly built pride and joy
> still out gassing the aroma of resins, glues and PolyFiber.
> > You might be able to find a willing DAR to fake all of the above, or
> ignore the lack, but that's a mighty big might with an awful lot of money in
> the balance.
> > Last there's that little bugaboo of both of you committing perjury at
> the federal level. How much will a DAR charge to risk loosing all his
> certificates permanently.
> > Personally, I recommend leaving perjury to the pros, like Attorney's
> General. ;-)
> >
> > Rick
> >
>
>
> Well remember, you don't have to show necessarily that _you_ were the
> builder to get an Exp A/B AW certificate for the plane. As long as you can
> show 51% of it was built by _an_ amateur for recreation/education you can
> get the AW cert.
>
> Documentation that you built it is only required if you want the
> repairman's certificate for it.
>
> If it's a Kolb, the chances are vert very very good it was built from a
> pile of parts or a kit, and practically as good that it was built by an
> amateur. A builder's log for the plane would certainly be worth its weight
> in gold in this respect for sure, so of course look for that being available
> for the plane if you intend to buy it.
>
> But Exp A/B still seems very doable for most unregistered fat-UL's from
> what I can see, though the repairmans certificate might be a lot harder to
> obtain...
>
> LS
>
>
> It's
>
> --------
> LS
> FS II
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132298#132298
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Getting through ELSA |
Hi All,
I am in the process of getting my FS II through the ELSA hoops. Has anyone else
completed the process yet ? I realize Arty Trost did her drifter recently but
, I was looking for more of a Kolb specific info and was wondering what your
inspectors were looking for during their inspections.
Unfortunately, the FAA is delegated this process to DAR's. This may may have its
good points but, I'm not real happy that I may have to pay for this service
that the FAA once did for free.
For me, I have two planes (I have a Drifter 447 as well) to get through the process.
So I take a hit twice, and depending upon the DAR, this can be in excess
of $1000.00 by the time it is all said and done, :-(
So I'm trying to gather information about the process so that I can get through
it the first time with hopefully very little difficulty.
Thank You for your Help
Carlos
AKA BaronVonEvil
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| Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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