Today's Message Index:
----------------------
1. 05:58 AM - Re: New guy with questions (lucien)
2. 07:45 AM - E-AB and the FAA (Richard Girard)
3. 08:49 AM - Re: E-AB and the FAA (Ralph B)
4. 09:16 AM - Re: E-AB and the FAA (Roger Lee)
5. 09:35 AM - Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
6. 10:05 AM - Re: Did It Again. (John Hauck)
7. 10:19 AM - Re: Re: Did It Again. (John Hauck)
8. 11:18 AM - Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE (John Hauck)
9. 11:50 AM - Re: Exchanging Airplanes (John Hauck)
10. 01:28 PM - Re: E-AB and the FAA (Richard Girard)
11. 01:39 PM - Re: Re: Did It Again. (Richard Girard)
12. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: New guy with questions (Dana Hague)
13. 03:04 PM - Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE (Dana Hague)
14. 04:31 PM - Re: New guy with questions (lucien)
15. 04:37 PM - Re: E-AB and the FAA (lucien)
16. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: E-AB and the FAA (David Key)
17. 06:31 PM - ELT Installation (ropermike)
18. 06:45 PM - Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE (Mark Vaughn)
19. 06:45 PM - Re: ELT Installation (John H Murphy)
20. 06:52 PM - Re: Exchanging Airplanes (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
21. 06:53 PM - Re: ELT Installation (Richard Pike)
22. 07:01 PM - Re: ELT Installation (Bob Noyer)
23. 07:13 PM - Re: Exchanging Airplanes (John Hauck)
24. 07:13 PM - Re: E-AB and the FAA (APilot@webtv.net)
25. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Did It Again. (APilot@webtv.net)
26. 07:23 PM - Re: Did It Again. (APilot@webtv.net)
27. 07:28 PM - Re: Exchanging Airplanes (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
28. 07:33 PM - Re: ELT Installation (ropermike)
29. 07:38 PM - Re: Did It Again. (John Hauck)
30. 07:56 PM - Re: Did It Again. (APilot@webtv.net)
31. 08:02 PM - Re: Did It Again. (herbgh@juno.com)
32. 09:01 PM - Re: E-AB and the FAA (lucien)
33. 09:03 PM - Re: ELT Installation (John H Murphy)
34. 09:49 PM - Re: ELT Installation (lcottrell)
35. 10:15 PM - Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE (JetPilot)
Message 1
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
jindoguy(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Bryan, We're not talking about taking over projects, that's done all the time.
We're talking about buying a used, previously flying, unregistered aircraft
and the buyer being allowed to get an E-AB certificate for it.
>
> Rick
>
Well I'll be interested to hear what your sources say about this, but I don't see
anything in the regs that special-case this, provided documentation exists
for it that it was originally amateur built.
My titan was flown the first few hours as a registered UL trainer under the exemptions,
but was later granted an Exp A/B AW cert. This was done by the original
owner, but I don't see why it couldn't have been done by someone else later
as long as the builders log and etc. changed hands in the sale.....
Anyway, this thread is probably dead now, so....
LS
--------
LS
FS II
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132645#132645
Message 2
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | E-AB and the FAA |
All, I called my local FSDO this morning and talked to them about the issue
that's been the hot topic here for the last few days.
"Can a buyer of a previously uncertificated, complete aircraft get it
certificated as Experimental Amateur Built (E-AB)?"
And the answer is.....NO. Big surprise.
To be absolutely sure, I also called the FAA Light Sport Branch in Oklahoma
City. (405)954-6400. I asked the same question,
"Can a buyer of a previously uncertificated, complete aircraft get it
certificated as E-AB?"
And the answer is.....NO. Big surprise, again.
And what was the source they quoted? FAR 21.191g and AC 20-27f.
So, for those who can't see why not. Here's why not.
THE FAA WON'T DO IT.
Now this thread is truly closed.
Rick
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
Message 3
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
The FAA says "no", but we all know that it's been done. My DAR told me to have
a builders log and photos to show him prior to the inspection. Well, he never
asked to look at them when it was inspected. I had to bring it up and show him.
There is a local guy who registered his Sky Ranger as E-AB and he bought the plane
built. The DAR gave him an airworthiness cert with no questions asked.
When I submitted my paperwork for my repairmans cert at the local FSDO, they FAA
never asked for my builders log or photos even though they asked me to bring
them along.
Ralph
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar
N91493 ExAB
20 years flying it
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132689#132689
Message 4
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
Just pull the wings, wheels, tail other parts and reassemble with some pics. When
it is assembled at a certain point it can qualify. Just say you rebuilt it.
Worked for me.
Kind of a pain, but it works and meets the rule for building.
--------
Roger Lee
Tucson, Az.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132697#132697
Message 5
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
<< El Mirage Dry lake California where I will be test flying my Kolb
soon.
... 5 miles of pavement flat salty runway ahead down there...perfect for
test flying or extended crow hops - Ray >>
Ray -
Although those salt flats appear landable, be careful about landing on
"dry" lake beds. Guess how I know?
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, NM
Message 6
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Did It Again. |
Impact was soft but I ended up with two bent landing
> gear legs.
>
> Jack B. Hart FF004
Jack B:
Sorry to hear about your incident.
Those soft impacts will bend Kolb gear legs every time.
Didn't say why your engine would not idle. Got the impression from your
post that engine stoppage at idle happened frequently. Got a fix for it?
john h
MKIII
Message 7
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Did It Again. |
> 2. Is it "legal" to land on a taxi way.....
>
> I don't understand why you couldn't enter the pattern ,
>
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
Mike:
My thoughts on your questions. Forgive me for commenting late. Been out of
town for a couple days.
Not legal to land on a taxiway unless it was a dire emergency.
Don't need a radio to enter traffic and land. However, an ultralight
vehicle has last priority in the chain. Everyone else has priorty over an
UL vehicle, legally. I think I could have probable found a way to get in
the pattern and land without landing on the taxiway.
john h
mkIII
Message 8
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE |
Why don't you guys go fly, build an airplane, or take a nap. You have
beat this thing to death.
john h
mkIII
DO NOT ARCHIVE
I am Mr. Narimba Baliushima. --
Rick Girard
Message 9
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Exchanging Airplanes |
Ellery:
Where do you plan to find enough room in an Xtra to stash you gear for a
long cross country?
john h
mkIII
Well I guess I will be parting with the Firestar soon to get into a
Mk3 Extra Kit I want something that has enough room to carry all the
things I would need for a long cross country
Ellery in MAINE
Message 10
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
John, et al, To those of you who wrote to say you did it or know someone who
did it and got away clean, all I can say is, sure. We all know it happens,
there is always someone who gets away with something, ask O.J.
My problem is encouraging someone to do that without suffering the
consequences should that person be the one who hits the stickler guy or the
thorough detail guy.
If we, as the responsible group we are, begin encouraging someone with
advice that is patently false, and that person suffers harm, are we the
responsible upright group we claim to be?
I know there are people who are part of this group who do loops in their
Kolbs, but when a fellow said he wanted to be able to that, he was told get
the Titan.
I know I caught it from some of you when I described my ham handed attempt
to check my ailerons for flutter after I put on the counter weights and
slipped well past the Mk III's VNE. I would never encourage anyone to do
that, and believe me, I'll never do it again, the pucker factor was just too
high. I'd feel darn stupid explaining why I had to deploy the BRS to the
other guys here on the strip. I'd feel darn dead if the BRS hadn't solved
the result of my own ineptitude.
Look at the response to Jack Hart's arrival. A few people took exception to
how he handled it, but most responded with a, "this is how I handled this
situation when it happened to me", story. I've been in Jack's situation, but
I learned something from the replies, and different ways of looking at it. I
especially appreciated Mike's response, coming from a former controller.
As for the IMPORTANT MESSAGE, I just couldn't resist. If I offended someone
with it, you'll have to take my word for it that I didn't mean to. It made
me laugh when I thought of it and I was hoping it would someone else, too.
Rick
On 9/4/07, Richard Girard <jindoguy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> All, I called my local FSDO this morning and talked to them about the
> issue that's been the hot topic here for the last few days.
> "Can a buyer of a previously uncertificated, complete aircraft get it
> certificated as Experimental Amateur Built (E-AB)?"
> And the answer is.....NO. Big surprise.
> To be absolutely sure, I also called the FAA Light Sport Branch in
> Oklahoma City. (405)954-6400. I asked the same question,
> "Can a buyer of a previously uncertificated, complete aircraft get it
> certificated as E-AB?"
> And the answer is.....NO. Big surprise, again.
> And what was the source they quoted? FAR 21.191g and AC 20-27f.
> So, for those who can't see why not. Here's why not.
> THE FAA WON'T DO IT.
> Now this thread is truly closed.
>
> Rick
>
>
> --
> Rick Girard
> "Ya'll drop on in"
> takes on a whole new meaning
> when you live at the airport.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
Message 11
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Did It Again. |
And then there are the four magic words, if you have a radio. That gets you
to the top of the food chain, post haste. Just be able to prove it
afterward, should you be asked.
Rick
On 9/4/07, John Hauck <jhauck@elmore.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> > 2. Is it "legal" to land on a taxi way.....
> >
> > I don't understand why you couldn't enter the pattern ,
> >
> > Mike & "Jaz" in MN
>
>
> Mike:
>
> My thoughts on your questions. Forgive me for commenting late. Been out
> of
> town for a couple days.
>
> Not legal to land on a taxiway unless it was a dire emergency.
>
> Don't need a radio to enter traffic and land. However, an ultralight
> vehicle has last priority in the chain. Everyone else has priorty over an
> UL vehicle, legally. I think I could have probable found a way to get in
> the pattern and land without landing on the taxiway.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
--
Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
Message 12
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
At 08:23 AM 9/3/2007, Richard Girard wrote:
>Can I pump out Cessna 150 clones and sell them to people ready to fly,
>without any kind of paperwork except a kit on how to license an E-AB? Why not?
Back when I was in college, a friend and I had a similar idea. The plan
was to build VariEzes five or ten at a time, form a flying club so the
members would fly the required test time off, then sell them and start a
new batch. Couldn't see any reason why it wouldn't be legal, but kids
often have impractical dreams. The friend graduated and I never heard from
him again.
-Dana
do not archive
--
--
Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat word for word
what you shouldn't have said.
Message 13
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE |
At 08:46 AM 9/3/2007, Richard Girard wrote:
>...we will send you a Mig and a kit on how to license it as an
>Experimental Amateur-Built aircraft...
When Darryl Greenmayer set the low level speed record in a F-104
Starfighter he built from surplus parts (since defense regulations
prohibited him from obtaining a complete airframe), I seem to recall
hearing that he registered it as E-AB.
-Dana
do not archive
--
--
Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat word for word
what you shouldn't have said.
Message 14
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: New guy with questions |
>
> We could spend all day dreaming up far fetched ideas to try and beat the system,
like talking heads on the noise trying to justify torturing detainees.
>
As you've no doubt already noticed, the FARs are pretty vague in a lot of areas
and frustratingly so.
But, this is actually deliberate to allow a certain amount of latitude in the interpretation
of the rules. If they specified absolutely everything, they'd be
far too restrictive.
Of course, then there's stuff like "...and anything else the Administrator may
deem appropriate" in lots of places which is, er, probably too much latitude...
>
> Say, isn't this how ultalights got fat, grew an extra seat and the LSA rules
came about?
>
Actually, the LSA rules came about for different reasons, but that's another thread
entirely...
do not archive
LS
--------
LS
FS II
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132782#132782
Message 15
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
jindoguy(at)gmail.com wrote:
> All, I called my local FSDO this morning and talked to them about the issue that's
been the hot topic here for the last few days.
> "Can a buyer of a previously uncertificated, complete aircraft get it certificated
as Experimental Amateur Built (E-AB)?"
> And the answer is.....NO. Big surprise.
> To be absolutely sure, I also called the FAA Light Sport Branch in Oklahoma City.
(405)954-6400. I asked the same question,
> "Can a buyer of a previously uncertificated, complete aircraft get it certificated
as E-AB?"
> And the answer is.....NO. Big surprise, again.
> And what was the source they quoted? FAR 21.191g and AC 20-27f.
> So, for those who can't see why not. Here's why not.
> THE FAA WON'T DO IT.
> Now this thread is truly closed.
>
You seem to have left out the most important part of the question
"... provided documentation exists that the plane was 51% built by an amateur solely
for his/her education or recreation"
Did you happen to specify this?
Of course they're going to (correctly) answer no to the question you posed....
But that's not the question pertinent to this thread......
--------
LS
FS II
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132783#132783
Message 16
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
The new Sport Aviation mag covers a little bit on this issue.
September 2007 page 10.
"His concern is that people aren't building their own airplanes but
certificicating them as though they had."
"The FAA officials are concerned about what it calls abuses of the 51%
rule."
"I can not acccept a policy that would support amateur-built aircraft
certification for airplanes that are not built by their owners"
I think this covers your case. They call it abuse.
>From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: E-AB and the FAA
>Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2007 16:36:54 -0700
>
>
>
>jindoguy(at)gmail.com wrote:
> > All, I called my local FSDO this morning and talked to them about the
>issue that's been the hot topic here for the last few days.
> > "Can a buyer of a previously uncertificated, complete aircraft get it
>certificated as Experimental Amateur Built (E-AB)?"
> > And the answer is.....NO. Big surprise.
> > To be absolutely sure, I also called the FAA Light Sport Branch in
>Oklahoma City. (405)954-6400. I asked the same question,
> > "Can a buyer of a previously uncertificated, complete aircraft get it
>certificated as E-AB?"
> > And the answer is.....NO. Big surprise, again.
> > And what was the source they quoted? FAR 21.191g and AC 20-27f.
> > So, for those who can't see why not. Here's why not.
> > THE FAA WON'T DO IT.
> > Now this thread is truly closed.
> >
>
>
>You seem to have left out the most important part of the question
>
>"... provided documentation exists that the plane was 51% built by an
>amateur solely for his/her education or recreation"
>
>Did you happen to specify this?
>
>Of course they're going to (correctly) answer no to the question you
>posed.... But that's not the question pertinent to this thread......
>
>--------
>LS
>FS II
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132783#132783
>
>
Message 17
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | ELT Installation |
Hello guys! Once again I come to draw upon your ultimate wisdom. I am getting my
Mkll ready for my E-LSA flightworthy inspection. I have ordered an AmeriKing
AK-450 ELT. Where is the best place to install it? Thanks in advance....Mike
--------
The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132802#132802
Message 18
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE |
Registerd it ( Experimental After Burner ) ? 8-)
When Darryl Greenmayer set the low level speed record in a F-104
Starfighter he built from surplus parts (since defense regulations
prohibited him from obtaining a complete airframe), I seem to recall
hearing that he registered it as E-AB.
-Dana
do not archive
--
--
Children seldom misquote you. In fact, they usually repeat word for
word
what you shouldn't have said.
________________________________________________________________________
Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! -
http://mail.aol.com
=0
Message 19
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
I have the same ELT. Need the same info. for my Firestar II. I understand the remote
is not an option - but a requirement. Not sure if I have enough real estate
on my dash.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132804#132804
Message 20
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Exchanging Airplanes |
Well there is enough room To cary more than in My Firestar the other seat is
a big plus for starters
Ellery
Do not archive
**************************************
all-new AOL at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Message 21
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
Here is a picture of the ELT location on the FSII. The remote switch is on the
side of the fuselage ahead of the throttle lever, can shoot you a picture tomorrow
if you want.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/FSII%20Hot%20Box.html
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132806#132806
Message 22
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
As a faa-ticketed mech, I have installed a bunch of ELTs in GAs, some
were AKs. The main point is to make certain the box is very securely
bolted/fastened to the airframe...Ty-raps are NG. The box has to
"feel" the sudden stop/crash to get a signal out of it. I bolted or
riveted the mount longitudinally to a primary structure. The panel
control can be mounted most anywhere. Until anyone gets over the leg-
bending, maybe they oughta switch to OFF on landing!
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
Message 23
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Exchanging Airplanes |
Ellery:
If you are going to build a new one, now is the time to determine how
you want to configure it for cross country flight.
Most everyone that builds a Kolb never considers fuel and cargo space
until after they get it flying. Then they get tired of flying around
the patch and want to venture out on cross country and extended cross
country flights. Now they want cargo room and fuel.
As far as the other seat is concerned, I don't particularly like putting
cargo in that area. I tried it once. Makes a much nicer flight desk to
carry flight essential "stuff".
I would not want less than 25 gal fuel and enough cargo space to stow
enough gear to keep me going for a long time.
Looking at the new Xtra, there is enough space for a toothbrush and a
couple MRE's.
The open area above and behind the bulk head is a perfect place for a 25
gal fuel tank. Utilizing this normally unused space opens up the lower
rear area for cargo. Individual seats that are hinged in the front
allow stowage of equipment behind and under the seats. I can get 6 to 8
MRW's and 35 sectionals in the nose of my old mkIII. The floorboard in
front of the passenger seat is also a good place to stow a large bag of
supplies, tools, and gear.
Take care,
john h
mkIII - 2,705.1 hours
912ULS -136.6 hours
Well there is enough room To cary more than in My Firestar the other
seat is a big plus for starters
Ellery
Message 24
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
You mentioned VNE. What is the Vne on a Kolb Mark III Classic?. I
accidently hit 100 mph before I understood my new winglets effect in a
power on slight dive. Lots of elevator back pressure required. I cut
the lower cuffs off of the winglets and the problem went away. But
still....how fast can you go before things start falling off, such as
the airlerons.
Message 25
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Did It Again. |
Not legal to land or takeoff from a taxi way? Tell that to the Navy and
Marines. They do not obey any laws except their own. A Marine
helicopter took off from a taxiway when I was landing at an airshow and
turned me and my ultralight upside down. I requested that they pay for
the damage of $1200 and they blew me off for the second time. What is
their famous saying?...."Kill them all and let God sort it out."
Message 26
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Did It Again. |
I just ordered enough Max-Gain "E" fiberglass 1.5" dia rods for 3 gear
legs. Will let you know if they do the job that the 7075-T6 legs do
not.
Message 27
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Exchanging Airplanes |
We are on the same page John H. When I rebuilt my firestar I had other
intentions in mind and accomplished them Now that I will be building the xtra I
know what I want in a long cross country plane Fuel is the biggest but a
Baggage compartment is another that I will be adding to the Xtra I am not
interested in having the ability to look behind me so that won't be a problem
there Cabin heat and some of the things I added to the firestar will still be
incorporated in to the Xtra
I cant wait to get started on it
Ellery In Maine
do not archive
**************************************
at http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
Message 28
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
Thanks for the help guys. What is this about a required remote switch? My DAR did
not mention this to me.....Thanks, Mike
--------
The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132819#132819
Message 29
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Did It Again. |
> I just ordered enough Max-Gain "E" fiberglass 1.5" dia rods for 3 gear
> legs. Will let you know if they do the job that the 7075-T6 legs do
> not.
Maybe you need to change pilot technique.
I still bend heat treated 4130 legs. Still trying to change my landing
technique. Don't bend'em unless I drop it in.
john h
mkIII
Message 30
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Did It Again. |
You are absolutely right. I should wheel land. Actually, I am not all
that critical of the aluminum legs because I know that they have saved
my fuselage several times. I have also appreciated my tension wires
between the axles. I snapped two of them recently and the gear leg
stayed straight. Lets hope that my experiment with the fiberglass will
solve all the problems. The danger is: If one should break....there
goes a wing. I plan to over sleeve the lower stress riser. We shall
see. I often wonder why Kolb has not tried this over the years and made
a report on it. Max-Gain has supplied many axles/legs for Challengers
with good success. With the gear reliable and with a good 4 cycle
engine such as the 912, Geo, HKS etc., the Kolb will be the most perfect
"Fun" airplane that I have ever flown. So good, in fact, I may go
somewhere in it someday.
Message 31
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: Did It Again. |
Copy paste from Challenger list:
"Hello. I too have a Challenger II LW and use fiberglass gear legs and
I'm
just delighted about them. They absorb shock very well whereas aluminum
legs
will absorb loads but sometime stay bent.
You can buy them from
SKYES THE LIMIT! - Mike Harrison
Phoenix AZ
602-938-9735
Harrison3@cox.net
or in Canada
Turbulence Aviation
http://www.turbulence.ca/an
or better still, you can make your own from stock fiberglass rods at a
fraction of the price, at Max Gain System.
http://www.mgs4u.com/fiberglass-tube-rod.htm
An 8 foot rod would cost you about $60.00." End quote
Main thing is to save the cage..abt 2.5 k or so on the Firefly and
goes up from there.. :-) Herb
> I just ordered enough Max-Gain "E" fiberglass 1.5" dia rods for 3
> gear
> legs. Will let you know if they do the job that the 7075-T6 legs
> do
> not.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Message 32
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
dhkey(at)msn.com wrote:
> The new Sport Aviation mag covers a little bit on this issue.
> September 2007 page 10.
>
> "His concern is that people aren't building their own airplanes but
> certificicating them as though they had."
>
> "The FAA officials are concerned about what it calls abuses of the 51%
> rule."
>
> "I can not acccept a policy that would support amateur-built aircraft
> certification for airplanes that are not built by their owners"
>
> I think this covers your case. They call it abuse.
>
No, it doesn't. Getting an EAB AW cert. for an airplane that was 51% built by an
amateur for his/her recreation/education is compliance with, and not abuse of,
the rule. That's the point here....
LS
--------
LS
FS II
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132832#132832
Message 33
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
In regards to the remote. I was told by a DAR that it is required and it must be
positioned in an area that can be seen "comfortably" from the PIC seat. I read
that to mean the front panel.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132833#132833
Message 34
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
Here is where I mounted my ELT. I made a bracket to hold it on the top of the tube,
butting it up against the front wing attatch bar. This is in a Firestar,
and I was just out of room. I mounted the remote on the right side of the nose
cone.
Larry C
--------
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132837#132837
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9040037_150.jpg
http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9040035_127.jpg
Message 35
| INDEX | Back to Main INDEX |
| PREVIOUS | Skip to PREVIOUS Message |
| NEXT | Skip to NEXT Message |
| LIST | Reply to LIST Regarding this Message |
| SENDER | Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message |
|
| Subject: | Re: IMPORTANT MESSAGE |
jindoguy(at)gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Please send your VISA card number and authenticity code along with your choice
of desert or jungle camouflage paint scheme........................
> --
>
I only want Cub Yellow :D Was going to buy one for that great price, but I just
dont like thier colors.
JetPilot
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132840#132840
Other Matronics Email List Services
These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.
-- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --
|