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1. 01:23 AM - Re: Did It Again. (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
2. 03:53 AM - Re: ELT Installation (Thom Riddle)
3. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: E-AB and the FAA (Jack B. Hart)
4. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: E-AB and the FAA (David Key)
5. 05:49 AM - Re: Exchanging Airplanes (Russ Kinne)
6. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: E-AB and the FAA (Jack B. Hart)
7. 06:26 AM - Re: Re: ELT Installation (Robert Laird)
8. 06:38 AM - Re: E-AB and the FAA (lucien)
9. 07:21 AM - Re: Exchanging Airplanes (ElleryWeld@AOL.COM)
10. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: E-AB and the FAA (David Key)
11. 09:07 AM - Homecomming, if I only had 1 day. (Jim Kmet)
12. 09:31 AM - Re: Homecomming, if I only had 1 day. (John Hauck)
13. 10:21 AM - Re: Re: ELT Installation (Bob Noyer)
14. 12:11 PM - Re: ELT Installation (ropermike)
15. 01:49 PM - Re: Did It Again. (gary aman)
16. 08:47 PM - Re: E-AB and the FAA (lucien)
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| Subject: | Re: Did It Again. |
Just my opinion but better landing technique like John said would save you
gear legs and embarrassment and the trouble of trying to be an engineer
comment from the Peanut Gallery
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
I believe, but can't document any regs on this, that if the switch on the ELT is
reachable in flight, then a remote is not required. The primary reason for the
remote switch is to be able to control it from the pilot's seat and since the
vast majority of Standard Category aircraft have the ELTs located as far aft
as possible, per recommendations, then a remote switch is a requirement to make
it controllable in flight.
Back when I was flying a Cherokee, and the original ELT (located near the tail)
went belly up, we had to replace it plus add the remote switch to be legal.
On our Allegro 2000, which is a factory built S-LSA, the ELT is located just behind
the pilot/passenger seats and reachable in flight. It has no remote switch
and was certificated that way.
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N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
>
>dhkey(at)msn.com wrote:
>> The new Sport Aviation mag covers a little bit on this issue.
>> September 2007 page 10.
>>
>> "His concern is that people aren't building their own airplanes but
>> certificicating them as though they had."
>>
>> "The FAA officials are concerned about what it calls abuses of the 51%
>> rule."
>>
>> "I can not acccept a policy that would support amateur-built aircraft
>> certification for airplanes that are not built by their owners"
>>
>> I think this covers your case. They call it abuse.
>>
One important point taken from the above article is that "The FAA's
particular concerns lie with quick build kits, for which the manufacturer
virtually always fabricates major components."
You can buy an unfinished project from a builder and successfully comply
with the 51% rule.
Examples can be seen on page 82 - "Relief Builder"
On page 76 "Members Forum"
On page 129, three building projects are for sale.
The fact that these articles were written and that these projects are
advertised indicates that the owner does not have to build 51%. It implies
that the FAA is applying a 51% amateur built rule.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
The September 2007 issue of Sport Aviation magazine page 10 clearly suggests
that you registering an plane EAB that was built by someone else [insert
your favorite words here] is considered an abuse. (please read the article)
The atricle says "REGISTERING AN AIRPLANE E-AB THAT WAS BUILT BY SOMEONE
ELSE IS AN ABUSE." It's because YOU are not the builder". The fact that it
was built by someone else is why the spirit of the rule is not in favor of
you registering it.
The phrase "SOMEONE ELSE" is your problem not why it was built.
You have several choices.
You can pretend it doesn't say that.
You can pretend the plane wasn't built by someone else.
You can pretend the FAA guy that was called was wrong.
You can contine to say that the question wasn't ask using the right words.
You can say hey they didn't say my particular name in the rule so maybe I
can.
You can say they didn't say I couldn't register a Kolb built by someone else
EAB.
I am not the one who can tell you you can or can't. So really it makes no
diffrence what I say. Call or write the FAA yourself.
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| Subject: | Re: Exchanging Airplanes |
Then where does the stewardess sit???
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On Sep 4, 2007, at 9:51 PM, ElleryWeld@aol.com wrote:
> Well there is enough room To cary more than in My Firestar the
> other seat is a big plus for starters
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> Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
At 07:19 AM 9/5/07 -0500, you wrote:
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>I am not the one who can tell you you can or can't. So really it makes no
>diffrence what I say. Call or write the FAA yourself.
>
David,
I agree with you. BUT until those who monitor the system follow and enforce
the reg's nothing is going to change. If I worked for the FAA and valued my
job, and I recieved such a call about the rules, I would give book answer
too. It is kind of like "Bait and Switch". I will tell you the rules, but
most know how it is really done. If and when the rules are applied as
written, the Sport Aviation mag will have no uncompleted projects for sale,
and the articles will not involve transfer of project ownership. What you
will see is that projects will involve mulitiple owner/builders so that if
one drops out the project can be successfuly completed without with out
financial loss.
Enough
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
Hello
guys! Once again I come to draw upon your ultimate wisdom. I am getting
my Mkll ready for my E-LSA flightworthy inspection. I have ordered an
AmeriKing AK-450 ELT. Where is the best place to install it? Thanks in
advance....Mike
Mike --
In my MkIIIC, I put my AK-450 ELT behind the left seat, mounted on a
tube. The remote control was placed, of course, on the panel. The hard
parts were the ELT mount, which I had to fabricate, and then a place to
put the antenna, which, again, I had to find a place for (I made an
aluminum "box" that fits around my large capacitor) and fabricate a mount.
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| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
dhkey(at)msn.com wrote:
> The September 2007 issue of Sport Aviation magazine page 10 clearly suggests
> that you registering an plane EAB that was built by someone else [insert
> your favorite words here] is considered an abuse. (please read the article)
>
> The atricle says "REGISTERING AN AIRPLANE E-AB THAT WAS BUILT BY SOMEONE
> ELSE IS AN ABUSE." It's because YOU are not the builder". The fact that it
> was built by someone else is why the spirit of the rule is not in favor of
> you registering it.
>
Not interested in what a magazine says. I'm interested in what the _FARs_ say.
I want this assertion of yours backed up by a _regulation_ - then I'll be convinced
it's illegal or improper.
Please cite a _regulation_ that specifically disallows EAB cert. of an airplane
51% built by an amateur for recreation/education.
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Exchanging Airplanes |
Well when she wants to go she will have to leave her bags of warpaint home ,
thats all there is to it and I can make the other seat avaliable to her
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
Why haven't you called you local FAA office?
>From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
>To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Kolb-List: Re: E-AB and the FAA
>Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 06:38:36 -0700
>
>
>
>dhkey(at)msn.com wrote:
> > The September 2007 issue of Sport Aviation magazine page 10 clearly
>suggests
> > that you registering an plane EAB that was built by someone else [insert
> > your favorite words here] is considered an abuse. (please read the
>article)
> >
> > The atricle says "REGISTERING AN AIRPLANE E-AB THAT WAS BUILT BY SOMEONE
> > ELSE IS AN ABUSE." It's because YOU are not the builder". The fact that
>it
> > was built by someone else is why the spirit of the rule is not in favor
>of
> > you registering it.
> >
>
>
>Not interested in what a magazine says. I'm interested in what the _FARs_
>say.
>
>I want this assertion of yours backed up by a _regulation_ - then I'll be
>convinced it's illegal or improper.
>
>Please cite a _regulation_ that specifically disallows EAB cert. of an
>airplane 51% built by an amateur for recreation/education.
>
>LS
>
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>LS
>FS II
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>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=132875#132875
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| Subject: | Homecomming, if I only had 1 day. |
Guys, for those have attended the Kolb Fly-in, Which day would be the
bst to attend if I could only be there 1 day? & what is the best 2nd
day, in case I get 2?
Thanks, Jim Kmet (Planning on flying up in my MK-3C)
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| Subject: | Re: Homecomming, if I only had 1 day. |
Hi Jim K:
If I had one day, I would plan on Saturday.
If I had two days, Friday and Saturday.
Hope you can make it both days, and have a great flight.
john h
mkIII
Guys, for those have attended the Kolb Fly-in, Which day would be the
bst to attend if I could only be there 1 day? & what is the best 2nd
day, in case I get 2?
Thanks, Jim Kmet (Planning on flying up in my MK-3C
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
Looks good, Larry.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
Thanks Larry and everyone else for the help and pictures. I talked to my DAR this
morning and he said if the ELT can be turned on easily from the pilot seat,
the remote was not mandentory. I will decide where to mount it when it comes
in and go from there...thanks again, Mike
Soon to be "N177RM"
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| Subject: | Re: Did It Again. |
I have tried the fiberglass gear legs,made up the axle fabrications and really
like the way they level out the ride taxiing on rough ground.But they don't fit
the cage well,ID of the sockets is a bit larger,and after ten Hrs,I took them
off and saw the pressure points wearing on the glass from the sockets.I tried
brass shim stock to line the sockets,and that seemed to cure that.But if you
pull your plane backward into a trailer after every flight as I do, the flex
in the legs makes them toe out as you pull it backwards and it gets real hard
to pull uphill.The final reason I pulled them was I could not get a firm quote
on the breaking point of the 1 1/4 rods at the length we use.
All this probably gives you some insight into my ability to execute
smooth landings with any regularity,but if anyone wants to try them,the legs
are here with the steel fabrications attached,and mountings holes drilled.They
are painted black. You may have them for the come and gett'in
herbgh@juno.com wrote:
Copy paste from Challenger list:
"Hello. I too have a Challenger II LW and use fiberglass gear legs and I'm
just delighted about them. They absorb shock very well whereas aluminum legs
will absorb loads but sometime stay bent.
You can buy them from
SKYES THE LIMIT! - Mike Harrison
Phoenix AZ
602-938-9735
Harrison3@cox.net
or in Canada
Turbulence Aviation
http://www.turbulence.ca/an
or better still, you can make your own from stock fiberglass rods at a
fraction of the price, at Max Gain System.
http://www.mgs4u.com/fiberglass-tube-rod.htm
An 8 foot rod would cost you about $60.00." End quote
Main thing is to save the cage..abt 2.5 k or so on the Firefly and goes up
from there.. :-) Herb
> I just ordered enough Max-Gain "E" fiberglass 1.5" dia rods for 3
> gear
> legs. Will let you know if they do the job that the 7075-T6 legs
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| Subject: | Re: E-AB and the FAA |
dhkey(at)msn.com wrote:
> Why haven't you called you local FAA office?
>
Because the burden of proof isn't on me - I didn't make the claim that there was
some circumstance under which an a/c built by an amateur couldn't get an EAB
AW cert, Richard did.
So, I'm simply asking for support for that claim.
LS
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