---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 09/07/07: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:54 AM - co-pilot (tc1917) 2. 07:10 AM - Re: Re: Did It Again. (gary aman) 3. 07:28 AM - Re: ELT Installation (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 4. 07:56 AM - Anodizing Aluminum (N27SB@aol.com) 5. 07:57 AM - Re: Re: Did It Again. (Russ Kinne) 6. 09:01 AM - buzzing vibration (robert bean) 7. 09:32 AM - Re: Anodizing Aluminum (Denny Rowe) 8. 09:37 AM - Re: Caution- Pictures and non-Kolb content!--- It's a Girl! (Denny Rowe) 9. 11:05 AM - Re: buzzing vibration (Jack B. Hart) 10. 11:48 AM - Prop blades (herbgh@juno.com) 11. 01:22 PM - ELSA (Charles Davis) 12. 03:10 PM - Re: Anodizing Aluminum (John Hauck) 13. 04:21 PM - Re: Anodizing Aluminum (Richard Pike) 14. 04:45 PM - Re: Anodizing Aluminum (John Hauck) 15. 06:11 PM - Re: buzzing vibration (Steven Green) 16. 06:32 PM - Re: ELSA (jdmol2002) 17. 07:33 PM - Re: ELSA (Terry Swartz) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:54 AM PST US From: "tc1917" Subject: Kolb-List: co-pilot Roger, Now THAT is what I call Amature Built!! Congratulations. A little girl is a blessing. Best of luck and love. ted ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:45 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Did It Again. you share the same dilemma we all have.You can give way or you can carry on till impact. As I am flying an ultralight vehicle, I am supposed to give way to all other flying aircraft.>> Hi, that is a problem that we dont have in the UK. Steam still gives way to sail at sea but in the air a plane is a plane is a plane.Except that we all give way to balloons. Are you persona non grata because you are unregistered? All aircraft are registered here. Gliders in the UK but not in Europe have been unregistered for years but even the gliders have lost that distinction recently in our rush to regularise things across Europe. Interesting the way our systems differ. As usual there are swings and roundabouts(carousels). The problems about selling or registering a plane by someone other than the builder which is a hot topic on the list at the moment is just something which does not arise here. On the other hand we do not have the freedom of your Experimental category . We have moved a little way toward it though by allowing a really light ultralight to be built without having to receive a C of A. It will have to have a noise certificate however and be registered. The dead hand of bureaucracy is everywhere. Lucky you in spite of the problems seem to have more freedom left than most of us. Cheers Pat ( Still waiting for the paperwork to arrive so that I can test fly my repaired Xtra.) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:44 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ELT Installation From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" "ropermike" asked, << my Mkll ... I have ordered an AmeriKing AK-450 ELT. Where is the best place to install it? Thanks in advance....Mike >> Hi, Mike - Here's how I did it: For installing a AK-450 in my Mark-III, I attached it to the side of the six-inch tail boom tube, near the forwardmost end where it attaches to cage structure. I fabricated a pair of wooden saddle blocks to interface between the 6" tube and the flat ELT base. Two large hose clamps hold the setup securely against the boom tube. Access to the ELT switch is easy, right behind the pilot's seat back. Dennis Kirby Mark-III, 912ul Cedar Crest, NM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:30 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Anodizing Aluminum Has anyone played around with anodizing their own aluminum parts? I have been doing research on type II home anodize. Steve Firefly 007/Floats do not archive http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:38 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Did It Again. My approach always has been "if there's a conflict, he wins". We can sort it out later if we're still alive. On boats, if he's a lot bigger he has the right-of-way. But I still blow 7 blasts to let him know (and everyone else within earshot) he's being an idiot do not archive On Sep 7, 2007, at 10:10 AM, gary aman wrote: > you share the same dilemma we all have.You can give way or you can > carry on till impact. > > pat ladd wrote: > > As I am flying an ultralight vehicle, I am supposed to give way to all > other flying aircraft.>> > > Hi, > that is a problem that we dont have in the UK. Steam still gives > way to > sail at sea but in the air a plane is a plane is a plane.Except > that we all > give way to balloons. > Are you persona non grata because you are unregistered? All > aircraft are > registered here. Gliders in the UK but not in Europe have been > unregistered > for years but even the gliders have lost that distinction recently > in our > rush to regularise things across Europe. > > Interesting the way our systems differ. As usual > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:32 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: buzzing vibration I went out for a sundown ride last night. Calm on the ground, enough breeze at pattern altitude for a good crosswind crab, but still smooth. Being too lazy lately to replace a lost pitot cover, the bugs plugged that thing. So all my performance numbers were nonexistent. (although zero mph climb speeds are pretty impressive) Question is this: in bumpy air I get an intermittent buzzing effect. Maybe a vibration, maybe only a sound effect. Generally only when running full cruise above 4700 rpm. It isn't the ailerons because I KNOW what they do from experience (still got to move those balancers from the shelf to the wings) My thinking is that it has something to do with the relationship between my prop and bump-induced yaw. The sideways moving prop biting the air unevenly. 3 blade powerfin. Anyone else experience a similar effect? BB MkIIIc, suzuki ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:32:18 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anodizing Aluminum Steve, I did not do my own, but had a local shop do a ton of it for two differant planes I built. Check local listings, you might be surprised how affordable it is. Denny Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: N27SB@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Anodizing Aluminum Has anyone played around with anodizing their own aluminum parts? I have been doing research on type II home anodize. Steve Firefly 007/Floats do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 9/6/2007 3:18 PM ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:03 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Caution- Pictures and non-Kolb content!--- It's a Girl! Congrats to you and mom! Great times await you all. Denny Rowe do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "R. Hankins" Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 12:33 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Caution- Pictures and non-Kolb content!--- It's a Girl! > > I am happy to announce the completion of my first nine month building > project. Elizabeth Anne Hankins was born Sept 4th @ 1:45PM. She was > 8lbs-3oz and 20-1/4"long. We have just come home from the hospital and > all is well with the world. I'm so proud I could bust. Here are some > pictures below. Now I need two seats! > > In other news, my E-LSA registration was waiting in the mailbox. Looks > like I'll be N1682C after the rest of the process is finished (there, now > this is sort of Kolb related) > > -------- > Roger in Oregon > 1992 KXP 503 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133200#133200 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/elizabeth_small_899.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dayna_and_elizabeth_160.jpg > > > -- > 3:18 PM > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:05:12 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: buzzing vibration Bob, Might be a aileron gap seal or center section leak. On my FireFly, I ran the gap seals the whole way to the pivot arm. The propeller wash wore them out in the creases and so finally, I removed that portion of the gap seal. They used to sing like blowing by a blade of grass held between your thumbs etc. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN At 11:59 AM 9/7/07 -0400, you wrote: > >I went out for a sundown ride last night. Calm on the ground, enough >breeze at pattern altitude for a good crosswind crab, but still smooth. >Being too lazy lately to replace a lost pitot cover, the bugs plugged >that thing. So all my performance numbers were nonexistent. >(although zero mph climb speeds are pretty impressive) >Question is this: in bumpy air I get an intermittent buzzing >effect. Maybe a vibration, maybe only a sound effect. Generally only >when running full cruise above 4700 rpm. It isn't the ailerons >because I KNOW what they do from experience (still got to >move those balancers from the shelf to the wings) >My thinking is that it has something to do with the relationship >between my prop and bump-induced yaw. The sideways >moving prop biting the air unevenly. 3 blade powerfin. Anyone else >experience a similar effect? >BB >MkIIIc, suzuki > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:48:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Prop blades From: herbgh@juno.com Hey Don G. do you still have those red ivo blades that I sold you..? Want to sell them back to me.. Herb do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:42 PM PST US From: "Charles Davis" Subject: Kolb-List: ELSA I now own an airplane! This morning I received my airworthiness certificate for my Firefly, N7057K, serial # "CD-1". The inspector certainly looked over the paperwork, but seemed more interested in helping me get it filled out to a acceptable level, not on gigging me for mistakes. He did spend about 30 minutes inspecting the airplane, and made a few suggestions. While he was not overly picky, I got the definite impression that had he found anything he considered dangerous, he would have failed me unless it could be corrected. As usual when dealing with government, the person you are dealing with is more important then the details of the regulations. I am now confined to 10 Nm's around Smoketown, PA for 5 hours. Also, regrading a point raised on a few earlier posts: My plane's builder is officially listed as "Kolb". The instructions which came with the original registration stated that (as you would expect) the builder would normally be the applicant. However, as the FAA understood you may not know the original builder of a plane being converted to E-LSA, you are allowed to enter the kit manufacturer. Chuck Davis Malvern, PA Firelfy N7057K ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:10:33 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anodizing Aluminum Steve: Do not know about home anodizing. However, have used the alodine process quite a bit. It is easy, works well, and lasts a long time. A gallon is cheap and will last me a life time. john h mkIII Has anyone played around with anodizing their own aluminum parts? I have been doing research on type II home anodize. Steve ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:16 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anodizing Aluminum What do the results look like? I know what anodizing looks like, what does alodine look like? How does it compare? Richard PIke MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: John Hauck To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:09 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anodizing Aluminum Steve: Do not know about home anodizing. However, have used the alodine process quite a bit. It is easy, works well, and lasts a long time. A gallon is cheap and will last me a life time. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:33 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Anodizing Aluminum Hi Richard: I'll see if I can find a photo of some of my alodined stuff. I did the 3/8" aluminum angle engine mounts with gold alodine. Also the rudder trim tab. I also use clear. I think there are other colors available. To process, I use a phosphoric acid bath, clear water rinse, followed by a few seconds in the alodine. Does not take long. Too long and the aluminum will really get dark, using the gold. Clear should not pose a problem. No need to dry after rinsing phosphoric acid off. Results are good. For engine mounts, it protects the aluminum and unlike primer and paint, do not have to worry about the fasteners loosening up because engine vibration eats into the paint. john h mkIII What do the results look like? I know what anodizing looks like, what does alodine look like? How does it compare? Richard PIke ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:40 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: buzzing vibration I had a buzzing sound in my MK3 that was coming from a piece of lexan on the center section overhead. It too was intermittent. Steven > > I went out for a sundown ride last night. Calm on the ground, enough > breeze at pattern altitude for a good crosswind crab, but still smooth. > Being too lazy lately to replace a lost pitot cover, the bugs plugged > that thing. So all my performance numbers were nonexistent. > (although zero mph climb speeds are pretty impressive) > Question is this: in bumpy air I get an intermittent buzzing effect. > Maybe a vibration, maybe only a sound effect. Generally only > when running full cruise above 4700 rpm. It isn't the ailerons because I > KNOW what they do from experience (still got to > move those balancers from the shelf to the wings) > My thinking is that it has something to do with the relationship between > my prop and bump-induced yaw. The sideways > moving prop biting the air unevenly. 3 blade powerfin. Anyone else > experience a similar effect? > BB > MkIIIc, suzuki > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:38 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ELSA From: "jdmol2002" Why on earth would you register a firefly, keep it as an ultralight. Why pay more money to fly your plane. That makes no sence. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133332#133332 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:16 PM PST US From: "Terry Swartz" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELSA Who was your inspector? Do you have contact information? On 9/7/07, Charles Davis wrote: > > I now own an airplane! This morning I received my airworthiness > certificate for my Firefly, N7057K, serial # "CD-1". > > The inspector certainly looked over the paperwork, but seemed more > interested in helping me get it filled out to a acceptable level, not on > gigging me for mistakes. He did spend about 30 minutes inspecting the > airplane, and made a few suggestions. While he was not overly picky, I got > the definite impression that had he found anything he considered dangerous, > he would have failed me unless it could be corrected. As usual when > dealing with government, the person you are dealing with is more important > then the details of the regulations. > > I am now confined to 10 Nm's around Smoketown, PA for 5 hours. > > Also, regrading a point raised on a few earlier posts: My plane's builder > is officially listed as "Kolb". The instructions which came with the > original registration stated that (as you would expect) the builder would > normally be the applicant. However, as the FAA understood you may not know > the original builder of a plane being converted to E-LSA, you are allowed to > enter the kit manufacturer. > > Chuck Davis > Malvern, PA > Firelfy N7057K > > * > > * > > -- Terry ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.