---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/09/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:49 AM - Re: Engine Choice King Kolbra or Mklllxtra. (David Lucas) 2. 06:02 AM - Re: ELSA (Russ Kinne) 3. 07:05 AM - Re: Engine Choice King Kolbra or Mklllxtra. (robert bean) 4. 08:31 AM - STOL Vidio - Warning - Non Kolb Related - Not attached a link only. (Kolbdriver) 5. 08:54 AM - Re: Engine Choice King Kolbra or Mklllxtra. (Bart Morgan) 6. 09:10 AM - Re: STOL Vidio - Warning - Non Kolb Related - Not attached a link only. (John Hauck) 7. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Engine Choice King Kolbra or Mklllxtra. (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 8. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: Did It Again. (Bob Noyer) 9. 10:48 AM - Re: Re: Did It Again. (N27SB@aol.com) 10. 11:03 AM - Taxiway landings (flykolb) 11. 12:24 PM - Have ya'll got this one yet? (possums) 12. 01:56 PM - Re: Taxiway landings (Charlie England) 13. 03:38 PM - Re: Have ya'll got this one yet? (planecrazzzy) 14. 04:27 PM - Re: Taxiway landings (Richard Pike) 15. 08:47 PM - Re: Taxiway landings (JetPilot) 16. 08:48 PM - Re: Taxiway landings (JetPilot) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:49:51 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine Choice King Kolbra or Mklllxtra. From: "David Lucas" Thanks Bob, Don't know why the Matronics web forum method of posting does not transfer the URL to the e-mail version. There probably is a method, but I don't know it. John, Thanks for the feedback. Guess I knew that fuselarge mods would have to be done to keep the same thrust line, and if so I was hoping it wouldn't create too big an issue with other items such as the rear wing mount point or aileron control linkages etc. And, if embedded in the frame somewhat, then perhaps the frontal area would not be such an issue. Fuel availability is not a problem over here (Europe) 95 and 98 octane lead free is the standard issue, but the running costs are a significant factor ! ! ! The cost of fuel now is around uro 1:50 per litre, which equals about US $ 5:68 per US gallon ! Multiply that by your fuel burn per hour and you'll see why economy is such an important factor. This is why I was considering it in the first place. Other than that, it's such a nice neat engine, quiet and economical, FADEC, injected, etc etc. Designed as a turbo from day one, not an add on = better volumetric efficiency and so on. Oh, well. Back to the drawing board I guess. Now lets see, R for Rotax or J for Jabiru, Hmmm ! Regards to all. David. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133562#133562 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:46 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELSA Private used to require 20 hrs of dual with a CFI and 3 hrs of Instrument time. No more? Couldn't do that in a Firefly. The more instruction you get, the safer a pilot you'll be. Don 't work too hard to avoid it. On Sep 8, 2007, at 8:21 PM, Charles Davis wrote: > That's a valid question. The reasons are several, starting with > the fact that while close, my Firefly is not (was not!) a legit 103 > vehicle. It was 30 lbs overweight, and I did not want to give up > the larger wheels, brakes, VSI, etc. Should there ever be an > issue, I am now in the clear. Also, given that the serial number > is my own "CD-1" rather then the Kolb frame serial number, it can > be converted back to an ultralight by pulling off the data plate > and N number. No data plate, no airplane! > > For me, with a desire to move up the certification ladder, having > my own airplane is useful in that I can now log all the hours I'll > fly anyway. Except for the 3 hours night training, I'll do > everything I need for my Private in my Firefly, and a lot cheaper! > That's the beauty of the way the regs were written. We can each > choose the options that suite us best. > > The inspector was Eugene Breiner, 717 776 7608. > > > Time: 06:32:38 PM PST US > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ELSA > From: "jdmol2002" > > > Why on earth would you register a firefly, keep it as an > ultralight. Why pay more > money to fly your plane. That makes no sence. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133332#133332 > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:35 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine Choice King Kolbra or Mklllxtra. David, coming from the "alternative engine" school myself, it amounts to how much you like building vs flying. That little engine would be really working its heart out to deliver promised HP. The mount they sell with it is primarily for a tractor set up. It would take some welding/mutilation to adapt it or create your own bed mount. With my 3 cyl suzuki I deliberately used the standard Kolb mount structure unmodified so that I or some future owner could very easily install an off- the -shelf mill like a 912. Then there is the question of how much $$ you would save, especially in the light of the current terrible exchange rate. BUT on the plus side, there is a big dose of satisfaction once you get it all running reliably and having folks look at it, wondering what it is. BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:25 AM PST US From: "Kolbdriver" Subject: Kolb-List: STOL Vidio - Warning - Non Kolb Related - Not attached a link only. http://www.barnstormers.com/eFLYER/2007/070900-005-eFLYER.html My apologies to the purists' among us however the video toward the middle of the Barnstormers' newsletter was interesting. Since our birds are STOL, (Well I sort of make it Kolb Related). A STOL competition in Alaska I wonder if John H has seen this event. Mike Oak Grove Missouri Mark III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs Suzuki G13B 1.3L - 0hrs Started with Big Lar still behind... Do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:34 AM PST US From: Bart Morgan Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Engine Choice King Kolbra or Mklllxtra. Robert, I am new to the Kolb list. I like the idea of Geo/Suzuki engine on my Firestar II kit. Are you pleased with your Suzuki? What redrive are you using? Regards, Bart Morgan robert bean wrote: David, coming from the "alternative engine" school myself, it amounts to how much you like building vs flying. That little engine would be really working its heart out to deliver promised HP. The mount they sell with it is primarily for a tractor set up. It would take some welding/mutilation to adapt it or create your own bed mount. With my 3 cyl suzuki I deliberately used the standard Kolb mount structure unmodified so that I or some future owner could very easily install an off- the -shelf mill like a 912. Then there is the question of how much $$ you would save, especially in the light of the current terrible exchange rate. BUT on the plus side, there is a big dose of satisfaction once you get it all running reliably and having folks look at it, wondering what it is. BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:10:06 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: STOL Vidio - Warning - Non Kolb Related - Not attached a link only. Hi Mike: Yes, I have, and it is quite impressive. Don't know how much wind was blowing during the competition, but it is usually windy in Valdez. Ironicly, I recently posted photos of Miss P'fer flying into Valdez. For those Kolbers who think their stock aluminum gear is not built to handle Kolb landings, notice........ even these guys do not stop flying until a few inches off the ground. If you stall a couple feet off the ground, something is going to bend on just about any airplane, Kolb or not. Learn to land the airplane before you redesign Homer Kolb's landing gear. ;-) I never learned to land correctly, all the time, so I had to come up with much stronger gear. hehehe john h Since our birds are STOL, (Well I sort of make it Kolb Related). A STOL competition in Alaska I wonder if John H has seen this event. Mike ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:45 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Engine Choice King Kolbra or Mklllxtra. David I didn't know URLs don't transfer that's why I asked. The new optional VW mount is too wide for the Kolbra so that doesn't help. With that horsepower level it is imperative to get the thrust line down as low as possible. The cage would need some custom changes to work. As John indicated being the first makes it much more difficult. You should have a very significant improvement in mind to consider this option. I suspect that engine costs would not be one of them. If fuel cost is the prime consideration why not the Smart Car Turbo Diesel engine? I saw one flown at Sun N Fun two years ago that had a gear redrive. It looked like a nice package. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lucas" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 6:49 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Engine Choice King Kolbra or Mklllxtra. > > Thanks Bob, Don't know why the Matronics web forum method of posting does > not transfer the URL to the e-mail version. There probably is a method, > but I don't know it. > > John, Thanks for the feedback. Guess I knew that fuselarge mods would have > to be done to keep the same thrust line, and if so I was hoping it > wouldn't create too big an issue with other items such as the rear wing > mount point or aileron control linkages etc. And, if embedded in the frame > somewhat, then perhaps the frontal area would not be such an issue. > > Fuel availability is not a problem over here (Europe) 95 and 98 octane > lead free is the standard issue, but the running costs are a significant > factor ! ! ! The cost of fuel now is around ,uro 1:50 per litre, which > equals about US $ 5:68 per US gallon ! Multiply that by your fuel burn per > hour and you'll see why economy is such an important factor. This is why I > was considering it in the first place. > > Other than that, it's such a nice neat engine, quiet and economical, > FADEC, injected, etc etc. Designed as a turbo from day one, not an add on > = better volumetric efficiency and so on. > > Oh, well. Back to the drawing board I guess. Now lets see, R for Rotax or > J for Jabiru, Hmmm ! > > Regards to all. > > David. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133562#133562 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:15 AM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Did It Again. Re: statement that "landing on a taxiway is forbidden," I reiterate that at OKV ULs ARE SUPPOSED TO OPERATE (land/takeoff) FROM NORTH END OF TAXIWAY. We don't have a twr, thank goodness, but do have Unicom for our 5600 rnwy. I'll quote exact para. when I go out next week. The use of the taxiway was a compromise between restricting ULs completely, and allowing some operation. I was chrm of Airport Advisory Cmte. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:48:07 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Did It Again. In a message dated 9/8/2007 11:51:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, orcabonita@hotmail.com writes: As far as landing on a taxiway, that is a HUGE NO NO I seem to remember that Lakeland used the taxiway as the main landing strip during SnF. Is my memory wrong? Steve B Firefly 007/Floats do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:55 AM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Kolb-List: Taxiway landings "As far as landing on a taxiway, that is a HUGE NO NO I seem to remember that Lakeland used the taxiway as the main landing strip during SnF. Is my memory wrong?" You memory is good. I remember being told by the control tower at one airport to land my Cessna on the taxiway. I don't remember why :-(. Jim Kolb Mark 3 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:25 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: Have ya'll got this one yet? From: "Carlos De Bortoli" Subject: Your Photos at http://www.matronics.com Dear Sir; We are two enthusiasts of Mark III airplane and want to build one; We have written to Kolb Aircraft but without response We need to know if it is possible to buy you a construction plans ( digital or paper ); the think is build from cero, and only buy the materials; our problem is the customs for import an airplane.- If it is possible please send me the prices of the construction plans and the materials; we have a new Rotax 582 for install.- If you know some person interested in selling the construction plans, please send him this contact.- Thanks in advance Carlos De Bortoli Aeronautical Engineering Argentina ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:56:23 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Taxiway landings flykolb wrote: > "As far as landing on a taxiway, that is a HUGE NO NO > > I seem to remember that Lakeland used the taxiway as the main landing > strip during SnF. Is my memory wrong?" > > You memory is good. I remember being told by the control tower at one > airport to land my *Cessna* on the taxiway. I don't remember why :-(. > > Jim > Kolb Mark 3 During SNF, the taxiway is designated as an official runway. IIRC, the main & taxiway 'runways' are actually marked with an L or R, as appropriate. As far as the FAA is concerned, during SNF (OSH does the same thing) the taxiway is no longer a taxiway; it's a runway. No one actually taxis on the 'narrow runway' during SNF. I would think that the thing to remember is the 'why'. If the taxiway isn't designated as a landing zone, other pilots will not be expecting a plane to arrive on it from the sky & might taxi into your path. I have a neighbor whose flown a SuperCub in some pretty windy conditions. He once had to depart a controlled field in wind so strong that he was literally taxi-ing in overlapping circles to get to the actual runway. He asked the tower for permission to depart from an intersecting taxiway instead of the runway. The tower's answer was that they couldn't authorize it, but he could exercise his authority as pilot in command to take whatever action was necessary for safe flight at that time. He departed using the taxiway. Note that there was no other traffic at the time. It's very unlikely that the tower would have given him that leeway if there had been heavy traffic around the field at that time. Charlie ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:22 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Have ya'll got this one yet? From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Possum, Yeah , I got it too... Funny Thing....Both of us have Firestars..... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN PS I see the Spell checker is working....it needs to recognize some words like Firestar or other words we use... -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133638#133638 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:35 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Taxiway landings Exactly right. Years ago, Albany, GA had a closed runway 9-27 that was fairly grown up with grass, and had been closed for years. The Rockwell factory on the field made Thrush cropdusters, and the test pilots all had the callsign of "Toughbird," which was what Rockwell was using as a promo for their airplanes at that time. Well, Toughbird 6 was coming back from an evaluation of a new Thrush Commander, and the wind was something like 270@35. The normal runways were 22 or 34, so either one would have been a huge crosswind component. I gave him the wind, and he came right back with "Toughbird 6 requests to land on closed runway 27 as traffic permits, I realize you can't give me a landing clearance, I understand that landing will be at my own risk." Obviously he had read the manual, FAA 7110.65, paragraph 3-3-2 which said - If an aircraft requests to takeoff, land, or touch-and-go on a closed or unsafe runway, inform the pilot the runway is closed or unsafe, and a. If the pilot persists in his/her request, quote him/her the appropriate parts of the NOTAM applying to the runway and inform him/her that a clearance cannot be issued. b. Then, if the pilot insists and in your opinion the intended operation would not adversely affect other traffic, inform him/her that the operation will be at his/her own risk. PHRASEOLOGY- RUNWAY (runway number) CLOSED/UNSAFE. If appropriate, (quote NOTAM information), UNABLE TO ISSUE DEPARTURE/LANDING/TOUCH- AND-GO CLEARANCE. DEPARTURE/LANDING/TOUCH-AND-GO WILL BE AT YOUR OWN RISK. My reply? "Toughbird 6, no traffic, proceed as requested, contact ground 121.7 after completing your landing roll." And that's how it's done. Easy as pie. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:52 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Taxiway landings > I have a neighbor whose flown a SuperCub in some pretty windy conditions. > He once had to depart a controlled field in wind so strong that he was > literally taxi-ing in overlapping circles to get to the actual runway. He > asked the tower for permission to depart from an intersecting taxiway > instead of the runway. The tower's answer was that they couldn't authorize > it, but he could exercise his authority as pilot in command to take > whatever action was necessary for safe flight at that time. He departed > using the taxiway. Note that there was no other traffic at the time. It's > very unlikely that the tower would have given him that leeway if there had > been heavy traffic around the field at that time. > > Charlie > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Taxiway landings From: "JetPilot" Special events are just that, special events. Sometimes taxiways become runways, and sometimes runways become parking ramps for airplanes, so what ?? To think that this transfers to normal operations, and makes it " OK " to land on the taxiway once in a while is just insane. Im sure it is very possible that some small uncontrolled airport somewhere may like, or be setup for the ultralights to land on the taxiway. But again, for some ultralight guy to think that this makes it ok to go to other airports and land on taxiways is wrong. Keep on landing on them taxiways, and let us know what happens when you get caught. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=133690#133690 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:48:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Taxiway landings From: "JetPilot" Special events are just that, special events. Sometimes taxiways become runways, and sometimes runways become parking ramps for airplanes, so what ?? To think that this transfers to normal operations, and makes it " OK " to land on the taxiway once in a while is just insane. Im sure it is very possible that some small uncontrolled airport somewhere may like, or be setup for the ultralights to land on the taxiway. But again, for some ultralight guy to think that this makes it ok to go to other airports and land on taxiways is wrong. Keep on landing on them taxiways, and let us know what happens when you get caught. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! 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