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1. 04:39 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (Thom Riddle)
2. 04:53 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (Larry Bourne)
3. 05:25 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (lucien)
4. 05:36 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (grantr)
5. 05:52 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (lucien)
6. 06:20 AM - Larry Bourne (lucien)
7. 06:52 AM - Newborn (Vic Peters)
8. 07:46 AM - Re: Newborn (David Key)
9. 08:05 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (The BaronVonEvil)
10. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (Denny Rowe)
11. 08:11 AM - Re: Newborn (Denny Rowe)
12. 08:12 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
13. 08:12 AM - Re: M3X Wing Support Brackets (George T. Alexander, Jr.)
14. 08:31 AM - Re: Newborn (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
15. 08:47 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (George Alexander)
16. 10:38 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (HShack@aol.com)
17. 11:15 AM - Looking for a spray paint rig solution (Arran Addington)
18. 11:59 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (APilot@webtv.net)
19. 12:19 PM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (grantr)
20. 12:22 PM - Looking to buy a Mark III or similar 2 place plane (grantr)
21. 12:26 PM - Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution (jb92563)
22. 12:58 PM - Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air (jb92563)
23. 01:20 PM - Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution (Jeremy Casey)
24. 01:28 PM - Re: Bad Possum (jb92563)
25. 02:04 PM - Re: Newborn (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
26. 02:31 PM - Re: Looking to buy a Mark III or similar 2 place plane (David Key)
27. 05:00 PM - Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution (Vic Peters)
28. 05:11 PM - Re: Newborn (Vic Peters)
29. 05:26 PM - Re: Newborn (Vic Peters)
30. 05:32 PM - Toe in Fix (Vic Peters)
31. 06:47 PM - Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution (Wade Lawicki)
32. 09:30 PM - Re: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (APilot@webtv.net)
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
Grant,
I think most Firestar IIs are heavier than the 360# empty weight that your situation
would require. (760-60-340=360) The empty weight on the Firestar II you
are thinking of buying must be shown on the weight and balance paperwork if the
airplane is registered and has an airworthiness certificate. Unless you weigh
it yourself, you won't be certain that its current weight is what is on the
paperwork, since mods or additional equipment may have been added since it was
registered.
For what it is worth, my Firestar I weighs 362 lb. empty with BRS, ten gallon tank,
and hydraulic brakes, according to the W&B paperwork done by the builder.
Its alleged weight is heaver than most early single seat Firestars for reasons
unknown to me. I won't know its actual weight until after I finish the repairs
needed from the recent accident, and weigh it myself.
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Thom in Buffalo
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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only means."
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
grantr wrote:
>
> I have some questions that I need answered ASAP. I have plans to buy a Kolb Firestar
II this Saturday. When I talked to the guy I was under the impression
that this plane would carry two normal sized adults. Now I am concerned that
this plane might not work. This is a 2000 year kit finished in 2004 with a rotax
503 electric start, Ivo 3 blade prop, hotbox, BRS, strobes and Battery.
>
> Kolbs website says max gross weight is 725# I talked to Travis at Kolb and he
said its now 760# . The designer of the plane in Canada did not know the weight
was raised.
>
> I want to convert the plane to 2 seat by installing the sling seat however I
believe its going to be over gross weight with 2 normal sized people. Kolb did
not recommend going over gross weight.
>
> Max weight of 2 pilots would not exceed 340#
>
> The guy told me the plane with him in it full of fuel(10gallons) weights 630
to 640#. I cant remember exactly but it was over 600. He said he weight 150# and
10 gallons of fuel should be about 60#.
> When I asked him he said the weight might have been off on the scales?
>
>
> Will you guys give me the empty weight of your Kolb FirestarIIs along with what
options you have on the plane?
>
>
> What do you guys thing should I go with two seats on this one or get a Mark III?
>
> Travis at Kolb told me their FirestarII Weighs 325# empty but it does not have
a BRS, electric start, a Battery or much of anything.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Grant
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134141#134141
>
>
>
In a FS II, the back seat passenger is going to be very cramped. I've
flown in the back seat of 2, with 2 different sized pilots........the
flying part was fun, the seating was misery. I'd do it again, but if
there's any options I'd look them over. Lar.
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
Mine, according to the data plate, is 440 lbs empty. According to the weight and
balance, I could carry around 60 to 70lbs in the back seat before hitting gross
wt (750lbs).
Mine has no options other than the C box and RK-400 clutch, which add about 10lbs
over what just a B box would be. The builder had to add some ballast to the
front to get the W&B to come out right (I beleve it was 10lbs, but how much isn't
specified in the logbooks).
I think the most the plane could lose if I went to a B box and removed the ballast
is about 20 to 25lbs...
So it's still a pretty heavy plane if the typical empty weight is 325 or thereabouts.
Doesn't fly like it's heavy though.....
LS
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LS
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
Wow this is not sounding good for flying 2.
This one has mechanical brakes also.
Lucien,
Your plane is 440# with no BRS or other options? Wow So this one must be heavier.
Any idea what a BRS weights. I think its around 28#
Keep those weights and options coming!
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
grantr wrote:
> Wow this is not sounding good for flying 2.
>
> This one has mechanical brakes also.
>
> Lucien,
>
> Your plane is 440# with no BRS or other options? Wow So this one must be heavier.
>
> Any idea what a BRS weights. I think its around 28#
>
> Keep those weights and options coming!
That's with the VLS BRS that the plane was originally certificated with. I currently
have the BRS off the plane - it's out of date and frankly I'm more worried
about dying due to accidental firing of the chute than any failure of that
Kolb airframe - but according to the label on the chute the all up weight of it
is 17 lbs.
IMO, the FS II is pretty much a single-place plane. A couple friends of mine in
TX had one and flew it dual on a regular basis, but I don't know what their plane
weighed.
The original builder told me he couldn't see how you could build the plane any
lighter than that. Mine really is bare bones and he did the Stitts process on
the fabric absolutely to the letter (came out beautiful too, still looks like
a brand new paint job 10 years later), but the plane was still more than 400lbs
before he added the ballast.
But even with full 10gals of gas, my 195lbs and 9000' density altitude, it gets
off the ground and climbs out about 300 fpm or so. So it doesn't _fly_ overweight
by any means (solo anyway).....
LS
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LS
FS II
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Larry,
Could you contact me offlist at your convenience? I'm at lstavenhagen@hotmail.com
Thanks,
LS
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LS
FS II
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The future N740VP MKIIIXTRA had her maiden test flight on 9/9/07 at 6:45
EST. After 14 yrs. of owning but only 2 of building. 591 lbs.empty, no
fuel, engine wet.
Ellery stretched my boat trailer in 2 directions, built wing supports
and balanced the carbs.
He the took it for a short test flight.
Need a little rudder trim (New that)
Need to balance cheap ass Carlisle tires.
Change plugs. Replacing with NGK DCPR7E (what was in it when it came
back from Lockwood. Does that sound like the right plug # for those of
you with a 912UL?
Change Warp pitch back to about 11.25 degrees.
Stabilizers need to be raised 1.5" to 2".
Ellery already made me Brackets to do so.
Pay no att. to the plans!
Not a bad report for a carpenter by trade and no aircraft knowledge,
(patting self on back).
All seems good, but a little anticlimatic since I can't fly yet.
I may get a legal ride in a few days soon as the wrinkles are ironed
out.
Vic
Maine
E002VP
do not archive
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Do you have a photo to post?
lb-List: NewbornTo: kolb-list@matronics.com
The future N740VP MKIIIXTRA had her maiden test flight on 9/9/07 at 6:45 ES
T. After 14 yrs. of owning but only 2 of building. 591 lbs.empty, no fuel,
engine wet.
Ellery stretched my boat trailer in 2 directions, built wing supports and b
alanced the carbs.
He the took it for a short test flight.
Need a little rudder trim (New that)
Need to balance cheap ass Carlisle tires.
Change plugs. Replacing with NGK DCPR7E (what was in it when it came back f
rom Lockwood. Does that sound like the right plug # for those of you with a
912UL?
Change Warp pitch back to about 11.25 degrees.
Stabilizers need to be raised 1.5" to 2".
Ellery already made me Brackets to do so.
Pay no att. to the plans!
Not a bad report for a carpenter by trade and no aircraft knowledge, (patti
ng self on back).
All seems good, but a little anticlimatic since I can't fly yet.
I may get a legal ride in a few days soon as the wrinkles are ironed out.
Vic
Maine
E002VP
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
Hi Grant,
I have a Firestar II and it weighs in at 333lbs. It has a 447, two 5 gallon tanks,
mechanical brakes and a manual (recoil) starter.
My Firestar II is a basic version so that may be why the weight is what it is.
I just did the weight and balance for the ELSA application so the numbers are
accurate.
The Second Seat is really small and would not be very comfortable for any length
of time.
I would recommend you consider a Mk III or a Kolbra for a more realistic two place
Kolb.
Carlos Grageda
AKA BaronVonEvil
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
Grant,
I built a Mk-3 classic with hydraulic brakes, 17" tall tires, full
enclosure, 690L-70 engine, (similar in weight to a 582Rotax), silver coat
under the polytone paint and its empty weight is 475lbs.
I listed the gross weight as 1000lbs but could have listed it as high as
1200lbs as some builders do.
I weigh 185 pounds and have flown passengers up to 250 pounds with no
trouble at all.
I have also set in the back seat of a Firestar 2 and it is super tight for
my 6' frame.
The Firestar is a GREAT aircraft but the jump seat is more suitable for
small folks and extra baggage than for full size adults.
If you want a true two seat Kolb you want one of the Mk-3 models or a
Kolbra.
Denny Rowe.
Western PA, Mk-3 N616DR
----- Original Message -----
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:36 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options?
>
> Wow this is not sounding good for flying 2.
>
> This one has mechanical brakes also.
>
> Lucien,
>
> Your plane is 440# with no BRS or other options? Wow So this one must be
> heavier.
>
> Any idea what a BRS weights. I think its around 28#
>
> Keep those weights and options coming!
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134172#134172
>
>
> --
> 9/12/2007 5:22 PM
>
>
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Congratulations Vic, sounds like a real nice plane.
Keep us posted on your performance numbers as the testing goes forward.
Denny Rowe
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Peters
To: Kolb list
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Newborn
The future N740VP MKIIIXTRA had her maiden test flight on 9/9/07 at
6:45 EST. After 14 yrs. of owning but only 2 of building. 591 lbs.empty,
no fuel, engine wet.
Ellery stretched my boat trailer in 2 directions, built wing supports
and balanced the carbs.
He the took it for a short test flight.
Need a little rudder trim (New that)
Need to balance cheap ass Carlisle tires.
Change plugs. Replacing with NGK DCPR7E (what was in it when it came
back from Lockwood. Does that sound like the right plug # for those of
you with a 912UL?
Change Warp pitch back to about 11.25 degrees.
Stabilizers need to be raised 1.5" to 2".
Ellery already made me Brackets to do so.
Pay no att. to the plans!
Not a bad report for a carpenter by trade and no aircraft knowledge,
(patting self on back).
All seems good, but a little anticlimatic since I can't fly yet.
I may get a legal ride in a few days soon as the wrinkles are ironed
out.
Vic
Maine
E002VP
do not archive
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9/12/2007 5:22 PM
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
Grant
If you think the FirestarII is really a two place airplane your only kidding
your self. It is a wonderful airplane for one person and a child. It CAN be
used in a pinch for two adults if they are light enough, if the empty weight
is low enough, and the air is smooth but not on a regular basis. I you need
a two passenger airplane then get one.
Most airplanes are marginal with every seat full, GA airplanes are even
worse. I own a MKIIIC which is a two place airplane. Since I'm 205 Lbs I
have to be careful with my passenger weight. Also just like their owners
airplanes tend to gain weight as the get older.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:05 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options?
>
> I have some questions that I need answered ASAP. I have plans to buy a
> Kolb Firestar II this Saturday. When I talked to the guy I was under the
> impression that this plane would carry two normal sized adults. Now I am
> concerned that this plane might not work. This is a 2000 year kit finished
> in 2004 with a rotax 503 electric start, Ivo 3 blade prop, hotbox, BRS,
> strobes and Battery.
>
> Kolb?Ts website says max gross weight is 725# I talked to Travis at Kolb
> and he said its now 760# . The designer of the plane in Canada did not
> know the weight was raised.
>
> I want to convert the plane to 2 seat by installing the sling seat however
> I believe it?Ts going to be over gross weight with 2 normal sized people.
> Kolb did not recommend going over gross weight.
>
> Max weight of 2 pilots would not exceed 340#
>
> The guy told me the plane with him in it full of fuel(10gallons) weights
> 630 to 640#. I can?Tt remember exactly but it was over 600. He said he
> weight 150# and 10 gallons of fuel should be about 60#.
> When I asked him he said the weight might have been off on the scales?
>
>
> Will you guys give me the empty weight of your Kolb FirestarII?Ts along
> with what options you have on the plane?
>
>
> What do you guys thing should I go with two seats on this one or get a
> Mark III?
>
> Travis at Kolb told me their FirestarII Weighs 325# empty but it does not
> have a BRS, electric start, a Battery or much of anything.
>
>
> Thanks,
> Grant
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134141#134141
>
>
>
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| Subject: | M3X Wing Support Brackets |
Tony:
A couple of solutions are in the Trailering a Kolb section of my website:
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
Steven Green's is particularly neat, no matter where/how you have to move a
folded Kolb.
George Alexander
Firestar II N709FS
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tony malins
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:21 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: M3X Wing Support Brackets
I recently saw a handy rig for supporting the wings of the Mk3X in the
folded position, but can't find it now. Does anyone have any drawings of
something like this?
Thanks
Tony
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all the tools to get online.
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Vic
Congratulations.
Can I assume you don't have you pilots license yet? As for legal it seem
like the regs. say no passenger during the 40hr test period. Sorry. Get
signed off for solo then give it a go. Please get training is a LSA
airplane before flying your newborn. If you get training in a GA
airplane use lots of power on landing till you get used to the lack of
inertia. Also don't do crow hops.
I would recommend you hit the brakes after takeoff or get expensive
aircraft tires. I have the same tires and yes they vibrate a bit in the
air. I don't like to add any weight not necessary.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Vic Peters
To: Kolb list
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:52 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Newborn
The future N740VP MKIIIXTRA had her maiden test flight on 9/9/07 at
6:45 EST. After 14 yrs. of owning but only 2 of building. 591 lbs.empty,
no fuel, engine wet.
Ellery stretched my boat trailer in 2 directions, built wing supports
and balanced the carbs.
He the took it for a short test flight.
Need a little rudder trim (New that)
Need to balance cheap ass Carlisle tires.
Change plugs. Replacing with NGK DCPR7E (what was in it when it came
back from Lockwood. Does that sound like the right plug # for those of
you with a 912UL?
Change Warp pitch back to about 11.25 degrees.
Stabilizers need to be raised 1.5" to 2".
Ellery already made me Brackets to do so.
Pay no att. to the plans!
Not a bad report for a carpenter by trade and no aircraft knowledge,
(patting self on back).
All seems good, but a little anticlimatic since I can't fly yet.
I may get a legal ride in a few days soon as the wrinkles are ironed
out.
Vic
Maine
E002VP
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
rowedenny(at)windstream.n wrote:
>
>
>
> The Firestar is a GREAT aircraft but the jump seat is more suitable for
> small folks and extra baggage than for full size adults.
> If you want a true two seat Kolb you want one of the Mk-3 models or a
> Kolbra.
>
> Denny Rowe.
> Western PA, Mk-3 N616DR
> ---
Grant:
I would echo what Denny (and others) said (particularly that the "....Firestar
is a GREAT aircraft...")
Mine is 406 empty. 503 DCDI, C box, Powerfin 3 prop, BRS, EIS, ASI, compass, mech
brakes, NO starter, small battery for accessories.
The W&B dictated that with 10 gallons of fuel and a 170 # pilot, the max for the
rear seat was 112 #. (If I could get down to 170, I might be able to attract
a 112 # passenger. See image attached for the best I could do. :D )
If you are really interested in carrying a passenger, go for the legit 2 place
Kolb. MK III's or Kolbra.
My 2 cents worth.....
--------
George Alexander
http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
In a message dated 9/12/2007 11:06:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
grant_richardson25@yahoo.com writes:
What do you guys thing should I go with two seats on this one or get a Mark
III?
My FS II, which is kinda heavy at 470 wet, flew great with me in it at 270
lbs. Very good climb.
But have you tried getting two grownups in a FS II? Will be very uncomfortabl
e for the rear seater.
Get a MkIII. I would get the Xtra.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
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| Subject: | Looking for a spray paint rig solution |
Hello Everyone,
Probably by the spring I should be ready to start spraying on the polybrush, polyspray,
and polytone, onto my MkIIIc. My question to the group is what kind of
spray rig should I buy? About the least expensive rig is the Campbell Hausfeld
HV2500 High Pressure, Low Volume unit at about $300, and it goes up steeply
from there. I don't have any experience painting beyond rattle can spray paint.
Besides painting the airplane, and the occasional hobby project, this is not
something I will be using on a regular basis, so I don't feel that I can justify
spending a ton of money on a commercial rig.
I want a decent quality finish, but am not interested in entering it into Airventure
for competition. I understand that this is a fairly subjective subject,
but I would like to see what the wisdom of the group is.
I appreciate your help.
Arran J. Addington
Transportation Planner
Office of Local Programs
Suite 600, James K. Polk Building
505 Deaderick Street
Nashville, TN 37243-0341
voice: 615-253-8526
fax: 615-741-9673
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
Ditto........exactly right. Mark III Classic owner
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Thanks guys.
Now does anyone have a Mark III for sale?
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| Subject: | Looking to buy a Mark III or similar 2 place plane |
Guys I am looking for a Kolb MarkIII or similar 2 seat dual control airplane with
folding wings. I have a 8.5W X 24L X 6.25T enclosed trailer to hanger it in.
I am in Georgia.
Thanks,
Grant
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution |
I was in the same boat as you.
I bought a 115v electric 2.5HP compressor with a 8 cu ft tank that does 6 CFM at
50psi from HarborFreight for $189.
I also suggest buying 3 spray gun and or paint tanks 1 each for the PolyBrush,
PolySpray and PolyTone.
I bought 3 of the Pint sized guns for ~$9 each and one of the Quart sized guns
for larger areas ~$29.
Add some latex gloves, a good cartridge mask, quick connect fittings for the guns,
a water/air filter trap and I have a good spray system that does a great job
for around ~$300.
You should get 3 quart sized guns.
You also need to practice with the complete PolyFiber system for one patch at least
to get your guns adjusted right.
My first patch worked but is fairly ugly since you cant sand the PolyBrush and
I applied the PolyTack without smoothing it with the iron properly. Solid but
not pretty.
The next patches I have done are works of art...but it really took one time to
realize what was important in the application.
PS: Watch out for the products from Harbor Freight, most of the products comes
from China and my friend got a free live black 2" scorpion with his tool belt.
He didn't even need a coupon to get that bonus...;-)
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Ray
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
Dennis:
I know what you mean....one year the Dry Lake was not dry, so I let the Motocross,
Quad and Landsailers define the safe boundries for landing.
Ouch...that must have hurt and left a salty after taste ;-)
I also had 1/8th inch metal wire skids on my Lazair and found that after 1 landing
and 300 foot taxi to my car the metal skids were completely abraded through.....yikes
Its like 180 grit sandpaper....pity the poor motocrosser that lays a bike down
on a dry salt lake.
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Ray
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Looking for a spray paint rig solution |
Hello Everyone,
Probably by the spring I should be ready to start spraying on the
polybrush, polyspray, and polytone, onto my MkIIIc. My question to the
group is what kind of spray rig should I buy? About the least expensive
rig is the Campbell Hausfeld HV2500 High Pressure, Low Volume unit at
about $300, and it goes up steeply from there. I don't have any
experience painting beyond rattle can spray paint. Besides painting the
airplane, and the occasional hobby project, this is not something I will
be using on a regular basis, so I don't feel that I can justify spending
a ton of money on a commercial rig.
I want a decent quality finish, but am not interested in entering it
into Airventure for competition. I understand that this is a fairly
subjective subject, but I would like to see what the wisdom of the group
is.
I appreciate your help.
Arran J. Addington
Transportation Planner
Office of Local Programs
Suite 600, James K. Polk Building
505 Deaderick Street
Nashville, TN 37243-0341
voice: 615-253-8526
fax: 615-741-9673
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I'll throw my $.02 worth here...
Find someone who has experience as a sprayer...it is a skill like any
other that requires a little practice to get right. Most guys I know
that can do it have experience messing around with hot-rods or something
and in that experience came plenty of sanding it off and trying again.
That being said...it is a lot more work to sand down a bad spray job on
an airplane and the extra coats to try and get it right get heavy and
expensive. I don't consider an airplane project a good place to "learn"
how to spray.
Second point here...you can build the most perfect Kolb ever built,
accurate in every way down to the nearest thousandth then put the best
fabric job ever put on an airplane as well...if you put a crappy coat of
paint on it people will always give it a slant-eye kind of look , like
"You actually fly in that thing?". I know from whence I speak.
The money you would spend on the equipment and calling in a couple of
favors might get you a good looking paint job. Ask around the EAA
chapters or the local ultralight strips...
Also you will have to build a good place to spray if you want a good
finish...yes I know people who have sprayed outside or in make-shift
booths and get away with it, but IMHO it is the exception not the rule.
A good spray booth with proper lighting and ventilation makes all the
difference in the world.
THAT BEING SAID...if your willing to waste a little paint and time on
some practice pieces or maybe repaint the old clunker car for a practice
job you could learn a new skill...some people pick it up quick and paint
like DaVinci !!!
Jeremy
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Here in Kaliforna the revenooers go by your sales reciept for value.
If you don't have one they value it as corporate lear jet and make you fight them
for a year to justify the actual value.
Even my pile of parts that I bought as an airplane has qualified me for a $250
"Use" tax even though I can not USE it until I finish building it......jeez....I
hate those bullies!
I got lucky with my glider as I was able to quote their own regulations back to
them and prove my glider was not an aircraft by their definition, which included
an engine.
My pile of parts though has an engine so I'm up the outhouse without a roll of
paper on that one.
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Ray
Riverside County, CA
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Congratulations Vic and thanks for letting me test Fly it. You did a hell of
a nice job on it We will be flying all over creation together when I get my
xtra Built and flying
Ellery In Maine
exchanging Flying Firestar for MK3xtra Kit
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| Subject: | Looking to buy a Mark III or similar 2 place plane |
I've seen some great deals on www.Barnstormers.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Lo
oking to buy a Mark III or similar 2 place plane> From: grant_richardson25@
yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:22:46 -0700> To: kolb-list@matronics.c
om>> > Guys I am looking for a Kolb MarkIII or similar 2 seat dual control
airplane with folding wings. I have a 8.5W X 24L X 6.25T enclosed trailer t
o hanger it in.> > I am in Georgia.> > Thanks,> Grant> > > > > Read this to
pic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134250#13
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution |
Campbell Hausfeld HV2500
A friend offered the use of his, I wouldn't paint an outhouse with one. Get
a good quality siphon gun (bottom feeder) with a wide spray patern. HVLP
clones dry up while your using them. You must clean after each use even of
the same product so why clean more than one?
A small touchup gun is the only extra you might want.
Dust and dirt will find poly brush no matter what. I think it even came
from other towns just to peev me off. It must be static. You'll feel that
when you wash your sufaces.I often wondered if grounding would help, never
tried it.
I ironed the dust flat with a teflon sheet, go ahead laugh, it worked.
I practiced on the bottom sides. They came out perfect.
Then turned them over and proceeded screw up the part that showed.
Vic
Maine
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I do have a photo or 2 but someone with a Mac gave me a bug and
Photoshop doesn't open to let me downsize the Pic. Later maybe. I also
have video of the first flight, in my mind that is. I forgot to push the
big orange record button.
And some one wants to know if I have a license, pretty scarry thought
eh!
Vic
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Thanks Richard (and everyone else)
Your right about hitting the brakes after takeoff, thats what Ellery
also sugested.
It's future N740VP, currently E002VP.
I don't need no steeeenking license to ride (train) with my UL
instructor
My reg. is in but I have not recieved it yet.
I definately wont be a flyin without some trainin. I just wanted some
time to work out the bugs before the airworthines inspection. The regs
do say to have a complete and ready to fly craft.
Vic
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All,
Which is the lesser of evils to correct toe in on one side, drill a 3rd,
yes 3rd hole in the gear leg socket, or bend gear and or axle socket?
And if the latter, how?
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution |
Arran,
I live in Lebanon and I`m going to be spraying a wing this weekend, buy
my stuff at Harbor Freight and works fine after a little practice id love
to come see yours.
Wade
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| Subject: | Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? |
Maybe my Mark III Classic will be for sale in a few months. a/c 916,
722-9692
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