---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 09/13/07: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:39 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (Thom Riddle) 2. 04:53 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (Larry Bourne) 3. 05:25 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (lucien) 4. 05:36 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (grantr) 5. 05:52 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (lucien) 6. 06:20 AM - Larry Bourne (lucien) 7. 06:52 AM - Newborn (Vic Peters) 8. 07:46 AM - Re: Newborn (David Key) 9. 08:05 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (The BaronVonEvil) 10. 08:05 AM - Re: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (Denny Rowe) 11. 08:11 AM - Re: Newborn (Denny Rowe) 12. 08:12 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 13. 08:12 AM - Re: M3X Wing Support Brackets (George T. Alexander, Jr.) 14. 08:31 AM - Re: Newborn (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 15. 08:47 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (George Alexander) 16. 10:38 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (HShack@aol.com) 17. 11:15 AM - Looking for a spray paint rig solution (Arran Addington) 18. 11:59 AM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (APilot@webtv.net) 19. 12:19 PM - Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (grantr) 20. 12:22 PM - Looking to buy a Mark III or similar 2 place plane (grantr) 21. 12:26 PM - Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution (jb92563) 22. 12:58 PM - Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air (jb92563) 23. 01:20 PM - Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution (Jeremy Casey) 24. 01:28 PM - Re: Bad Possum (jb92563) 25. 02:04 PM - Re: Newborn (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 26. 02:31 PM - Re: Looking to buy a Mark III or similar 2 place plane (David Key) 27. 05:00 PM - Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution (Vic Peters) 28. 05:11 PM - Re: Newborn (Vic Peters) 29. 05:26 PM - Re: Newborn (Vic Peters) 30. 05:32 PM - Toe in Fix (Vic Peters) 31. 06:47 PM - Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution (Wade Lawicki) 32. 09:30 PM - Re: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? (APilot@webtv.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? From: "Thom Riddle" Grant, I think most Firestar IIs are heavier than the 360# empty weight that your situation would require. (760-60-340=360) The empty weight on the Firestar II you are thinking of buying must be shown on the weight and balance paperwork if the airplane is registered and has an airworthiness certificate. Unless you weigh it yourself, you won't be certain that its current weight is what is on the paperwork, since mods or additional equipment may have been added since it was registered. For what it is worth, my Firestar I weighs 362 lb. empty with BRS, ten gallon tank, and hydraulic brakes, according to the W&B paperwork done by the builder. Its alleged weight is heaver than most early single seat Firestars for reasons unknown to me. I won't know its actual weight until after I finish the repairs needed from the recent accident, and weigh it myself. -------- Thom in Buffalo N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Setting an example is not the main means of influencing another, it is the only means." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134165#134165 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:11 AM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? grantr wrote: > > I have some questions that I need answered ASAP. I have plans to buy a Kolb Firestar II this Saturday. When I talked to the guy I was under the impression that this plane would carry two normal sized adults. Now I am concerned that this plane might not work. This is a 2000 year kit finished in 2004 with a rotax 503 electric start, Ivo 3 blade prop, hotbox, BRS, strobes and Battery. > > Kolbs website says max gross weight is 725# I talked to Travis at Kolb and he said its now 760# . The designer of the plane in Canada did not know the weight was raised. > > I want to convert the plane to 2 seat by installing the sling seat however I believe its going to be over gross weight with 2 normal sized people. Kolb did not recommend going over gross weight. > > Max weight of 2 pilots would not exceed 340# > > The guy told me the plane with him in it full of fuel(10gallons) weights 630 to 640#. I cant remember exactly but it was over 600. He said he weight 150# and 10 gallons of fuel should be about 60#. > When I asked him he said the weight might have been off on the scales? > > > Will you guys give me the empty weight of your Kolb FirestarIIs along with what options you have on the plane? > > > What do you guys thing should I go with two seats on this one or get a Mark III? > > Travis at Kolb told me their FirestarII Weighs 325# empty but it does not have a BRS, electric start, a Battery or much of anything. > > > Thanks, > Grant > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134141#134141 > > > In a FS II, the back seat passenger is going to be very cramped. I've flown in the back seat of 2, with 2 different sized pilots........the flying part was fun, the seating was misery. I'd do it again, but if there's any options I'd look them over. Lar. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:28 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? From: "lucien" Mine, according to the data plate, is 440 lbs empty. According to the weight and balance, I could carry around 60 to 70lbs in the back seat before hitting gross wt (750lbs). Mine has no options other than the C box and RK-400 clutch, which add about 10lbs over what just a B box would be. The builder had to add some ballast to the front to get the W&B to come out right (I beleve it was 10lbs, but how much isn't specified in the logbooks). I think the most the plane could lose if I went to a B box and removed the ballast is about 20 to 25lbs... So it's still a pretty heavy plane if the typical empty weight is 325 or thereabouts. Doesn't fly like it's heavy though..... LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134169#134169 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:39 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? From: "grantr" Wow this is not sounding good for flying 2. This one has mechanical brakes also. Lucien, Your plane is 440# with no BRS or other options? Wow So this one must be heavier. Any idea what a BRS weights. I think its around 28# Keep those weights and options coming! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134172#134172 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? From: "lucien" grantr wrote: > Wow this is not sounding good for flying 2. > > This one has mechanical brakes also. > > Lucien, > > Your plane is 440# with no BRS or other options? Wow So this one must be heavier. > > Any idea what a BRS weights. I think its around 28# > > Keep those weights and options coming! That's with the VLS BRS that the plane was originally certificated with. I currently have the BRS off the plane - it's out of date and frankly I'm more worried about dying due to accidental firing of the chute than any failure of that Kolb airframe - but according to the label on the chute the all up weight of it is 17 lbs. IMO, the FS II is pretty much a single-place plane. A couple friends of mine in TX had one and flew it dual on a regular basis, but I don't know what their plane weighed. The original builder told me he couldn't see how you could build the plane any lighter than that. Mine really is bare bones and he did the Stitts process on the fabric absolutely to the letter (came out beautiful too, still looks like a brand new paint job 10 years later), but the plane was still more than 400lbs before he added the ballast. But even with full 10gals of gas, my 195lbs and 9000' density altitude, it gets off the ground and climbs out about 300 fpm or so. So it doesn't _fly_ overweight by any means (solo anyway)..... LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134176#134176 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Larry Bourne From: "lucien" Larry, Could you contact me offlist at your convenience? I'm at lstavenhagen@hotmail.com Thanks, LS Do Not Archive -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134181#134181 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:52 AM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Kolb-List: Newborn The future N740VP MKIIIXTRA had her maiden test flight on 9/9/07 at 6:45 EST. After 14 yrs. of owning but only 2 of building. 591 lbs.empty, no fuel, engine wet. Ellery stretched my boat trailer in 2 directions, built wing supports and balanced the carbs. He the took it for a short test flight. Need a little rudder trim (New that) Need to balance cheap ass Carlisle tires. Change plugs. Replacing with NGK DCPR7E (what was in it when it came back from Lockwood. Does that sound like the right plug # for those of you with a 912UL? Change Warp pitch back to about 11.25 degrees. Stabilizers need to be raised 1.5" to 2". Ellery already made me Brackets to do so. Pay no att. to the plans! Not a bad report for a carpenter by trade and no aircraft knowledge, (patting self on back). All seems good, but a little anticlimatic since I can't fly yet. I may get a legal ride in a few days soon as the wrinkles are ironed out. Vic Maine E002VP do not archive ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:34 AM PST US From: David Key Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Newborn Do you have a photo to post? lb-List: NewbornTo: kolb-list@matronics.com The future N740VP MKIIIXTRA had her maiden test flight on 9/9/07 at 6:45 ES T. After 14 yrs. of owning but only 2 of building. 591 lbs.empty, no fuel, engine wet. Ellery stretched my boat trailer in 2 directions, built wing supports and b alanced the carbs. He the took it for a short test flight. Need a little rudder trim (New that) Need to balance cheap ass Carlisle tires. Change plugs. Replacing with NGK DCPR7E (what was in it when it came back f rom Lockwood. Does that sound like the right plug # for those of you with a 912UL? Change Warp pitch back to about 11.25 degrees. Stabilizers need to be raised 1.5" to 2". Ellery already made me Brackets to do so. Pay no att. to the plans! Not a bad report for a carpenter by trade and no aircraft knowledge, (patti ng self on back). All seems good, but a little anticlimatic since I can't fly yet. I may get a legal ride in a few days soon as the wrinkles are ironed out. Vic Maine E002VP do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? From: "The BaronVonEvil" Hi Grant, I have a Firestar II and it weighs in at 333lbs. It has a 447, two 5 gallon tanks, mechanical brakes and a manual (recoil) starter. My Firestar II is a basic version so that may be why the weight is what it is. I just did the weight and balance for the ELSA application so the numbers are accurate. The Second Seat is really small and would not be very comfortable for any length of time. I would recommend you consider a Mk III or a Kolbra for a more realistic two place Kolb. Carlos Grageda AKA BaronVonEvil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134203#134203 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:54 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? Grant, I built a Mk-3 classic with hydraulic brakes, 17" tall tires, full enclosure, 690L-70 engine, (similar in weight to a 582Rotax), silver coat under the polytone paint and its empty weight is 475lbs. I listed the gross weight as 1000lbs but could have listed it as high as 1200lbs as some builders do. I weigh 185 pounds and have flown passengers up to 250 pounds with no trouble at all. I have also set in the back seat of a Firestar 2 and it is super tight for my 6' frame. The Firestar is a GREAT aircraft but the jump seat is more suitable for small folks and extra baggage than for full size adults. If you want a true two seat Kolb you want one of the Mk-3 models or a Kolbra. Denny Rowe. Western PA, Mk-3 N616DR ----- Original Message ----- From: "grantr" Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 8:36 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? > > Wow this is not sounding good for flying 2. > > This one has mechanical brakes also. > > Lucien, > > Your plane is 440# with no BRS or other options? Wow So this one must be > heavier. > > Any idea what a BRS weights. I think its around 28# > > Keep those weights and options coming! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134172#134172 > > > -- > 9/12/2007 5:22 PM > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:16 AM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Newborn Congratulations Vic, sounds like a real nice plane. Keep us posted on your performance numbers as the testing goes forward. Denny Rowe ----- Original Message ----- From: Vic Peters To: Kolb list Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Newborn The future N740VP MKIIIXTRA had her maiden test flight on 9/9/07 at 6:45 EST. After 14 yrs. of owning but only 2 of building. 591 lbs.empty, no fuel, engine wet. Ellery stretched my boat trailer in 2 directions, built wing supports and balanced the carbs. He the took it for a short test flight. Need a little rudder trim (New that) Need to balance cheap ass Carlisle tires. Change plugs. Replacing with NGK DCPR7E (what was in it when it came back from Lockwood. Does that sound like the right plug # for those of you with a 912UL? Change Warp pitch back to about 11.25 degrees. Stabilizers need to be raised 1.5" to 2". Ellery already made me Brackets to do so. Pay no att. to the plans! Not a bad report for a carpenter by trade and no aircraft knowledge, (patting self on back). All seems good, but a little anticlimatic since I can't fly yet. I may get a legal ride in a few days soon as the wrinkles are ironed out. Vic Maine E002VP do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 9/12/2007 5:22 PM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:09 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? Grant If you think the FirestarII is really a two place airplane your only kidding your self. It is a wonderful airplane for one person and a child. It CAN be used in a pinch for two adults if they are light enough, if the empty weight is low enough, and the air is smooth but not on a regular basis. I you need a two passenger airplane then get one. Most airplanes are marginal with every seat full, GA airplanes are even worse. I own a MKIIIC which is a two place airplane. Since I'm 205 Lbs I have to be careful with my passenger weight. Also just like their owners airplanes tend to gain weight as the get older. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "grantr" Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:05 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? > > I have some questions that I need answered ASAP. I have plans to buy a > Kolb Firestar II this Saturday. When I talked to the guy I was under the > impression that this plane would carry two normal sized adults. Now I am > concerned that this plane might not work. This is a 2000 year kit finished > in 2004 with a rotax 503 electric start, Ivo 3 blade prop, hotbox, BRS, > strobes and Battery. > > Kolb?Ts website says max gross weight is 725# I talked to Travis at Kolb > and he said its now 760# . The designer of the plane in Canada did not > know the weight was raised. > > I want to convert the plane to 2 seat by installing the sling seat however > I believe it?Ts going to be over gross weight with 2 normal sized people. > Kolb did not recommend going over gross weight. > > Max weight of 2 pilots would not exceed 340# > > The guy told me the plane with him in it full of fuel(10gallons) weights > 630 to 640#. I can?Tt remember exactly but it was over 600. He said he > weight 150# and 10 gallons of fuel should be about 60#. > When I asked him he said the weight might have been off on the scales? > > > Will you guys give me the empty weight of your Kolb FirestarII?Ts along > with what options you have on the plane? > > > What do you guys thing should I go with two seats on this one or get a > Mark III? > > Travis at Kolb told me their FirestarII Weighs 325# empty but it does not > have a BRS, electric start, a Battery or much of anything. > > > Thanks, > Grant > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134141#134141 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:45 AM PST US From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: M3X Wing Support Brackets Tony: A couple of solutions are in the Trailering a Kolb section of my website: http://gtalexander.home.att.net Steven Green's is particularly neat, no matter where/how you have to move a folded Kolb. George Alexander Firestar II N709FS DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tony malins Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 12:21 AM Subject: Kolb-List: M3X Wing Support Brackets I recently saw a handy rig for supporting the wings of the Mk3X in the folded position, but can't find it now. Does anyone have any drawings of something like this? Thanks Tony _____ all the tools to get online. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:51 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Newborn Vic Congratulations. Can I assume you don't have you pilots license yet? As for legal it seem like the regs. say no passenger during the 40hr test period. Sorry. Get signed off for solo then give it a go. Please get training is a LSA airplane before flying your newborn. If you get training in a GA airplane use lots of power on landing till you get used to the lack of inertia. Also don't do crow hops. I would recommend you hit the brakes after takeoff or get expensive aircraft tires. I have the same tires and yes they vibrate a bit in the air. I don't like to add any weight not necessary. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Vic Peters To: Kolb list Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 9:52 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Newborn The future N740VP MKIIIXTRA had her maiden test flight on 9/9/07 at 6:45 EST. After 14 yrs. of owning but only 2 of building. 591 lbs.empty, no fuel, engine wet. Ellery stretched my boat trailer in 2 directions, built wing supports and balanced the carbs. He the took it for a short test flight. Need a little rudder trim (New that) Need to balance cheap ass Carlisle tires. Change plugs. Replacing with NGK DCPR7E (what was in it when it came back from Lockwood. Does that sound like the right plug # for those of you with a 912UL? Change Warp pitch back to about 11.25 degrees. Stabilizers need to be raised 1.5" to 2". Ellery already made me Brackets to do so. Pay no att. to the plans! Not a bad report for a carpenter by trade and no aircraft knowledge, (patting self on back). All seems good, but a little anticlimatic since I can't fly yet. I may get a legal ride in a few days soon as the wrinkles are ironed out. Vic Maine E002VP do not archive ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:33 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? From: "George Alexander" rowedenny(at)windstream.n wrote: > > > > The Firestar is a GREAT aircraft but the jump seat is more suitable for > small folks and extra baggage than for full size adults. > If you want a true two seat Kolb you want one of the Mk-3 models or a > Kolbra. > > Denny Rowe. > Western PA, Mk-3 N616DR > --- Grant: I would echo what Denny (and others) said (particularly that the "....Firestar is a GREAT aircraft...") Mine is 406 empty. 503 DCDI, C box, Powerfin 3 prop, BRS, EIS, ASI, compass, mech brakes, NO starter, small battery for accessories. The W&B dictated that with 10 gallons of fuel and a 170 # pilot, the max for the rear seat was 112 #. (If I could get down to 170, I might be able to attract a 112 # passenger. See image attached for the best I could do. :D ) If you are really interested in carrying a passenger, go for the legit 2 place Kolb. MK III's or Kolbra. My 2 cents worth..... -------- George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134213#134213 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/begging_for_a_ride_416.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:20 AM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? In a message dated 9/12/2007 11:06:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, grant_richardson25@yahoo.com writes: What do you guys thing should I go with two seats on this one or get a Mark III? My FS II, which is kinda heavy at 470 wet, flew great with me in it at 270 lbs. Very good climb. But have you tried getting two grownups in a FS II? Will be very uncomfortabl e for the rear seater. Get a MkIII. I would get the Xtra. Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:03 AM PST US From: "Arran Addington" Subject: Kolb-List: Looking for a spray paint rig solution Hello Everyone, Probably by the spring I should be ready to start spraying on the polybrush, polyspray, and polytone, onto my MkIIIc. My question to the group is what kind of spray rig should I buy? About the least expensive rig is the Campbell Hausfeld HV2500 High Pressure, Low Volume unit at about $300, and it goes up steeply from there. I don't have any experience painting beyond rattle can spray paint. Besides painting the airplane, and the occasional hobby project, this is not something I will be using on a regular basis, so I don't feel that I can justify spending a ton of money on a commercial rig. I want a decent quality finish, but am not interested in entering it into Airventure for competition. I understand that this is a fairly subjective subject, but I would like to see what the wisdom of the group is. I appreciate your help. Arran J. Addington Transportation Planner Office of Local Programs Suite 600, James K. Polk Building 505 Deaderick Street Nashville, TN 37243-0341 voice: 615-253-8526 fax: 615-741-9673 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:04 AM PST US From: APilot@webtv.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? Ditto........exactly right. Mark III Classic owner ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:49 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? From: "grantr" Thanks guys. Now does anyone have a Mark III for sale? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134249#134249 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:57 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Looking to buy a Mark III or similar 2 place plane From: "grantr" Guys I am looking for a Kolb MarkIII or similar 2 seat dual control airplane with folding wings. I have a 8.5W X 24L X 6.25T enclosed trailer to hanger it in. I am in Georgia. Thanks, Grant Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134250#134250 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:26:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution From: "jb92563" I was in the same boat as you. I bought a 115v electric 2.5HP compressor with a 8 cu ft tank that does 6 CFM at 50psi from HarborFreight for $189. I also suggest buying 3 spray gun and or paint tanks 1 each for the PolyBrush, PolySpray and PolyTone. I bought 3 of the Pint sized guns for ~$9 each and one of the Quart sized guns for larger areas ~$29. Add some latex gloves, a good cartridge mask, quick connect fittings for the guns, a water/air filter trap and I have a good spray system that does a great job for around ~$300. You should get 3 quart sized guns. You also need to practice with the complete PolyFiber system for one patch at least to get your guns adjusted right. My first patch worked but is fairly ugly since you cant sand the PolyBrush and I applied the PolyTack without smoothing it with the iron properly. Solid but not pretty. The next patches I have done are works of art...but it really took one time to realize what was important in the application. PS: Watch out for the products from Harbor Freight, most of the products comes from China and my friend got a free live black 2" scorpion with his tool belt. He didn't even need a coupon to get that bonus...;-) -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134252#134252 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:58:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air From: "jb92563" Dennis: I know what you mean....one year the Dry Lake was not dry, so I let the Motocross, Quad and Landsailers define the safe boundries for landing. Ouch...that must have hurt and left a salty after taste ;-) I also had 1/8th inch metal wire skids on my Lazair and found that after 1 landing and 300 foot taxi to my car the metal skids were completely abraded through.....yikes Its like 180 grit sandpaper....pity the poor motocrosser that lays a bike down on a dry salt lake. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134257#134257 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:20:55 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy@kilocharlie.us> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Looking for a spray paint rig solution Hello Everyone, Probably by the spring I should be ready to start spraying on the polybrush, polyspray, and polytone, onto my MkIIIc. My question to the group is what kind of spray rig should I buy? About the least expensive rig is the Campbell Hausfeld HV2500 High Pressure, Low Volume unit at about $300, and it goes up steeply from there. I don't have any experience painting beyond rattle can spray paint. Besides painting the airplane, and the occasional hobby project, this is not something I will be using on a regular basis, so I don't feel that I can justify spending a ton of money on a commercial rig. I want a decent quality finish, but am not interested in entering it into Airventure for competition. I understand that this is a fairly subjective subject, but I would like to see what the wisdom of the group is. I appreciate your help. Arran J. Addington Transportation Planner Office of Local Programs Suite 600, James K. Polk Building 505 Deaderick Street Nashville, TN 37243-0341 voice: 615-253-8526 fax: 615-741-9673 I'll throw my $.02 worth here... Find someone who has experience as a sprayer...it is a skill like any other that requires a little practice to get right. Most guys I know that can do it have experience messing around with hot-rods or something and in that experience came plenty of sanding it off and trying again. That being said...it is a lot more work to sand down a bad spray job on an airplane and the extra coats to try and get it right get heavy and expensive. I don't consider an airplane project a good place to "learn" how to spray. Second point here...you can build the most perfect Kolb ever built, accurate in every way down to the nearest thousandth then put the best fabric job ever put on an airplane as well...if you put a crappy coat of paint on it people will always give it a slant-eye kind of look , like "You actually fly in that thing?". I know from whence I speak. The money you would spend on the equipment and calling in a couple of favors might get you a good looking paint job. Ask around the EAA chapters or the local ultralight strips... Also you will have to build a good place to spray if you want a good finish...yes I know people who have sprayed outside or in make-shift booths and get away with it, but IMHO it is the exception not the rule. A good spray booth with proper lighting and ventilation makes all the difference in the world. THAT BEING SAID...if your willing to waste a little paint and time on some practice pieces or maybe repaint the old clunker car for a practice job you could learn a new skill...some people pick it up quick and paint like DaVinci !!! Jeremy ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Bad Possum From: "jb92563" Here in Kaliforna the revenooers go by your sales reciept for value. If you don't have one they value it as corporate lear jet and make you fight them for a year to justify the actual value. Even my pile of parts that I bought as an airplane has qualified me for a $250 "Use" tax even though I can not USE it until I finish building it......jeez....I hate those bullies! I got lucky with my glider as I was able to quote their own regulations back to them and prove my glider was not an aircraft by their definition, which included an engine. My pile of parts though has an engine so I'm up the outhouse without a roll of paper on that one. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134261#134261 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 02:04:43 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Newborn Congratulations Vic and thanks for letting me test Fly it. You did a hell of a nice job on it We will be flying all over creation together when I get my xtra Built and flying Ellery In Maine exchanging Flying Firestar for MK3xtra Kit do not archive ************************************** See what's new at ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:08 PM PST US From: David Key Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Looking to buy a Mark III or similar 2 place plane I've seen some great deals on www.Barnstormers.com > Subject: Kolb-List: Lo oking to buy a Mark III or similar 2 place plane> From: grant_richardson25@ yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:22:46 -0700> To: kolb-list@matronics.c om>> > Guys I am looking for a Kolb MarkIII or similar 2 seat dual control airplane with folding wings. I have a 8.5W X 24L X 6.25T enclosed trailer t o hanger it in.> > I am in Georgia.> > Thanks,> Grant> > > > > Read this to pic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134250#13 =================> > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:00:11 PM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Looking for a spray paint rig solution Campbell Hausfeld HV2500 A friend offered the use of his, I wouldn't paint an outhouse with one. Get a good quality siphon gun (bottom feeder) with a wide spray patern. HVLP clones dry up while your using them. You must clean after each use even of the same product so why clean more than one? A small touchup gun is the only extra you might want. Dust and dirt will find poly brush no matter what. I think it even came from other towns just to peev me off. It must be static. You'll feel that when you wash your sufaces.I often wondered if grounding would help, never tried it. I ironed the dust flat with a teflon sheet, go ahead laugh, it worked. I practiced on the bottom sides. They came out perfect. Then turned them over and proceeded screw up the part that showed. Vic Maine do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:11:47 PM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Newborn I do have a photo or 2 but someone with a Mac gave me a bug and Photoshop doesn't open to let me downsize the Pic. Later maybe. I also have video of the first flight, in my mind that is. I forgot to push the big orange record button. And some one wants to know if I have a license, pretty scarry thought eh! Vic do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:00 PM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Newborn Thanks Richard (and everyone else) Your right about hitting the brakes after takeoff, thats what Ellery also sugested. It's future N740VP, currently E002VP. I don't need no steeeenking license to ride (train) with my UL instructor My reg. is in but I have not recieved it yet. I definately wont be a flyin without some trainin. I just wanted some time to work out the bugs before the airworthines inspection. The regs do say to have a complete and ready to fly craft. Vic do not archive ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:15 PM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Kolb-List: Toe in Fix All, Which is the lesser of evils to correct toe in on one side, drill a 3rd, yes 3rd hole in the gear leg socket, or bend gear and or axle socket? And if the latter, how? Vic do not archive ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:35 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Looking for a spray paint rig solution From: "Wade Lawicki" Arran, I live in Lebanon and I`m going to be spraying a wing this weekend, buy my stuff at Harbor Freight and works fine after a little practice id love to come see yours. Wade Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=134308#134308 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:49 PM PST US From: APilot@webtv.net Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Urgent Kolb Firestar II Empty weights w/ options? 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