---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/18/07: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:25 AM - Re: Pilot operating handbook for an UltraStar (KolbFlyerJim@aol.com) 2. 05:15 AM - Re: Gap Seal (pat ladd) 3. 05:32 AM - bad vibes (robert bean) 4. 05:48 AM - Re: bad vibes (John Hauck) 5. 06:19 AM - Re: bad vibes (Vic Peters) 6. 07:14 AM - Re: Gap Seal (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 7. 07:24 AM - Re: bad vibes (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 8. 07:37 AM - Sep. 2007 Sport Aviation Photo (John Williamson) 9. 08:26 AM - Re: Sep. 2007 Sport Aviation Photo (N27SB@aol.com) 10. 08:28 AM - Re: Sep. 2007 Sport Aviation Photo (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 11. 09:35 AM - Re: Sep. 2007 Sport Aviation Photo (John Hauck) 12. 10:29 AM - What is the Difference btw a twinstar, mark II and Mark III? (grantr) 13. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: Gap Seal (possums) 14. 01:24 PM - Re: What is the Difference btw a twinstar, mark II and Mark III? (John Williamson) 15. 02:11 PM - Kolb Mark III For Sale (Steven Green) 16. 02:14 PM - strip (pat ladd) 17. 02:19 PM - Re: strip (N27SB@aol.com) 18. 04:15 PM - Re: bad vibes (KolbFlyerJim@aol.com) 19. 06:35 PM - Re: Firefly on Ebay (R. Hankins) 20. 06:58 PM - Re: Re: Firefly on Ebay (John Hauck) 21. 07:05 PM - Fourm (thumb) 22. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: Firefly on Ebay (John Hauck) 23. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: Firefly on Ebay (N27SB@aol.com) 24. 08:34 PM - Re: Fourm (Jim ODay) 25. 08:39 PM - Re: Gap Seal (Dana Hague) 26. 08:51 PM - Re: Gap Seal (Larry Cottrell) 27. 09:17 PM - Re: Firefly on Ebay (R. Hankins) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:25:01 AM PST US From: KolbFlyerJim@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Pilot operating handbook for an UltraStar Hi Dana IM N numbering because I have more than 5 gallons of fuel and over weight Thanks Jim ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:15:01 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gap Seal Hi, re gap seals. On my Challenger after a few times taking the gap seal off to oil the control joints and check connections on DI and putting it on again I gave up and never bothered to use it again. Never seemed to make a detectable difference but then maybe I just ham handed. The gap between the wingroots was about 10 inches. Pat do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:25 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: bad vibes Kolbers, the vibration I previously reported, more like a buzz sensation, when running at or about 5000 rpm has revealed itself to be a harmonic involving the engine/prop/ redrive combination. Not sure of the actual cause of the resonance but it hammers the prop shaft bearings, causing the stack to lose its preload. Preflight two nights ago revealed a somewhat unairworthy condition. As long as I stay away from that rpm I have no problem , but because of the gain in performance I have in going over 48-4900 I find that unacceptable. I'm installing all new shaft bearings and will try another prop, a two blade configuration 70" warp to see if there is any difference. BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:51 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bad vibes > Kolbers, the vibration I previously reported, more like a buzz > sensation, when running at or about 5000 rpm > has revealed itself to be a harmonic involving the engine/prop/ redrive > combination. > > BB Morning Bob: Sorry to hear about the harmonic problem. However, what little I am familiar with the Suzuki/Geo Metro engines on light planes, seems to indicate most have harmonic vibration and torsional vibration problems. I don't know what the answer is, but hope you get it worked out. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:00 AM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bad vibes All I also have an annoying, not sure how serious vibe when throttling back from full power around 4200 RPM. It smooths right out below 4000. Doesn't do it powering up. 912UL 70" warp, little to much pitch. What should I look for? By the way I,ve seen Ellery fly up close and real personal. I'm convinced he could fly a washing machine with a window fan for power! Vic Maine ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:52 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gap Seal I Fly an Original Firestar but I have flown the Firefly and the Mk3Xtra I think they all fly real similar to one another the original Firestar and Firefly you have to put left Rudder input with quick excelleration and the Mk3 Xtra You have to put a whole boot full of Right Rudder on take off because of Prop rotation Ellery in Maine do not archive ************************************** See what's new at ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:03 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bad vibes Vic it will be interesting what the list comes up with for an answer on that Vibration but it shure would be nice to remove it so any replys to vics Vibration would be nice and another Question Concerning the Mk3 Xtra does anyone elses Mk3 Xtra take off like a side winder Pulling to the left ? Ellery in Maine do not archive ************************************** See what's new at ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:16 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Sep. 2007 Sport Aviation Photo From: "John Williamson" Hi All, Nothing has been said about one of our own having a picture of his VW powered Kolb MarkIII Classic and him in the September 2007 issue of the EAA Sport Aviation magazine. Well done Rick. I know that you were reading the FARs. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135035#135035 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scan10014_115.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:21 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sep. 2007 Sport Aviation Photo You are right, page 54. With that table cloth over his MKIII it is hard to spot Steve Firefly 007/Floats do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:45 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sep. 2007 Sport Aviation Photo John Thanks. I missed it. After your post I went through my copy and sure enough it is me reading a good book. I read the FARs at bed time to put me to sleep. What the photo doesn't show is the lack of planes in the camp ground. Rough ground, high prices, no services, few venders, harassment they keep it up and I'll be camping there by myself. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Williamson" Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 10:37 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Sep. 2007 Sport Aviation Photo > > > Hi All, > > Nothing has been said about one of our own having a picture of his VW > powered Kolb MarkIII Classic and him in the September 2007 issue of the > EAA Sport Aviation magazine. > > Well done Rick. I know that you were reading the FARs. > > -------- > John Williamson > Arlington, TX > > Kolbra, 912ULS > http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135035#135035 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/scan10014_115.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:55 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Sep. 2007 Sport Aviation Photo > Nothing has been said about one of our own having a picture of his VW powered Kolb MarkIII Classic and him in the September 2007 issue of the EAA Sport Aviation magazine. > John Williamson Hi John W: Well, I didn't say anything about Rick's photo cause I missed it when I read my Sport Avn Mag. I can attest to the fact that Rick was studying his FAR's and Kolb MKIII Handbook. I was camped right next door to him. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:48 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: What is the Difference btw a twinstar, mark II and Mark III? From: "grantr" Will some one tell me what the difference is between the Kolb Twinstar, mark II and Mark III models? What year these were made and the main differences. Thanks, Grant Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135082#135082 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:19 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gap Seal At 11:15 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote: > >John H says: "Some low time Kolb pilots don't know the difference >between a good flying >Kolb and one that flies like a dog. " > >The bottom is OPEN. The leading edge is formed aluminum and that >extends about 12" back, but then it is open all the way to the rear. > >My question is about the open bottom. I saw it quite a challenge to >build the bottom section around the BRS, and it got harder the >further back I went. I figured the the top was the most important >and I could skip the bottom. > >Does an open bottom gap seal = a "dog" Kolb? The bottom on mine is open and just slides into the tracks on the end of the wings, held by two screws on the front. Flys fine. It's not as wide as a Mark III gap seal would be, so I don't know about those. ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: What is the Difference btw a twinstar, mark II and Mark III? From: "John Williamson" Hi Grant and All, This .pdf file is a short history of the Kolb line of aircraft. It might answer a few of your questions. -------- John Williamson Arlington, TX Kolbra, 912ULS http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135118#135118 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/kolbhistory_247.pdf ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:12 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Mark III For Sale I have decided to put my Mark III up for sale. The plane has 515 hrs on it. The engine about 460. I purchased the kits in 1999 and completed in Jan. 2001 Factory Options: Powder coating Dual hydraulic brakes BRS 1050 Dual Magnum strobes Covering kit Engine/Prop: 912S SS exhaust Ivo Medium 2 blade prop Other accessories: Custom fabricated 20 gal fuel tank Wing fold dolly and accessories Full enclosure EIS with built-in altimeter ELT Price $29,500 The attached picture was made when I had a 582 engine. I plan to be at TNK homecoming Steven Green 423-263-1614 Etowah, TN ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:35 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Kolb-List: strip In case anyone is interested. Poking round on Google I found my strip. Farmer had obviously mowed the grass as it all looks nice and neat. My hangar is the T hangar at the edge of the field, with the barn which I managed to drive into close by. All the other a/c are tucked away in the farm buildings. Try 51 21 45.37 N 2 12`19.33 W Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:41 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: strip Pat, while you are looking at the google page you can cut and paste the whole address and post a link. makes it easy to find. Steve Firefly 007/Floats do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:01 PM PST US From: KolbFlyerJim@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bad vibes Hi BB Jim here May I ask what ratio you have in the gear box? Jim ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:55 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly on Ebay From: "R. Hankins" Kolb historians: I've never seen an original firestar up close. The fuselage cage shown on E-bay is very different than the one on my KXP. Was the original Firestar that different, or is this one modified? Thanks, -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135176#135176 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:55 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly on Ebay > I've never seen an original firestar up close. The fuselage cage shown on E-bay is very different than the one on my KXP. Was the original Firestar that different, or is this one modified? > Roger in Oregon Roger: The "contraption" on EBAY being advertised as a Kolb Firestar is not one. The only thing Kolb about it is the plans. Should send the seller a note that he is falsely advertising. One of the photos is the Kolb Company Firefly. The pilot is me at Sun and Fun, Lakeland. Forget what year that was. The guy selling Don G's old Firefly also used file photos of me flying the factory Firefly. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:12 PM PST US From: "thumb" Subject: Kolb-List: Fourm Hey Guy's.... I have seen a forum that you have a passenger sign which releases you from any liability, Does any of you have a copy of that forum ? Could you e-mail it to me off list. Thanks Bill Futrell Do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:27 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly on Ebay > Should send the seller a note that he is falsely advertising. > > john h Roger: I sent the seller a note explaining he did not have a Kolb Firestar for sale, only Kolb Firestar plans. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:48 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly on Ebay Looks like a CGS Hawk Steve B Firefly 007/Floats do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fourm From: "Jim ODay" Bill: I think the form is called a Death Certificate (yours). All kidding aside, it is helpful (your death certificate), but will not keep your estate out of court. The best scenario is to have $0 in Assets or buy the highest limits of insurance you can afford for liability. Leave them on the ground if you do not have that covered. I have one of those "release" forms someplace, I will try to find it and post it. I really do not think it would keep me out of court, so I have not used it. I think if you look at the Young Eagles site, there may be some language that may be helpful too. Jim do not archive -------- Jim O'Day Fargo, ND Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135201#135201 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:40 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gap Seal At 11:12 PM 9/17/2007, Richard Girard wrote: >...With a gap seal, you have two wing tip vortices, without, you have >four. On top of that the two inner vortices interfere with each other by >spinning in opposite directions. >The two wings flying side by side have half the aspect ratio of the full >wing so a much larger percentage of each wing is involved in spanwise >flow. The net result is not just more than twice the induced drag, but a >significant reduction in lift, too. I don't think you'd have twice the induced drag, the vortices going in opposite direction would tend to cancel each other out, somewhat... but I can see that it still could be signfiicant. More significant, perhaps, may be the disturbance of the airflow over the tail and/or through the prop (the latter may be more significant on the low boom Kolbs than on my US with its prop completely under the wing). What's odd is the number of people who say it makes no difference at all? Anyway, I figure it's worth putting it on... once I get familiar with the plane I might try it without it to see the difference. My thought is to use .040" clear vinyl sheet, velcroed to the wings and wrapping all the way around, and secured with cords where it breaks for the cage structure. Quick and easy, and since it wraps all the way around and attaches to itself, no chance of it coming off and going through the prop. Comments? -Dana -- -- "Calvin, we will not have an anatomically correct snowman!" ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:34 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Gap Seal > What's odd is the number of people who say it makes no difference at all? > > Anyway, I figure it's worth putting it on... once I get familiar with the > plane I might try it without it to see the difference. I find it odd that people say that it makes no difference as well. I have flown Mark III with gap seal ( mine) and another when I was getting my Ultralight pilots lic with no gap seal and the one with no seal flew like a dog. It was a bear to land, stall was about 60 or more with flaps. I attempted to try to convince the guy to put one on. He would not. I believe it is scrap parts now. Larry C do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:41 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly on Ebay From: "R. Hankins" Thanks for the confirmation. My first inclination was to send the guy a nastygram, but just in case, I thought I would check with the list first. I was thinking CGS Hawk as well, what with the ugly nose. They always remind me of an old sore head salmon. The wing roots in the ad look strange as well. Sleep deprived, but enjoying being a dad. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135209#135209 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.