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1. 03:16 AM - Re: strip (pat ladd)
2. 04:36 AM - 582 ignition trigger wires (Denny Rowe)
3. 04:57 AM - Ultrastar questions (Dana Hague)
4. 05:10 AM - Re: 582 ignition trigger wires (Jim Kmet)
5. 05:46 AM - Re: bad vibes (robert bean)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: 582 ignition trigger wires (John Hauck)
7. 07:25 AM - Re: Gap Seal (GeoR38@aol.com)
8. 07:52 AM - Re: Firefly on Ebay (David Kulp)
9. 09:42 AM - Re: 582 ignition trigger wires (Jim Kmet)
10. 10:16 AM - Re: 582 ignition trigger wires (Denny Rowe)
11. 10:19 AM - Re: Ultrastar questions (Bill Rayfield)
12. 11:25 AM - Re: Firefly on Ebay (jerb)
13. 12:47 PM - Ailerons 101 (Mike Welch)
14. 01:07 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (N27SB@aol.com)
15. 01:21 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (John Hauck)
16. 02:32 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
17. 02:48 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (N27SB@aol.com)
18. 02:54 PM - Re: Gap Seal (GeoR38@aol.com)
19. 03:22 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (John Hauck)
20. 03:28 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (John Hauck)
21. 03:35 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (N27SB@aol.com)
22. 03:44 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (gary aman)
23. 03:51 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (John Hauck)
24. 04:17 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (Mike Welch)
25. 05:19 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (John Hauck)
26. 05:21 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (Richard Girard)
27. 05:22 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (John Hauck)
28. 06:13 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (Mike Welch)
29. 06:22 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (Mike Welch)
30. 06:26 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (John Hauck)
31. 06:38 PM - Re: Ultrastar questions (Dana Hague)
32. 07:33 PM - Re: Ailerons 101 (N27SB@aol.com)
33. 08:40 PM - Re: Fourm (Jim ODay)
34. 09:47 PM - Do you have a registered/certified Mark II Twinstar? (cristalclear13)
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Pat, while you are looking at the google page you can cut and paste the
whole address and post a link.>>
Thanks. Another day, something else learned.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | 582 ignition trigger wires |
Folks,
My buddy Dave who recently bought the Slingshot has discovered that the
red/white ignition trigger wires coming out of the 582 have insulation
that has turned soft, almost gummy. Does not appear to have been caused
by high current but seems to maybe be a chemical reaction.
Has anyone else with a 582 seen this happen? Its only the trigger
wires, the other wires coming out of the engine have good insulation.
It seems like Rotax used crappy wire for their ignition triggers at some
point.
Thanks,
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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| Subject: | Ultrastar questions |
Three questions for the Ultrastar gurus as I get closer to getting my plane
ready:
In level flight, I assume the boom tube (unlike the low boom Kolbs) is
approximately horizontal? I ask this because I'm going to redo the pitot
tube from the original owner's hokey arrangement, and I want to get it
angled right, and also get the compass (I know an US doesn't really need
one but I have an extra laying around) level.
The hole for the lower clevis pin that operates the elevators (goes through
both elevator horns with the actuator arm in the middle) seems to be too
low, so that it hits the tube that runs underneath, preventing the
elevators from going all the way down. Somebody drilled a new hole about
1" farther up, and that's where the bolt (which they used instead of the
original clevis pin) went through. It works that way, but I'm concerned
that there is a little loss of precision, and more importantly, strength...
though I doubt the loads are all that high). Thoughts?
I replaced the lower tail wires as they were kinked (uppers were
OK). Everything is in good alignment, but I'm unclear how tight they
should be. On my T-Craft, the book said to strum them and get a "low bass
tone"... what about the US?
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: 582 ignition trigger wires |
I`ve been having an intermittent tach problem, & upon close examination
on my 582, the yellow/black & Black/yellow wires are now so soft, I can
induce fraying rubbing hard with my fingers! I`m having them replaced
tommorrow eve on my 582. I can`t speak about the red ones yet though.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Denny Rowe
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 6:35 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: 582 ignition trigger wires
Folks,
My buddy Dave who recently bought the Slingshot has discovered that
the red/white ignition trigger wires coming out of the 582 have
insulation that has turned soft, almost gummy. Does not appear to have
been caused by high current but seems to maybe be a chemical reaction.
Has anyone else with a 582 seen this happen? Its only the trigger
wires, the other wires coming out of the engine have good insulation.
It seems like Rotax used crappy wire for their ignition triggers at some
point.
Thanks,
Denny Rowe, Mk-3, PA
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Jim, no gears but the belt reduction is 2.26:1 -very close to the
rotax 2.27 gearbox for the 80hp 912.
Yesterday, after spending a morning of bulldozing a new meadow then
seeing Thom Riddle off with his trailerload of Kolb FS,
I punched out the old bearing races (cones are the proper
terminology) in the hub and went bowling.
Today I'll start fitting the new assembly, most likely having to
machine a new spacer. Tricky process getting next to no
endplay with dry bearings, all squoze down with 60 ftlbs, double
nutted and keyed with a tab washer.
To be truthful I have never done either a balance check or runout on
the Powerfin 3 blade prop, figuring that
it is so light, it wouldn't be a problem. As the Fonz said, I could
be wr- wr- mistaken.
I'll check both it and the Warp I'll be assembling this week.
re, John Hauck and the suzuki vibes: definitely not a smooth runner
and should have a flywheel ignition sensor
to help smooth things out. My stock distributor Hall type trigger
has a tendency to fire a little unevenly.
Whenever anyone has asked my advice I have suggested going to the 4
cylinder (G13) version
and using the Russian made SPG-2 gearbox instead of the belt drive.
Do as I say, not as I do.
BB
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| Subject: | Re: 582 ignition trigger wires |
Jim:
You all spoke with Kodiak about the problem?
To me, that is a serious one.
Some years ago Kodiak went through a alternator stator exchange program
because of improper insulation on wiring.
john h
I`ve been having an intermittent tach problem, & upon close
examination on my 582, the yellow/black & Black/yellow wires are now so
soft, I can induce fraying rubbing hard with my fingers! I`m having them
replaced tommorrow eve on my 582. I can`t speak about the red ones yet
though. Jim
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In a message dated 9/18/2007 11:52:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell@fmtcblue.com writes:
> What's odd is the number of people who say it makes no difference at all?
>
> Anyway, I figure it's worth putting it on... once I get familiar with the
> plane I might try it without it to see the difference.
I find it odd that people say that it makes no difference as well. I have
flown Mark III with gap seal ( mine) and another when I was getting my
Ultralight pilots lic with no gap seal and the one with no seal flew like a
dog. It was a bear to land, stall was about 60 or more with flaps. I
attempted to try to convince the guy to put one on. He would not. I believe
it is scrap parts now.
Larry C
I just crow hopped my firestar KX after 2 1/2 years of nonflying and had to
rediscover how to swim again..... and I did not have the gap seal on yet. Took
55mph to get off the ground (but I had gained a little weight too,
squirrelled to the right...probably p factor....with full left rudder ....but
it went
right anyway and gradually veered left....just before I hit the tree in front
of me....soooooo I didn't hit the tree afterall. It finally became
controllable and I took off, going very fast...Hall was pegged at 55.....backed
off on
throttle, more n more n more and it finally started to come down.....it was
floating for sure.... and I landed several times as the speed was still
high.........sooooo busy didn't care to look at Hall.
Lotsa squirrels to that flight..............rest assured, my next attempt
will be WITH gapseal.
George Randolph
Firestar driver in the Villages, florida.... testing at Richard Swiderski's
house
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly on Ebay |
Are you folks looking at Item Number: 300150233708 on eBay?
Dave
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: 582 ignition trigger wires |
John, I have a Rotax trained tech coming Thurs PM to look at this. This
engine was overhauled by Ronnie at South Ms Light Aircraft Dec 2006 &
was put into service this May. Ronnie called it "0" timed". Ronnie came
highly recommended.
When I installed it, both Oil injection lines leaked, they had not been
replaced.Now, the wiring condition is suspect. I will go to another
service agent in the future. I`ll pick your brain next week after I get
a verdict thursday PM on these wires. Thanks for the input, Jim-----
Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 ignition trigger wires
Jim:
You all spoke with Kodiak about the problem?
To me, that is a serious one.
Some years ago Kodiak went through a alternator stator exchange
program because of improper insulation on wiring.
john h
I`ve been having an intermittent tach problem, & upon close
examination on my 582, the yellow/black & Black/yellow wires are now so
soft, I can induce fraying rubbing hard with my fingers! I`m having them
replaced tommorrow eve on my 582. I can`t speak about the red ones yet
though. Jim
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| Subject: | Re: 582 ignition trigger wires |
Sounds like this might be one of those John, I'll try to get the S/N
from Dave tonight and call Kodiak.
Denny
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 582 ignition trigger wires
Jim:
You all spoke with Kodiak about the problem?
To me, that is a serious one.
Some years ago Kodiak went through a alternator stator exchange
program because of improper insulation on wiring.
john h
I`ve been having an intermittent tach problem, & upon close
examination on my 582, the yellow/black & Black/yellow wires are now so
soft, I can induce fraying rubbing hard with my fingers! I`m having them
replaced tommorrow eve on my 582. I can`t speak about the red ones yet
though. Jim
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9/18/2007 11:53 AM
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| Subject: | Ultrastar questions |
I'm not guru by any means!
But, I do remember in the weight and balance section of the US manual,
it says to set the tail up so the boom tube is angled down approximately
10 degrees - this is the flight attitude.
I remember because we screwed up twice by making it perfectly level and
it just won't work out that way....
Hope this helps
Billyray in GA
________________________________
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Hague
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 7:56 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Ultrastar questions
Three questions for the Ultrastar gurus as I get closer to getting my
plane ready:
In level flight, I assume the boom tube (unlike the low boom Kolbs) is
approximately horizontal? I ask this because I'm going to redo the
pitot tube from the original owner's hokey arrangement, and I want to
get it angled right, and also get the compass (I know an US doesn't
really need one but I have an extra laying around) level.
The hole for the lower clevis pin that operates the elevators (goes
through both elevator horns with the actuator arm in the middle) seems
to be too low, so that it hits the tube that runs underneath, preventing
the elevators from going all the way down. Somebody drilled a new hole
about 1" farther up, and that's where the bolt (which they used instead
of the original clevis pin) went through. It works that way, but I'm
concerned that there is a little loss of precision, and more
importantly, strength... though I doubt the loads are all that high).
Thoughts?
I replaced the lower tail wires as they were kinked (uppers were OK).
Everything is in good alignment, but I'm unclear how tight they should
be. On my T-Craft, the book said to strum them and get a "low bass
tone"... what about the US?
-Dana
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I started out with nothing. I still have most of it left.
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly on Ebay |
The fuselage is not a Hawk, it looks like chrome-molly. The Hawk
fuselage is aluminum tubing.
The wing struts look like a Hawks and the wing to some extent - small
leading edge and smaller trailing edge tubes. What was that thing
that had a steering wheel - Ultra 103 or some thing like that. Seems
like I recall it used Hawk like wings.
jerb
At 07:04 PM 9/17/2007, you wrote:
>
>Didn't see a FF, but there is a Firestar (Item number: 280153702617)
>which is kinda odd; shows a bare cage, tet says it was flying! Shows
>covered tail and wings. price $1950 Buy it Now. Opened at 1550, no bids.
>
>regards,
>Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
>http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
>do not archive
>
>
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Group,
After recently recovering from a disease related to being an old fart, I finally
feel like getting back in the shop, again, to work on my Kolb. A few months
ago, I believe it was Richard (Neilson?) that took some photos at Sun 'n Fun of
the new yellow Kolb MkIIIX. (which I have filed)
On this Xtra, it appeared there were aileron bellcranks and pushrods!!! Was this
a standard conversion, from the Mk3C to the Mk3X, or was this a new mod TNK
came out with recently? When I look at Mike's (Jetpilot) Xtra, I don't see those
aileron horns. Anyone know the story or have a drawing (or photo) on this new
design??
And, while I'm on the subject of ailerons. I have heard some people have balanced
their ailerons. I don't seem to recall anywhere in my MkIIIC assembly manual,
or plans refer to balancing the ailerons. Wut's up wit dat? (for those fluent
in ebonics)
A few words of enlightenment would be greatly appreciated. Mike in SW
Polygamy Utah
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
In a message dated 9/19/2007 3:48:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com writes:
On this Xtra, it appeared there were aileron bellcranks and pushrods!!! Was
this a standard conversion
Mike, No , this is not standard, it is a new push/pull cable config being
tested by TNK. Ask travis about it.
As far as aileron balance, I will let someone more experienced answer.
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
> And, while I'm on the subject of ailerons. I have heard some people have
balanced their ailerons.
Mike in SW Polygamy Utah
Old Kolb Company would not accept the fact that some of us were experiencing
aileron flutter. In my case, all three of the Kolbs I built, US, FS, and
mkIII. It took Dick Rahill seriously scaring himself in the factory FSII
when he inadvertently got into aileron flutter to wake them up and come up
with a solution.
Previous to that and during the build of my mkIII, I fabricated counter
balance weights. During testing discovered my solution only added to the
problem. Took them off and flew without any until Kolb came up with a good
set of counterbalance weights that worked.
Some Kolbs don't have a problem, and some do. Counter balance weights are
cheap insurance.
As an added note reference aileron flutter. Some folks think the problem
lies with lose control linkage, hinges, pivot points, etc. Not so. The
problem lies with big ailerons that are hinged from the leading edge and not
balanced. Once the aileron is balanced, it flies through the air, smooth or
rough, as slick as a whistle.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
Mike
I don't think I posted the photo but I have looked at the new ailerons and
personally I think they fixed something not broken. Push pull cables can
fail and you can't preflight them. If they start binding hopefully you will
have time to fix them before they are a problem. But fixing would require
opening the wing.
I saw the plane a Sun N Fun ready to fly and at Oshkosh ready to fly but????
Has it been test flown yet?
I balanced my ailerons with only 2 inches of the solid bar in the balance
arms and that worked till I got the redrive engine on my MKIIIC which
allowed me to fly faster. I noticed at high cruise (80MPH) that there was a
small amount of flutter starting so I changed to 4 inch of solid balance
bar. So far there has been no more flutter as fast as I have gone so far 95
MPH. I recommend everyone balance the ailerons as instructed, I just don't
like any more weight in my plane than necessary.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2007 3:46 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Ailerons 101
>
>
> Group,
>
> After recently recovering from a disease related to being an old fart, I
> finally feel like getting back in the shop, again, to work on my Kolb. A
> few months ago, I believe it was Richard (Neilson?) that took some photos
> at Sun 'n Fun of the new yellow Kolb MkIIIX. (which I have filed)
> On this Xtra, it appeared there were aileron bellcranks and pushrods!!!
> Was this a standard conversion, from the Mk3C to the Mk3X, or was this a
> new mod TNK came out with recently? When I look at Mike's (Jetpilot) Xtra,
> I don't see those aileron horns. Anyone know the story or have a drawing
> (or photo) on this new design??
>
> And, while I'm on the subject of ailerons. I have heard some people have
> balanced their ailerons. I don't seem to recall anywhere in my MkIIIC
> assembly manual, or plans refer to balancing the ailerons. Wut's up wit
> dat? (for those fluent in ebonics)
>
> A few words of enlightenment would be greatly appreciated. Mike
> in SW Polygamy Utah
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
In a message dated 9/19/2007 4:22:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
Once the aileron is balanced, it flies through the air, smooth or
rough, as slick as a whistle.
john h
John,
Why does the Firefly not require balance?
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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In a message dated 9/18/2007 11:52:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
lcottrell@fmtcblue.com writes:
What's odd is the number of people who say it makes no difference at all?
>
> Anyway, I figure it's worth putting it on... once I get familiar with the
> plane I might try it without it to see the difference.
I find it odd that people say that it makes no difference as well. I have
flown Mark III with gap seal ( mine) and another when I was getting my
Ultralight pilots lic with no gap seal and the one with no seal flew like a
dog. It was a bear to land, stall was about 60 or more with flaps. I
attempted to try to convince the guy to put one on. He would not. I believe
it is scrap parts now.
Larry C
do not archive
I just crow hopped my "by George" Firestar KX without a gap seal and it was
learning how to swim all over again. I really didn't think the gap seal could
make that much difference ....and I have not flown the puppy for 2 years,
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
I noticed at high cruise (80MPH) that there was a
> small amount of flutter starting so I changed to 4 inch of solid balance
> bar. Rick Neilsen
Rick N:
The mkIII ailerons normally do not get into flutter until above 80mph. On
my mkIII anyhow. About 82 or 83 it would start nibbling at flutter. By 85
she would be in full flutter is not caught in time.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
Steve B:
How do you know it does not require counter balance weights?
If it flutters it will require counter balance weights. ;-)
Like I said in a previous msg, some do, some don't. Higher airspeeds
are more conducive to aileron flutter.
The old Kolb factory mkIII had no counter balance weights and never
suggested it would get into flutter. On the other hand, mine would
flutter if you looked at it straight.
Counter balance weights are a little insurance that it won't flutter.
Why test it to see if it will?
john h
John,
Why does the Firefly not require balance?
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
I thought it was because I was so Dang slow
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
Mike,
On my Firestar,the plans stated that aileron counter-balances were not optional,they
were a must! I think speed is the limiting factor here,perhaps weight considerations
with the Firefly as well,but the faster you go the more chance of
destructive flutter.I also thought all Kolb models had push rod aileron controls.
Group,
After recently recovering from a disease related to being an old fart, I finally
feel like getting back in the shop, again, to work on my Kolb. A few months
ago, I believe it was Richard (Neilson?) that took some photos at Sun 'n Fun of
the new yellow Kolb MkIIIX. (which I have filed)
On this Xtra, it appeared there were aileron bellcranks and pushrods!!! Was this
a standard conversion, from the Mk3C to the Mk3X, or was this a new mod TNK
came out with recently? When I look at Mike's (Jetpilot) Xtra, I don't see those
aileron horns. Anyone know the story or have a drawing (or photo) on this new
design??
And, while I'm on the subject of ailerons. I have heard some people have balanced
their ailerons. I don't seem to recall anywhere in my MkIIIC assembly manual,
or plans refer to balancing the ailerons. Wut's up wit dat? (for those fluent
in ebonics)
A few words of enlightenment would be greatly appreciated. Mike in SW
Polygamy Utah
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Steve B:
Did you ever see a snail equipped with aileron counter balance weights?
Floats either.
john h
mkIII
I thought it was because I was so Dang slow
Steve
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From: gaman@att.net
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ailerons 101
Gentlemen,
Yes, Gary, all Kolbs do have push rods to move their ailerons. But, I wa
s referring to the new style pushrods located out in the wing, like my Cess
na has. Take a look see at the enclosed photo. (From Richard Pike, BTW)
I didn't quite fully understand Rick Neilsen's description of the balance
mechanism. By any chance, Rick, do you have a photo. (and maybe a measure
ment or two)
All good stuff, especially John H.'s experience with & without them!!
Mike Welch
Mike,
On my Firestar,the plans stated that aileron counter-balances were not opt
ional,they were a must! I think speed is the limiting factor here,perhaps w
eight considerations with the Firefly as well,but the faster you go the mor
e chance of destructive flutter.I also thought all Kolb models had push rod
aileron controls.
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Hi Gang:
Those little push rods you guys are talking about are actually Push/Pull
Tubes. They work both ways and are not rods, but tubes.
Every time ya'll refer to them as push rods my mind sees push rods in an
four stroke. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Mike,
I also thought all Kolb models had push rod aileron controls.
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
All, The factors listed by John are causes of flutter, but there is one mor
e
and that is weight. My MkIII has a very heavy paint job (bought that way)
and without counterweights would begin to get aileron flutter at 70 mph. Ho
w
important is the weight consideration. Consider that an owner of a type
certificated aircraft is allowed to paint his aircraft, EXCEPT control
surfaces. They must be painted by an A & P and rebalanced after painting.
>From FAR 43
43.3 Persons authorized to perform maintenance, preventive maintenance,
rebuilding, and
alterations.<http://ecfr.gpoaccess.gov/cgi/t/text/text-idx?c=ecfr;sid=a
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(g) Except for holders of a sport pilot certificate, the holder of a pilot
certificate issued under part 61 may perform preventive maintenance on any
aircraft owned or operated by that pilot which is not used under part 121,
129, or 135 of this chapter. The holder of a sport pilot certificate may
perform preventive maintenance on an aircraft owned or operated by that
pilot and issued a special airworthiness certificate in the light-sport
category.
>From FAR 43 Appendix A
(c) *Preventive maintenance. *Preventive maintenance is limited to the
following work, provided it does not involve complex assembly operations:
9) Refinishing decorative coating of fuselage, balloon baskets, wings tail
group surfaces (excluding balanced control surfaces), fairings, cowlings,
landing gear, cabin, or cockpit interior when removal or disassembly of any
primary structure or operating system is not required.
The faster an aircraft goes the more susceptible it becomes to flutter.
Weight of control surfaces as well as balance becomes more and more
critical. For instance, on the Rutan canard aircraft, the builder is given
a
range of acceptable weights within which the elevators must fall after
balancing, If either does not, the builder is given one chance to fix them
by removing a specified portion of the fiberglass covering by sanding. If i
t
still does not fall within the acceptable range, the builder is instructed
to scrap them and make new.
Rick
On 9/19/07, Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 15:41:55 -0700
> From: gaman@att.net
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ailerons 101
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
> Gentlemen,
>
>
> Yes, Gary, all Kolbs do have push rods to move their ailerons. But, I
> was referring to the new style pushrods located out in the wing, like my
> Cessna has. Take a look see at the enclosed photo. (From Richard Pike, B
TW)
> I didn't quite fully understand Rick Neilsen's description of the
> balance mechanism. By any chance, Rick, do you have a photo. (and maybe
a
> measurement or two)
>
> All good stuff, especially John H.'s experience with & without
> them!! Mike Welch
>
>
> Mike,
> On my Firestar,the plans stated that aileron counter-balances were not
> optional,they were a must! I think speed is the limiting factor here,perh
aps
> weight considerations with the Firefly as well,but the faster you go the
> more chance of destructive flutter.I also thought all Kolb models had pus
h
> rod aileron controls.
>
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"Ya'll drop on in"
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when you live at the airport.
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But, I was referring to the new style pushrods located out in the wing,
like my Cessna has. !
Mike Welch
Mike W:
That is the end of a Morse cable.
john h
mkIII
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John H.
You mean that photo of the aileron horn is also showing a "Morse cable?"
As in a flexible type aircraft cable with a swaged fitting on the end? O
h!! Then I would assume there is one just like it on top of the wing, too.
Yes?
Mike W.
Hey John, I just checked the other photos and came up with this one of th
e top of the wing. It doesn't appear to have anything attached to control
the top of the aileron. ??? Plus, a real close up vies of the "bellcra
nk & pushrod photo sure appears to have a heavy duty solid steel (?) rod at
tached to the heim bearing.
Is there any other people with new Xtra kits that have this feature, or is
setup this just an orphan?? If it is indeed a solid rod, wouldn't that be
referred to as a "push rod?" Again, this design looks pretty much the same
as on my Cessna 172. As far as I knew, it was a push rod (from the bellcr
ank to the aileron horn). ??? Thanks
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Ah ha!! After I sent off that last email, I went see what the "Morse cable" was
built like. I see what you mean, John. The end of the cable has the solid
shaft that attaches to the bearing. Oh. Mike W.
> But, I was referring to the new style pushrods located out in the wing,
> like my Cessna has. !
>
> Mike Welch
>
>
> Mike W:
>
> That is the end of a Morse cable.
>
> john h
> mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
Mike W:
A Morse cable is a push/pull cable. Only needs one. You know
like.........push and pull. ;-)
No, a Morse cable is a very stiff cable inside a flexible housing. They are
used for marine steering cables, also push/pull.
john h
mkIII
You mean that photo of the aileron horn is also showing a "Morse cable?"
As in a flexible type aircraft cable with a swaged fitting on the end? Oh!!
Then I would assume there is one just like it on top of the wing, too. Yes?
Mike W.
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| Subject: | Ultrastar questions |
At 01:20 PM 9/19/2007, Bill Rayfield wrote:
>I'm not guru by any means!
>But, I do remember in the weight and balance section of the US manual, it
>says to set the tail up so the boom tube is angled down approximately 10
>degrees - this is the flight attitude.
>I remember because we screwed up twice by making it perfectly level and it
>just won't work out that way....
Hmm, that doesn't seem right. I know the manual says to balance it that
way, but it doesn't say it's the flight attitude. It may just be that a
properly balanced plane hangs that way when you hang it from a rope as they
suggest.
The wing is at 3=B0 angle of incidence relative to the boom tube. If the
boom tube was at 10=B0 in level flight that'd be a 13=B0 AOA, perilously
close
to stall. I figure I'll set the pitot parallel to the boom tube for the
first flight and see how it goes.
Still on track for this weekend... got the tail rigged, new primary
hardware, and new fuel system components. Had a bit of a scare when the
wing universal fittings (which I inspected REAL closely since I once set
the wingtips on the ground without disconnecting the rear connection first
before I knew better) appeared cracked, but it turned out to be just the
paint... the guy who recovered it left them on when he painted it, and I
guess poly-spray and poly-tone isn't a great finish for metal. After
scraping it down to the primer they looked fine. All that's left now is
the pitot and bleeding the brakes.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Ailerons 101 |
In a message dated 9/19/2007 7:17:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com writes:
Take a look see at the enclosed photo. (From Richard Pike, BTW)
It's also worth noting the beautiful Fairing/Inspection cover fabricated by
Bryan Melborn.
AHHHHH, The Student has become the Master.
Steve B
Firefly 007/Floats
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Buy lots of insurance, no "per seat limits" and fly safe.
When something bad happens, the vultures will be circling.
Below is what I found on the EAA website. I do have one someplace at my office,
when I find it I will post.
Here is what the Young Eagle Program uses. I am sure you could modify it to suit
your needs. Replace EAA with your name ..... You could send it to your attorney
and have it reviewed too.
got it here --> http://members.eaa.org/home/youngeagles/reg_form.pdf
EAA YOUNG EAGLES PROGRAM
AGREEMENT TO WAIVE LI ABILIT Y, ASSUM E RIS K, AND IN DEMNI FY
The young person listed below wants to take part in the EAA Young Eagles program,
including riding in an
airplane. The Young Eagles program is conducted by volunteer EAA member pilots
who are licensed by the
Federal Aviation Administration (FAA). These volunteer pilots fly a wide variety
of aircraft that are also
licensed by the FAA. I am the young persons parent or legal guardian and I represent
and warrant that
I have the authority to enter into this agreement. In exchange for being allowed
to take part in the Young
Eagles program, the young person and I agree as follows:
AGREEMENT TO WAIVE LIABILITY AND NOT TO SUE
The young person and I (for ourselves, our heirs, family members, personal representatives
and assigns) release and discharge the Experimental Aircraft Association, Inc.,
the EAA
Aviation Foundation, Inc., and the officers, directors, members, chapters, employees,
agents,
divisions, affiliates and volunteers (including pilots, owners and operators of
airplanes used
in the Young Eagles program) of each of those corporations (EAA) from, and agree
not to
sue EAA for, any and all claims against EAA for any injury or death arising from
the young
persons participation in the Young Eagles program. This release, discharge and
agreement not to sue
applies to all legal rights, including those resulting from any negligence of EAA,
other than those resulting from the
gross negligence or willful misconduct of EAA.
ASSUMPTION OF RISK
We understand that flying in airplanes and being around airplanes involves risks.
Serious injury or death can
result from many causes, including airplane crashes, falls, pilot error, ground
crew error, engine or mechanical
failure, negligent maintenance, defects in runways, interference by birds and other
objects, weather conditions,
contaminated fuel, or hard or forced landings. Injuries could be minor such as
bruises, scratches and sprains,
major such as eye injuries, broken bones and concussions, or catastrophic such
as paralysis, severe burns or
death. If the young person is old enough to understand these risks, I have explained
them to him or her. The
young person and I (for ourselves, our heirs, family members, personal representatives
and
assigns) assume all risks and full responsibility for any injury or death arising
from taking
part in the Young Eagles program.
INDEMNIFICATION
The young person and I agree to indemnify and hold EAA harmless from any claims,
costs,
damages, and liabilities, including attorneys fees, arising from taking part in
the Young Eagles program.
This duty to indemnify and hold EAA harmless applies even if EAA is negligent,
however,
indemnification is not required if EAA is grossly negligent or has engaged in willful
misconduct.
LEGAL ADVICE
I know that I can talk to my legal advisor about this Agreement and I have either
done so or chosen not to.
I understand that I have the right and have been given the opportunity to object
to and bargain about the
provisions of this Agreement. I am voluntarily signing this Agreement and intend
it to be the
unconditional release of all liability to the greatest extent allowed by law.
Before Signing, Carefully Read This Entire Agreement
Note from EAA: If an accident were to occur, you and the young person (by signing
this Agreement) would be giving up legal rights and incurring legal liabilities.
If any
part of this Agreement is held invalid, the rest of the provisions shall remain
in effect. If you do not
understand anything in this Agreement, you should not sign it and you should talk
to
your legal advisor.
__________________________________________ __________________________________________
Parent or Guardians Signature Please Print Young Persons Name
__________________________________________ __________________________________________
Please Print Parent or Guardians Name Date
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Do you have a registered/certified Mark II Twinstar? |
I am in the process of registering/certifying the used Kolb Mark II Twinstar I
bought as an ELSA. I can't find the V numbers. I'd like to have a checklist
(takeoff, landing, etc.). Any information for this model sure would be appreciated!
Thanks.
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Cristal
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