---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/25/07: 40 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:46 AM - TNK (tc1917) 2. 04:57 AM - Re: I finally flew it! (Thom Riddle) 3. 05:40 AM - bad vibes update (robert bean) 4. 05:54 AM - Re: bad vibes update (John Hauck) 5. 06:21 AM - Re: ELT Installation (ropermike) 6. 06:49 AM - Re: Do you have a registered/certified Mark II Twinstar? (ropermike) 7. 07:20 AM - Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection (Jeff Nelson) 8. 07:50 AM - Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection (Jim ODay) 9. 08:05 AM - Re: space (pat ladd) 10. 08:18 AM - Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection (herbgh@juno.com) 11. 08:22 AM - Re: Kolb MKII Fatality (Ralph B) 12. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection (Richard Girard) 13. 08:38 AM - Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection (Jim Dunn) 14. 08:51 AM - Re: ELT Installation (George Alexander) 15. 09:49 AM - Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection (Thom Riddle) 16. 10:06 AM - Re: Re: I finally flew it! (Dana Hague) 17. 10:36 AM - Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection/PLB SAR SAT (John Hauck) 18. 10:38 AM - Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection (Richard Girard) 19. 10:41 AM - Re: I finally flew it! (Thom Riddle) 20. 11:18 AM - Re: Re: ELT Installation (Richard Girard) 21. 12:28 PM - Re: ADIZ Helicopter interception (jb92563) 22. 12:48 PM - Primer (Bob Noyer) 23. 12:48 PM - Firestar replaced (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 24. 12:50 PM - Re: Re: I finally flew it! (Russ Kinne) 25. 01:04 PM - Re: Gap Seal (jb92563) 26. 01:16 PM - faa "inspections" (Bob Noyer) 27. 03:15 PM - Re: faa "inspections" (planecrazzzy) 28. 03:32 PM - Re: I finally flew it! (planecrazzzy) 29. 03:41 PM - Re: Gap Seal (WillUribe@aol.com) 30. 03:58 PM - Re: faa "inspections" (LEE CREECH) 31. 04:21 PM - Homecoming flyin (Jeremy Casey) 32. 04:47 PM - gap seal (boyd) 33. 05:36 PM - Re: Homecoming flyin (John Hauck) 34. 05:57 PM - Re: gap seal (Dana Hague) 35. 06:18 PM - Kolb MK III Extra for sale (more infos / Picts) (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?No=EBl_Bouchard?=) 36. 06:19 PM - Re: ELT Installation (cristalclear13) 37. 06:59 PM - Re: Homecoming flyin (N27SB@aol.com) 38. 08:10 PM - Re: Homecoming flyin (Richard Pike) 39. 08:51 PM - [ Vincent Nicely ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Email List Photo Shares) 40. 09:06 PM - Re: [ Vincent Nicely ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:06 AM PST US From: "tc1917" Subject: Kolb-List: TNK Just wanted to remind everyone that Bev and I will be arriving at TNK probably on Wednesday. I have a 582 on my slingshot for sale. I am picking up my new 912 at the meet. Will sell the 582 then or later. It comes complete with everything you need to make it go. Four bolts, some wires, gas lines and you are good to go. Mount it on your Kolb and go fly. Approximately 185 hours on engine. You can have it with the new Warp three blade for $6000 or with a ground adjust IVO three blade for $5500. Will take it off and it is yours at your request. See it run and fly. I also have a Mk III frame and boom. The frame has some damage but some good welder -- how about the one that wants to build his own frame -- can repair and have a good financial deal. We can make a deal for it I am sure. By the way, I have used vinyl, cloth and whatever for gap seals on many different Kolbs but always put a zipper in the center. Lasted a long, long time and never ripped off. Still use the same system today. Ted Cowan. 334-480-0822, Alabama ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:37 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I finally flew it! From: "Thom Riddle" Dana, I've very glad to hear you flew without the fuel starvation problem. The following is my 2 cents worth on primer bulbs. Most of the primer bulb installations I've seen are either in parallel or series with the pulse pump and therefore are being used only as a hand pump to fill the float bowl. Why so many do it this way is a mystery to me since the purpose of the PRIMER is to give a little squirt of fuel into the throat of the carburetor for a quick start. Having it plumbed (either parallel or series) to the float bowl does not accomplish this. When I bought my Firestar it had no primer at all and took many many pulls to get it started with the proper starting technique with the float bowl full. I bought a high quality PRIMER bulb from West Marine and installed it ACCORDING TO THE ROTAX MANUAL, which means it is teed off of the fuel supply line before the pulse pump (between tank and pump) and then goes to the primer fitting on the carburetor, which is downstream of the venturi and butterfly valve. I also installed a shutoff valve between the tee and the primer bulb to prevent the pulse pump from sucking air if the check valve in the primer fails. When starting cold, I open the shutoff valve, give the bulb one squeeze (squirting a bit of raw fuel into the throat of the carburetor), shut off the valve, and pull the starter rope once and it starts. The whole purpose of a primer bulb is to get a squirt of raw fuel into the intake so it will start on a single pull when cold. Once it is running, the pulse pump quickly fills the float bowl if it was low due to evaporation from sitting for a while. The primer bulb's primary purpose is NOT to fill the float bowl which is all it will do if it is plumbed the way most folks do it, contrary to the Rotax manual. Having the primer bulb in the fuel system feeding the float bowl creates another point of potential failure, which it sounds like maybe was the problem you had. If the primer bulb is plumbed into the primer fitting on the carburetor and isolated with a shutoff valve, it is not part of the fuel supply system when running. Attached is a photo of the 2-stroke installation manual figure showing the primer installation schematic. It shows a plunger type primer which does not need a shut-off valve but the bulb type should have a shut-off valve to isolate it in case of check valve failure. -------- Thom in Buffalo N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Setting an example is not the main means of influencing another, it is the only means." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136297#136297 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/primer_162.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:40:31 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: bad vibes update I got the 70" warp 2 blade pitch fine tuned. Overall better performance than the powerfin due to less drag. -Not quite as good in climb but has a wider envelope. The downside is a significant rough spot at 2000 rpm which is easy to avoid and a pulsating in and out sound at cruise settings. Sounds like a Hughes 269. I'll run it for a while and see if I can get used to it or drives me nuts. BB do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:16 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: bad vibes update > a pulsating in and out sound at cruise settings. Sounds like a > Hughes 269. > I'll run it for a while and see if I can get used to it or drives me > nuts. > > BB do not archive Bob B: My buddy's 3/4 scale Jenny with 3 cyl Geo mad a "rum........rum...........rum" sound when it was flying at cruise. I could hear in from the ground. He was running a two blade wooden prop. It was pretty long and I can not remember the exact length. Redrive, cog belt, was constantly trying to eat its self. Did a lot of serious experimentation and testing. Never could get it to operate reliably. Eventually sold it. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:46 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ELT Installation From: "ropermike" Never exceed speed for Mk ll is 80 mph according to the old construction booklet I acquired with my plane....Stall speed is about 37 mph for my little fatty, 424lbs dry plus Fuel and Pilot. Stall with passenger aboard is 40 mph...I gave a 5 mph yellow warning before stall and before 80 mph. We have a sign shop that builds signs for us at my work. I measured my airspeed indicator with a caliper and had him cut me three circles, red, yellow and green. He makes signs with vinyl and sticky backing. I carefully cut and applied the partial circles to my indicator......ELT is mounted on a aluminum plate I riveted to the two tubing members just behind the pilots seat. I had to move and reglue the mobile antenna on top as I have a strobe box just beside the elt. Elt remote is installed on panel. (see pic). The antenna was the tough one. I finally mounted it on the top of my aluminum gap seal using a generous doubler.......N number is on the boom tube....My inspection is scheduled for Thursday, 9-27-07. Keep fingers crossed for me!.......Mike -------- The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136314#136314 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/elt_remote_652.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/elt_202.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/as_ind_796.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:07 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Do you have a registered/certified Mark II Twinstar? From: "ropermike" Crystalclear.......I am registering my Mk ll now that I aquired one year ago. I got a set of plans and a construction manual with mine. It also had a lamenated checklist with it, not sure if it is official or not. Here is what it reads: TAKE-OFF, INFLIGHT, AND LANDING Apply full power for climb, after airborne. Do not exceed 80 MPH. EGT: Maximum 1200* Normal 860* - 1080* Clear engine frequently when gliding. Idle Minimum is 2000 RPM. Land at 45 MPH. Idle for two minutes prior to shutdown. As for a preflight checklist, It didnt have one. I havnt made one yet but I plan too. You can search the Kolb list for Checklist Ideas. My email address is mhillger@wildblue.net. Send me some pics of your plane. Us MK ll guys gotta stick together..........Mike -------- The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike Hillger Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136318#136318 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:12 AM PST US From: Jeff Nelson Subject: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection Hi All I am in the process of getting my Firestar KXP certified and my DAR hasa to ld me that I need to have an alternate path arround my fuel filter so I can buypass if needed. I have seen this for the Primer bulb but not for the f uel filter. Does anyone have this in their fuel system? He also siad I ne eded an ELT but I found in the regs I do not for a single seat. Thank You Jeff Nelson KXP N1655E Do Not Archive _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever ' Get MORE with Windows Live=99 Hotmail=AE. NOW with 5GB storage. ration_HM_mini_5G_0907 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection From: "Jim ODay" Jeff: I don't get it - bypass the fuel filter? That is odd. I have a FS II and I have a E-LSA certificate for it, got in August. My inspection of the plane was simple. The guy inspecting mine from the FSDO told me it was my "job to certify that it is airworthy" and his "job to verify the paperwork". He also told me "his" instructions were to do a "walk around" the aircraft, he was not going to go over it with a close inspection, that was the purpose of the "condition inspection" that I furnished. I don't even think he looked at the fuel system. If he had, he would have seen a water drain with a screen plus a fuel filter, both installed in the main fuel line. There were no mirrors or flashlights used or things removed for inspection; just a walk around the plane. He verified all systems were labeled, looked at my panel instruments, asked a couple of question about it like "was this a kit?" The W&B was discussed and how I did it. That was not a big deal either. We finished the paperwork and log book endorsements (by me) and I got the Pink Slip and it was all done. It all was systematic and professional. Good luck Jeff. Jim do not archive -------- Jim O'Day Fargo, ND Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136333#136333 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:06 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: space You can actually attach things to the "wall" as here:>> Thanks Richard, I was reluctant to go down that route,what with the complications of opening doors etc. but your brackets look good and firm and I may have to consider your way. Pat ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection From: herbgh@juno.com Hi Jeff Pretty close to needing a new DAR! Herb On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 09:18:23 -0500 Jeff Nelson writes: Hi All I am in the process of getting my Firestar KXP certified and my DAR hasa told me that I need to have an alternate path arround my fuel filter so I can buypass if needed. I have seen this for the Primer bulb but not for the fuel filter. Does anyone have this in their fuel system? He also siad I needed an ELT but I found in the regs I do not for a single seat. Thank You Jeff Nelson KXP N1655E Do Not Archive More photos; more messages; more whatever Get MORE with Windows Live Hotmail. NOW with 5GB storage. Get more! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb MKII Fatality From: "Ralph B" Steven Green wrote: > John and all, > > There is some speculation by locals that he became unconscious, He was 72. > > Steven > > --- I knew Jerry. He was originally from the Minneapolis area. He completed his Mark II in 1989 and I test flew it for him. He had an accident in it when the 503 air cleaner became saturated with water during a rain the night before. The engine ran rough on takeoff and he tried a downwind landing in a short field and damaged the aircraft, but wasn't hurt. Jerry retired and moved to Tennessee about 15 years ago and had the aircraft registered there. I will try and get more details about this accident. Ralph B -------- Ralph B Original Firestar N91493 E-AB 20 years flying it Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136341#136341 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:54 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection Jeff, My experience with the DAR was exactly as Jim described it, but this was for E-LSA. We had the local FAA MIDO inspectors at our last EAA chapter meeting. As they described it, an E-LSA inspection is a paperwork exercise. Check the paper work and check the placarding and your good to go. An E-AB inspection IS a cowling off inspection of all aircraft systems to check as best is possible in three to four hours how your aircraft is constructed. Expect to be nit picked during this inspection. IF you are getting an E-LSA inspection, call the FAA Light Sport Branch and get a clarification for your DAR. Like Jim, I've never heard of a fuel filter bypass. Get yourself a copy of AC43-13 1b and 2a "Acceptable Methods, Techniques, and Practices Aircraft Inspection, Repair & Alterations. Go to Chapter 8 Section 2. Fuel Systems Paragraph 8-36 "Fuel Filters, Strainers, and Drains" and make him show you the requirement for a fuel filter bypass. Hint, it ain't there. Rick On 9/25/07, Jim ODay wrote: > > > Jeff: > > I don't get it - bypass the fuel filter? That is odd. > > I have a FS II and I have a E-LSA certificate for it, got in August. My > inspection of the plane was simple. > > The guy inspecting mine from the FSDO told me it was my "job to certify > that it is airworthy" and his "job to verify the paperwork". He also told > me "his" instructions were to do a "walk around" the aircraft, he was not > going to go over it with a close inspection, that was the purpose of the > "condition inspection" that I furnished. > > I don't even think he looked at the fuel system. If he had, he would have > seen a water drain with a screen plus a fuel filter, both installed in the > main fuel line. > > There were no mirrors or flashlights used or things removed for > inspection; just a walk around the plane. He verified all systems were > labeled, looked at my panel instruments, asked a couple of question about it > like "was this a kit?" > > The W&B was discussed and how I did it. That was not a big deal either. > > We finished the paperwork and log book endorsements (by me) and I got the > Pink Slip and it was all done. It all was systematic and professional. > > Good luck Jeff. > > Jim > > do not archive > > -------- > Jim O'Day > Fargo, ND > Firestar II > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136333#136333 > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection From: "Jim Dunn" I have been involved in the inspection of 3 E-LSA aircraft; one fixed wing (Hornet) and two weight shift; all by the same DAR. They have belonged to friends but I was involved before the inspection and was there during the inspection. What I have seen indicates there is no standardization in the inspections, and few absolutes as to what one needs or doesn't need. Even the same DAR will tell you different things on different days (does it require fuses/circuit breakers or not?). I think the best if not only solution is to contact the DAR doing the inspection well beforehand and ensure you know what he will be looking for. If there is something he mentions that you don't have and don't want to do, ask him if it's a recommendation or a mandate. There is only 1 DAR in the entire Pacific NW so there really isn't an option of going elsewhere. On the last inspection the DAR said that paper fuel filters can become completely blocked by water and recommended the use of filters without paper, but he did not require a bypass. On the last inspection of 2 trikes, 1 had a bypass around the primer bulb and the other did not. He also checked for locknuts on everything with at least 1 thread sticking out, green/yellow/red limit markings on instruments, all switches labeled for function and which way was on/off, quantity and type of all fluids, weight/loading/balance, aircraft/engine/prop logbooks, passenger warning placard, Experimental placard. Also seatbelts (shoulder harness not req'd). One thing of note he said after the first inspection was that an owner could put himself back in Phase 1 (test). For example, the max gross on the Hornet with a Rotax 503 would not allow a passenger over 100 pounds. The owner could put the Hornet back in Phase 1 with a logbook entry stating he upped the GW to XXXX pounds (+100 pounds), then fly some time at the new max GW, make appropriate logbook entries, then log back into phase 2 at the new GW. For Amateur built Experimentals, that requires a trip to the FAA GADO office (twice). Jim N. Idaho --------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ELT Installation From: "George Alexander" ropermike wrote: > > I measured my airspeed indicator with a caliper and had him cut me three circles, red, > > My inspection is scheduled for Thursday, 9-27-07. Keep fingers crossed for me!.......Mike Mike: Didn't have a chance to check for a specific reference... and... your inspector may not care.... and if s/he does, it is an easy fix. The Vne normally is indicated by a short line placed at the appropriate point on the ASI (your case 80 mph) and "perpendicular" to the point. It is not normally indicated by a red arc. Some think that this may be picking the fly dung out of the pepper, but ..... Good luck on your airworthiness inspection! -------- George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136352#136352 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection From: "Thom Riddle" Jeff, I've never seen a fuel filter bypass on any of the following: Standard Category Type Certificated aircraft. Experimental A/B aircraft. E-LSA aircraft. S-LSA aircraft. More importantly, I've never seen a fuel filter bypass requirement or recommendation in 43.13 nor in any other FAA documentation or regulations. Your research results showing the ELT is NOT REQUIRED for single seat aircraft is correct and you probably ought to gently point this out the inspector, unless you want an ELT. In any case, this DAR needs a bit of remedial training on the regs. Of course he has the power to deny your A/W certificate so how you handle it is up to you. Ain't politics wonderful? do not archive -------- Thom in Buffalo N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Setting an example is not the main means of influencing another, it is the only means." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136360#136360 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:13 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I finally flew it! At 07:57 AM 9/25/2007, Thom Riddle wrote: > >... the purpose of the PRIMER is to give a little squirt of fuel into the >throat of the carburetor for a quick start. Having it plumbed (either >parallel or series) to the float bowl does not accomplish this.... The >primer bulb's primary purpose is NOT to fill the float bowl which is all >it will do if it is plumbed the way most folks do it... Makes sense. On my engine (Cuyuna, with Mikuni carb), there is no primer port, but there is a choke lever. Cold, it will start on the first pull with the choke on. Between flights, if everything is sealed well (it seems to be, now), the fuel line should stay full, but if not (or at initial startup), it could take an awful lot of cranking to fill the fuel system up to and including the float bowl. I had considered tee-ing in a bypass around the primer bulb with a couple of check valves, but that just adds more complication and more potential leak points. I also considered putting in a primer hole and adding a plunger type primer, deleting the bulb, and using the plunger primer to pull fuel up if necessary... but it'd still need a check valve to keep from pulling fuel (or air) back from the carburetor if the float needle is open. One option for priming could be a tee off the fuel line downstream of the bulb, with a valve, so that when you open that valve the bulb would force fuel into the carburetor throat, but with the valve closed it'd still be able to fill the fuel line and bowl. As for putting the bulb series or parallel to the pulse pump, I guess it's a matter of which do you think is more likely-- the bulb leaking or getting blocked? Just random thoughts... not sure which direction I want to go. -Dana -- -- "I'm a lawyer." "Honest?" "No, the usual kind." ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:04 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection/PLB SAR SAT Hi Jeff N: Recommend you get another DAR. Seems this one has a lot of ideas of his own he wants to make mandatory. Fuel filter bypass. Never heard of such. If filter plugs from contaminated fuel, no filter would certainly stop the engine. You are right about the ELT. Single place does not require one. PLB (Personal Locator Beach) is a good option for an ELT, especially if you participate in more than flying. I just bought an ACR Micro Fix 406 with internal GPS. I will use it for flying, dirt biking, boating, mountain biking, and off roading the 4WD pickup. It is registered with my info at NOAA, SAR SAT (Search and Rescue Satelite). Fits in my pocket, the pocket on the back of my airplane seat, strapped to my Camel Back harness or my belt. Not cheap, but darn good insurance. Much more effective than the old 121.5 ELT. john h mkIII I am in the process of getting my Firestar KXP certified and my DAR hasa told me that I need to have an alternate path arround my fuel filter so I can buypass if needed. I have seen this for the Primer bulb but not for the fuel filter. Does anyone have this in their fuel system? He also siad I needed an ELT but I found in the regs I do not for a single seat. Thank You Jeff Nelson KXP N1655E ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:38:47 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fuel Filter E-LSA Inspection Jim, Yes, you did state you were getting an E-LSA inspection, my browser doesn't show titles in the reply box and I missed it. Here's one thing to ask your DAR, which function code is he certificated to perform. Below are the three that pertain to us as Kolb owners, although Code 48 won't apply until Kolb brings out its Special Light Sport Aircraft. Perhaps your DAR doesn't have function code 47 and is relying on his training under code 46 and treating you as if your aircraft were an E-AB. If you have any questions, contact the FAA Light Sport Branch and let them know of the problems you are having. Time is getting short for E-LSA registration and the last thing they need is some well meaning guy making u p requirements on the fly. Rick (12) Code 46 =97 Issue original/recurrent special airworthiness certificate s, experimental, for the purpose of operating United States (U.S.)-registered amateur-built aircraft. (See FAA Order 8130.33.) (13) Code 47 =97 Issue recurrent/original and replacement special airworthiness certificates, experimental, for the purposes of operating U.S.-registeredlight-sport aircraft. (Reference Order 8130.33.) 8100.8C 5/04/2007 126 (14) Code 48 =97 Issue recurrent/original and replacement special airworthiness certificates for U.S.-registered light-sport category aircraft and special flight permits for production flight-test operations. (Reference Order 8130.33.) On 9/25/07, Jim Dunn wrote: > > > I have been involved in the inspection of 3 E-LSA aircraft; one fixed win g > (Hornet) and two weight shift; all by the same DAR. They have belonged t o > friends but I was involved before the inspection and was there during the > inspection. > > What I have seen indicates there is no standardization in the inspections , > and few absolutes as to what one needs or doesn't need. Even the same DA R > will tell you different things on different days (does it require > fuses/circuit breakers or not?). > > I think the best if not only solution is to contact the DAR doing the > inspection well beforehand and ensure you know what he will be looking > for. If there is something he mentions that you don't have and don't wan t > to do, ask him if it's a recommendation or a mandate. There is only 1 DA R > in the entire Pacific NW so there really isn't an option of going > elsewhere. > > On the last inspection the DAR said that paper fuel filters can become > completely blocked by water and recommended the use of filters without > paper, but he did not require a bypass. On the last inspection of 2 > trikes, 1 had a bypass around the primer bulb and the other did not. > > He also checked for locknuts on everything with at least 1 thread stickin g > out, green/yellow/red limit markings on instruments, all switches labeled > for function and which way was on/off, quantity and type of all fluids, > weight/loading/balance, aircraft/engine/prop logbooks, passenger warning > placard, Experimental placard. Also seatbelts (shoulder harness not > req'd). > > One thing of note he said after the first inspection was that an owner > could put himself back in Phase 1 (test). For example, the max gross on > the Hornet with a Rotax 503 would not allow a passenger over 100 pounds. > The owner could put the Hornet back in Phase 1 with a logbook entry > stating he upped the GW to XXXX pounds (+100 pounds), then fly some time > at the new max GW, make appropriate logbook entries, then log back into > phase 2 at the new GW. For Amateur built Experimentals, that requires a > trip to the FAA GADO office (twice). > Jim > N. Idaho > --------------------------------------- > > =========== =========== =========== > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I finally flew it! From: "Thom Riddle" Dana, If you have a squeeze bulb in place to fill the float bowl, then adding a tee and shut-off valve to prime the carb too, that would satisfy both requirements. The parallel/series debate has been beat to death. But for what it's worth, Standard Category Type Certificated aircraft put auxiliary fuel pumps (which a squeeze bulb is in this case) in parallel with the primary pump, but these are invariably very reliable electric pumps, not squeeze bulbs. This provides an alternate path for the fuel in case the primary pump becomes blocked or otherwise fails. That said, our Special LSA Allegro (factory built) has the aux. electric in series with the mechanical engine driven pump, but this is done to avoid the rather difficult plumbing problem that would result if piped in parallel. do not archive -------- Thom in Buffalo N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- "Setting an example is not the main means of influencing another, it is the only means." Albert Einstein Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136374#136374 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:33 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: ELT Installation Mike, You didn't mention the DEA tag (they don't call it that, but it is in fact). It must be: made of stainless steel (aluminum isn't considered fire proof). It must contain the following information: Manufacturer Model Serial Number The information must be EXACTLY as it's printed on your registration hard card. You do not have to use anyone's manufactured tag, you can make it yourself. I bought a set of 1/8th steel stamps from Harbor Freight so I could make them as needed and not have to go to an engraving shop. This has been covered in previous posts, and as was noted then, the information on the tag MUST be EXACTLY as it is on the hard card. You can guess why the blob is on the upper right corner of this one from my trike. Rick On 9/25/07, ropermike wrote: > > > Never exceed speed for Mk ll is 80 mph according to the old construction > booklet I acquired with my plane....Stall speed is about 37 mph for my > little fatty, 424lbs dry plus Fuel and Pilot. Stall with passenger aboard is > 40 mph...I gave a 5 mph yellow warning before stall and before 80 mph. We > have a sign shop that builds signs for us at my work. I measured my airspeed > indicator with a caliper and had him cut me three circles, red, yellow and > green. He makes signs with vinyl and sticky backing. I carefully cut and > applied the partial circles to my indicator......ELT is mounted on a > aluminum plate I riveted to the two tubing members just behind the pilots > seat. I had to move and reglue the mobile antenna on top as I have a strobe > box just beside the elt. Elt remote is installed on panel. (see pic). The > antenna was the tough one. I finally mounted it on the top of my aluminum > gap seal using a generous doubler.......N number is on the boom tube....My > inspection is scheduled for! > Thursday, 9-27-07. Keep fingers crossed for me!.......Mike > > -------- > The next best thing to playing and winning is playing and losing!...Mike > Hillger > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136314#136314 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/elt_remote_652.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/elt_202.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/as_ind_796.jpg > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:28:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ADIZ Helicopter interception From: "jb92563" Thats one job I would not want ... being a target dummy in a missle firing range. Kudos though since you lasted the week without getting shot down. There must be some sort of Plaque or Trophy for that feat right? Guess those Coast Guard boys don't aim very well. [Laughing] -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136397#136397 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:34 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Kolb-List: Primer My 4-pharty-7 used to take 5-6 smart pulls to start, but after T-ing one of Mark Smith's tiny primers into fuel line coming out of tank, and one or two thumb-pushes of the primer, she(?) starts on first pull. The primer is a black rubber(?) half dome, less than an inch dia./high. Not wanting to run fuel lines way up to the IP, I mounted it on a small bracket abt shoulder high on the rt. cage "vertical" diagonal. Too short in arms to reach panel anyhow. And line goes directly to carb throat, through existing fitting. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:59 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar replaced Well I got my airworthy inspection on my Firestar taken care of last week got the test flying done Loaded her in the trailer and headed off to Minnesota from Maine I turned the Firestar over to its new owner that you guys will probably be hearing from and 4 Days later I am back home with a new never built kit # M3X 002 00011 to build so Vic I will fly your plane any time you want me to and anyone elses as long as its a KOLB untill I get this Bird in flying condition Ellery in Maine Building again Oh but what fun it is do not archive ************************************** See what's new at ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:04 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I finally flew it! FWIT, when I put the 180hp conversion on my 170; it required an electric fuel pump in series with the engine-driven mechanical pump. This in addition to gravity-feed; which in high-wing Cessnas ( at least in normal flight attitudes) is all you normally would ever need. Original engine (Continental 0-300) had a single mechanical fuel pump on the engine. Don't know why they added the electric pump for the 180 conversion. Must have found some weird maneuver that required more fuel -- or someone's brother-in-law sells fuel pumps. Never saw or heard of a fuel filter bypass. This DAR sounds ??? do not archive On Sep 25, 2007, at 1:40 PM, Thom Riddle wrote: > > Dana, > > If you have a squeeze bulb in place to fill the float bowl, then > adding a tee and shut-off valve to prime the carb too, that would > satisfy both requirements. > > The parallel/series debate has been beat to death. But for what > it's worth, Standard Category Type Certificated aircraft put > auxiliary fuel pumps (which a squeeze bulb is in this case) in > parallel with the primary pump, but these are invariably very > reliable electric pumps, not squeeze bulbs. This provides an > alternate path for the fuel in case the primary pump becomes > blocked or otherwise fails. That said, our Special LSA Allegro > (factory built) has the aux. electric in series with the mechanical > engine driven pump, but this is done to avoid the rather difficult > plumbing problem that would result if piped in parallel. > > do not archive > > -------- > Thom in Buffalo > N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL > N197BG FS1/447 > -------------------- > "Setting an example is not the main means of influencing > another, it is the only means." > Albert Einstein > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136374#136374 > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:04:31 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gap Seal From: "jb92563" Without the gap seal you are going to have some kind of degraded performance....we can all agree, even if is is not that noticeable. You will also have more turbulence over your tail due to the extra vortices effecting controlability. I think we can all agree that Gap Seal WILL improve things. The consequences of NOT using a gap seal can be minor or even Hazardous to your health. My Ultrastar has a fiberglass Gap seal, but Im sure aluminum or fabric are just as good or better. I'd say use the Gap seal and have a better flying safer aircraft. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136406#136406 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:16:45 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Kolb-List: faa "inspections" Several years ago during a fly-in I had an encounter with a 'friendly' who insisted that I put a nut on a welded bolt at upper aileron/flaperon hinge/pushrod on my FireFly. Bolt can't move, turn, or come out..and hinged part can't leave! Ran a ESN on and he smiled. regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ do not archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:24 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: faa "inspections" From: "planecrazzzy" The Firestar has a bolt like that on the control tube.... The prints say it doesn't need a bolt....My Airworthiness inspector made me put one on anyway....Oh well... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Buttercup-STOL/ .. .. .. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136432#136432 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:15 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I finally flew it! From: "planecrazzzy" Here's a picture of my primer bulb "By-pass" Just close the valve , squeeze the bulb , then open the valve... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136434#136434 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/squeeze_bulb_bypass_valve_003_951.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/squeeze_bulb_bypass_valve_001_151.jpg ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:34 PM PST US From: WillUribe@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gap Seal Here are pictures of some of the repair I have to make. ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:29 PM PST US From: LEE CREECH Subject: RE: Kolb-List: faa "inspections" I had a local "designated inspector", or whatever they're called, take the same issue with that "bolt" on my Firestar -- which is actually a welded-u p part of the airframe, not functionally a bolt at all, but he was reluctan t to acknowledge that obvious fact. Apparently since it began life as a bo lt, it can never be anything else, and therefore requires a nut. I saw it as a rather humorous illustration of the bureaucratic mind-set. Lee Firestar II > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:13:27 -0400> From: a58r@verizon.net > Subject: Kolb-List: faa "inspections"> To: kolb-list@matronics.com> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Bob Noyer > > Several years ago during a fly-in I had an encounter with a > 'friendly' who insisted th at I put a nut on a welded bolt at upper > aileron/flaperon hinge/pushrod o n my FireFly. Bolt can't move, turn, > or come out..and hinged part can't l eave! Ran a ESN on and he smiled.> > regards,> Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb> =======> > > _________________________________________________________________ Capture your memories in an online journal! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:21:01 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy@kilocharlie.us> Subject: Kolb-List: Homecoming flyin Well if the weather holds as forecast, will aviate to the Kolb Homecoming flyin. Won't be "Kolb'in" as the little project is languishing behind a new roof and a runway extension.but will be admiring the other planes. Should have a couple of flying buddies with me as well.look forward to a couple of good days of flying and conversatin'. Jeremy Casey P.S. John H. do we still want to have the VG demonstration/fly-off? ;-) ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:05 PM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: gap seal I have never seen an ultrastar.... but unless it folds differently than the mkIIIc it should be possible. Boyd > >With the way I built my gap seal, I can fold the wings without removing >it. That sure sounds convenient... but I don't think it's possible on an Ultrastar. -Dana -- ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:31 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Homecoming flyin Hi Jeremy: Good to hear you are coming to the Kolb Homecoming. By all means. I would love to see how my old fat gal will perform against...........which airplane? the S7? Be a good comparison between VGs/pusher/and puller. That means I need to arrive at Labhart field with near empty fuel tank, change the 8.00X6's to 5X6's, take out the left seat, radio, gps, plb, seat covers, stick grip, and the dip stick. Probably could drain a quart of oil and still be on the safe side. The ELT will come out in the morning because I got a PLB. That'll save 5 lbs right there. Plan on marrying up with John B and John W in Muscle Shoals, AL, tomorrow evening. RON Muscle Shoals and fly the rest of the way to Labhart Field Thursday. James T is flying up in his FSII Thursday morning. Take care, john h mkIII Jeremy Casey P.S. John H. do we still want to have the VG demonstration/fly-off? ;-) ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:25 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: gap seal At 07:46 PM 9/25/2007, boyd wrote: > >I have never seen an ultrastar.... but unless it folds differently than >the mkIIIc it should be possible. The US does fold differently... the pivot is on the front fitting; the upper surface faces inwards (and trailing edge down) when folded. Actually I'm quite pleased with the clear vinyl and velcro gap seal I made. I like being able to look up and back through it, and as the vinyl is stiffer than fabric, it doesn't flutter at all. -Dana -- -- "I'm a lawyer." "Honest?" "No, the usual kind." ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:34 PM PST US From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?No=EBl_Bouchard?= Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb MK III Extra for sale (more infos / Picts) Hello all Kolbers ! I have received some more information for my fiend's beeautiful MK III wxtra and also a few pictures. Kolb mark III extra 2004, rotax 912 , prop warpdrive, 150 tt, dual control, dual oil wheel break, elevator trim, 2 fuel pump, gascoletor, intercom, flaps, one instrument panel, cruise 80 mph @ 5,000 rpm, 1300 fpm solo, 3 gph, The plane is in Montreal, Canada and the asking price is: $32 000 Pictures: http://www.flickr.com/photos/kolb_flying/ The 5 first pictures .. The rest are a selection of picture i have taken around Montreal flying my 1990 TwinStar MK II with Rotax 503 ... Thanks and ... safe flying Noel Bouchard ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ELT Installation From: "cristalclear13" Thanks for the information and pictures Mike. I have a cloth gap seal...don't know where I could put my antenna. My Mark II is fully enclosed but there is no divider between the seats and the gas tanks. Someone suggested putting a brace around the very front of the boom tube and mounting the ELT there and perhaps putting the antenna behind that. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136457#136457 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:59 PM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Homecoming flyin In a message dated 9/25/2007 8:37:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: Plan on marrying up with John B and John W WoW John, last time I talked to you, You said you were not getting Hitched Agin. ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:46 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Homecoming flyin Not only that, it sounds like some sort of polygamy thing. Sigh... The country is going to the dogs.... Sigh... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: N27SB@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 9:57 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Homecoming flyin In a message dated 9/25/2007 8:37:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes: Plan on marrying up with John B and John W WoW John, last time I talked to you, You said you were not getting Hitched Agin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: [ Vincent Nicely ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! From: Email List Photo Shares A new Email List Photo Share is available: Poster: Vincent Nicely Lists: Kolb-List Subject: Broken Throttle Lever on Firestar II http://www.matronics.com/photoshare/vincenic1@embarqmail.com.09.25.2007/index.html ---------------------------------------------------------- o Main Photo Share Index http://www.matronics.com/photoshare o Submitting a Photo Share If you wish to submit a Photo Share of your own, please include the following information along with your email message and files: 1) Email List or Lists that they are related to: 2) Your Full Name: 3) Your Email Address: 4) One line Subject description: 5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic: 6) One-line Description of each photo or file: Email the information above and your files and photos to: pictures@matronics.com ---------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:35 PM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: [ Vincent Nicely ] : New Email List Photo Share Available! Was the aftermath of the flight more interesting than usual? Or just more challenging? 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