---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 09/30/07: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:45 AM - Re: ADIZ Helicopter interception (JetPilot) 2. 05:12 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 3. 06:26 AM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate (planecrazzzy) 4. 07:17 AM - Re: Re: Kolb Twinstar Should I get it? (Craig Nelson) 5. 10:40 AM - Re: New Warp Drive (JetPilot) 6. 10:52 AM - Re: New Warp Drive (Richard Girard) 7. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: New Warp Drive (Richard Girard) 8. 04:06 PM - Re: Re: New Warp Drive (possums) 9. 05:33 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate (George Alexander) 10. 06:03 PM - Re: Airworthiness Certificate (Jim ODay) 11. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Primer (Dana Hague) 12. 07:27 PM - Re: Re: Firefly Landing speed (possums) 13. 07:47 PM - Re: ELT Installation (cristalclear13) 14. 08:35 PM - Re: Re: ELT Installation (Bob Noyer) 15. 08:36 PM - Re: Re: ELT Installation (Bob Noyer) 16. 08:46 PM - Re: Re: New Warp Drive (Richard Girard) 17. 09:42 PM - Re: Re: New Warp Drive (DAquaNut@aol.com) 18. 10:27 PM - Re: Re: New Warp Drive (Richard Girard) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:45:36 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ADIZ Helicopter interception From: "JetPilot" They want to make sure you do not spot the Mexican citizens the Mexican government is helping to cross the border... Mexicans working in this country and sending money back home is Mexico's second largest source of income after oil exports. You could also spot some shipments of drugs coming across the border, which would also be bad for the Mexican economy. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137245#137245 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:12:05 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Airworthiness Certificate I used the 3D drawing that came with the plans and I never got questions about it but You never know with the FAA I think the inspections vary from one another even with the same inspector as I have seen being involved with 7 different planes this year The same inspector didnt have a problem with my 3D drawing but told another guy he should have pics of his plane with his N-Number in them I didnt Ellery in Maine do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:29 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Airworthiness Certificate From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Guys, I had to deal with the FAA guy first...Then , last thing was the DAR to look it over, and the FAA guy wanted him to Witness a taxi too But the FAA guy wanted pictures....( 3 views ) Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137254#137254 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/airworthinessinspection_052_137.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:34 AM PST US Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Twinstar Should I get it? From: "Craig Nelson" Grant r u a dental tec? Craig Nelson Technical Representative Heraeus 99 Business Park Drive Armonk, NY 10504 Phone: (800) 431-1785 x 739 Direct: 623-764-0680 Craig.Nelson@heraeus.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of grantr Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 8:03 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Kolb Twinstar Should I get it? I am in Plains, GA. I work in Americus. Ive been through Waycross a few times going to Savannah. I will be heading to St Simmons soon for a work conference. yes I am the same guy. I watch that add for a while. I almost called the guy but I was a bit weary of it be the older model. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=136997#136997 The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination, or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you receive this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:40:42 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: New Warp Drive From: "JetPilot" Here is a report of someone using a Warp Drive prop on a B - Gear box. I agree very strongly with his suggestion of using Synthetic Mobil 1 Gearbox oil, not just with a warp drive, but with any prop ! " I'm not John, but try a two blade 64" Warp, (or be really conservative and use a 62" two blade Warp) and use only Mobil One synthetic in your gearbox, and you'll probably get by without hurting the gearbox, and you'll probably be very satisfied. I got a couple hundred hours out of my B box with a Warp 66" two blade, but that was with ordinary gearbox lube. A shorter prop and better lube and you ought to do OK. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (42oldpoops) " -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137281#137281 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:36 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New Warp Drive The second sentence should read, "from the old days". On 9/30/07, Richard Girard wrote: > > I made an attachment plate from a piece of scrap plywood. The two smaller > holes at 90 degrees to the centerline were used to test an old Soarmaster > prop from the olds when you had to foot launch ultralights. I used .032 > safety wire to suspend the prop being tested from a piece of square steel > tubing I "C" clamped from the hangar frame and braced the tube with a couple > of pieces of steel flat stock I took from my scrap bin. The whole apparatus > took about 15 minutes to make. I used the stop watch I bought for testing Vx > and Vy speeds during phase 1 testing of my mk 3 and repeated the test 3 > times and took the average time. About the hardest thing about it all was > trying to eliminate as much of any extraneous side to side rocking as > possible. With a little practice I got pretty good at eyeballing the center > mark as being in the center of the twisting motion. Once you get it moving > with the center mark as still as possible you can count 30 swings, write > down the time, count 30 more, write down the second time and count 30 more. > Like any pendulum, as the arc gets shorter the speed the arc slows down. In > doing 95 to 100 total swings to get three 30 swing tests each set was within > a few tenths of a second for each of the three. With mounting and > dismounting, I tested five props in about an hour and a half, and that > included a break to make a pot of coffee in the middle of the testing. > > Rick > > On 9/30/07, DAquaNut@aol.com wrote: > > > > In a message dated 9/29/2007 9:02:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > jindoguy@gmail.com writes: > > > > Ed, There's one more thing I forgot to mention. Did you get the blades > > tapered? If not, you might want to consider sending the blades back to warp > > and getting it done. This will take weight off the area that has the largest > > effect on the inertia of the prop. > > > > Rick > > > > Rick, > > > > Yes I did get the blades tapered . Thanks for your replies and the > > info on inertia testing. I plan on testing as soon as I can. It is not real > > clear as to how they attach the wires to the prop but I will try to rig it > > like the diagram. > > > > Ed > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > > > > * > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > * > > > > > > > -- > Rick Girard > "Ya'll drop on in" > takes on a whole new meaning > when you live at the airport. > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:40:46 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Warp Drive Another question occurred to me while out walking the dog, just now. Ed, you didn't mention whether your 447 is a single carb or dual. If it's the dual carb, make sure and do the carb synchronization as accurately as you possibly can. Anything you can do to make the engine run as smooth as possible is going to make the loads on the gearbox that much less. Of course, if you have a single carb, in the words of Emily Littela, "Never mind". Rick On 9/30/07, JetPilot wrote: > > > Here is a report of someone using a Warp Drive prop on a B - Gear box. I > agree very strongly with his suggestion of using Synthetic Mobil 1 Gearbox > oil, not just with a warp drive, but with any prop ! > > > " I'm not John, but try a two blade 64" Warp, (or be really conservative > and use a 62" two blade Warp) and use only Mobil One synthetic in your > gearbox, and you'll probably get by without hurting the gearbox, and you'll > probably be very satisfied. I got a couple hundred hours out of my B box > with a Warp 66" two blade, but that was with ordinary gearbox lube. A > shorter prop and better lube and you ought to do OK. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (42oldpoops) " > > -------- > "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have > !!! > > Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137281#137281 > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:05 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Warp Drive At 03:40 PM 9/30/2007, you wrote: >Another question occurred to me while out walking the dog, just now. >Ed, you didn't mention whether your 447 is a single carb or dual. If >it's the dual carb, make sure and do the carb synchronization as >accurately as you possibly can. Anything you can do to make the >engine run as smooth as possible is going to make the loads on the >gearbox that much less. Of course, if you have a single carb, in the >words of Emily Littela, "Never mind". > >Rick I've got a 68" three blade Warp Drive on mine. I've also got a 503 dual carb and an "E" (same as "C" with a starter) gear box. 700 + hours so far and no problems. I wouldn't think a two blade 64" Warp would hurt - even if it is a lowly, finicky 447. If it so - we surely would have heard about it by now. I use to run a two blade 68" Warp on my old single carb 447 Firestar and never had any problems. It might sink a little faster than an Ivo if you land in the water........but other than that? Besides, I've sealed my wings now - so I can float ! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Airworthiness Certificate From: "George Alexander" Kolbers and Kolbettes: I sent a copy of the FS II document that I used to Matt for posting on Photoshare. (Beauford had given me a copy from a brochure, I think.) For those who can't wait, you can see it/download it by going to: http://kolbplanes.home.comcast.net/FSII_3_View_bw.jpg and if you have trouble handling that, send me an email, off list, and I will email you a copy. (Apprx 200K in size.) lcottrell wrote: > > > > > Today I had my airworthiness inspection. Everything was in working order > > and passed the DAR's inspection. > > > > > > > > Did you need a three view line drawing of your plane, if so where did you > get it and how can I get one? > Larry C -------- George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137333#137333 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:09 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Airworthiness Certificate From: "Jim ODay" The 3 View DWG I used is posted here ... http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=29607&highlight do not archive -------- Jim O'Day Fargo, ND Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137337#137337 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:15 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Primer At 02:24 PM 9/29/2007, R. Hankins wrote: >...a contact number for Mark Smith? Mark's mainly a Quicksilver guy, his website is http://trikite.com/ . -Dana do not archive -- -- "I'm a lawyer." "Honest?" "No, the usual kind." ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:42 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly Landing speed At 08:50 PM 5/5/2007, you wrote: ----- Howbout this one? This is the explanation of a pretty neat card trick you can do for friends over the Web. In order to do the trick, you'll need five things: * a deck of cards; * access to the Web; * someone to show the trick to; * an understanding of the trick's secret; and * practice. The effect of the trick is as follows: the magician opens this Web page but doesn't touch the computer for the duration of the trick. The spectator is given a deck of cards, and asked to choose any five cards; these cards can be chosen at random, or the spectator can choose five cards he wants to use. The magician takes one of the five cards out of the set, and asks his friend to enter the other four cards into a form on the Web page (a working version can be found below). The Guess button is pressed, and a picture of the fifth card is displayed. In this document, I explain everything about the trick except for its secret. But hints are given to figure out how the trick is done, and you can always beg me to tell you. http://www.minortriad.com/cards.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah - you can beg all you want - but he won't tell you - hints come slow and hard took me two years to figure it out! How about if I give you a clue - ? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ELT Installation From: "cristalclear13" Hi guys. Sorry if I'm boring you with this thread. I had a mechanic come out and look at my plane. He seemed to think it would NOT be a good idea to put any holes in the boom tube (to install my ELT) or thought I should at least call Kolb company and see if they would tell me where a good place to put my ELT would be. Has anyone done that (don't want to bother them if they've already answered that question a hundred times)? If I did install the ELT to the boom tube, is there a place where I should/shouldn't put any holes? I've attached Plan B. We came up with the idea to make an aluminum plate and rivet it to the frame just behind the passenger's head (I have a Kolb Mark II two-seater side-by-side). Thought there might be enough room on there to also attach the antenna. Only drawback would be it would block where my left gas tank comes in and out. I don't plan on taking that in and out much though. -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=137353#137353 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/elt_installation_plan_b_185.bmp ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:11 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: ELT Installation To rivet, you'll have to drill holes in the cage tubes...possibly weakening them. How about making/buying some clamps that will go around/grip the tubes and can be riveted to the mounting plate? If behind the pax seat, you most certainly don't want to give him/her a "shot to the head" on a sudden halt! regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:21 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: ELT Installation There are much better places to mount the ELT antenna than in among the cage tubing. Tip of fin, on a big clamp around boom, belly (if you land on yer back!). regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:02 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Warp Drive I run a 68" 3 blade un tapered Warp Drive on my 582 with a "C" gearbox and have had no problems The Warp has high inertia but it falls within limits, barely. Even so I always change throttle settings smooth and gradual. I was running a Rice King clutch but I worked a trade for the standard rubber donut drive damper and some flying time at Wallaby Ranch when I go to Sun n Fun 2008 next April so I've got to follow all the advice I've been handing out to Ed. :-) Rick On 9/30/07, possums wrote: > > At 03:40 PM 9/30/2007, you wrote: > >Another question occurred to me while out walking the dog, just now. > >Ed, you didn't mention whether your 447 is a single carb or dual. If > >it's the dual carb, make sure and do the carb synchronization as > >accurately as you possibly can. Anything you can do to make the > >engine run as smooth as possible is going to make the loads on the > >gearbox that much less. Of course, if you have a single carb, in the > >words of Emily Littela, "Never mind". > > > >Rick > > I've got a 68" three blade Warp Drive on mine. > I've also got a 503 dual carb and an "E" (same as "C" with a starter) gear > box. > 700 + hours so far and no problems. > I wouldn't think a two blade 64" Warp would hurt - even if it is a > lowly, finicky 447. > If it so - we surely would have heard about it by now. > I use to run a two blade 68" Warp on my old single carb 447 Firestar > and never had any problems. It might sink a little faster than an Ivo if > you > land in the water........but other than that? > Besides, I've sealed my wings now - so I can float ! > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:24 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Warp Drive In a message dated 9/30/2007 10:46:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, jindoguy@gmail.com writes: I run a 68" 3 blade un tapered Warp Drive on my 582 with a "C" gearbox and have had no problems The Warp has high inertia but it falls within limits, barely. Even so I always change throttle settings smooth and gradual. I was running a Rice King clutch but I worked a trade for the standard rubber donut drive damper and some flying time at Wallaby Ranch when I go to Sun n Fun 2008 next April so I've got to follow all the advice I've been handing out to Ed. :-) Rick At this point I would like to know if I have enough clearance on my firefly, to run the 64"Warp without a spacer. It doesn't seem to flex at all ! If In fact I do need a spacer can I use grade 5 bolts? Ed ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:05 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: New Warp Drive Ed, I don't run a spacer on my Warp Drive and the prop blades don't seem to flex at all. I would run the 8.8 spec metric bolts that came with the prop (equivalent to grade 6 AN bolts). Grade 5 bolts are a carbon steel bolt, while the 8.8, like the AN's are an alloy steel. The difference is in the alloy steels ability to bend without getting brittle as the grade 5's do. Rick On 10/1/07, DAquaNut@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 9/30/2007 10:46:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, > jindoguy@gmail.com writes: > > I run a 68" 3 blade un tapered Warp Drive on my 582 with a "C" gearbox and > have had no problems The Warp has high inertia but it falls within limits, > barely. Even so I always change throttle settings smooth and gradual. I was > running a Rice King clutch but I worked a trade for the standard rubber > donut drive damper and some flying time at Wallaby Ranch when I go to Sun n > Fun 2008 next April so I've got to follow all the advice I've been handing > out to Ed. :-) > > Rick > > At this point I would like to know if I have enough > clearance on my firefly, to run the 64"Warp without a spacer. It doesn't > seem to flex at all ! If In fact I do need a spacer can I use grade 5 > bolts? > > Ed > > > ------------------------------ > See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage. > > * > > > * > > -- Rick Girard "Ya'll drop on in" takes on a whole new meaning when you live at the airport. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.