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1. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: New Warp Drive (Larry Cottrell)
2. 08:35 AM - Re: Mark III LSA paperwork (DBforfun@aol.com)
3. 09:13 AM - Re: Mark III LSA paperwork (Jim ODay)
4. 09:18 AM - Re: Re: Mark III LSA paperwork (Richard Pike)
5. 10:05 AM - Grand Vortex Generator Challenge (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
6. 10:16 AM - Re: ELT Installation (icrashrc)
7. 11:55 AM - More ELT mounting pics (Richard Girard)
8. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: ELT Installation (The Kuffels)
9. 03:03 PM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge (Richard Pike)
10. 04:21 PM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge (John Hauck)
11. 06:09 PM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge (Richard Pike)
12. 06:25 PM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge (John Hauck)
13. 07:10 PM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge (Earl & Mim Zimmerman)
14. 07:26 PM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge (Denny Rowe)
15. 07:35 PM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
16. 07:36 PM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge (John Hauck)
17. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: Firefly Landing speed (beauford T)
18. 07:51 PM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge (John Hauck)
19. 11:01 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
20. 11:05 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: New Warp Drive |
I ran a 68 warp drive on my Firestar and it did alright, however the
fabric was getting a real beating and the noise was pretty bad. I put a
spacer on it that required 6 1/4 8.8 bolts in it. I ordered them
through John Deere, the only place I could find them, but there are
others.
Larry C
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At this point I would like to know if I have enough
clearance on my firefly, to run the 64"Warp without a spacer. It
doesn't seem to flex at all ! If In fact I do need a spacer can I use
grade 5 bolts?
Ed
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III LSA paperwork |
I have a Mark III that was originally fitted with a 503 and now I am
installing a 912 ULS and I am registering it LSA.
Does anyone have copies of the paperwork that you used to license your Kolb
on your computer that you could send to me that I can use as a guide line to
make the necessary documents, etc to finish the process with mine.
I have the kit from the EAA and I have the N number and the registration
from the FAA.
I am in the process of finishing the installation of the engine and a new
panel. I have to now finish the paperwork and as soon as the engine and panel
are finished call for the inspection.
Also I have a question about safety wire on the prop bolts and prop
extension bolts. Since the bolts are held on with lock nuts in both instances,
rather
than threading into a flange, will the inspector require that I drill the
bolt heads and safety wire them?
I really appreciate the info I have gotten from this forum. You guys have
helped me tremendously.
Thanks
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III LSA paperwork |
Dan:
Send me an e-mail off and I will scan my paperwork and send it to you for reference.
I used the EAA checklist, but you can see another sample.
jimo(at)odayequipment(dot)com
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Fargo, ND
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Re: Mark III LSA paperwork |
Lock nuts on a non-rotating bolt should be sufficient.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: DBforfun@aol.com
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 11:34 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark III LSA paperwork
<snip>
Also I have a question about safety wire on the prop bolts and prop
extension bolts. Since the bolts are held on with lock nuts in both
instances, rather than threading into a flange, will the inspector
require that I drill the bolt heads and safety wire them?
I really appreciate the info I have gotten from this forum. You guys
have helped me tremendously.
Thanks
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| Subject: | Grand Vortex Generator Challenge |
I just got back fro the Kolb Homecoming. Richard Pike and John Hauck
faced off for the Grand Vortex Generator Challenge. It was a draw!!!!!!!
As a bit of a background:
Richard Pike - He has a highly modified MKIII with the most VGs I have
ever seen on one airplane with 582 Rotax. It is light, streamlined and
clearly configured for slow flight.
John Hauck - His airplane MKIII is clearly built for a different
mission. It is in comparison more than 100 lbs heaver than Richards
airplane and has no VGs. I assumed that John would surely be eating
crow.
They did three slow flight fly overs at app. 500ft. The winner would fly
the slowest.
John H. clearly wanted to win. John was flying with full flaps and had
the power on to maintain altitude in a mush. On the first pass John must
have stalled ten times and lost some altitude at one point but held even
with Richard. On the last two passes John had the routine down and only
stalled a few times but was on the edge again holding even with Richard.
Richard was rock solid on all passes with not a hint of stall but not
noticeably any slower. John said he saw Richard occasionally used flaps
but it wasn't something we could see from the ground. It appeared
Richard had a much easier time flying.
As a final observation: With the weight differences Richard should have
won. The effort John put in to keeping slowed down with Richard would
make up for the weight difference. I find it hard to believe but it
would appear that the VGs didn't help a bit.
Will this settle the controversy? Don't think so.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
Here's where my ELT is. It's mounted on a Kevlar panel under the right seat.
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www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | More ELT mounting pics |
Although I'm not fond of this mounting scheme, simply slipping a couple of
insulated clamps around frame members, it does work and it's quick and
dirty. The antenna mount I'm even less fond, but once again, it gets the job
done.
One note on ELT's. The cable going to the panel switch seems to be designed
for mounting in the extreme aft of something the size of a B-52. I see a lot
of installations, like mine, that has the excess cable wadded up and nylon
tied. As you can see from the picture, the cable on this model comes
straight out of the case. I have an ACK 450 for my FireStar that has a phone
plug so the cable can be replaced. Unfortunately, I can't just substitute a
phone cord more near the length required. Phone cords run straight through
from plug to plug. ELT cords have a 180 twist so that, for instance, if the
red wire is connected to the first terminal on one end, it's connected to
first terminal on the other end, too, whereas on a phone cord it would be
connected to the fourth terminal.
Regardless, a $10 tool from Rat Shack and a $.99 pack of plugs are all you
need to shorten up this cable and make the installation a little neater.
Rick
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Rick Girard
"Ya'll drop on in"
takes on a whole new meaning
when you live at the airport.
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| Subject: | Re: ELT Installation |
<< There are much better places to mount the ELT antenna than in
among the cage tubing. >>
Actually, the inside of a large cage like a Kolb is a very good
place to mount an ELT and its antenna. It is not a good
electrical location but the problem with ELT antennas is they
tend to be be removed in a crash. The signal from inside a
mangled cage is quite usable whereas the signal from an ELT with
no antenna is non-existent.
Such was the case with many of the several hundred searches I
flew in Alaska. On the other hand, when I crashed a few years
ago, the signal from inside the fiberglass tailcone (surrounded
by bits of metal) was so strong Search & Rescue couldn't zero in
on it because of all the reflections bouncing off the surrounding
mountains.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge |
Pretty good analysis, now let me fill in the gaps from my onboard
perspective...
John and I taxied out, we had discussed it and I was supposed to take
off first, he would join up with me, we turn final together at around 50
and then slow down to whatever. I got to the runup area and discovered I
had no radio. (My bad, I had been using my noise canceling earbuds in
conjunction with my headset, and discovered about half way home that the
plug for the earbuds wasn't all the way in.) Sat in the runup area,
fiddled with the cords and plugs for a while, decided the radio had
died, and went ahead and took off.
First pass, I never did see John, had no idea where he was. The idea of
flying a semi-formation with anybody that I can't talk to and can't see
is not my idea of a smiley-face event, so my desire to fly as slow as
possible was balanced by my desire to make real sure that I held my
altitude exactly, and did not stall. (Emphasis on the "did not stall") I
figured that if he could see me, and I didn't do anything but fly
straight and level, no one would get hurt. Earlier Saturday, while I was
passing over London, Ky, I tried a little slow flight flight just to
brush up, and in perfectly smooth air, I could get the airspeed to read
22-23 before it stalled. Obviously not an accurate reading, but at least
a reference number. During the pass down the runway, in somewhat bumpy
air, I felt uncomfortable getting below 26 indicated, because I couldn't
see my wingman, and if I stalled and got into him... There are no
excuses for being dumb and hurting your buddies.
Second pass, I could see John, he was slightly ahead of me to my right
and lower, it looked like our speeds matched, I was using about 5300 rpm
and trying to hold 26 indicated. I noticed that as we got toward the
east end of the runway, John was climbing, and I actually had to start a
left turn to stay out of his way. I assumed that he had decided thrust
was a good substitute for lift... (Great idea, wish I'd thought of it)
Third pass, once again, I never saw John, had no idea where he was, and
once again, my goal was to fly as slow as possible without any
possibility of a stall. Passing the end of the runway, I headed for
home. I never used any flaps, my airplane is set up to have flaps at 1)
a slight reflex, 2) in line with the ailerons, 3) slightly below the
ailerons, 3) fifteen and 4) thirty degrees. They were aligned with the
ailerons, I never touched them.
To claim that in perfect conditions I might have been able to fly slower
begs the question. Anyone can do well in perfect conditions, I was
simply outflown. I think it would be accurate to say that if you can fly
as well as John, (Being able to manage slow flight while constantly
stalling & recovering reflects excellent pilot abilities, my compliments
on an great display of skill) while using full flaps and 100 HP to help
hold you up, then you probably do not need VG's, (Which enable you to
fly equally slow at partial power without stalling. Which I did, no
stalls at all.) <grin>
But then there is 100 pounds difference between the airplanes, (Mine
weighs about 550) so we are back to square one. Which is that both my
MKIII and the FSII in the hangar next to me stall about 5 or 6 mph
slower than they did w/o VG's, and handle much better just above the
stall. And that John in Miss P'fer is motivated enough to outfly any VG
modified Kolb around, and maybe good enough to pull it off.
Conclusion: Rick is right, the controversy is what we live for, and this
surely will not settle it. The fun never ends...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 1:01 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge
I just got back fro the Kolb Homecoming. Richard Pike and John Hauck
faced off for the Grand Vortex Generator Challenge. It was a draw!!!!!!!
As a bit of a background:
Richard Pike - He has a highly modified MKIII with the most VGs I have
ever seen on one airplane with 582 Rotax. It is light, streamlined and
clearly configured for slow flight.
John Hauck - His airplane MKIII is clearly built for a different
mission. It is in comparison more than 100 lbs heaver than Richards
airplane and has no VGs. I assumed that John would surely be eating
crow.
They did three slow flight fly overs at app. 500ft. The winner would
fly the slowest.
John H. clearly wanted to win. John was flying with full flaps and had
the power on to maintain altitude in a mush. On the first pass John must
have stalled ten times and lost some altitude at one point but held even
with Richard. On the last two passes John had the routine down and only
stalled a few times but was on the edge again holding even with Richard.
Richard was rock solid on all passes with not a hint of stall but not
noticeably any slower. John said he saw Richard occasionally used flaps
but it wasn't something we could see from the ground. It appeared
Richard had a much easier time flying.
As a final observation: With the weight differences Richard should
have won. The effort John put in to keeping slowed down with Richard
would make up for the weight difference. I find it hard to believe but
it would appear that the VGs didn't help a bit.
Will this settle the controversy? Don't think so.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge |
Rick, Rev, Folks:
We all had a great time at the Kolb Homecoming, everyone from Homer Kolb
right on down to the newest guy that was shopping and wishing for his
very first Kolb. The weather could not have been better. Food was
great, at no cost to the participants. The Kolb folks worked extremely
hard to insure we all had an enjoyable, fun time. My thanks to Bruce
Chesnut for keeping Kolb alive and well for all of us to keep on flying
the best there is, Kolb aircraft.
Now for my side of the story. ;-)
Richard asked me, just prior to his departure, if I still wanted to do
the VG/regular guy flyoff. Sure! I was ready to do slow flight, short
takeoff/landing, and climb. We could have also done slow speed
maneuvering, but I forgot about that. Anyhow, we agreed to do the side
by side slow flight contest. Spent about 10 seconds getting our act
together. Richard was already cranked when I walked over to discuss it
with him.
I was down at the west end of the strip warming up my engine when
Richard taxied up with an inop radio. Would have been much better if we
could have had comm in the air, but we didn't. I couldn't tell him I
was not ready for take off when he took off ahead of me.
When my engine oil temp got up to 120F, I was ready to go. I caught up
with Richard and got in on his right wing after he started his first
slow flight run to the east. I admit, I did not get settled down until
about midway down the strip and lost about 50 feet in the process.
Horsepower had nothing to do with keeping my mkIII flying. I was
turning 3000 rpm, using 40 degrees of flaps. It is more difficult
flying off someone's wing, constantly looking at his aircraft, while
trying to keep my mkIII as close to stall as I can. Once it nibbles
over the edge, it is going to lose a little altitude, change pitch
attitude, and require a lot of flying by the pilot to keep it airborne.
When I got settled down, so did the mkIII, flying at 3000 rpm on the
plus edge of the stall.
Richard was actually flying lead, which demands he trust my ability to
fly off him. As a non-military pilot, he probably did not understand
that and was concerned that I was going to prang him, or him me. That
was not going to happen. I would hope that Richard had enough
confidence in me to know I would not fly under him so he could hit me if
he stalled.
The air was slightly turbulent which lent to better competition between
Richard and I, since we were both flying in the same air. Since I
thought Richard had shared with us that VGs made slow flight more
comfortable, he would have felt that way and gotten his mkIII slowed
down to max.
If we ever do this again, there should be two runs, with each aircraft
flying lead and wingman.
Richard, you did not have to turn left to get out of my way on the end
of the second run. I started a climb and right break at the east end of
the strip because that run was complete. Again, had your radio been
operational, I would have called out my climb and right break. However,
I can assure you, you were never in any danger of me climbing any
direction but straight out with a hard right break. I was flying right
wing on Richard.
Richard says he never touched his flaps. I watched them deploy,
momentarily approximately 20 degrees several times during each run. At
the time I could not understand why he would pull them down and
immediately retract them. I still don't. I started my run with 40
degrees of flaps each run. Probably should have flown with half flaps,
20 degrees, but that is history.
Richard claims his VGs allow him to fly slower. Guess if I had them, I
could really fly slow.
I do not know how much difference in weight there is between Richard's
and my mkIII's, but probably much more than 100 lbs. My aircraft
weighed approximately 630 lbs in 1994 with a 912. I can assure you
airplanes do not get lighter with age. I would guess nearer to 150 to
200 lbs more than Richard's. I went to a heavier 912ULS in 2000.
Richard is flying with a 582. I don't know if he flies with a BRS or
not. Only one way to find out, have a weigh off. hehehe
Anyhow, you all know how the weight of an adult passenger degrades the
performance of a mkIII or any light airplane. Please take that into
consideration when you think about this friendly competition. As far as
settling the argument, I think I pretty much did that, between these two
mkIII's, in front of the entire Kolb Homecoming. If nothing else, it
convinced me, I don't need to change Homer's design to make my airplane
fly better. Others may, and that is alright with me. ;-)
All in all, I would call it a tie. At least Miss P'fer and I did not
get whooped! That is Alabamian for beaten.
Take care,
john h
hauck's holler, alabama
mkIII 2724.7 hours
912ULS 156.2 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge |
Nice reply, I expected nothing less. I do find it interesting that you
still think I pulled in 20 degrees of flaps several times on each run
because I never touched them. I wonder what you saw?
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 7:20 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge
Rick, Rev, Folks:
We all had a great time at the Kolb Homecoming, everyone from Homer
Kolb right on down to the newest guy that was shopping and wishing for
his very first Kolb. The weather could not have been better. Food was
great, at no cost to the participants. The Kolb folks worked extremely
hard to insure we all had an enjoyable, fun time. My thanks to Bruce
Chesnut for keeping Kolb alive and well for all of us to keep on flying
the best there is, Kolb aircraft.
Now for my side of the story. ;-)
Richard asked me, just prior to his departure, if I still wanted to do
the VG/regular guy flyoff. Sure! I was ready to do slow flight, short
takeoff/landing, and climb. We could have also done slow speed
maneuvering, but I forgot about that. Anyhow, we agreed to do the side
by side slow flight contest. Spent about 10 seconds getting our act
together. Richard was already cranked when I walked over to discuss it
with him.
I was down at the west end of the strip warming up my engine when
Richard taxied up with an inop radio. Would have been much better if we
could have had comm in the air, but we didn't. I couldn't tell him I
was not ready for take off when he took off ahead of me.
When my engine oil temp got up to 120F, I was ready to go. I caught
up with Richard and got in on his right wing after he started his first
slow flight run to the east. I admit, I did not get settled down until
about midway down the strip and lost about 50 feet in the process.
Horsepower had nothing to do with keeping my mkIII flying. I was
turning 3000 rpm, using 40 degrees of flaps. It is more difficult
flying off someone's wing, constantly looking at his aircraft, while
trying to keep my mkIII as close to stall as I can. Once it nibbles
over the edge, it is going to lose a little altitude, change pitch
attitude, and require a lot of flying by the pilot to keep it airborne.
When I got settled down, so did the mkIII, flying at 3000 rpm on the
plus edge of the stall.
Richard was actually flying lead, which demands he trust my ability to
fly off him. As a non-military pilot, he probably did not understand
that and was concerned that I was going to prang him, or him me. That
was not going to happen. I would hope that Richard had enough
confidence in me to know I would not fly under him so he could hit me if
he stalled.
The air was slightly turbulent which lent to better competition
between Richard and I, since we were both flying in the same air. Since
I thought Richard had shared with us that VGs made slow flight more
comfortable, he would have felt that way and gotten his mkIII slowed
down to max.
If we ever do this again, there should be two runs, with each aircraft
flying lead and wingman.
Richard, you did not have to turn left to get out of my way on the end
of the second run. I started a climb and right break at the east end of
the strip because that run was complete. Again, had your radio been
operational, I would have called out my climb and right break. However,
I can assure you, you were never in any danger of me climbing any
direction but straight out with a hard right break. I was flying right
wing on Richard.
Richard says he never touched his flaps. I watched them deploy,
momentarily approximately 20 degrees several times during each run. At
the time I could not understand why he would pull them down and
immediately retract them. I still don't. I started my run with 40
degrees of flaps each run. Probably should have flown with half flaps,
20 degrees, but that is history.
Richard claims his VGs allow him to fly slower. Guess if I had them,
I could really fly slow.
I do not know how much difference in weight there is between Richard's
and my mkIII's, but probably much more than 100 lbs. My aircraft
weighed approximately 630 lbs in 1994 with a 912. I can assure you
airplanes do not get lighter with age. I would guess nearer to 150 to
200 lbs more than Richard's. I went to a heavier 912ULS in 2000.
Richard is flying with a 582. I don't know if he flies with a BRS or
not. Only one way to find out, have a weigh off. hehehe
Anyhow, you all know how the weight of an adult passenger degrades the
performance of a mkIII or any light airplane. Please take that into
consideration when you think about this friendly competition. As far as
settling the argument, I think I pretty much did that, between these two
mkIII's, in front of the entire Kolb Homecoming. If nothing else, it
convinced me, I don't need to change Homer's design to make my airplane
fly better. Others may, and that is alright with me. ;-)
All in all, I would call it a tie. At least Miss P'fer and I did not
get whooped! That is Alabamian for beaten.
Take care,
john h
hauck's holler, alabama
mkIII 2724.7 hours
912ULS 156.2 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge |
Richard:
I believe I saw the same thing Rick Neilsen saw, the flaps droop
momentarily. Then on the other hand, we both may have been
hallucinating simultaneously. ;-)
The only other explanation would be the flaps outboard and the ailerons
inboard, with the right aileron drooping. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Nice reply, I expected nothing less. I do find it interesting that
you still think I pulled in 20 degrees of flaps several times on each
run because I never touched them. I wonder what you saw?
Richard Pike
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge |
John Hauck wrote:
> Richard:
>
> I believe I saw the same thing Rick Neilsen saw, the flaps droop
> momentarily. Then on the other hand, we both may have been
> hallucinating simultaneously. ;-)
>
> The only other explanation would be the flaps outboard and the ailerons
> inboard, with the right aileron drooping. ;-)
Or the right ailerons rising, thus the hallucination of the flaps being
lowered?? :-) ----- So It's not really about VG's but about who is a
better liar?? Starting to sound like a fishing/hunting story!
~ Earl
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge |
John H wrote
I believe I saw the same thing Rick Neilsen saw, the flaps droop
momentarily. Then on the other hand, we both may have been
hallucinating simultaneously. ;-)
The only other explanation would be the flaps outboard and the
ailerons inboard, with the right aileron drooping. ;-)
john h
mkIII
John,
Rick N ( did not) see Rev Pike deploy his flaps, I think you should
reread his post. He stated that you saw this but those on the ground did
not.
Anyway, glad you all had a good time and this gives us one more thing
to debate until next year.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge |
John & Richard
It was a draw. No one lost. Go to your corners and stay there.
I reread my post, I still didn't see any of Richards flaps
Rick Neilsen
----- Original Message -----
From: John Hauck
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2007 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge
Richard:
I believe I saw the same thing Rick Neilsen saw, the flaps droop
momentarily. Then on the other hand, we both may have been
hallucinating simultaneously. ;-)
The only other explanation would be the flaps outboard and the
ailerons inboard, with the right aileron drooping. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Nice reply, I expected nothing less. I do find it interesting that
you still think I pulled in 20 degrees of flaps several times on each
run because I never touched them. I wonder what you saw?
Richard Pike
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge |
> Or the right ailerons rising, thus the hallucination of the flaps being
> lowered?? :-) ----- So It's not really about VG's but about who is a
> better liar?? Starting to sound like a fishing/hunting story!
> ~ Earl
Earl:
Reckon I had the best seat in the house!
john h
mkIII
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Firefly Landing speed |
....i can't stand it.... Sully, you save this shit from MAY....???
I don't have a deck of cards any more.... had one.... lost 'em in a
card game...
What mischief are you up to these days...? You guys figure out a way to
steal Kennesaw yet...?
b.
----- Original Message -----
From: possums
To: beauford@tampabay.rr.com
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2007 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firefly Landing speed
At 08:50 PM 5/5/2007, you wrote:
<beauford@tampabay.rr.com>
-----
Howbout this one?
This is the explanation of a pretty neat card trick you can do for
friends over the Web.
In order to do the trick, you'll need five things:
a.. a deck of cards;
b.. access to the Web;
c.. someone to show the trick to;
d.. an understanding of the trick's secret; and
e.. practice.
The effect of the trick is as follows: the magician opens this Web
page but doesn't touch the computer for the duration of the trick. The
spectator is given a deck of cards, and asked to choose any five cards;
these cards can be chosen at random, or the spectator can choose five
cards he wants to use.
The magician takes one of the five cards out of the set, and asks his
friend to enter the other four cards into a form on the Web page (a
working version can be found below). The Guess button is pressed, and a
picture of the fifth card is displayed.
In this document, I explain everything about the trick except for its
secret. But hints are given to figure out how the trick is done, and you
can always beg me to tell you.
http://www.minortriad.com/cards.html
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Yeah - you can beg all you want - but he won't tell you - hints come
slow and hard
took me two years to figure it out!
How about if I give you a clue - ?
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge |
Hi Denny:
You are absolutely correct. I went back to my deleted file and reread
Rick's msg.
Thanks for pointing out my obvious error.
john h
mkIII
Rick N ( did not) see Rev Pike deploy his flaps, I think you should
reread his post. He stated that you saw this but those on the ground did
not.
Denny Rowe
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| Subject: | Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete Kolb-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
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process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
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If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
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2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
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you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
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Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
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respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
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for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
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One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
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Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
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- Latest version of the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Question
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in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
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!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
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The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
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responses.
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aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
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can not be overstated!
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| Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/Kolb-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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Kolb-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the Kolb-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
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