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1. 04:05 AM - Re: Wing Bracing (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
2. 05:55 AM - Re: Re: FireFly Landing Gear Leg Strength Improvement (robert bean)
3. 06:15 AM - redrive (robert bean)
4. 08:01 AM - Re: redrive (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
5. 08:26 AM - Re: redrive (John Hauck)
6. 10:22 AM - Center Gap-seal coming loose (HGRAFF@aol.com)
7. 10:30 AM - Re: redrive (herbgh@juno.com)
8. 11:12 AM - Re: Center Gap-seal coming loose (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
9. 11:12 AM - Re: redrive (Richard Girard)
10. 11:23 AM - Re: Center Gap-seal coming loose (APilot@webtv.net)
11. 11:30 AM - Re: Center Gap-seal coming loose (Richard Girard)
12. 11:34 AM - H frame replacement (Richard Girard)
13. 11:49 AM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented (pat ladd)
14. 12:41 PM - Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented (N27SB@aol.com)
15. 12:57 PM - Remaining FAT ultralights after Deadline (jb92563)
16. 01:14 PM - Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air (jb92563)
17. 01:35 PM - Re: Remaining FAT ultralights after Deadline (Dana Hague)
18. 01:38 PM - Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air (cristalclear13)
19. 01:48 PM - Re: redrive (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
20. 01:53 PM - Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air (WillUribe@aol.com)
21. 01:55 PM - Re: Remaining FAT ultralights after Deadline (cristalclear13)
22. 02:12 PM - completion of a journey (Larry Cottrell)
23. 02:25 PM - Weight & Balance for FS II needed (John H Murphy)
24. 02:50 PM - Re: Wing Bracing (Rick Lewis)
25. 03:00 PM - Re: Weight & Balance for FS II needed (Larry Cottrell)
26. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air (possums)
27. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air (Jim Kmet)
28. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air (Russ Kinne)
29. 05:01 PM - Re: Wing Bracing (JetPilot)
30. 05:13 PM - Re: I Passed! (lcottrell)
31. 05:44 PM - Re: Wing Bracing (Jim Kmet)
32. 05:57 PM - Re: Re: I Passed! (Russ Kinne)
33. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: I Passed! (Robert Laird)
34. 06:54 PM - Re: I Passed! (John Williamson)
35. 07:26 PM - Re: Center Gap-seal coming loose (HGRAFF@aol.com)
36. 07:59 PM - Re: Re: I Passed! (Robert Laird)
37. 08:23 PM - Re: completion of a journey (R. Hankins)
38. 08:29 PM - Picture of Firestar - for upcoming inspection (John H Murphy)
39. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: I Passed! (David Key)
40. 09:27 PM - Re: Picture of Firestar - for upcoming inspection (Larry Cottrell)
41. 09:39 PM - Re: Wing Bracing (JetPilot)
42. 09:45 PM - Re: Re: I Passed! (Richard Pike)
43. 09:46 PM - Re: Wing Bracing (JetPilot)
44. 09:51 PM - Flying the Mark III Xtra without doors, has anyone done it ? (JetPilot)
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Wing Bracing |
John or anyone Got a picture of where to install the 1/2" aluminum angle
bracing in the the wings ?
I would like to do this before I start the covering Job and if theres
anything else that needs attention I would like to hear from you about it
Ellery in Maine Building Mk3X #00011
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| Subject: | Re: FireFly Landing Gear Leg Strength Improvement |
Thom may be right about the vertical impact force bending the
tailboom as there is
zero evidence of bruising at the tail top parts.
The sequence went as follows: high stall, left wheel snaps on
impact, wheel zips across to the right.
(at this point one would think that the tail would hit too, causing
an UPWARD bend in the tailboom)
But since my boggled brain was focussing on staying out of the errant
wheel trajectory I completely
missed that part of the action.
Anyway the plane continued sliding, nose down for another 15' until
the stub picked a favorable
point to dig in and over Thom went. Outside half loop.
As far as the H-tube goes, I would give it a close inspection when it
is revealed.
When I rebuilt my bent left wing I had to replace its H-tube because
it was one of the
all aluminum types. The rivets go into a blind hole on them and
there is NO way to get them out.
BB
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Here is a new source for a VW redrive:
http://www.polmotor-aviation.com/index.php?go=2
BB
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Bob
Thanks. The redrive looks good. Allot of questions come to mind. How much is
it? How much does it weigh? Who well made is it? Does the redrive allow for
up or down mounting? How effective is the harmonic dampener? Is it
supported.
I have too much time invested it the setup I have, it is light weight and
runs smooth. I'm happy with what I have. Anyone else what to run with this
one?
Some thoughts:
Weight is a problem with VWs you have to be very carful to keep the engine
light. This geared redrive looks like it would add 23-25 or more lbs to the
engine. The other geared redrive that some people talk about for Geos and
VWs adds about that much weight. If the redrive is able to be mounted in the
down the position the VW engine could be mounted on the stock Kolb mount
with a adapter but the adapter for my direct drive VW added 5-8 lbs. The
current Kolb VW mount wouldn't work with this redrive without a minor
change. The mounting lugs for the bed type mount aren't spaced the same on
the front and back of the engine. This redrive mounts the redrive on the
flywheel end of the engine so the engine would need to mounted with the fly
wheel end towards the back.
The harmonic issues with my cog belt drive caused vibration cracking on
exhaust, air cleaners and caused bolts to work loose. I know Gene Smith
tried a number of harmonic dampeners on their cog belt drives and even tried
a sparg clutch without much success. Even the 912 guys have exhaust system
cracking due to engine prop harmonics. The one way slipping serpentine belt
drive I have now is very smooth. Will these redrives be as smooth? I have in
effect been the test pilot for composite props and Kolbs for the Valley
redrive. Who wants to test pilot these.
I'm not trying to scare you off from these redrives. I just want people to
try these drive with your eyes open to the potential issues.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 9:13 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: redrive
>
> Here is a new source for a VW redrive:
>
> http://www.polmotor-aviation.com/index.php?go=2
>
> BB
>
>
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Even the 912 guys have exhaust system
> cracking due to engine prop harmonics.
> Rick Neilsen
Rick:
I'm getting ready to load up and head West with my dirt bike and 5th wheel,
but will take a minute to reply to this statement first.
How did you determine we are having problems with 912 exhaust systems due to
"engine/prop harmonics"?
The STE system that I am using has a design problem of hard mounting
attachment tabs to the each cyl head.
There was a run of Titan exhaust systems that ran with improper outlet
material. Stubs were not Rotax and not stout enough to handle the job.
Not aware of any engine/prop harmonics. The torsional vibration system,
that includes a slip clutch, does a great job keeping the 912
smooth..............
I plan on riding in NM, CO, UT, NV, AZ, CA, and if it ain't too cold, head
up to the Rock House in SE corner of OR. Larry and Karen Cottrell hunt the
hawk and falcon this month. I would love to be able to observe that, plus
he and Karen are a hoot to hang out with and has a great area to ride the
dirt bike. If you all want to have a cup of coffee, when I am in your area,
send me a bc msg. I'd like to hook up some names and faces from the Kolb
List.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Center Gap-seal coming loose |
Our Kolb Mark III, 256KT, is in high speed taxi tests, with some airborne
stretches in the taxi.
The Center Gap-seal shed its hold down springs in back and also popped out
of the center hold.
Shortening the rear springs to increase tension didn't help, for it happened
again a second time.
That gap-seal must really flap about violently to shed its hold down
springs. With the danger of it shedding a piece of itself, going through the prop,
and getting flung into the control surfaces or denting the main boom, this
needs a resolution prior to further "taxiing"..
Has anybody experienced this, if yes, how was it fixed.
In appreciation of a solution, which certainly must exist,
Many thanks, Herb
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Richard
Do not think it gets more elegant and therefore simple than the redrive
you have on your engine.. Wondering how many hours you have on it by
now? Herb
ps what is the brand and pn of the belts? :-)
On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:56:36 -0400 "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
<NeilsenRM@comcast.net> writes:
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> Bob
>
> Thanks. The redrive looks good. Allot of questions come to mind. How
> much is
> it? How much does it weigh? Who well made is it? Does the redrive
> allow for
> up or down mounting? How effective is the harmonic dampener? Is it
> supported.
>
> I have too much time invested it the setup I have, it is light
> weight and
> runs smooth. I'm happy with what I have. Anyone else what to run
> with this
> one?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Center Gap-seal coming loose |
Herb
I never heard of this happening. Do you have a classic or extra. My
classic center gap seal wraps around the leading edge and under the
wings 5-6 inches. Then there is a hook in the center of the seal that
hooks into hole in the top of the cage. I have bolts that stick out of
the universal joints at the back of the wing that the seal is secured to
with wing nuts and safety clips. Make sure when you install the seal
that the hook in the center of the seal goes into the tube in the cage.
The rear attachment appears to nothing more than to keep the seal from
moving forward. Make sure that you have also covered the area under the
seal with fabric. If this doesn't help maybe a photo of your seal and
center section will help us help you.
I once heard Dennis Souder say he designed the seal and it may be a bit
overkill. That has always been my assessment so I'm surprised at your
problem.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: HGRAFF@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:18 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Center Gap-seal coming loose
Our Kolb Mark III, 256KT, is in high speed taxi tests, with some
airborne stretches in the taxi.
The Center Gap-seal shed its hold down springs in back and also popped
out of the center hold.
Shortening the rear springs to increase tension didn't help, for it
happened again a second time.
That gap-seal must really flap about violently to shed its hold down
springs. With the danger of it shedding a piece of itself, going through
the prop, and getting flung into the control surfaces or denting the
main boom, this needs a resolution prior to further "taxiing"..
Has anybody experienced this, if yes, how was it fixed.
In appreciation of a solution, which certainly must exist,
Many thanks, Herb
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Running a new redrive can be such fun. I had a Ross on a Mazda 13B that
needed so many modifications to fix it I eventually dumped the whole
project. Little things like .38 end play on the input shaft (not a misprint,
3/8"), can be a real pain to correct.
These guys have a slow website and I got tired of waiting, but another
question to add is how is it lubricated. Some run the engine oil for the
gearbox. Doubtful, but better to know before the box arrives.
On the other hand, the Czechs and Poles have very high standards for metal
work, if the dollar stops tanking, this could be real nice.
Rick
On 10/10/07, herbgh@juno.com <herbgh@juno.com> wrote:
>
>
> Richard
>
> Do not think it gets more elegant and therefore simple than the redrive
> you have on your engine.. Wondering how many hours you have on it by
> now? Herb
>
>
> ps what is the brand and pn of the belts? :-)
>
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:56:36 -0400 "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net> writes:
> > <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
> >
> > Bob
> >
> > Thanks. The redrive looks good. Allot of questions come to mind. How
> > much is
> > it? How much does it weigh? Who well made is it? Does the redrive
> > allow for
> > up or down mounting? How effective is the harmonic dampener? Is it
> > supported.
> >
> > I have too much time invested it the setup I have, it is light
> > weight and
> > runs smooth. I'm happy with what I have. Anyone else what to run
> > with this
> > one?
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Center Gap-seal coming loose |
The gap seal on the plans seemed somewhat light. I built a stronger
assembly with a lower cross piece that extends one inch past the bottom
of the wing so that it cannot blow up. I use positive hold metal at the
rear with springs to hold them in place and nylon cords to keep them out
of the prop if they should break. The rear can be held down with bolts
and wing nuts or nut plates at a very little extra time in disassembly.
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| Subject: | Re: Center Gap-seal coming loose |
Herb, Ditto to Rick's remarks, except my IIIC doesn't have the bolts Rick
describes, just a couple of springs to hole the gap seal pulled tight around
the leading edge. Is the Lexan completely framed by aluminum at the rear?
Rick
On 10/10/07, Richard & Martha Neilsen <NeilsenRM@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Herb
>
> I never heard of this happening. Do you have a classic or extra. My
> classic center gap seal wraps around the leading edge and under the wings
> 5-6 inches. Then there is a hook in the center of the seal that hooks into
> hole in the top of the cage. I have bolts that stick out of the universal
> joints at the back of the wing that the seal is secured to with wing nuts
> and safety clips. Make sure when you install the seal that the hook in the
> center of the seal goes into the tube in the cage. The rear attachment
> appears to nothing more than to keep the seal from moving forward. Make sure
> that you have also covered the area under the seal with fabric. If this
> doesn't help maybe a photo of your seal and center section will help us help
> you.
>
> I once heard Dennis Souder say he designed the seal and it may be a bit
> overkill. That has always been my assessment so I'm surprised at your
> problem.
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* HGRAFF@aol.com
> *To:* kolb-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:18 PM
> *Subject:* Kolb-List: Center Gap-seal coming loose
>
> Our Kolb Mark III, 256KT, is in high speed taxi tests, with some airborne
> stretches in the taxi.
>
> The Center Gap-seal shed its hold down springs in back and also popped out
> of the center hold.
>
> Shortening the rear springs to increase tension didn't help, for it
> happened again a second time.
>
> That gap-seal must really flap about violently to shed its hold down
> springs. With the danger of it shedding a piece of itself, going through the
> prop, and getting flung into the control surfaces or denting the main boom,
> this needs a resolution prior to further "taxiing"..
>
> Has anybody experienced this, if yes, how was it fixed.
>
> In appreciation of a solution, which certainly must exist,
>
> Many thanks, Herb
>
>
> ------------------------------
> See
>
> *
>
> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> *
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | H frame replacement |
Thom, Consider the cost benefit ratio. How much does a new "H" brace cost
versus the difficulty to match holes with the old one? How much will it cost
if you don't get the holes spot on, or at least close enough to fix with the
next oversize rivet?
RIck
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented |
Hi Lar,
looked up your blog. you are really enjoying yourself. I think if I ever had
the urge to climb some of the stuff you have been tackling I should go and
lie down until the urge passes.
Nice to be reminded of Santa Fe and how much we enjoyed being with you last
year after MV. Espececially reminded by some of the Indian jewelery. Those
girls selling the wares in the main square really know their stuff.. I
showed one of them a silver belt buckle with a nice stone and a bear claw
which I had bought in a small town up near Durango and she told me what mine
the stone had come from. She about confirmed all the things which the owner
of the store had told me about the buckle during his sales pitch..
We have had quite a nice Indian Summer and we went to our cottage at
Appledore last weekend. Spring tides and the estuary was full and there was
some catamaran racing going on. As they tack just below our garden wall it
is quite exciting.
Wendy and I bought each other electric bicyles for our birthdays in August.
They fold and we took them to the cottage with us as there isa disused
railway line which has been paved for the use of walkers and cyclists. Of
course it is level and makes for good cycling. The track runs aong the side
of the estuary with lots of water birds, egrets, duck, stoneturns, dunlin
etc.
The bikes are good. If you dont pedal then you get no help from the motor so
there is some exercise involved. There are six gears and maximum legal speed
is 18 mph. The battery lasts about 20 miles or so depending on how much
effort you put in and that is as long as I intend to sit on a bicycle
saddle anyway.
I managed to fall off during a test ride. The bike has 16" wheels and I ran
off the edge of a concrete drive onto the dirt road and lost my balance.
This raised a lump on my shin about as big as a hens egg and turned my legs
technicolor and I was a bit shook up. Added to that I had a professional
company come to weigh the Kolb and I put my back out lifting the tail to
put the scales under. That put me more or less out of action for a week.
Still it was an interesting exercise as the guy who weighed the plane was
weighing the Vulcan, a big bat winged bomber designed to carry an atom bomb
only the day before. This is the bomber with which we bombed Port Stanley
airfield in the Falklands. The Vulcan was due to be scrapped about 2 weeks
after the Falklands show started. If the Argies had left it 6 months later
we would have had no planes able to reach them. A bunch of volunteers is
trying to get one of them back into flying order. A hell of a tall order but
with luck they hope to have her on the show circuit next summer.
Keep in touch
Pat. (love from Wendy)
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| Subject: | Re: Grand Vortex Generator Challenge aka Not Invented |
In a message dated 10/9/2007 10:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
biglar@gogittum.com writes:
www.gogittum.com/blog
Really Good Stuff, Thanks for sharing.
Old Guys Rule
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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| Subject: | Remaining FAT ultralights after Deadline |
What will happen to all these FAT Ultralights that have not registered for the
E-LSA designation?
Can you still register them as E-LSA or can you register them as a regular Experimental
aircraft.
Can we expect a lot of PARTS coming onto the market in 2008?
I was wondering what value the remaining FAT Ultralights have in the US that are
for sale still.
I believe some may still qualify as Ultralights in Canada however.
Ray
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Ray
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
Just wanted to revive this thread since there are some great pictures on here from
around the country.
Anyone have some Riverside to Utah trip Pics.
If there is another one I might get my Ultrastar ready in time to join a couple
legs of that trip and I would not mind seeing some of the route ahead of time.
I'm sure everyone has taken a pic from their Kolb or from another aircraft to snap
a picture of a Kolb in flight.
How about posting it for all of us to enjoy!
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Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Remaining FAT ultralights after Deadline |
At 03:56 PM 10/10/2007, jb92563 wrote:
>Can you still register them as E-LSA or can you register them as a
>regular Experimental aircraft.
Once the deadline's passed, you're screwed, unless you can "prove" you
built it yourself.
Could be we'll see a thriving black market for construction photos, perhaps
photoshopped to put the "builder" into the picture...
-Dana
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But do you trust the _government_ with semi-automatic assault rifles?
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| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
See the choo-choo twains on the choo-choo twacks? :D
You'll see lots of those if you come to Waycross GA.
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Herb & Vince
I don't know the make and part number of the belts. I just looked and it has
warn off. This is the same redrive they put on their big twin just a bit
larger. My drive is a preproduction model. There is a wear indicator on the
redrive their instructions were to replace the belts after the redrive has
traversed the wear indicator twice. Their prototype drive went 100 hours on
the belts and are still in good shape. I have 25 hours on my redrive and
can't see any wear but I do see belt dust on the engine case. My belts were
used belts because they got the drive to me just before Oshkosh and they
didn't want me having to adjust the belts on my trip. I understand new belts
need a few adjustments in the first hour of wear in. The wear indicator on
my belts hasn't moved since I installed the drive. I don't know what the
cost of replacement belts will be.
I don't know of any maintenance other than the belts. There are six silicone
balls that act as the spring for the tensioning arm that might need
replacement some time but they think they are good for ever. They do
recommend run up testing from time to time to make sure the belts aren't
slipping but that's about it.
In preflight I check the wear indicator. Knowing how the drive works I
figure that If you miss the movement on the wear indicator you might see
some slippage on takeoff under full power in the form of higher than normal
RPMs. Throttling back to normal RPMs should keep you climbing but at a
somewhat reduced rate. They tell me properly adjusted one of the two belts
will drive the prop.
I get no money from Valley and I purchased the first redrive. The upgrade to
the new redrive and all the other reduction ratios they sent me on the old
redrive were all free. All I had to pay is return shipping.
They sent me a E-mail a week ago that they were going to send me a two
bladed wood 74" prop to try. They say it is free unless I keep it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIC
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From: <herbgh@juno.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: redrive
>
> Richard
>
> Do not think it gets more elegant and therefore simple than the redrive
> you have on your engine.. Wondering how many hours you have on it by
> now? Herb
>
>
> ps what is the brand and pn of the belts? :-)
>
> On Wed, 10 Oct 2007 10:56:36 -0400 "Richard & Martha Neilsen"
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net> writes:
>> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>> Thanks. The redrive looks good. Allot of questions come to mind. How
>> much is
>> it? How much does it weigh? Who well made is it? Does the redrive
>> allow for
>> up or down mounting? How effective is the harmonic dampener? Is it
>> supported.
>>
>> I have too much time invested it the setup I have, it is light
>> weight and
>> runs smooth. I'm happy with what I have. Anyone else what to run
>> with this
>> one?
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Remaining FAT ultralights after Deadline |
According to DAR, Mike Huffman, you would have to try to certify the plane as E-AB.
If you falsify the fact that you built it, there is a fee up to $10,000
or 5 years in prison.
Check out page 4 of 5 under "What if you miss the deadline?" section in his article:
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| Subject: | completion of a journey |
Today I completed a journey begun 10 years and 6 months ago. I just returned
from Boise,Id with the Airworthy certificate for Kolb Firestar II 6080M. It
has been a long and difficult task. Primarily because my "Bullshit" filter
kept clogging up and side tracking me from the task at hand. I ended up with
E A B, because when I began this process that was the only thing available.
I blithly thought that the difference between getting it registered as a
"Light Sport" and EAB was a non event. Then the fact that Oklahoma mispelled
my name on the registration as the builder, was to me a non event as long as
I was willing to accept their mistakes. Alas that was not to be either. I
was required to get a new one with the right spelling. Then the paper work
that would allow me to get it Light sport was misplaced for a month while I
was off hunting. I just bit the bullet and said ok EAB it is, I didn't want
to wait the extra time that it would take to get it right. Truth be known I
do not ever see me selling it anyway. An additional plane would actually be
a likelier possibility. I will now have to fly off 40 hours on a plane that
has 374 hours on the meter. That isn't a big deal either I guess. Now that I
have completed my journey with Arty to the Texas border and back through MV,
45 naut. miles seems just right.
I now have a certificate that allows me to work on light sport planes if I
own them, (aprox $500.00 bucks when it is all counted.) Will have a
"repairmans Cert." for EAB. Inspection today cost me $350.00 and I assembled
it in his driveway.
"totally legal & boring"
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Weight & Balance for FS II needed |
I'm trying to get my W&B ready for my inspection. I would like to see what the
ARM's are for the Firestar. Could anybody email or post those numbers?
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Wing Bracing |
I am also building the MK3x and have taken many pictures of the wing that Brian
is building right now. I'm sure these pictures would be of help to you. Send
me your e-mail address and I will get them to you. I will be leaving on a trip
tomorrow and will be gone for a full week, so I will need to hear from you
tonight if you want the pictures right now. Just a darn shame we don't have
plans to build by.
Rick Lewis
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| Subject: | Re: Weight & Balance for FS II needed |
Subject: Kolb-List: Weight & Balance for FS II needed
>
> I'm trying to get my W&B ready for my inspection. I would like to see what
> the ARM's are for the Firestar. Could anybody email or post those
> numbers?
>
>
Here is the spread sheet obtained from Guy Swenson, modified by me, that I
used for my recently completed inspection. If you want to change any of the
values you will need to "unprotect" it. It is great in that it does all the
work for you. It reflects the extremes that might be encountered in a
Firestar. Not my own weight.
However, all the items and measurements in it should be of your airplane.
Keep in mind that your plane will probably be different, hopefully weigh
less. The tail wheel for instance is the breakaway from TNK and weighs more
than the stock one.
Larry, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
At 04:14 PM 10/10/2007, you wrote:
>I'm sure everyone has taken a pic from their Kolb or from another
>aircraft to snap a picture of a Kolb in flight.
>
>How about posting it for all of us to enjoy!
>
>--------
>Ray
>Riverside County, CA
Sorry - I couldn't help myself.
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| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
Can`t tell, but was your seatbelt on?
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From: "possums" <possums@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air
> At 04:14 PM 10/10/2007, you wrote:
>
>>I'm sure everyone has taken a pic from their Kolb or from another
>>aircraft to snap a picture of a Kolb in flight.
>>
>>How about posting it for all of us to enjoy!
>>
>>--------
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>>Riverside County, CA
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Things to see from a Kolb in the air |
Possums/Ray?
That is one GREAT pic! -- and one very cool dude/pilot.
Nice going!
Russ Kinne
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Wing Bracing |
Here are some pictures of the Angle Aluminum wing bracing. Don't forget to put
some extra bracing on the wingtips also, they are prone to flutter at high speeds
in the stock configuration.
Mike
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have !!!
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Your callsign should be "Kolb 1782 Charlie" all the time with one addition. When
you call an ATC Tower on initial callup you add "Experimental" to the end of
your callsign then omit "Experimental" on subsequent contacts.
See Aeronautical Information Manual section 4-2-4. Aircraft Call Signs.
http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/ATpubs/AIM/
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Weeeeeeeeeeeeeell, it seems as though there is a bit of conflict here. I haven't
read the aforementioned FAR since it is far too early to go to sleep yet. My
Eperimental operating limitations, given to me states "tHE PILOT IN COMMAND OF
THIS AIRCRAFT MUST NOTIFY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL OF THE EXPERIMENTAL NATURE OF
THIS AIRCRAFT WHEN OPERATING INTO OR OUT OF AIRPORTS WITH AN OPERATIONAL CONTROL
TOWER."
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Wing Bracing |
I must have missed something somewhere, Why is it that all of those ribs in
that wing shot have angle bracing on them? Is that called for in the plans?
I understand why the outboard rib gets it, but why all the others?
Jim
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From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Wing Bracing
>
> Here are some pictures of the Angle Aluminum wing bracing. Don't forget
> to put some extra bracing on the wingtips also, they are prone to flutter
> at high speeds in the stock configuration.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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What's all this?
When you say "Kolb 1234 Alpha Experimental" on initial callup, you
ARE telling ATC you're experimental.
What could be more obvious?
A bit of conflict? Where??
On Oct 10, 2007, at 8:13 PM, lcottrell wrote:
>
> Your callsign should be "Kolb 1782 Charlie" all the time with one
> addition. When you call an ATC Tower on initial callup you add
> "Experimental" to the end of your callsign then omit "Experimental"
> on subsequent contacts.
>
> See Aeronautical Information Manual section 4-2-4. Aircraft Call
> Signs.
> http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/
> ATpubs/AIM/
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> Weeeeeeeeeeeeeell, it seems as though there is a bit of conflict
> here. I haven't read the aforementioned FAR since it is far too
> early to go to sleep yet. My Eperimental operating limitations,
> given to me states "tHE PILOT IN COMMAND OF THIS AIRCRAFT MUST
> NOTIFY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL OF THE EXPERIMENTAL NATURE OF THIS
> AIRCRAFT WHEN OPERATING INTO OR OUT OF AIRPORTS WITH AN OPERATIONAL
> CONTROL TOWER."
> Legal Larry, Or.
>
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I don't dispute the AIM giving the example of using "experimental" at the
end of the first contact, and eliminating it afterwards... however... My
CFI explained to me that there are so many experimental aircraft out there,
that ATC much less the other pilots in the pattern wouldn't have a clue what
a Kolb is (or, "fill in the blank" is), so, rather than confuse them
repeatedly (which is contrary to the point of air traffic communication),
just say "Experimental one-two-three" as your call sign. The entire time I
was taking lessons at a controlled airport, I did as he said and always said
"Experimental two-two-six-niner-Juliet" and it was -always- accepted by
ATC. Other aircraft in the pattern that were experimentals would usually do
the same. The occasional Vans or Lancair might use their model as their
identifier, but those aircraft are pretty much known to all. So, while my
CFI was technically wrong, he was emphasizing that clarity and simplicity
are two very important qualities in air traffic communication.
-- Robert
On 10/10/07, lcottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
>
>
> Your callsign should be "Kolb 1782 Charlie" all the time with one
> addition. When you call an ATC Tower on initial callup you add
> "Experimental" to the end of your callsign then omit "Experimental" on
> subsequent contacts.
>
> See Aeronautical Information Manual section 4-2-4. Aircraft Call Signs.
>
> http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/air_traffic/publications/ATpubs/AIM/
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Weeeeeeeeeeeeeell, it seems as though there is a bit of conflict here. I
> haven't read the aforementioned FAR since it is far too early to go to sleep
> yet. My Eperimental operating limitations, given to me states "tHE PILOT IN
> COMMAND OF THIS AIRCRAFT MUST NOTIFY AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL OF THE EXPERIMENTAL
> NATURE OF THIS AIRCRAFT WHEN OPERATING INTO OR OUT OF AIRPORTS WITH AN
> OPERATIONAL CONTROL TOWER."
> Legal Larry, Or.
>
> --------
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Robert and All,
As you stated: "My CFI explained to me that there are so many experimental aircraft
out there, that ATC much less the other pilots in the pattern wouldn't have
a clue what a Kolb is (or, "fill in the blank" is), so, rather than confuse
them repeatedly (which is contrary to the point of air traffic communication),
just say "Experimental one-two-three" as your call sign. The entire time I was
taking lessons at a controlled airport, I did as he said and always said "Experimental
two-two-six-niner-Juliet" and it was -always- accepted by ATC. Other
aircraft in the pattern that were experimentals would usually do the same.
The occasional Vans or Lancair might use their model as their identifier, but
those aircraft are pretty much known to all. So, while my CFI was technically
wrong, he was emphasizing that clarity and simplicity are two very important qualities
in air traffic communication. -- Robert "
Just because you were taught incorrectly is not a reason to perpetuate the incorrect
phraseology. For more clarification you can go to FAA Order 7110.65 and
to FAA Order 7240.1.
It is always correct to do it by the books.
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John Williamson
Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: Center Gap-seal coming loose |
Many thanks to you all, Rick & Rick & APilot,
This happens on a classic MarkIII, and yes the area under the seal is
covered with fabric. The gap seal has that hook in the center, (which it pops
out
of), and the rear has fairly strong springs holding the gap seal back and in
place, but which unhook themselves from the gap seal, which was built
standard to plans.
Well, the main difference seems to be our rear gap seal attach is only
"springy" while yours is rigid with wing nuts and safety pins, in addition to
the
springs.
There is one other possible cause. Which is, there is an open gap between
the top of the windshield and the gap seal, about 2-3 inches high. Could it be
air flowing in there which is pressurizing the underside of the gap seal
popping it up and loose.
Do you have such a gap on your machine, or is it well sealed?
Sorry, I don't have suitable pictures (yet) showing the gap seal detail and,
the airport is 1.5 hours away.
But here is a picture of the entire A/C :
_http://members.aol.com/hgraff/KolbN246KT.jpg_
(http://members.aol.com/hgraff/KolbN246KT.jpg)
Thanks for your help, Herb
In a message dated 10/10/2007 2:13:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
NeilsenRM@comcast.net writes:
Herb
I never heard of this happening. Do you have a classic or extra. My classic
center gap seal wraps around the leading edge and under the wings 5-6 inches.
Then there is a hook in the center of the seal that hooks into hole in the
top of the cage. I have bolts that stick out of the universal joints at the
back of the wing that the seal is secured to with wing nuts and safety clips.
Make sure when you install the seal that the hook in the center of the seal
goes into the tube in the cage. The rear attachment appears to nothing more
than to keep the seal from moving forward. Make sure that you have also covered
the area under the seal with fabric. If this doesn't help maybe a photo of
your seal and center section will help us help you.
I once heard Dennis Souder say he designed the seal and it may be a bit
overkill. That has always been my assessment so I'm surprised at your problem.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: _HGRAFF@aol.com_ (mailto:HGRAFF@aol.com)
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 1:18 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Center Gap-seal coming loose
Our Kolb Mark III, 256KT, is in high speed taxi tests, with some airborne
stretches in the taxi.
The Center Gap-seal shed its hold down springs in back and also popped out
of the center hold.
Shortening the rear springs to increase tension didn't help, for it happened
again a second time.
That gap-seal must really flap about violently to shed its hold down
springs. With the danger of it shedding a piece of itself, going through the prop,
and getting flung into the control surfaces or denting the main boom, this
needs a resolution prior to further "taxiing"..
Has anybody experienced this, if yes, how was it fixed.
In appreciation of a solution, which certainly must exist,
Many thanks, Herb
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Geez, John! I respect your experience, piloting skills, choice of aircraft,
your web site, etc., but you're gonna throw "the book" at me? Over this?
Like most governmental documents, you can easily find places it contradicts
and/or obscures itself... AIM 4-2-4.a.3 "Civil aircraft pilots should state
the aircraft type, model OR manufacturer's name, followed by the
digits/letters of the registration number." Aircraft type for
experimental,FAA Order
7110.65, Appendix C, "Aircraft with cruise (indicated) airspeeds of 100
knots or less [are type] HXA"
So, it would seem perfectly CORRECT call signs would include
Kolb MkIII one-two-three Alpha (model)
HXA one-two-three Alpha (type)
and since I'm the manufacturer, according to the official FAA Special
Airworthiness Certificate, then it would be -correct- to say
Laird Robert one-two-three Alpha
or maybe they meant the type certificate, so, of "normal, utility,
acrobatic, transport, glider, restricted, surplus or import" I'd have to
choose
Normal one-two-three Alpha
And, as the example previously noted pointed out, I could (first time) add
"Experimental" to any of those.
Frankly, I think if an ATC or pilot were presented with any of those, they'd
be confused, or at least MORE confused than simply
Experimental one-two-three Alpha
After all, AIM 4-2-1.b "The single, most important thought in
pilot-controller communications is understanding." so using any of the
-correct- methods may be be the proper method de jure, but de facto they
contradict the "single most important thought" as per the FAA.
And, besides, if it's good enough for most CFIs I've met, a large number of
air traffic controllers sitting in an active tower over a period of years,
and an even larger number of experimental pilots flying in more towered
airports than I could visit in a lifetime, then it's good enough for me.
-- Robert
On 10/10/07, John Williamson <kolbrapilot1@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> Robert and All,
>
> As you stated: "My CFI explained to me that there are so many experimental
> aircraft out there, that ATC much less the other pilots in the pattern
> wouldn't have a clue what a Kolb is (or, "fill in the blank" is), so, rather
> than confuse them repeatedly (which is contrary to the point of air traffic
> communication), just say "Experimental one-two-three" as your call sign. The
> entire time I was taking lessons at a controlled airport, I did as he said
> and always said "Experimental two-two-six-niner-Juliet" and it was -always-
> accepted by ATC. Other aircraft in the pattern that were experimentals would
> usually do the same. The occasional Vans or Lancair might use their model as
> their identifier, but those aircraft are pretty much known to all. So, while
> my CFI was technically wrong, he was emphasizing that clarity and simplicity
> are two very important qualities in air traffic communication. -- Robert "
>
> Just because you were taught incorrectly is not a reason to perpetuate the
> incorrect phraseology. For more clarification you can go to FAA Order
> 7110.65 and to FAA Order 7240.1.
>
> It is always correct to do it by the books.
>
> --------
> John Williamson
> Arlington, TX
>
> Kolbra, 912ULS
> http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: completion of a journey |
Congatulations Larry!
If you get that second airplane, you can always leave the drift boat at my place
to make room for it. [Wink]
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1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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| Subject: | Picture of Firestar - for upcoming inspection |
It's getting down to the wire for my inspection of my Firestar II, N702V. I thought
I had everything I needed but now realize that I'm missing a picture. Does
this have to be a photo or can a hand drawn picture suffice? Does anyone have
a line drawing? Thanks to lcottrell for the weight & balance information. It
really helped!!!
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May times when I say KOLB I have to repeat it and then Kilo-Oscar-Lemia-Br
avo it and once I'm done with all that they aren't any more informed than t
hey were if I'd of left it all out. Why do they need to know the type plane
? Speed range and/or weight?
t@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I Passed!Geez, John! I respect
your experience, piloting skills, choice of aircraft, your web site, etc.,
but you're gonna throw "the book" at me? Over this? Like most governmenta
l documents, you can easily find places it contradicts and/or obscures itse
lf... AIM 4-2-4.a.3 "Civil aircraft pilots should state the aircraft type,
model OR manufacturer's name, followed by the digits/letters of the regist
ration number." Aircraft type for experimental, FAA Order 7110.65, Appendi
x C, "Aircraft with cruise (indicated) airspeeds of 100 knots or less [are
type] HXA" So, it would seem perfectly CORRECT call signs would include Ko
lb MkIII one-two-three Alpha (model) HXA one-two-three Alpha (type)and
since I'm the manufacturer, according to the official FAA Special Airworth
iness Certificate, then it would be -correct- to say Laird Robert one-two
-three Alphaor maybe they meant the type certificate, so, of "normal, utili
ty, acrobatic, transport, glider, restricted, surplus or import" I'd have t
o chooseNormal one-two-three Alpha And, as the example previously noted poi
nted out, I could (first time) add "Experimental" to any of those.Frankly,
I think if an ATC or pilot were presented with any of those, they'd be conf
used, or at least MORE confused than simply Experimental one-two-three Alph
aAfter all, AIM 4-2-1.b "The single, most important thought in pilot-cont
roller communications is understanding." so using any of the -correct- meth
ods may be be the proper method de jure, but de facto they contradict the "
single most important thought" as per the FAA. And, besides, if it's good e
nough for most CFIs I've met, a large number of air traffic controllers sit
ting in an active tower over a period of years, and an even larger number o
f experimental pilots flying in more towered airports than I could visit in
a lifetime, then it's good enough for me. -- Robert
On 10/10/07, John Williamson <kolbrapilot1@tx.rr.com> wrote:
Robert and All,As you stated: "My CFI explained to me that there are so man
y experimental aircraft out there, that ATC much less the other pilots in t
he pattern wouldn't have a clue what a Kolb is (or, "fill in the blank" is)
, so, rather than confuse them repeatedly (which is contrary to the point o
f air traffic communication), just say "Experimental one-two-three" as your
call sign. The entire time I was taking lessons at a controlled airport, I
did as he said and always said "Experimental two-two-six-niner-Juliet" and
it was -always- accepted by ATC. Other aircraft in the pattern that were e
xperimentals would usually do the same. The occasional Vans or Lancair migh
t use their model as their identifier, but those aircraft are pretty much k
nown to all. So, while my CFI was technically wrong, he was emphasizing tha
t clarity and simplicity are two very important qualities in air traffic co
mmunication. -- Robert " Just because you were taught incorrectly is not a
reason to perpetuate the incorrect phraseology. For more clarification you
can go to FAA Order 7110.65 and to FAA Order 7240.1.It is always correct t
o do it by the books. --------John WilliamsonArlington, TXKolbra, 912ULShtt
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| Subject: | Re: Picture of Firestar - for upcoming inspection |
>
> It's getting down to the wire for my inspection of my Firestar II, N702V.
> I thought I had everything I needed but now realize that I'm missing a
> picture. Does this have to be a photo or can a hand drawn picture suffice?
> Does anyone have a line drawing? >
It can be either, and I gave him both. You will need the length- 20'3",
width- 27'8", and height- 75". I used his computer and went to the Kolb site
to get that info. :-) As for the line drawing I think George sent that
recently.
http://kolbplanes.home.comcast.net/FSII_3_View_bw.jpg
Thanks George.
Larry C, Oregon
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Wing Bracing |
The bracing makes for a stiffer, stronger wing that will handle many years of fatigue
better. If I ever get in a monster wake, or other event that puts a huge
amount of G's on the plane, I will be very glad to have the extra bracing
throughout the wing, not just the tips. The loads are carried by the ribs on
the entire wing, not just the tips. Its only very little extra weight, maybe
a couple pounds, and its well worth doing.
Mike
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Let me weigh in from the other side of the tower glass. What the
controller needs to know is how to separate you from whoever else, so
he/she needs to know what you are, what you look like and what you act
like. If you want to resolve that once and for all, go to the airport
and shoot touch & goes every day at the same time for five days in a
row. Every controller in the facility will know who and what you are.
When you call ATC, use the 4 W's,
Who I is
What I is
Where I is
What I wants.
As in "Dingbat tower (Approach, whatever), Kolb three two zero Charlie,
Experimental, (position) with information Delta, (altitude)
(intentions). For all subsequent transmissions, leave off the
Experimental.
If they want to know the speed, let them ask you. If you have a
transponder, they can see your ground speed readout, so they don't need
to ask.
If you ever get a newbie controller who has had too much nose time in
the books, and not enough in real life, you might get asked something
like "What is the nature of the experiment?"
The proper response is "Amateur built, to see if it will fly!"
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Retired ATC
PS - Keep up the good work JW, you are a real asset!
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From: David Key
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: I Passed!
May times when I say KOLB I have to repeat it and then
Kilo-Oscar-Lemia-Bravo it and once I'm done with all that they aren't
any more informed than they were if I'd of left it all out. Why do they
need to know the type plane? Speed range and/or weight?
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Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2007 21:58:56 -0500
From: rlaird@cavediver.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I Passed!
Geez, John! I respect your experience, piloting skills, choice of
aircraft, your web site, etc., but you're gonna throw "the book" at me?
Over this? Like most governmental documents, you can easily find places
it contradicts and/or obscures itself... AIM 4-2-4.a.3 "Civil aircraft
pilots should state the aircraft type, model OR manufacturer's name,
followed by the digits/letters of the registration number." Aircraft
type for experimental, FAA Order 7110.65, Appendix C, "Aircraft with
cruise (indicated) airspeeds of 100 knots or less [are type] HXA"
So, it would seem perfectly CORRECT call signs would include
Kolb MkIII one-two-three Alpha (model)
HXA one-two-three Alpha (type)
and since I'm the manufacturer, according to the official FAA
Special Airworthiness Certificate, then it would be -correct- to say
Laird Robert one-two-three Alpha
or maybe they meant the type certificate, so, of "normal, utility,
acrobatic, transport, glider, restricted, surplus or import" I'd have to
choose
Normal one-two-three Alpha
And, as the example previously noted pointed out, I could (first
time) add "Experimental" to any of those.
Frankly, I think if an ATC or pilot were presented with any of
those, they'd be confused, or at least MORE confused than simply
Experimental one-two-three Alpha
After all, AIM 4-2-1.b "The single, most important thought in
pilot-controller communications is understanding." so using any of the
-correct- methods may be be the proper method de jure, but de facto they
contradict the "single most important thought" as per the FAA.
And, besides, if it's good enough for most CFIs I've met, a large
number of air traffic controllers sitting in an active tower over a
period of years, and an even larger number of experimental pilots flying
in more towered airports than I could visit in a lifetime, then it's
good enough for me.
-- Robert
On 10/10/07, John Williamson <kolbrapilot1@tx.rr.com> wrote:
<kolbrapilot1@tx.rr.com>
Robert and All,
As you stated: "My CFI explained to me that there are so many
experimental aircraft out there, that ATC much less the other pilots in
the pattern wouldn't have a clue what a Kolb is (or, "fill in the blank"
is), so, rather than confuse them repeatedly (which is contrary to the
point of air traffic communication), just say "Experimental
one-two-three" as your call sign. The entire time I was taking lessons
at a controlled airport, I did as he said and always said "Experimental
two-two-six-niner-Juliet" and it was -always- accepted by ATC. Other
aircraft in the pattern that were experimentals would usually do the
same. The occasional Vans or Lancair might use their model as their
identifier, but those aircraft are pretty much known to all. So, while
my CFI was technically wrong, he was emphasizing that clarity and
simplicity are two very important qualities in air traffic
communication. -- Robert "
Just because you were taught incorrectly is not a reason to
perpetuate the incorrect phraseology. For more clarification you can go
to FAA Order 7110.65 and to FAA Order 7240.1.
It is always correct to do it by the books.
--------
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Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS
http://home.tx.rr.com/kolbrapilot
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Wing Bracing |
P.S. I have to give John Hauck credit for that mod, along with several others
that will make the MARK III an airplane that can fly for thousands of hours without
structural fatigue. I think he has about 2500 hours on his MK III ???
John has been building and flying all kinds of Kolbs since the very beginning,
and knows many of the areas that need to be strengthened if you will be doing
a lot of hard flying, and don't want fatigue.
Mike
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| Subject: | Flying the Mark III Xtra without doors, has anyone done it |
?
I have seen many of the Kolbs including the Mark III Classic fly very well without
doors, but I have a Mark III Xtra and was wondering if anyone has ever flown
this model without doors ? The fuselage design of the Xtra is very different
than the Classic MK III, and could yield very different results once the doors
are removed.
If any one has flown the MK III Xtra with the doors removed, what kind of performance
and flight characteristics difference did you notice ?
Mike
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