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1. 05:47 AM - Re: Fly In at the Kolb Farm (Thom Riddle)
2. 08:42 AM - FS II off market (lucien)
3. 10:06 AM - Re: FS II off market (Richard Pike)
4. 10:07 AM - Re: Rebuilding a Kolb-WANTED (Wayne Boyter)
5. 11:57 AM - Kolb Photographer (David Key)
6. 12:18 PM - Re: Kolb Photographer (Robert Laird)
7. 12:22 PM - Re: Kolb Photographer (John Hauck)
8. 12:23 PM - Re: Kolb Photographer (found it) (David Key)
9. 02:37 PM - Re: Rebuilding a Kolb-WANTED (Aaron Gustafson)
10. 05:21 PM - Re: firefly (chris davis)
11. 06:25 PM - Re: firefly (Bob Noyer)
12. 08:06 PM - Re: firefly (chris davis)
13. 10:36 PM - Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (henry.voris)
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| Subject: | Re: Fly In at the Kolb Farm |
George,
Outstanding job on photo-documenting the event. THANKS!
This was my first attendance but hope Homer and Clara do it again next year. If
so, I'll do my best to be there. Particularly appreciate not being shunned because
I flew in in an Allegro.
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Thom in Buffalo
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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"Setting an example is not the main means of influencing another, it is the
only means."
Albert Einstein
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| Subject: | FS II off market |
Hi all,
Thanks to everyone who responded on my FS II, but I've decided again to take it
back off the market.
The cons of keeping it simply don't outweigh the cons of selling it. I keep coming
back to what I already got when I start thinking of a simple 2-stroke based
airplane that flies UL-like that I can occasionally trailer.
It's paid for, it has the best motor/prop setup money can buy for it on it already,
the fabric is professional-quality, the building of it was professional quality,
I have all the tools I need to work on the motor, the airframe well it
just doesn't ever need work, I have a trailer for it with some elbow grease can
be made more convenient for trailering than it is now....
The titan looks like it's going to hold together for a long time so I think I can
handle being without a large $$$$-hit-the-fan fund for at least the time being.
Besides, it's a Kolb that'll last thousands of hours, it flies just fine and I
can keep my tailwheel chops up in it to boot.....
So it's kind of stupid give the thing away when it's about the best I can do for
my low-slow/UL-type flying objective already. .
On the To-Do list, though, is some fixup of the trailer. The main problem with
it right now is it's hard work to get the plane onto it. Getting the tail up onto
the runner for the tailwheel is painful and getting the boom tube brace installed
afterwards takes the strength of two strong men.
It's also open, which presents other problems, mostly things blowing and flapping
in the wind as I go down the road...
I have some ideas on all this, though no good ones yet.
Anyway, thanks to all who responded...
LS
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LS
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: FS II off market |
Talk to Vince Nicely - he gets his off and on the trailer easy as pie.
Vince - talk to this guy!
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 11:37 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: FS II off market
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> On the To-Do list, though, is some fixup of the trailer. The main problem
> with it right now is it's hard work to get the plane onto it. Getting the
> tail up onto the runner for the tailwheel is painful and getting the boom
> tube brace installed afterwards takes the strength of two strong men.
> It's also open, which presents other problems, mostly things blowing and
> flapping in the wind as I go down the road...
>
> I have some ideas on all this, though no good ones yet.
>
> Anyway, thanks to all who responded...
>
> LS
>
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> LS
> FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding a Kolb-WANTED |
Good Morning
I have 1995 Kolb Mark 3 for sale. 582 blue head, 250 hrs. 500 total time.
72' Warp drive three blade prop. It has bent fuse cage and landing gear,
hard landing. Ever thing else is in great shape. Make offers. Roseburg,
Oregon 541-679-3831
Wayne
----- Original Message -----
From: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:37 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Rebuilding a Kolb-WANTED
> <agustafson@chartermi.net>
>
>>>>John Hauck wrote "Rebuilding a Kolb is a good way to learn about how
>>>>they are built"
>
> I am looking for a MK 3 to rebuild, most any condition, crashed, storm
> damaged etc
>
>
> Aaron Gustafson
> Iron Mountain Michigan
> 906 774 0683
> agustafson@chartermi.net
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Kolb Photographer |
Does someone remember the name of the famous photographer that used a Kolb
for his platform?
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Photographer |
Gee I'm not THAT famous.... oh! You mean Adriel Heisey....
http://www.adrielheisey.com
:-)
-- Robert
On 10/15/07, David Key <dhkey@msn.com> wrote:
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> Does someone remember the name of the famous photographer that used a Kolb
> for his platform?
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb Photographer |
http://www.adrielheisey.com/
Does someone remember the name of the famous photographer that used a
Kolb for his platform?
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| Subject: | Kolb Photographer (found it) |
Adriel Heisey I found it.
From: dhkey@msn.comTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Kolb-List: Kolb Phot
ographerDate: Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:54:14 -0500
Does someone remember the name of the famous photographer that used a Kolb
for his platform?
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| Subject: | Re: Rebuilding a Kolb-WANTED |
Wayne
You're pretty far from me and also sounds like the plane is worth more than
I'd like to pay. Not to much of a project there.
Thanks
Aaron
----- Original Message -----
From: "Wayne Boyter" <boyter@mcsi.net>
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rebuilding a Kolb-WANTED
>
> Good Morning
>
> I have 1995 Kolb Mark 3 for sale. 582 blue head, 250 hrs. 500 total time.
> 72' Warp drive three blade prop. It has bent fuse cage and landing gear,
> hard landing. Ever thing else is in great shape. Make offers. Roseburg,
> Oregon 541-679-3831
>
> Wayne
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Aaron Gustafson" <agustafson@chartermi.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2007 6:37 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: Rebuilding a Kolb-WANTED
>
>
>> <agustafson@chartermi.net>
>>
>>>>>John Hauck wrote "Rebuilding a Kolb is a good way to learn about how
>>>>>they are built"
>>
>> I am looking for a MK 3 to rebuild, most any condition, crashed, storm
>> damaged etc
>>
>>
>> Aaron Gustafson
>> Iron Mountain Michigan
>> 906 774 0683
>> agustafson@chartermi.net
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> 269.14.11/1071 - Release Date: 10/15/2007 6:48 AM
>
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Bob, THANK YOU THANK YOU, Your builders book and builders manual arrived to
day WoW !! I built a Firestar KXP and my builders manual is a mess !! How
did you keep it so neat and clean? I went through it an the questions I had
about the construction of the wing were answered . It only has 5 ribs but
the wing span is only 22 ft the main reason I built the KXP was it had seve
n ribs in each wing , but the wing span was apx 27 ft which makes the dista
nce between the ribs about the same apx. 19 inches avery strong little win
g, So thank you again and after I look at them some more I shall return the
m to you Chris =0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Bob Noyer <a
58r@verizon.net>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 9,
2007 10:50:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: firefly=0A=0ACan't say what ther
e differences are, if any. Can you ask TNK? =0A=0A=0AI'll bundle and send
in a coupla days. Altho I'm trying to sell FF, doubt if any action this lat
e in year. My good wife has had three kinds of cancer, and recently four TI
As...causing me to be close by almost all the time, and not away. Been flyi
ng since solo '41, an very depressed at no longer so, bu we've been marrie
more than 60 years, so I won't give up on her.=0A=0A=0AGlad you are mending
, even if it's slow going.=0A=0A=0A=0Aregards,=0ABob N. FireFly 070 Old
=================0A=0A=0A =0A________
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_=0ANeed a vacation? Get great deals=0Ato amazing places on Yahoo! Travel.
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Friend Chris,
Glad they made it in spite of what I call FailMail! Did you notice
they came in same old envelope old Kolb sent to me. Waste not, Want
not...from last great(?) Depression.
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
do not archive
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Bob ,Yes I did notice and you can expect it back in the same envelope!! Tha
nks again , I will try not to cause it too much wear . Your friend Chris
=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Bob Noyer <a58r@verizon.ne
t>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Monday, October 15, 2007 9:19:27 P
M=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: firefly=0A=0AFriend Chris,=0A=0A=0AGlad they ma
de it in spite of what I call FailMail! Did you notice they came in same ol
d envelope old Kolb sent to me. Waste not, Want not...from last great(?) De
pression.=0A=0A=0A=0Aregards,=0ABob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb=0Ahttp://www
=======================0A=0A=0A
=0A_________________________________________________________________
___________________=0APinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell.
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| Subject: | Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
I had some questions about ethanol, fuel and Mr.Funnel, so I ran some tests...
I used two sample jars, each containing 1,000 cc of fuel (Gasoline/10% Ethanol).
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Jar #1: I would add to the fuel 0.3 cc water. The water would form a small bead
at the bottom of the jar. I would shake the jar vigorously and the water would
dissolve, leaving the fuel a clear liquid.
I repeated this process 15 times... After adding a total of 4.5 cc's of water
the fuel became cloudy and began to show signs of phase separation. I continued
the water process twice more, (to 5.1 cc's) just to get a good phase separation
going.
After observing phase separation between the fuel and the ethanol/water, I shook
the jar vigorously to mix the whole mess up again and poured it through my
Mr.Funnel. I saved the residue from the trap in a separate sample jar.
Shortly the concoction cleared and there was a big blob of ethanol/water at the
bottom of the fuel jar... It had passed right through my Mr.Funnel. Bummer...
The fuel from the trap looked the same as the fuel that had passed through the
filter, both had water at the bottom.
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Jar #2: I added 4.0 cc (just 0.5 cc less than the amount needed to start phase
separation) of water to the fuel. The water formed a bead at the bottom of the
jar. I shook the jar vigorously and the water dissolved into the fuel leaving
it a clear liquid. I poured it through my Mr.Funnel. I saved the residue from
the trap in a separate sample jar.
At sunset, some eight hours later the fuel was still crystal clear with no signs
of phase separation, no signs of the water I had put in. The temperature during
the day was between 70 and 75.
At 0500 the next morning the temperature was 55. And the fuel had separated. There
was a clear blob of ethanol/water rolling around the bottom of the fuel jar.
The fuel saved from Mr.Funnel's trap had separated also. The proportions of
junk to fuel in the jar and in the trap seemed to be the same, leading me to
believe the water passed through the filter with little to no restrictions.
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I suspected that some of the moving parts in my Mr.Funnel were out of tune. I
called a pal and even though he flies a Quicksilver, I was able to borrow his
Mr.Funnel. I ran the above tests again, and I got the same results...
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Conclusions:
Jar #1... Mr.Funnel will not separate the water from a "Gasoline/10% Ethanol" mix
that has suffered phase separation. Both the fuel and the water/ethanol sludge
pass through the filter.
Jar #2...
A. The "Gasoline/10% Ethanol" mix has the ability to absorb water in a way that
is visually undetectable.
B. The water absorbed in this fuel will pass through Mr.Funnel with the fuel.
C. Fuel that has absorbed sufficient water, can suffer phase separation by simply
lowering the temperature.
In short, it is possible to have fuel that appears to be good while on the ground.
It can be run through Mr.Funnel... But if it is used to fly... it could cool
enough to suffer phase separation in the tank. The unburnable ethanol/water
mess will sink to the bottom of the tank.
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Reality Check:
A. In a perfect world... If you chose a gas station that moves a lot of fuel...
the odds of getting fuel with water is quite low. If the refinery to pump system
is tight, the ethanol should absorb any stray water as it moves through the
system. Thus the delivery system should contain no water at all.... I don't
live in a perfect world.
B. I will continue to use my Mr.Funnel to trap all the other junk I keep finding
in my fuel...
C. I ordered a gasolator.
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Aloha,
Henry
FireFly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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