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1. 01:04 AM - Re: Ethanol (henry.voris)
2. 01:11 AM - Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (henry.voris)
3. 01:52 AM - Re: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (pat ladd)
4. 02:30 AM - Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (Dave Bigelow)
5. 04:10 AM - Re: Fw: VX (Richard Girard)
6. 04:12 AM - Re: Fw: VX (Richard Girard)
7. 05:09 AM - Re: VX (robert bean)
8. 05:41 AM - Re: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (Thom Riddle)
9. 05:58 AM - Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (Thom Riddle)
10. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: "belly" dragger (Russ Kinne)
11. 06:59 AM - Re: Re: "belly" dragger (Richard Pike)
12. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: "belly" dragger (Bart Morgan)
13. 07:25 AM - Float mod info ()
14. 07:34 AM - Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (jb92563)
15. 07:41 AM - Re: Float mod info (jb92563)
16. 09:39 AM - Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (The BaronVonEvil)
17. 10:18 AM - alcohol in fuel (pat ladd)
18. 10:52 AM - Re: VX (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
19. 10:52 AM - Floats ()
20. 12:08 PM - Re: Re: VX (Larry Cottrell)
21. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (N27SB@aol.com)
22. 01:21 PM - Re: Floats (jb92563)
23. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (Richard Pike)
24. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (Larry Bourne)
25. 05:23 PM - Re: Firestar 2 (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
26. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (N27SB@aol.com)
27. 06:18 PM - Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (Dave Bigelow)
28. 07:17 PM - Re: Firestar 2 (possums)
29. 08:53 PM - Installing Book binding tape (herbgh@juno.com)
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Dave,
I think the best we can do about the fuel is follow "best practices"...
I buy fuel from a gas station that sells a lot of fuel.
I buy it right before I fly.
At the end of a days flying I empty the tank, gascolator and float chamber.
I feed the old gas to my truck and motorcycle, they both seem to like the 50:1
mix..
I have installed a gascolator.
In Hawaii all gas has 10% ethanol, so we gain nothing by switching brands. If you
have a fuel that questionable as to if it has ethanol in it or not... there
is a simple test for ethanol called the "olive jar test". The how-to is covered
in the CPS catalog. If you can't find it, eMail me off list and I'll send you
the procedure.
You said... "I know people tell me its a waste to use high test, alI in fact increasing
my ethanol content? All mt engines seem to run better with it."
I don't know if high test has more ethanol or not. I do know that fuel with higher
ethanol content can absorb more water before suffering phase separation. So
the ROTAX recommended 5% is more dangerous for phase separation than a 10% mix
or above.
Rick,
Thanks for the word on paper filters. Very important...
Ray,
I saw a suggestion that you check the "canard aviators at yahoo" for solutions
to the ethanol/fiberglass problem.
I know that here, it has been giving the fishing boats with fiberglass tanks fits.
Aloha,
Henry
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
Dave,
Thanks for the info on McKelvey... I'll eMail him tonight... The Reps for Maui
have been no help on this matter. They respond to my eMail with a form letter
saying they'll get back to me... then nothing. When I inquire again they just
ignore me. Lucky we live Hawaii...
Periodically I have been checking on the availability of unadulterated fuel at
Valley Isle Marine. They seem to have an inside track on the fuel situation...
As you know the Hawaii Government couldn't care less if some haoli pilots fall
outta the sky due to bad fuel, but they listen to the tens of thousands of guys
with fishing boats parked in their driveways...
Thom,
I had heard conflicting "experts" pontificate about fuel, ethanol and Mr.Funnel,
so I ran the tests to see for myself.
It is interesting to hear what the "expert" from Mr.Funnel said...
"Bottom line is that if the fuel that goes through the funnel is already phase
separated, then the water/ethanol mix in the separate phase will not pass through
the funnel."
I am sorry, but this simply is not true...
I ran the test on Jar #1 to see if fuel that had already suffered phase separation
would pass through the filter. Everytime I ran the test (after reading your
response I went to my workshop and ran the test several more times and I got
the same result everytime), everything, fuel, ethanol, and water passed through
the filter. In addition the sample that was caught in Mr.Funnel's trap contained,
the water/ethanol separate and the fuel in the same proportions as the
mix that had passed through the filter. This means that the water/ethanol separate
passed through the filter with the same ease as the fuel...
Also, I am a bit uneasy about the proposition, if you find water in your sump,
to dump the water and continue. You had rightly pointed out that after the ethanol
has separated the octane rating of the fuel drops to below a safe level.
But even more importantly, if you are getting water in the sump, your fuel is
already saturated... Any more water or a drop in the temperature will induce more
phase separation and junk at the bottom of your tank.
Thanks for your input. It helps me explain the points I am trying to make.
Ray,
Thank you for your kind words...
I didn't mention paper filters, but I'm glad someone else (Rick) did...
A gascolator is basically a sump, with a drain, placed at the lowest point of your
fuel line. As the fuel enters the gascolator it loses it velocity and thus
it's ability to carry water and other junk along with it. The water and other
junk settles to the bottom to be drained out later, while the fuel leaves through
the top.
Rick,
Right on...
Dear Mr.Pilot,
No, I didn't know the results of my tests before I ran them. In fact, I was surprised
by some of the results that I got...
It may be "obvious" and "apparent" to someone with the towering intellect of a
jet pilot that... "If the water is separated from the gasoline, it will sit in
the bottom of the MR Funnel and not be passed through." But as I explained to
Thom it simply isn't true.
Permit me to suggest that you enlighten the good people at Mr.Funnel as to your
insight that gravity is the active agent of the Mr.Funnel. When I review their
web site it is apparent the poor things are laboring under the misconception
that their filter had something to do with it...
BigLar,
Thanks...
Aloha
Henry
FireFly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
Lucky we live Hawaii..>>
Hi Henry,
caught an `extreme sports` film on TV the other night. Featured a girl going
solo on a powered parachute in one section and someone flying a weighshift
around Hawaii in the second part.
Lots of film of the plane flying in beautiful locations in the mountains ,
in places that made my toes curl at the thought of an engine out. Also miles
of film of streaking across the sea about 3 feet up. Beautifully shot but
not a position I would like to put myself in.
Wasn`t you by any chance?
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
Take Mr. Funnel and fill it with water - not a drop goes through the filter. I
just tried it. Odd that the phase separated mixture goes through. Plain tap
water sure doesn't.
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Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E
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Larry, Here's how I did it. All you need is an altimeter, an airspeed
indicator, a stop watch, a pen and a pad to write on. A knee board is
optional. :-)
VX = the speed that gives the most altitude gain in the shortest distance,
also known as obstacle clearance speed.
VY = the speed that gives the most altitude gain in the shortest time. For
brevity, cruise climb speed.
Pick an altitude to start the test. I used 1000' above my field. I did 2
minute climbs at airspeeds from 3 mph above stall to my normal cruise speed
in 5 mph increments. I started each climb at 800' so I could get stabilized
and started the stop watch as I passed through 1000'. At 2 minutes I read
the altimeter and recorded the altitude gain. VX, is the slowest speed that
gives the best rate of climb with an adequate margin for stall recovery. You
can also get VY if you want to do a bit of calculating.
To get a chart of how these speeds are effected by density altitude, do the
test on many days at a variety of barometric pressures and temperatures.
Rick
On 10/16/07, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
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>
> Personally I would have nothing that would tell me what any angle that I
> would fly anyway, even if I could figure out what VX is, the information
> would be useless to any one flying my plane since I have absolutely no
> instrument to measure it with. I use 50 MPH for my best speed for climb. My
> inclination is to shine it. I was just wondering what some of the rest of
> you EAB's used.
>
> Larry C
>
>
> Please excuse my ignorance, I just looked it up on Google, and am a bit
> embarrassed by the revelation. :-(
> Larry C
>
> *
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>
> *
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Oops, forgot to add, to cancel out any convective activity, do the tests at
sunrise.
Rick
On 10/17/07, Richard Girard <jindoguy@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Larry, Here's how I did it. All you need is an altimeter, an airspeed
> indicator, a stop watch, a pen and a pad to write on. A knee board is
> optional. :-)
> VX = the speed that gives the most altitude gain in the shortest distance,
> also known as obstacle clearance speed.
> VY = the speed that gives the most altitude gain in the shortest time. For
> brevity, cruise climb speed.
> Pick an altitude to start the test. I used 1000' above my field. I did 2
> minute climbs at airspeeds from 3 mph above stall to my normal cruise speed
> in 5 mph increments. I started each climb at 800' so I could get stabilized
> and started the stop watch as I passed through 1000'. At 2 minutes I read
> the altimeter and recorded the altitude gain. VX, is the slowest speed that
> gives the best rate of climb with an adequate margin for stall recovery. You
> can also get VY if you want to do a bit of calculating.
> To get a chart of how these speeds are effected by density altitude, do
> the test on many days at a variety of barometric pressures and temperatures.
>
>
> Rick
>
> On 10/16/07, Larry Cottrell <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Personally I would have nothing that would tell me what any angle that I
> > would fly anyway, even if I could figure out what VX is, the information
> > would be useless to any one flying my plane since I have absolutely no
> > instrument to measure it with. I use 50 MPH for my best speed for climb. My
> > inclination is to shine it. I was just wondering what some of the rest of
> > you EAB's used.
> >
> > Larry C
> >
> >
> > Please excuse my ignorance, I just looked it up on Google, and am a bit
> > embarrassed by the revelation. :-(
> > Larry C
> >
> > *
> >
> >
> > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
> > http://forums.matronics.com
> >
> > *
> >
> >
>
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For EAB a logbook entry is all that is required. Nothing to send in.
You can write anything you please for those V speeds.
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
Larry & Mike,
Not only was Mike's statement not fair, IT IS NOT TRUE. Mr. Funnel does
not separate the water from the gasoline "by gravity". The screen
allows gasoline to pass but not water. I use a small water separating
filter for salvaging the fuel from my sump sample jar. I pour the
sample from the sump trough this filter and the gasoline passes through
the filter but the water stays ON TOP of the filter. Is this water
levitating? I don't think so.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/gatsfueljar.php
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
HENRY,
Thanks for correcting my mis-statement. I've never used ethanol laced gasoline
so I just made an educated but wrong guess about the phase separated water w/
ethanol not passing the filter. I know it works fine with water that is not contaminated
with ethanol.
Learning every day.
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N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Re: "belly" dragger |
Not quite Kolb-related, but -- years ago in Powell River BC I saw a
'broken-back' looking plane with a fuselage like the belly-dragger.
Was told it was a "Luscombe sedan", 4 seats. Must have been the
"Silvaire Sedan'? Model 11? I never saw one before or since . Anyone
know anything about these?
Russ Kinne
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On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:19 PM, jb92563 wrote:
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> I'll bet that would turn on a dime.
>
> Ground loop prone perhaps as well in stiff x-winds.
>
> Its more of a backwards tricycle gear kindof rather than a tail
> dragger.
>
> I though with this threads title it was going to be about us beer
> drinking Kolbers.... ;-)
>
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> Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: "belly" dragger |
Check here -
http://rogerritter.com/aviation/luscombe.html
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Kinne" <russ@rkiphoto.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: "belly" dragger
>
> Not quite Kolb-related, but -- years ago in Powell River BC I saw a
> 'broken-back' looking plane with a fuselage like the belly-dragger.
> Was told it was a "Luscombe sedan", 4 seats. Must have been the
> "Silvaire Sedan'? Model 11? I never saw one before or since . Anyone
> know anything about these?
> Russ Kinne
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| Subject: | Re: "belly" dragger |
Russ,
My first airplane ride was in a Luscombe 8A. The fellow who took me up later
owned a Sedan. The were really neat planes. Had roll down windows like a car.
Not many were made. One was for sale on Barnstormers a while ago.
Bart Morgan
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Russ Kinne <russ@rkiphoto.com> wrote:
Not quite Kolb-related, but -- years ago in Powell River BC I saw a
'broken-back' looking plane with a fuselage like the belly-dragger.
Was told it was a "Luscombe sedan", 4 seats. Must have been the
"Silvaire Sedan'? Model 11? I never saw one before or since . Anyone
know anything about these?
Russ Kinne
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On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:19 PM, jb92563 wrote:
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> I'll bet that would turn on a dime.
>
> Ground loop prone perhaps as well in stiff x-winds.
>
> Its more of a backwards tricycle gear kindof rather than a tail
> dragger.
>
> I though with this threads title it was going to be about us beer
> drinking Kolbers.... ;-)
>
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> Riverside County, CA
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If you fly floats or are thinking about it this may be of interest to you.
" and you can buy just the spreader tube for $575US"
http://www.air-techinc.com/prod_cat_item.asp?categoryID=FloatsATFiberCat&typ=exclusives&ID=879
"click on the "learn more" button for a very good explanation, but no
pictures. we would need to incorporate the tailwheels they speak of for
sure, but i don't think brakes are necessary if you're good at ground
handling. T."
Dave R.
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
With all this trouble with ethanol and water maybe someone needs to build a filter/process
that simply takes out the ethanol and the water so we don't have to
deal with H20 saturated ethanol precipitating water in our tanks when the temperature
drops, as is surely does the higher you fly.
The lapse rate is 3.5 F/1000 ft so when you fly at 5,000 agl your temperature drop
is about 17F. Fly there for a little while and see what condenses in your
tank.....better have a gascolator!
It no wonder that people are having flameouts in the air....and if they dont check
right away, the water may be reabsorbed back into the fuel as it warms, leaving
no evidence of the problem.
I guess I'll need a gascolator too.
Ray
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| Subject: | Re: Float mod info |
Wow...floats are expensive.
Maybe I'll just buy a pair of those plastic unsinkable Kayaks instead and use those.
They are more streamlined anyway... [Laughing]
The spreader bar with wheels is an interesting concept.
I keep on thinking of a way to put floats on my Ultrastar seeing as how I live
next to a Lake, but I dont want to loose the ability to also land on dirt.
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
Hi All,
For what ever its worth have you seen the size of an average gascolator? They hold
maybe about a half cup of fuel.
If you have alot of water in suspension in auto gas it would not take very long
for the gascolator to fill with water and then enter the carburetor in any case.
I work as a boat mechanic and water in gas is always a problem lurking about for
boats. They do offer water seperating fuel fliters that hold about a quart of
fuel. The filter is about the size of a Small Block Chevy oil filter.
Mercury Marine and Bombardier (Johnson/Evinrude) offer water seperating fuel filter
kits for those who are interested. As for water in suspension I dont know
for sure if it will pass through the filter. Maybe some test are in order...
However they too will fill up with water and then pass it on if you get a bad load
of fuel.
I dont have any answers for the group other than try and purchase your fuel from
a reliable source and check it frequently.
Carlos G
AKA
BaronVonEvil
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Hi All,
this seems to be exercising every ones mind at the moment.
This from my local Popular Flying Assoc local Strut. Probably what you
call the local chapter of the EAA.
" Bioethenol which as a replacement for petrol is in the early stages
in the UK. Most of it comes from Brazil. 85% bioethanol blend is being
pioneered at some supermarkets.
A current Safety Information bulletin from Europe has made it likely
that motor gasoline will be supplied with an increasing amount of
alcohol. The spec. for motor gas. has always permitted the presence of
a small amount of alcohol although generally manufacturers have in fact
not done so
The CAA states that the effect of the new fuel can be Increased
likelihood of deterioration of rubber parts and some other materials
causing malfunction of the fuel system and increased leakage and fire
risk
Increases the likelihood of water in the fuel separating out at low
temps....increasing carb icing etc.
Test as follows.
Put fuel in a clear tube.
Mark a line on it at the fuel level.
Shake vigourously 10/15 secs and let it settle.
If the meniscus is still on the line the sample is alc. free
If it is higher alc. is present.
Of course all you hands on guys knew all that but it is useful info for
dumbo`s like me.
Cheers
Pat
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<< How does one figure VX in a firestar. I need it for the sheet that I
will turn in when I have completed my 40 hour test flights. WAG do?
Larry >>
Larry -
A few years ago, Richard Pike posted a very detailed, technically
thorough discussion on how to accurately find Vx and Vy for your (any)
airplane.
It involved creating a lift-over-drag curve and finding climb rates for
various airspeeds and power settings. The "knee" in the curve
represented one V speed, while the point tangent to that curve that
intersects another point on the graph represented the other V speed.
(Obviously, this is a VERY generic and non-scientific description of the
process. Check the archives for the nitty-gritty details.)
I did the flight tests, plotted the data points, and created the curve
on my graph. Amazing! I found the exact speeds for Vx and Vy for my
Mark-III. (Thanks again, Richard!) Turns out, the two speeds turned
out very close to each another for my plane - within five mph.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-III, 912ul, Powerfin-72
Cedar Crest, NM
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Ray,
Yes some people charge $2000 - 3000 for floats to fit Lazair/Kolb.
And that is cheap compared to some of the other heavier factory built stuff.
There are 750 lb floats available used for $600 - 700.
I bought mine for $500 broken ( I was in love with plane at that point).
I found some real neat wooden floats, Google "Muk Tuk" I think...
scratch built or kit. His site is worth reading just for the fun of his mind
set.
Cheers.
drh
CYEL
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 11:51 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: VX
I do apoligise for starting this thread. I read too fast without thinking
what they really wanted. The word angle was the only thing that I
registered. Of course I started off on a rant about gov. mule muffins, when
I should have realized they intended the speed of the VX rather than the
angle, since none of the planes that I have ever been in had anything to
measure angle of ascent. I am sure they are there, just saying I "ain't"
going to have one. VX for my plane is 45 MPH indicated airspeed at the
altitude that I fly. I try not to use that "angle" unless the canyon walls
are coming up faster than I like.
Larry C
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
In a message dated 10/17/2007 12:39:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
grageda@innw.net writes:
Mercury Marine and Bombardier (Johnson/Evinrude) offer water seperating fuel
filter kits for those who are interested. As for water in suspension I dont
know for sure if it will pass through the filter. Maybe some test are in
order...
This type of filter has a paper type filter and will absorb water and
eventually will block fuel. There is a brand that has a clear blue bowl on the
bottom with a drain. This type of a filter is very large and heavy for a small
plane.
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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I also found the Muk-Tuk floats and site stories an enjoyable read even if your
not looking for floats.
I was thinking of a mono float that might sit between the existing landing gear
so I could still land off water.
If this drought keeps up I may just use the extended shoreline to take off from
as the water level drops and exposes a long beach landing area.
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Ray
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
Build your own. Go to the auto parts store and get the biggest filter
you can find (to hold as much water as you think you might have) and
follow these instructions.
http://www.bcchapel.org/pages/0003/pg13.html
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
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From: N27SB@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 3:23 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel
In a message dated 10/17/2007 12:39:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
grageda@innw.net writes:
Mercury Marine and Bombardier (Johnson/Evinrude) offer water
seperating fuel filter kits for those who are interested. As for water
in suspension I dont know for sure if it will pass through the filter.
Maybe some test are in order...
This type of filter has a paper type filter and will absorb water and
eventually will block fuel. There is a brand that has a clear blue bowl
on the bottom with a drain. This type of a filter is very large and
heavy for a small plane.
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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See w
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
I think I mentioned quite a while ago that I have a Racor fuel
filter/water separator with a blue catch bowl on my boat, since at that
time I was burning quite a bit of Baja California Mexican gas in it.
Made me nervous, tho' I've never had a problem with a car down there. I
would guess - not having it nearby - that the bowl will hold +/- cup.
They make many sizes, and mine's fairly compact - about like a fairly
good sized coffee cup. Doubt if it weighs more than lb., and you'd
hafta have a badly contaminated supply to drown it in one flight. If
you're burning ethanol laced fuel, might not be a bad
idea. Lar.
N27SB@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/17/2007 12:39:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> grageda@innw.net writes:
>
>
> Mercury Marine and Bombardier (Johnson/Evinrude) offer water
> seperating fuel filter kits for those who are interested. As for
> water in suspension I dont know for sure if it will pass through
> the filter. Maybe some test are in order...
>
> This type of filter has a paper type filter and will absorb water and
> eventually will block fuel. There is a brand that has a clear blue
> bowl on the bottom with a drain. This type of a filter is very large
> and heavy for a small plane.
>
> Steve
> Firefly 007/Floats
> do not archive
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> See w
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Firestar 2 |
Hey all on the list lookie here this is a good deal LOW time I know the
plane
_eBay Motors: Kolb Firestar II Experimental Airplane. No Reserve! (item
320170924039 end time Oct-22-07 18:35:36 PDT)_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kolb-Firestar-II-Experimental-Airplane-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ320170924039QQihZ011QQca
tegoryZ63679QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)
Ellery in MAINE
building MK3Xtra
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
In a message dated 10/17/2007 6:03:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
biglar@gogittum.com writes:
I think I mentioned quite a while ago that I have a Racor fuel filter/water
separator with a blue catch bowl on my boat,
Yup that's the one. Works really well but a bit large for a UL. It would be
fine on a large Kolb in a Bad fuel area. I use them on all my boats and on my
diesel tractor.
Steve B
Firefly 007/Floats
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
The biggest problem I can see with using a gas/ethanol mixture that has picked
up a load of water (just short of the point of phase separation) is what happens
in the carb bowl. The carb tends to cool more than the fuel tanks because
of the vaporization of the fuel as it is atomized and mixed with air. If phase
separation (due to cooling) takes place in the carb bowl, it's too late for
a filter to do it's work.
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Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E
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| Subject: | Re: : Kolb-List:Firestar 2 |
At 08:22 PM 10/17/2007, you wrote:
>Hey all on the list lookie here this is a good deal LOW time I
>know the plane
>
><http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Kolb-Firestar-II-Experimental-Airplane-No-Reserve_W0QQitemZ320170924039QQihZ011QQcategoryZ63679QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem>eBay
>Motors: Kolb Firestar II Experimental Airplane. No Reserve! (item
>320170924039 end time Oct-22-07 18:35:36 PDT)
>
> Ellery in MAINE
>building MK3Xtra
>
>do not archive
You are going to see a lot of those type ads as January 31st approaches.
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| Subject: | Installing Book binding tape |
All
Trying to install gap seals on my Firefly today.. made a mess of the
first one...Wondering what the technique could be ? Missing something in
my reclining years...Herb
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