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1. 04:41 AM - Re: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (Dana Hague)
2. 05:50 AM - Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (Jim ODay)
3. 06:24 AM - Re: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (gary aman)
4. 07:26 AM - Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (JetPilot)
5. 07:30 AM - Re: Installing Book binding tape (JetPilot)
6. 10:02 AM - Re: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (Jack B. Hart)
7. 10:58 AM - Re: Re: Installing Book binding tape (N27SB@aol.com)
8. 12:12 PM - Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (henry.voris)
9. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (Jack B. Hart)
10. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Installing Book binding tape (possums)
11. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Floats (malcolmbru@aol.com)
12. 06:05 PM - Re south Mississippi light aircraft fly in (malcolmbru@aol.com)
13. 07:18 PM - Re: Re: Floats (N27SB@aol.com)
14. 07:31 PM - Re: Re: Floats (Larry Bourne)
15. 08:01 PM - Re: Re: Floats (chris davis)
16. 08:40 PM - Lurker on the loose (Robert Dresden)
17. 10:01 PM - Mass Inspection (Wade Lawicki)
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
At 11:52 PM 10/19/2007, JetPilot wrote:
>...Rotax recommends auto gas. Avgas causes lead deposits, fouling, and
>all sorts of problems in engines not designed for it. I would not run
>100LL in my 912-S even if it were the same price...
I've been running avgas in my Cuyuna for the sole reason that it keeps
better. For an airplane flown only occasionally during the colder months
this can be a significant factor. Haven't had any problems with it and
neither did the previous owner, though the engine doesn't have that many
hours on it. Come next spring, I may switch to auto gas, but then again I
may not.
Interestingly, the Cuyuna manual says, "Do not use aviation gasoline as it
may upset carburetion." Not sure what's up with that unless the jetting
would be different, though I'm not sure why.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
Your points are fine, I do not disagree. If your Rotax 912 manual says NO 100LL
I would not put it in either.
I am not saying auto gas is bad, just be extra careful when you are flying with
it. Inspect for water and dirt, filter, and do not rely on the octane labels.
You may be getting ethanol or methanol and it may or may not be labeled on
the pump. It varies state to state. If the gas looks cloudy at all, don't use
it even if you filter the heck out of it. Winter gas is different than summer
gas, California has about 7 varieties of gasoline, you will get Ethanol in MN
and the pumps are not marked.
I am aware of the lead deposit and plugs. I do not know if Seafoam will help this
:D
I WOULD be fine with regular use of auto gas if I knew the pedigree of the product
and the condition of the tank. Short of that, I have other things to worry
about. Plus they only sell 100LL at the field.
This is reality; We have a customers using "blank" filters. They are filter cans
w/o the element. Why? They have dirty tanks and it is a maintenance headache
that requires frequent changing. So they just pass the problem off to the
customers. Their stores are not dirty looking either, nice modern operations.
Don't pour it into your plane w/o doing your own QC checks.
I guess I worry about fuel because I see it every day. I suppose that are many
other things I could add to the list if I was aware of the risks.
Like it has been said many times, advice here is worth way you pay for it.
Fly safe Kolb Buddies.
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
I'm not too sure that 100LL is all that harmful.it was the fuel used to break in
my 503 and was used for the next 105 hrs.It run 50 degrees cooler on exhaust
temp over car gas,but leaves a white bloom, probably lead,on the ground electrode.Gas
lines lived longer with av gas over car gas.I've mixed them frequently
on long cross country flights.there is now 550hrs on the 503 with first de-carbon
at 475 hrs.
Jim ODay wrote:
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>
> My business is fuel storage tanks. I will not mess with "pump gas" for my Kolb,
or any plane for that matter. You really do not know what you are getting,
I have been in this business for many years, I know.
>
>
Your experience with fuel tanks is actually working against you... You are concentrating
so much on one small detail , that you are missing the big picture.
In the 912-S, Rotax recommends auto gas. Avgas causes lead deposits, fouling,
and all sorts of problems in engines not designed for it. I would not run
100LL in my 912-S even if it were the same price. It is also possible to have
prblems in your 2 stroke due to fouling of the plugs and rings with 100LL.
Millions of cars run on auto gas each day, and we dont see hundreds of them on
the side of the road each day due to fuel contamination. That really puts holes
in your claims of how bad and dirty auto gas is... You need to step back,
stop staring at dirty gas tanks all day, and look at the big picture. I run
auto gas, and my fuel filter and carbs are so clean that I could drink out of
them. You are so concentrated on one detail you are missing more important
things.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
I would not have that much of a problem putting 100LL Avgas in a 2 stroke, sometimes
on a cross country that is all that is available and you have no choice.
A simple changing of plugs and decarbon can fix any problems of lead in the
2 stroke.
In the Rotax 912, I would have to change to a non synthetic oil which does not
protect the engine nearly as much, and then change it more frequently to try to
keep the lead deposits under control. Even then there is still a problem with
lead deposits everywhere, which is why auto gas is much better in the four
stroke 912. I only buy Shell V-Power Premium gasoline, it does not have methanol
in the vast majority of the states. Again on cross country flights many people
use 100LL Avgas because there is no choice, and it works fine, but it is
only recommended when no other option exists.
My friend at the airport has a 20 gallon red plastic tank set up with a hand crank
pump and a large industrial cartridge type filter to clean his auto gas.
He said it only cost him like 150 bucks to build. This setup would clean the
gas and separate water much better than the MR Funnel. If one were very worried
about the problems Jim was talking about with car gas, this would be a simple
solution, and much better than running 100LL in an engine not designed for
it.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Book binding tape |
What is finishing tape and where do you get it ???
Also, where do you guys get the book binding tape ?
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
Jim,
I worry about getting bad fuel at the filling station. Since I have aged a
little, I use 2.5 gallon cans to refuel the FireFly. I have four of them so
that I can purchase 10 gallons at a time. The nice thing about these small
cans is that it is very easy to look into the can to see if there is any
water or other impurities in the fuel. And it is very easy to prevent
contaminants from entering the FireFly tank.
I never completely empty the can into the FireFly tank. This captures the
crud in the re filler can. When I am going to refill all of the cans, I
check for water, etc. before I put the oil in the can. If there is a little
bit in the bottom of the can, I don't worry about it. If the build up of
water is substantial, I will empty the can out dry. Otherwise, I use the
gas in the bottom of the can to dilute the oil before refilling the can at
the filling station.
I remove the FireFly gas tank and dump it every spring. I never find more
than a nickel volume of water in the tank. When I hangared in the
Mississippi River bottoms, I kept my tank topped off. But here in
Winchester, IN, I only top up after 2.5 gallons have been run out of the tank.
In checking the Bing carburetor flow bowl, I have never found any water. So
far I have had good luck.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Book binding tape |
In a message dated 10/20/2007 10:31:25 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
orcabonita@hotmail.com writes:
Also, where do you guys get the book binding tape ?
Mike
There are many sources on the Web, I think John H posted one on this thread.
I buy mine from TNK. About the same price and Travis keeps it in stock.
Steve B
Firefly 007/Floats
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
Jack,
Does the fuel you use contain ethanol?
If so what % ?
Thanks
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Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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| Subject: | Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel |
At 12:11 PM 10/20/07 -0700, you wrote:
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>Jack,
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>Does the fuel you use contain ethanol?
>
>If so what % ?
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>Thanks
>
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>Henry
>Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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>Do Not Archive
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Henry,
So far I have avoided the use of gasoline with ethanol. But, I believe, it
will be mandatory to use ethanol in Indiana starting New Years Day, 2008 in
Indiana.
I do not believe there is a greater chance of getting water in the gasoline
than at present, because the ethanol is mixed with pipeline gasoline in/at
the truck filling park.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Installing Book binding tape |
At 10:30 AM 10/20/2007, you wrote:
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>What is finishing tape and where do you get it ???
>
>Also, where do you guys get the book binding tape ?
>
>Mike
This was put on with "finishing tape" and painted, I forget what
size I used. All the aircraft fabric places sell it where ever you get
your covering supplies.
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in the Zenair builders guid they sugest something diferent .. they also sugest
a special rivet? from Granger?? malcolm? michigan
-----Original Message-----
From: N27SB@aol.com
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:52 am
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Floats
In a message dated 10/19/2007 11:44:20 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, jb92563@yahoo.com
writes:
How did you seal the rivet seams on your aluminum floats?
Ray,? I would use a product called 3M 5200.? Most boat stores sell It
?
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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| Subject: | Re south Mississippi light aircraft fly in |
it was a great time today at Ronnies fly in I am sorry I hade to leave early??
malcolm michigan
-----Original Message-----
From: jb92563 <jb92563@yahoo.com>
Sent: Fri, 19 Oct 2007 10:43 am
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Floats
How did you seal the rivet seams on your aluminum floats?
I'm going to try designing a single float for the Kolb Ultrastar if possible to
keep the weight light.
Have not decided on a material....have to do the basic shape configuration first
to see what is feasable.
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Ray
Riverside County, CA
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In a message dated 10/20/2007 9:02:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
malcolmbru@aol.com writes:
in the Zenair builders guid they sugest something diferent .. they also
sugest a special rivet from Granger malcolm michigan
Don't know about that, But, Can-Zac and Czech Float both have built the
Zenair design and both use 3M 5200. I currently fly the Czech Float and am
waiting for a set from Can-Zac. Czech Float has tried 2 part urethanes but the
last time I talked to them they went back to 3M.
Steve B
Firefly 007/Floats
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You're right, Steve. 5200 and its' competitor, SikaFlex, are waterproof
and probably the strongest and most flexible adhesives I've ever seen.
Used them a lot on boats in another life, and when you stick something
with one of 'em you'd best want it to stay stuck, 'cause you're not
gonna get it apart again. There /is/ a solvent, but it's mostly for
cleanup. Doesn't penetrate joints very well, and takes a loooong time.
I saw a documentary on stickums the other night and they made a big deal
out of another 3M product.......a tape called, uh, RBX ?? RHB ??
Something like that, and it's amazing stuff. Lar.
N27SB@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/20/2007 9:02:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> malcolmbru@aol.com writes:
>
> in the Zenair builders guid they sugest something diferent .. they
> also sugest a special rivet from Granger malcolm michigan
>
> Don't know about that, But, Can-Zac and Czech Float both have built
> the Zenair design and both use 3M 5200. I currently fly the Czech
> Float and am waiting for a set from Can-Zac. Czech Float has tried 2
> part urethanes but the last time I talked to them they went back to 3M.
>
> Steve B
> Firefly 007/Floats
> do not archive
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> See w
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Steve , I'm all behind 5300 I was a commercial fisherman for 31 years and
we all used 5200 for all kinds of waterproof connections it will fasten an
d have more strength that what ever you are fastening , be it fiberglass to
wood or steel to fiberglass the 5200 would be the strongest component in a
ny joint always something else would come apart before the 5200 . Chris
=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "N27SB@aol.com" <N27SB@aol
.com>=0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 10:1
7:51 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Floats=0A=0A=0AIn a message dated 10/
20/2007 9:02:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, malcolmbru@aol.com writes:=0Ain
the Zenair builders guid they sugest something diferent .. they also suges
t a special rivet from Granger malcolm michigan =0A=0A=0ADon't know abo
ut that, But, Can-Zac and Czech Float both have built the Zenair design and
both use 3M 5200. I currently fly the Czech Float and am waiting for a se
t from Can-Zac. Czech Float has tried 2 part urethanes but the last time I
talked to them they went back to 3M. =0A =0ASteve B=0AFirefly 007/Floats=0A
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| Subject: | Lurker on the loose |
Kolb Folks, My name is Bob Dresden , and I've lurked for years. Short
story. Sometime in the mid 80's I pinned a picture of a Firestar to my
bulletin board. I always said...Someday I'll have one. Life happens, it
ain't been easy. Found this forum in the early days, been here since, but
Someday. Met a few folks at MV as I passed through, Loved those
airplanes...Someday. Well, it's Someday! I believe I've talked Lucien
into selling his, and it's a nice machine (I Think). I'm a VN Vet, living
off the gov, and I never thought this could happen. I feel like a kid at
Christmas, watching it Snow like mad and thinking of the adventures ahead of
me. I tell ya, God loves me, ( and you too). Now, the rest of the story.
I have to tote this craft from Santa Fe, NM to Steamboat Springs, Co. Right
up the backbone of America. High passes, wicked winds, roads ??? I plan to
pull the wings and carry them on a pickup rack, stacked together, padded and
shrink wrapped. Comments? I don't want to haul a lite wt. billboard down
the road. What I need to know is the total chord w/ailerons so as to modify
the rack accordingly. I believe it's a 98 model Firestar II. I've already
ordered a Chile Vest.
Bdres, in stormy Colo
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12 more can join the group of Legal E-LSA today , including 4- trikes, 7- fixed
wings, and 1- powered parachute. All in one day and not the painful experience
some have had. Group rate was $250 each, about 100-150 less than the going
rate here in Tn. All passed with no hassles and everyone left legal and happy
:D
Fly Safe ,
Wade
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