---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 10/23/07: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:35 AM - Re: Kolb Newsletter (Vic Gibson) 2. 04:23 AM - Re: Mechanical brakes on Mark II (Richard Girard) 3. 05:18 AM - Re: Finally (pat ladd) 4. 05:19 AM - Trailering a Kolb (flykolb) 5. 05:29 AM - kolbra 012 for sale (Paul Petty) 6. 05:42 AM - Re: Mechanical brakes on Mark II (Jack B. Hart) 7. 07:30 AM - Re: Finally (jb92563) 8. 07:44 AM - Re: Mechanical brakes on Mark II (Thom Riddle) 9. 08:01 AM - Re: Mechanical brakes on Mark II (Richard Pike) 10. 10:44 AM - FULL LOTUS monofloat for sale (chris davis) 11. 12:19 PM - Re: Lurker on the loose (jb92563) 12. 12:35 PM - Re: Wing Bracing (jb92563) 13. 12:43 PM - Re: kolbra 012 for sale (jb92563) 14. 12:47 PM - Re: How many Ultrastars? (jb92563) 15. 01:03 PM - Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel (jb92563) 16. 01:31 PM - Re: Lurker on the loose (Tom O'Hara) 17. 01:57 PM - Re: Re: Lurker on the loose (flykolb) 18. 02:15 PM - Re: kolbra 012 for sale (Paul Petty) 19. 02:20 PM - Re: kolbra 012 for sale (Vic Gibson) 20. 02:44 PM - gmail (chris davis) 21. 02:50 PM - Re: gmail (Russ Kinne) 22. 02:50 PM - Re: Monument Valley tour (Jack B. Hart) 23. 02:55 PM - Re: kolbra 012 for sale (Jack B. Hart) 24. 03:00 PM - Re: gmail (George T. Alexander, Jr.) 25. 03:13 PM - Re: kolbra 012 for sale (planecrazzzy) 26. 03:14 PM - Re: gmail (chris davis) 27. 03:18 PM - Re: gmail (Bob Noyer) 28. 03:50 PM - Re: gmail (chris davis) 29. 04:06 PM - Re: gmail (chris davis) 30. 08:19 PM - Re: kolbra 012 for sale (Flycrazy8@aol.com) 31. 08:29 PM - Re: kolbra 012 for sale (Flycrazy8@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:53 AM PST US From: "Vic Gibson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb Newsletter No newsletter exists to my knowledge. Too bad, we need one. -----Original Message----- From: cristalclear13 Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 7:13 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb Newsletter In the folder/paperwork I was given when I bought my Mark II, I found a couple Kolb Newsletters...one dated Fall 1991 and another one dated July 1, 1995. Is anyone still producing such a newsletter? If so, how would I get one? -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141231#141231 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:11 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mechanical brakes on Mark II Cristal, You're right about the picture, not much detail. They appear to be cable operated disk brakes. Have you checked the cable to be sure it's not rusted in place? http://www.mfgsupply.com/m/c/4-488.html?id=ui9AGfJQ http://www.gokartsupply.com/discbr.htm Try gokartparts.com or gokartsupply.com if the links above don't work. Rick On 10/22/07, cristalclear13 wrote: > > cristalclearwaters@juno.com> > > Hi Kolbers. I'm trying to fix the brakes on the Mark II I bought before > the airworthiness inspection. > It's a terrible picture...I'll try to get a better one...but does anyone > recognize these brakes? Like who makes them...where can I get replacement > pads? > The cable was holding that top arm in a "brakes on" position no matter how > much I released the tension using the screw on the control stick. When I > unscrewed the nut on the top arm of the brake I found the control cable > threaded through the hole in the drilled nut. When I took the cable out of > the hole, the top arm released the brakes, so it wasn't the arm that was > stuck but the cable was holding it. I'll obviously need new brake pads > since they weren't stopping her, but don't know why the cable was holding > the brakes in the "on" position. > I'm trying to fix these the cheapest, easiest, and fastest way possible. > > -------- > Cristal > Mark II Twinstar > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141216#141216 > > > Attachments: > > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/brakes2_mark_ii_twinstar_tundra_tire_n193y_198.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/brake_control_on_stick_136.jpg > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:31 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Finally What an adventure, Pat. I was on the edge of my seat laughing>> Hi Lar, Talk about `if it can wrong it will`. The Keystone Cops weren`t in it. I was thraped (a North of England Expression roughly meaning `buggered`) by the time I put her away last night. I wish I was 20 again, even 60 would do at a pinch. It was just about dark by the time I got home. A little before the 6 o clock dead line but I bent the rules and had a stiff gin and tonic and fell asleep for about an hourand a half. Wendy woke me for dinner so a good glass of Chilean Red was called for. Wendy was out playing bridge all evening so after clearing the e-mails, writing my report to the list, writing my cheque to the PFA for the Permit Renewal I retired for an evenings TV. assisted by a beer. I slept well last night. I have been to the field and removed the battery this morning. It is fitted right up in the nose so a bit of limbo dancing was called for to get the retaining bracket removed but it is now on charge. True to form it is a glorious day. Not a cloud in a bright blue sky, 5 mph wind, temp 72F. Off to Appledore tomorrow. If I can`t fly thats the next best thing. If the Wx stays good I shall be able to refit the battery and fly next weekend. Wendy`s brother has edited and added a musical soundtrack to the video we took Stateside last May, including MV. Our trip with you around the country surrounding Gouldings, and the flying shots came out well. So did the shots of you in Indian tracker mode. You are a star! Cheers Lar All the best Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:58 AM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Kolb-List: Trailering a Kolb Rick, You said "The Kolb Mk III came home in a closed truck with wings attached." What size truck did you use, how did you get the Kolb in and out of the truck, and how much did it cost? I may need to move my Mark III from NC to MI next month. Jim Mark III ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:59 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: kolbra 012 for sale From: "Paul Petty" Hi gang, It's been a while. It is with great regret that Ms. Dixie is FOR SALE. Life sometimes throws you curve balls you just cant hit. Were asking 32K for the Kolbra. As most of you know she is loaded to the max. call me for details 601-480-9979 or 601-782-4506 -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie 912 UL 70" warp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141279#141279 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:09 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mechanical brakes on Mark II At 05:57 PM 10/22/07 -0700, you wrote: > Cristal, Looks like a brake off of a riding lawn mower, etc. Try to find a name or number and Google it. Apply some WD40 to the top end of the cables at the stick until it penetrates the rust that is binding them to the guide. Pull the cables and if salvageable coat them with very soft grease and re-install. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Finally From: "jb92563" Pat, Important Safety Tip: Next time you attempt to go through the barn like an ol Barnstormer, don't forget to open the back doors as well!!! [Wink] -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141301#141301 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:06 AM PST US From: Thom Riddle Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mechanical brakes on Mark II Cristal, I do not recognize the brakes on your airplane but do recognize the big tires. FWIW, the larger the diameter the tires, the more power needed by the brakes to retard their motion. You won't get much power from mechanical brakes even with new pads. On a Kolb with standard main gear configuration, this is not all bad because of the potential of nose-over with really good brakes is substantial. Not much help I know but you should not expect very good braking from mechanical brakes; not enough mechanical advantage. Thom in Buffalo ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:59 AM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Mechanical brakes on Mark II Don't remember the make, had a Quicksilver MX years ago with those same units. Buy new pads and rebuild them yourself would be the best bet, ought to be able to get pad material at a good lawn mower shop. If the new pad material isn't the right shape but is oversized you can wear a good mask, protect yourself at all times, and grind the new pads to shape with a bench grinder. Those brakes worked tolerably well on the slow Quicksilver, but needed to be taken apart, cleaned, greased and adjusted well before they would work at all, they were a mechanically ramshackle arangement. And your cables will need to be in good, well-lubed condition. You ought to be able to get them working for under $30 including new cables if you don't mind getting dirty. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "cristalclear13" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2007 8:57 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Mechanical brakes on Mark II > > > Hi Kolbers. I'm trying to fix the brakes on the Mark II I bought before > the airworthiness inspection. > It's a terrible picture...I'll try to get a better one...but does anyone > recognize these brakes? Like who makes them...where can I get replacement > pads? > The cable was holding that top arm in a "brakes on" position no matter how > much I released the tension using the screw on the control stick. When I > unscrewed the nut on the top arm of the brake I found the control cable > threaded through the hole in the drilled nut. When I took the cable out > of the hole, the top arm released the brakes, so it wasn't the arm that > was stuck but the cable was holding it. I'll obviously need new brake > pads since they weren't stopping her, but don't know why the cable was > holding the brakes in the "on" position. > I'm trying to fix these the cheapest, easiest, and fastest way possible. > > -------- > Cristal > Mark II Twinstar > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141216#141216 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/brakes2_mark_ii_twinstar_tundra_tire_n193y_198.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/brake_control_on_stick_136.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:02 AM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Kolb-List: FULL LOTUS monofloat for sale Listers sorry to repeat myself . Full Lotus Monofloat system for sale. was on my Firestar KXP , retractable gear , sponsons, some rigging , has been s itting outside since 2004 , might have a leaky inner tube, on Cape Cod ,Ma . pick up only will drive to deliver up to 300 miles for.25 /mile. $1000 Chris Davis=0A=0A__________________________________________________=0ADo ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:22 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lurker on the loose From: "jb92563" Mike, Thats a great setup you have made for hauling your Kolb. I'll be making something similar out of my spare single Seadoo trailer. Secured at the tires and supported along the boom with a bracket and straps is ideal.....Headfirst of course! Nice! -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141335#141335 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:35:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List:Wing Bracing From: "jb92563" Rib stitching will also help but those angle braces are some very good insurance. I know those ribs are weak laterally due to the rivet holes in the upper curvature as I found out first hand from some over shrunk Poly Fiber so the extra bracing is a good thing. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141336#141336 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:03 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: kolbra 012 for sale From: "jb92563" Oh no...your kidding!!!! Thats terrible....I know what happened....I'm sorry to hear it had to turn out that way. Life is so unfair some times. On the positive side, the next one will go together a lot quicker and you will be able to incorporate all your ideas from the previous one. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141338#141338 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: How many Ultrastars? From: "jb92563" I though I read around 400 from kits someplace. I'll have to go dig up my magazines and find it. I've got one that has flown, and will again shortly. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141340#141340 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Gas, Ethanol and Mr.Funnel From: "jb92563" Well I just bought a Funnel from West Marine. Description: Medium Funnel - 3.5GPM, 8-3/4"H x 5-1/2"Dia., 100 Micron Price: $ 24.99 USD It says right on the box that is will not work on the water saturated in the ethanol, and it also does not work as well if the water/fuel is highly agitated from vibration so you should let the fuel source sit still for a couple minutes before pouring if it was highly agitated via vibration. Still it is better than having water and dirt in my tank, so I'll filter all my fuel from now on. All this talk about dirty fuel has surprised me as I did not expect the fuel to be so contaminated with dirt, organisms and water....I just though that it was ME introducing contamination in the fuel. Thanks for the lively discussions and illuminating knowledge. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141345#141345 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lurker on the loose From: "Tom O'Hara" Bob-- Two years ago I bought a Kolb MKIII and hauled it xc from Northern Wisconsin to Eastern PA. I rented an enclosed U-Haul. Took the wings off and slung them from the roof with 18" pieces of carpet/foam/and safety straps. Fuselage went in nose first with a boom support to keep all of the weight off the tail wheel. Wheels were chocked front and back to keep them from rolling. I stopped and every hour and a half to check on things. Got to PA with absolutely NO damage or hanger (truck) rash. I have some pics that I would be happy to send to you. tohara@alphagraphics.com Good luck Light winds and soft landings-- Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141351#141351 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:57 PM PST US From: "flykolb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Lurker on the loose Tom, Did you use an enclosed trailer or a truck? What size and about how much did it cost for the trip? I would appreciate any info as I may need to move my Mark III from NC to MI next month. Jim Mark III ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom O'Hara" Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 4:30 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Lurker on the loose > > Bob-- Two years ago I bought a Kolb MKIII and hauled it xc from Northern Wisconsin to Eastern PA. I rented an enclosed U-Haul. Took the wings off and slung them from the roof with 18" pieces of carpet/foam/and safety straps. Fuselage went in nose first with a boom support to keep all of the weight off the tail wheel. Wheels were chocked front and back to keep them from rolling. > > I stopped and every hour and a half to check on things. > > Got to PA with absolutely NO damage or hanger (truck) rash. I have some pics that I would be happy to send to you. tohara@alphagraphics.com > > Good luck > Light winds and soft landings-- Tom > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141351#141351 > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:08 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: kolbra 012 for sale From: "Paul Petty" Thanks Ray, I'm not the first to fall into this deal. This airplane will make someone a nice bird and I have already had a few inquires. Wow! Thanks to all and yes I will be back! -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie 912 UL 70" warp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141358#141358 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:50 PM PST US From: "Vic Gibson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kolbra 012 for sale Too bad you have to sell your Kolbra. I may have to sell my Mark III Classic also. It is such a pleasure to fly, but the doctor's news is not good. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Petty Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:29 AM Subject: Kolb-List: kolbra 012 for sale Hi gang, It's been a while. It is with great regret that Ms. Dixie is FOR SALE. Life sometimes throws you curve balls you just cant hit. Were asking 32K for the Kolbra. As most of you know she is loaded to the max. call me for details 601-480-9979 or 601-782-4506 -------- Paul Petty Kolbra #12 Ms Dixie 912 UL 70" warp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141279#141279 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:44:41 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Kolb-List: gmail Listers please excuse my ignorance < WHAT IS GMAIL!!!! Chris=0A=0A_______ m ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:09 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: gmail I'm dumb too. What izzit? On Oct 23, 2007, at 5:44 PM, chris davis wrote: > Listers please excuse my ignorance < WHAT IS GMAIL!!!! Chris > > _________________________________________________ > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:26 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Monument Valley tour At 07:18 PM 10/22/07 -0700, you wrote: > >After hearing about the Monument Valley, I am finally going to go there. >I am planning a trip in my 1948 Bonanza to visit my kids in San Diego, and >to scout out the Monument Valley area for a trailered visit with my Kolb >Firefly. My plan is to be at Monument Valley Jan 6 & 7, 2008. > >I have seen the classic pictures from that area, but I don't really know >any specific place to go. Currently my plan is to take off from UT25 and >fly North. Can anybody suggest specific sights to see? For me to have >any hope of finding it I will need Lat/Lon coordinates, or bearing/range >from a city, feature, or navaid. > >Thanks. >Jim >N. Idaho > Jim, Try UT25 do not archive Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:43 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kolbra 012 for sale At 09:20 PM 10/23/07 GMT, you wrote: > >Too bad you have to sell your Kolbra. I may have to sell my Mark III Classic also. It is such a pleasure to fly, but the doctor's news is not good. > Vic, My older brother told me "After 60 years of age we have to manage our state (or might have been rate) of decline." 103-7 may be the answer. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:05 PM PST US From: "George T. Alexander, Jr." Subject: RE: Kolb-List: gmail Chris: GMAIL......... Free email service provided by Google. (Similar to yahoo mail). It can be rigged and run through your email software (Outlook, etc...) or done as a web access service. Go to: http://mail.google.com or go directly to google.com and navigate to mail. George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of chris davis Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:44 PM Subject: Kolb-List: gmail Listers please excuse my ignorance < WHAT IS GMAIL!!!! Chris _________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:37 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: kolbra 012 for sale From: "planecrazzzy" Hi Paul, Did you ever get to Fly it PIC ? So, Did she say it's the plane or me ?....Did you patch things up ? Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" Building "next" plane - Buttercup ( For about the price of my FSII ) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Buttercup-STOL/ .. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=141374#141374 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:47 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: gmail Russ , thanks for making me feel; less stupid ! are you the guy involved in small boats? Chris=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Russ Kinne =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 5:48:58 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: gmail=0A=0AI'm dumb too. Wh at izzit?=0A=0A=0AOn Oct 23, 2007, at 5:44 PM, chris davis wrote:=0A=0A=0AL isters please excuse my ignorance < WHAT IS GMAIL!!!! Chris=0A=0A________ _________________________________________=0A - The Kolb-List Email Forum - class="Apple-converted-space"> --> http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Kolb-List - NEW MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - class="Apple-co =======================0A=0A___ o.com ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:58 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: gmail It's between FMail and HMail!...Gnaw, it's a quite good mail/ISP product. clk on: http://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en/about.html regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ Part 2 of Ferry(ing) Story...clk on Next page do not archive ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:05 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: gmail Hey Bob , thanks again I talked to Travis by "gmail " and he said the win g was the same except the leading and trailing edge tubes were increased in thickness from .28 to .33 so that is a positive change . Hope to go to t he same fly-in and meet you someday , Your friend Chris =0A=0A=0A=0A---- - Original Message ----=0AFrom: Bob Noyer =0ATo: kolb-lis t@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:18:23 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: gmail=0A=0AIt's between FMail and HMail!...Gnaw, it's a quite g ood mail/ISP product. =0A=0A=0Aclk on: http://mail.google.com/mail/help/in tl/en/about.html=0A=0A=0A=0Aregards,=0ABob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb=0Ahtt p://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ Part 2 of Ferry(ing) Story...clk on Next =============0A=0A_________________________________ ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:55 PM PST US From: chris davis Subject: Re: Kolb-List: gmail Bob, =0A Meant to say .028 to .035 inches , sorry about that but I haven't dealt with these measurements for some time. Chris=0A=0A=0A----- Original M essage ----=0AFrom: Bob Noyer =0ATo: kolb-list@matronics. com=0ASent: Tuesday, October 23, 2007 6:18:23 PM=0ASubject: Re: Kolb-List: gmail=0A=0AIt's between FMail and HMail!...Gnaw, it's a quite good mail/ISP product. =0A=0A=0Aclk on: http://mail.google.com/mail/help/intl/en/about. html=0A=0A=0A=0Aregards,=0ABob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb=0Ahttp://www.ange lfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ Part 2 of Ferry(ing) Story...clk on Next page=0A=0A =========0A=0A_____________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:36 PM PST US From: Flycrazy8@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kolbra 012 for sale ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:05 PM PST US From: Flycrazy8@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: kolbra 012 for sale Sorry Gang Meant to ask Paul where he was located at and where the Kolbra was located for viewing ....... 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