---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/27/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:18 AM - Re: Trailering a Kolb (Dave Bigelow) 2. 01:13 AM - Light Sport N477DB (Dave Bigelow) 3. 05:28 AM - Re: Firestar II - Legal now (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 4. 05:29 AM - Re: Firestar II - Legal now (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 5. 05:44 AM - Re: Firestar II - Legal now (Aaron Gustafson) 6. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Trailering a Kolb (gary aman) 7. 08:35 AM - Help with level flight attitude for Mark II (cristalclear13) 8. 08:42 AM - Re: Help with level flight attitude for Mark II (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 9. 08:43 AM - Re: Firestar II - Legal now (planecrazzzy) 10. 08:55 AM - Re: I really love Ivo Props, now (planecrazzzy) 11. 09:11 AM - Re: flying VG's (John Hauck) 12. 10:08 AM - Re: Help with level flight attitude for Mark II (possums) 13. 12:22 PM - Re: Re: Finally (pat ladd) 14. 12:29 PM - Re: Space for radio mounting (pat ladd) 15. 02:00 PM - Re: Finally (JetPilot) 16. 02:02 PM - Re: Space for radio mounting (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 17. 02:20 PM - Re: flying VG's (JetPilot) 18. 02:53 PM - Re: Ivo Props (JetPilot) 19. 03:19 PM - Re: Space for radio mounting (John Codd) 20. 03:35 PM - Re: Re: Finally () 21. 03:47 PM - Re: flying VG's (John Hauck) 22. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: flying VG's (Jack B. Hart) 23. 07:19 PM - I am getting a Kolb MK III!! (grantr) 24. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: flying VG's () ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:18:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Trailering a Kolb From: "Dave Bigelow" A simple way to take the load off the tail wheel and the wing fold tube when trailering is to put an inner tube between the trailer bed and the leading edges of the wing in the area of the wing fold tube. Tie down the tail wheel to the trailer and then inflate the tube. Inflate the tube enough to remove about half (or a little more) of the weight from the tail wheel. You get a spring effect from the inflated tube and the tailwheel strut, but not enough to bend things. You can put a piece of plastic sheet or a soft piece of fabric between the tube and the LE of the wings to prevent chafing. This has worked pretty well for me, but I haven't trailed thousands of miles like some on this list have. -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, HKS 700E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142116#142116 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Light Sport N477DB From: "Dave Bigelow" My Firestar II is now a legal ELSA. Just finished up the paperwork and inspection with a local FAA inspector. As far a I know we don't have any ELSA DAR's here in Hawaii. I used the package from Rainbow Aviation, and some other web sources. I have a PDF file of all the paperwork that went to the local FSDO, if anyone would like for me to post it. -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, HKS 700E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142120#142120 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:39 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II - Legal now holy crap does your DAR want to go on a vacation to Maine that is cheap I know of a lot of guys looking at a long wait that would like to get there inspection done especially at that price Ellery in Maine Building MK3Xtra do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:29:55 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II - Legal now Congats on your being legal now Ellery in Maine do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:16 AM PST US From: "Aaron Gustafson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II - Legal now I know I have a wonderful DAR. He does not charge for inspections or even transportation. He is also a EAA Tech Counselor, an instructor of aviation technologies at a university, an A&P and a retired airforce colonel (sp). Aaron Gustafson ----- Original Message ----- From: ElleryWeld@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 7:27 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar II - Legal now holy crap does your DAR want to go on a vacation to Maine that is cheap I know of a lot of guys looking at a long wait that would like to get there inspection done especially at that price Ellery in Maine Building MK3Xtra do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 10/26/2007 8:50 AM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:23 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Trailering a Kolb Simple is better when it comes to trailering.I have a picture of a support system on Barnstormers for a Firestar under fs 2 w/custom trlr.The smoothest ride in a trailer is the mid point between the trailer axles and the towing unit rear axle.Back it in, anchor the tires and let the aircraft suspension work.Put the tube support in the mid point.It removes all shock loads from the tube. A simple way to take the load off the tail wheel and the wing fold tube when trailering is to put an inner tube between the trailer bed and the leading edges of the wing in the area of the wing fold tube. Tie down the tail wheel to the trailer and then inflate the tube. Inflate the tube enough to remove about half (or a little more) of the weight from the tail wheel. You get a spring effect from the inflated tube and the tailwheel strut, but not enough to bend things. You can put a piece of plastic sheet or a soft piece of fabric between the tube and the LE of the wings to prevent chafing. This has worked pretty well for me, but I haven't trailed thousands of miles like some on this list have. -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, HKS 700E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142116#142116 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:41 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Help with level flight attitude for Mark II From: "cristalclear13" Hi guys. I am trying to do my weight and balance today for my Mark II. I don't have any information on what the level flight is. We leveled up the horizontal stabilizer. I've attached a picture. Any information (very soon) would be appreciated. Thanks, Cristal -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142161#142161 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/levelflightkolbmarkii_177.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:57 AM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help with level flight attitude for Mark II In a message dated 10/27/2007 11:36:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, cristalclearwaters@juno.com writes: http://forums.matronics.com//files/levelflightkolbmarkii_177.jpg it should be 9 degrees angle of wing cord on a kolb ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar II - Legal now From: "planecrazzzy" My inspection was also fairly cheap....$200 bucks it was in 2005 before the big rush.....??!! Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN / FSII-N381PM .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142162#142162 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/airworthinessinspection_052_197.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:09 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I really love Ivo Props, now From: "planecrazzzy" IVO's are simple.....never had a problem with 3 blade or 2 blade.... .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. FSII / 503 w/B box , 2 blade 66" IVO w/spacer blocks .. .. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142165#142165 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:40 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's From: "John Hauck" Roger H: Missed you at the Alvord and the Rock House!!! Your assumption was correct. The top and bottom 1/8 by 1/2" rivet loosens up from the load of the longest arm of the elevator. With enough time, the rivet will work its self right through the fabric. The gusset mearly adds a tremendous amount of strength to this area and prevents slop in the attachment. On 912's it is usually the left elevator that gets beat up first, and on two strokes the right elevator. ADDING GUSSETS TOP AND BOTTOM DO NOT WEAKEN THE RIB AND THE CONNECTION as someone may have mentioned earlier. john h Still having fun in Winnemucca, Nevada. -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142166#142166 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:25 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Help with level flight attitude for Mark II At 11:35 AM 10/27/2007, you wrote: > > >Hi guys. I am trying to do my weight and balance today for my Mark >II. I don't have any information on what the level flight is. We >leveled up the horizontal stabilizer. I've attached a picture. > >Any information (very soon) would be appreciated. > >Thanks, Here's an old drawing. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:22:39 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Finally If it were me, the government, the CAA, or big brother would have never known that I damaged my plane just so I would not have to jump through so many hoops to get it back into the air>> Hi Mike, there is a lot to be said for your position, but what would have been the situation regarding your insurance? I have received the full amount of the rebuilding costs and will receive the recertificatiion costs when I have rendered the complete figures. The insurers will also know that my plane has been rebuilt to an acceptable standard and will continue to cover it, and me. A few years ago mind I would have probably been flying without waiting for the last bits of paperwork etc to be tidied up but I reckon I am on borrowed time at this point anyway and I am not going to push my luck. Incidentally, since April we have moved somewhat closer to your system by starting a `single seat deregulated` category.. Not quite `build your own and fly it` but the parameters are these. single seat Max empty weight (no pilot or fuel) 115kgs Max wing loading (no pilot of fuel) 10kg/sq.metre Must have 11.5 sq metre wing area Max weight 300kg (330 off water) Must be insured 3rd party (about $5 a week for 750,000 cover). pilot must have a license Valid Noise Certificate. (Noise is a real problem in Europe generally Must keep usual airframe and engine log book Max stall speed at MTOW 35knots If you can do all that you do not need a Certificate of Airworthiness and you can alter, re engine or whatever takes your fancy. I wouldn`t dare make a judgement.as to which system is better, particularly after being rowelled for my `Un American comments` on a previous occasion. (A charge I strongly deny). We shall never get the freedom which you enjoy in the States but I don`t think that it is all roses in the States. Whatever our shortcomings we are certainly not facing the situation where a pilot would rather cut up a plane that sell it because of the legal ramifications which was discussed on this list a short while ago. But I would ceertainly vote for an injection of some of your more free and easy system into our rather overcontrolled way of doing things. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:57 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting John Codd, Sorry I dont have your home address. Mick told me when he was test flying my plane last week that you had found someone to install a noise reduction circuit in your existing headphones. Can you let me have details please. I am using Communica. Come back off list if you like Pat ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:00:54 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Finally From: "JetPilot" Pat, You are very right about our legal system being corrupt and out of control. What we have is a system of legal extortion where people can take money from others and companies without just cause. I say legal extortion, because many cases are settled out of court, not on values of justice, but to avoid wasting even more money in legal costs. Most people here do not even comprehend how limited we are here in the US because of this system. No diving boards in pools anymore, no going outside of the lines in parks, many products not available, the list is endless. In a civil suit, most of the smart, successful people know how to get out of jury duty, the plaintiffs lawyers then throw out any remaining jurors that appear smart, and try to keep the stupid ones that can be manipulated. THIS RESULTS IN US LAW BEING DECIDED BY GROUPS OF 6 OF THE STUPIDEST PEOPLE THAT CAN BE FOUND. The other bad result is a national policy of everything in the county being geared towards the dumbest, most incompetent people that can be found, rather than gearing things for average people. Man what a difference life was in places where lawsuits dont affect every aspect of daily life, and where everyone does not base every action in fear of being sued. That is freedom. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142195#142195 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:53 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting Pat I'm not John but I have been flying for better than 6 years with a noise canceling kit I added to my Sigtronics headset. I find it works quite well. It is http://www.headsetsinc.com/ Congratulations on getting your plane flying again. Remember keep a hand on the throttle when getting in or out of a running Kolb. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: pat ladd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting John Codd, Sorry I dont have your home address. Mick told me when he was test flying my plane last week that you had found someone to install a noise reduction circuit in your existing headphones. Can you let me have details please. I am using Communica. Come back off list if you like Pat ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:24 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's From: "JetPilot" I did not know you were doing cross country this late in the year, Where are you flying to John ? Is the colder weather giving you any problems ? Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142198#142198 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props From: "JetPilot" gaman(at)att.net wrote: > > Had a antenna fail and the prop caught the whip as it was leaving the scene.About a 3/16 dent in the leading edge of one blade under the metal taped section. IVO said remove tape,sand dent smooth; clean with acetone,fill with epoxy (JB Weld) after cured,sand with block reapply new tape.That was 3yrs,150 hrs ago. > IVO said I could send it in but that is how they would fix it as well.Could you not repair a Warp or Powerfin this way? > > First, my warp drive has nickel leading edges, so damage would have been far less, and it would have gotten me home. Second, with what these airplanes cost, I would much rather spend 200 bucks for a new blade than try to repair an old one, I would always wonder if it would fail in flight. A prop failure usually results in total disaster, so I would have not enjoyed the 3 years and 150 hours flying on a repaired prop. A new blade for the warp drive is around 200 bucks when all is said and done. If 200 dollars for a new blade is a reason to use a substandard prop, then you probably are to poor to fly safely. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142202#142202 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:31 PM PST US From: "John Codd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting Hi Pat, yes I've had an ANR kit fitted to both of my Lynx headsets now and the difference is incredible, the kolb is a noisy aircraft and for me radio work was difficult because of damaged hearing from working in heavy industry until my early retirement 4yrs ago, since having the kit fitted I can now hear my radio clearly and the background noise of the aircraft is reduced to a very acceptable low level, worth every penny spent, the company is called AD Commcepts in Stalybridge near Manchester, their phone number is 01613038000, and their web site address is www.adcommcepts.co.uk they also do their own headset fitted with ANR at a reasonable price, enjoy the Mk3 Extra. John. --- Original Message ----- From: pat ladd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting John Codd, Sorry I dont have your home address. Mick told me when he was test flying my plane last week that you had found someone to install a noise reduction circuit in your existing headphones. Can you let me have details please. I am using Communica. Come back off list if you like Pat ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:10 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Finally Whatever > our shortcomings we are certainly not facing the situation where a pilot > would rather cut up a plane that sell it because of the legal ramifications > which was discussed on this list a short while ago. > > Cheers > > Pat Patrick: I would think that your reference above is a very isolated incident. Yep, we have some paranoid weirdos here in the States that would go that far. I know of one that was on the Kolb List. Cut up the fabric on the wings and cut the N number out of the rudder before he would sell the airplane. Based on the amount of experimental and UL aircraft that change hands in the US, again, that would be a very isolated incident. john h hauck's holler remote, Winnemucca, Nevada ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:26 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's From: "John Hauck" Mike B: I am ground bound. Not flying, except loaners. john h -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142207#142207 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:07 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's John, How many hours did it take for this to be noticeable? Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN At 09:11 AM 10/27/07 -0700, you wrote: > >Roger H: > >Missed you at the Alvord and the Rock House!!! > >Your assumption was correct. The top and bottom 1/8 by 1/2" rivet loosens up from the load of the longest arm of the elevator. With enough time, the rivet will work its self right through the fabric. The gusset mearly adds a tremendous amount of strength to this area and prevents slop in the attachment. On 912's it is usually the left elevator that gets beat up first, and on two strokes the right elevator. > >ADDING GUSSETS TOP AND BOTTOM DO NOT WEAKEN THE RIB AND THE CONNECTION as someone may have mentioned earlier. > >john h >Still having fun in Winnemucca, Nevada. > >-------- >John Hauck >MKIII/912ULS >hauck's holler, alabama > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142166#142166 > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! From: "grantr" After a long search for a Kolb Mark III in my price range, I finally found one! Its a 1996 Kolb Mark III with a rotax 503. It also comes with a enclosed trailer! So now I will have the plane and Hangar. I plan to get it during the thanksgiving holiday. Its a 800 mile 12hr drive :? Long Drive, But a road trip might be fun! I have 50 hr private pilot training in a Cessna 150. The lat time i flew was in 1999. So now I am going to just get my SP license for now. I have met all of the requirements except taking the written and practical test. i just need some lessons to freshen up. Kolbs website has these specs under the MKIII classic but the specs say there for the MKIII X. Are these specs correct for the MKIII classic? Is there any difference in a 1996 and a newer one? ROTAX 582 Takeoff Distance 150 ft. solo, 200 ft. dual Rate of Climb 1,000 fpm solo, 800 fpm dual Cruise Speed: Is it 67 or 77 mph ? SPECIFICATIONS Wing Span 30 ft. Wing Area 160 sq. ft. Length 24 ft. (same folded) Height 76 in. (same folded) Width 82 in. (folded, 2-blade prop) Gross Weight 850 lbs. normal, 1000 lbs. max. Fuel Capacity 10 gal. Load Factor +4g, -2g (limit);+6g, -3g(ultimate) Stall Speed 38 mph (solo), 41 mph @ gross weight Vne 110 mph Here are some pics of it. (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962318) (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962330) (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962321) (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962343) (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962334) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142242#142242 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 09:06:08 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's > How many hours did it take for this to be noticeable? > > Jack B. Hart FF004 Jack H: I can not remember how many hours when the 1/8 X 1/2" rivets started loosening up. Probably 2, 3, or 4oo hours. Not sure. Would have to dig it out of my log book which back in Alabama. I drilled out and replaced the rivets a couple times before I finally came up with the idean to gusset them top and bottom. I also did the same on the rudder. Had the same problem with my original FS. Did not fly the US long enough to notice a problem. The MKIII may be more prone to stress on the elevator due to the heavier weight and higher speeds. john h mkIII Winnemucca, Nevada ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.