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1. 03:54 AM - Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! (planecrazzzy)
2. 03:54 AM - Re: Re: Finally (pat ladd)
3. 03:59 AM - Re: Space for radio mounting (pat ladd)
4. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: Finally (pat ladd)
5. 04:49 AM - Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! (Richard Pike)
6. 06:30 AM - Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! (Richard Girard)
7. 07:23 AM - How many? (Vic Gibson)
8. 07:55 AM - Elevator Modifications (Jack B. Hart)
9. 08:27 AM - Re: Space for radio mounting (Southern Reflections)
10. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (gary aman)
11. 12:02 PM - Re: Space for radio mounting (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
12. 12:04 PM - Re: Ivo Props (planecrazzzy)
13. 12:43 PM - Re: Space for radio mounting (Vic Gibson)
14. 04:37 PM - Re: Ivo Props (JetPilot)
15. 06:17 PM - Re: Ivo Props (planecrazzzy)
16. 08:05 PM - I Passed - Really! (possums)
17. 08:34 PM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
18. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (possums)
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| Subject: | Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! |
I thought "minimum engine" for a Mark III was a 582 ???
Nice plane,
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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Based on the amount of experimental and UL aircraft that change hands in the
US, again, that would be a very isolated incident.>>
Delighted to hear it John. From the posts that were generated about it I
gained the impression that it was a real problem. Glad to hear that nutcases
are equally distributed on both sides of the Atlantic.
It seems to me that the basic difference between our systems is in the
States the builder himself accepts total responsibilty for the plane he
builds. Here the Chief Engineer of the PFA is the guy who has to carry the
can in court if there is a lawsuit. This is because he has approved the
design in the first place and his organisation of inspectors (Usually unpaid
or expenses only) has checked the build quality throughout the construction.
It is very frustrating when a plane has operated in another country for
thousands of hours and doesn`t get approved here. For instance the MTOW for
the Extra is lower here than the States, and certainly a lot lower than the
sort of weight you pack onto yours. Heigh Ho!
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Space for radio mounting |
a noise canceling kit I added to my Sigtronics headset>>
Thank you Rick. I will file under `Useful Info`
Cheers
Pat
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The other bad result is a national policy of everything in the county being
geared towards the dumbest, most incompetent people that can be found,
rather than gearing things for average people.
Man what a difference life was in places where lawsuits dont affect every
aspect of daily life, and where everyone does not base every action in fear
of being sued. That is freedom.>>
Hi Mike,
We are in the same boat. We haven`t quite got to the point of sueing someone
because they are perceived as having `deep pockets` but we shall, Common
sense has gone out of the window.
We had a case the other day of two kids being sent home from the municipal
swimming pool because they were wearing long shorts because `a weak swimmer
could be dragged down`. Teachers won`t take kids for field trips in case
they are sued if there is an accident. Everyone loses.
What really annoys me is that it would only take one Judge to dismiss a case
as being frivolous and impose a heavy cost penalty for wasting the Courts
time and the whole edifice would collapse like a pack of cards. T`aint going
to happen because there is too much money pouring into the legal profession
as a result of these daft claims.
Afternoon TV is stuffed with adverts exhorting people to make a claim for
any accident which has happened. There is one incredible one of a guy who
was installing a bracket to carry an electric cable. The voice over says
that he was `issued with the wrong sort of ladder` which resulted in an
accident. Not a word about having enough sense to get someone to hold it,
refuse to go up it or even change the ladder.. Ye Gods!
Re the dumbing down. That bastard Blair was determined that everyone should
have a university education. Not `everyone who could qualify` you will note.
He built Universities then he had to lower the entry standards to get enough
people to fill them..
We get kids leaving school and the first thing employers have to do is
organise maths and English classes to teach them to read and write and add
up.
Don`t get me started. Sorry everybody
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! |
Years ago Kolb advertised the MKIII minimum engine size as a 503, I still
have the literature showing it. Eventually they dropped the 503 as minimum
engine because the MKIII with a 503 had the climb rate of a Cessna 150. If
you live in flat country you will do ok, but if it were mine, I would make I
had the lightest MKIII in the country. Several years ago I flew a MKIII with
a 503, and with myself and the builder aboard, it was ok, but it did not set
the world on fire and the 503 stayed pretty busy. If it were mine, when the
503 comes up for rebuild, upgrade to a 582.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
----- Original Message -----
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:19 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!!
>
> After a long search for a Kolb Mark III in my price range, I finally found
> one! Its a 1996 Kolb Mark III with a rotax 503. It also comes with a
> enclosed trailer! So now I will have the plane and Hangar.
>
> I plan to get it during the thanksgiving holiday. Its a 800 mile 12hr
> drive :? Long Drive, But a road trip might be fun!
>
> I have 50 hr private pilot training in a Cessna 150. The lat time i flew
> was in 1999. So now I am going to just get my SP license for now. I have
> met all of the requirements except taking the written and practical test.
> i just need some lessons to freshen up.
>
> Kolbs website has these specs under the MKIII classic but the specs say
> there for the MKIII X.
>
> Are these specs correct for the MKIII classic?
>
> Is there any difference in a 1996 and a newer one?
> ROTAX 582
> Takeoff Distance 150 ft. solo, 200 ft. dual
> Rate of Climb 1,000 fpm solo, 800 fpm dual
> Cruise Speed: Is it 67 or 77 mph ?
>
> SPECIFICATIONS
> Wing Span 30 ft.
> Wing Area 160 sq. ft.
> Length 24 ft. (same folded)
> Height 76 in. (same folded)
> Width 82 in. (folded, 2-blade prop)
> Gross Weight 850 lbs. normal, 1000 lbs. max.
> Fuel Capacity 10 gal.
> Load Factor +4g, -2g (limit);+6g, -3g(ultimate)
> Stall Speed 38 mph (solo), 41 mph @ gross weight
> Vne 110 mph
>
> Here are some pics of it.
> (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962318)
> (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962330)
> (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962321)
> (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962343)
> (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962334)
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142242#142242
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! |
Before you start worrying about having to change engines for more power, you
need to add aileron counter weights to avoid getting aileron flutter. The
parts are cheap from TNK and the installation is simple, just call and tell
Travis you need a set. Do this before you fly your new plane.
As for the numbers, the only one that leaps out is Vne of the Classic is 10
mph less than the Extra.
Rick
On 10/28/07, Richard Pike <richard@bcchapel.org> wrote:
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>
> Years ago Kolb advertised the MKIII minimum engine size as a 503, I still
> have the literature showing it. Eventually they dropped the 503 as minimum
> engine because the MKIII with a 503 had the climb rate of a Cessna 150. If
> you live in flat country you will do ok, but if it were mine, I would make
> I
> had the lightest MKIII in the country. Several years ago I flew a MKIII
> with
> a 503, and with myself and the builder aboard, it was ok, but it did not
> set
> the world on fire and the 503 stayed pretty busy. If it were mine, when
> the
> 503 comes up for rebuild, upgrade to a 582.
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:19 PM
> Subject: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!!
>
>
> >
> > After a long search for a Kolb Mark III in my price range, I finally
> found
> > one! Its a 1996 Kolb Mark III with a rotax 503. It also comes with a
> > enclosed trailer! So now I will have the plane and Hangar.
> >
> > I plan to get it during the thanksgiving holiday. Its a 800 mile 12hr
> > drive :? Long Drive, But a road trip might be fun!
> >
> > I have 50 hr private pilot training in a Cessna 150. The lat time i flew
> > was in 1999. So now I am going to just get my SP license for now. I have
> > met all of the requirements except taking the written and practical
> test.
> > i just need some lessons to freshen up.
> >
> > Kolbs website has these specs under the MKIII classic but the specs say
> > there for the MKIII X.
> >
> > Are these specs correct for the MKIII classic?
> >
> > Is there any difference in a 1996 and a newer one?
> > ROTAX 582
> > Takeoff Distance 150 ft. solo, 200 ft. dual
> > Rate of Climb 1,000 fpm solo, 800 fpm dual
> > Cruise Speed: Is it 67 or 77 mph ?
> >
> > SPECIFICATIONS
> > Wing Span 30 ft.
> > Wing Area 160 sq. ft.
> > Length 24 ft. (same folded)
> > Height 76 in. (same folded)
> > Width 82 in. (folded, 2-blade prop)
> > Gross Weight 850 lbs. normal, 1000 lbs. max.
> > Fuel Capacity 10 gal.
> > Load Factor +4g, -2g (limit);+6g, -3g(ultimate)
> > Stall Speed 38 mph (solo), 41 mph @ gross weight
> > Vne 110 mph
> >
> > Here are some pics of it.
> > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962318)
> > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962330)
> > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962321)
> > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962343)
> > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962334)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142242#142242
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Does anyone know how many Kolb Mark III Classics might be complete and fl
ying? Perhaps the factory might know, I will call them. Vic in Sacrame
nto
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| Subject: | Elevator Modifications |
At 11:05 PM 10/27/07 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
> > How many hours did it take for this to be noticeable?
>>
>> Jack B. Hart FF004
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>
>Jack H:
>
>I can not remember how many hours when the 1/8 X 1/2" rivets started loosening
up. Probably 2, 3, or 4oo hours. Not sure. Would have to dig it out of my
log book which back in Alabama.
>
John,
I checked out the FireFly, and I found no problems with the elevator at 235
hours.
I did not follow the plans for assembling the elevator. To save weight and
reduce drag, I cut the tube ends at an angle and then reshaped the ends by
placing a socket over the cut surface and hitting it with a hammer. This
let the modified surface fit very nicely to the elevator leading edge tube.
Due to the decreased thickness, I could use 1/4 inch long rivets to hold the
tubes in place. The nice thing about this approach is that there is no
spring or give in the connection as the rivet does not pass through two
surfaces of the tube that are separated by an air gap. The down side may be
that the rivet only passes through one rib tube thickness. But since the
both tubes are 0.035 inch thick, it is a toss up as to which will fail first.
But one would think that the head side of rivet tube would hold up the best,
and if the rivet is going to get loose it would be due to the stress at the
hole in the leading edge tube. It is going to be interesting to see what
happens as the FireFly accumulates more hours.
I changed the subject line to reflect the current topic.
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Space for radio mounting |
Do you know if any one in the U.S. make's them ? Joe N101HD
----- Original Message -----
From: pat ladd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting
a noise canceling kit I added to my Sigtronics headset>>
Thank you Rick. I will file under `Useful Info`
Cheers
Pat
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Yea your right,why use common sense when you can throw money at it.Works for the
government.
gaman(at)att.net wrote:
>
> Had a antenna fail and the prop caught the whip as it was leaving the scene.About
a 3/16 dent in the leading edge of one blade under the metal taped section.
IVO said remove tape,sand dent smooth; clean with acetone,fill with epoxy (JB
Weld) after cured,sand with block reapply new tape.That was 3yrs,150 hrs ago.
> IVO said I could send it in but that is how they would fix it as well.Could
you not repair a Warp or Powerfin this way?
>
>
First, my warp drive has nickel leading edges, so damage would have been far less,
and it would have gotten me home.
Second, with what these airplanes cost, I would much rather spend 200 bucks for
a new blade than try to repair an old one, I would always wonder if it would
fail in flight. A prop failure usually results in total disaster, so I would
have not enjoyed the 3 years and 150 hours flying on a repaired prop.
A new blade for the warp drive is around 200 bucks when all is said and done.
If 200 dollars for a new blade is a reason to use a substandard prop, then you
probably are to poor to fly safely.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Space for radio mounting |
John & Pat
The kit John gave the link to shows a kit that looks just like the kit I
got from Headsets Inc. It may be the same kit.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: John Codd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting
Hi Pat, yes I've had an ANR kit fitted to both of my Lynx headsets now
and the difference is incredible, the kolb is a noisy aircraft and for
me radio work was difficult because of damaged hearing from working in
heavy industry until my early retirement 4yrs ago, since having the kit
fitted I can now hear my radio clearly and the background noise of the
aircraft is reduced to a very acceptable low level, worth every penny
spent, the company is called AD Commcepts in Stalybridge near
Manchester, their phone number is 01613038000, and their web site
address is www.adcommcepts.co.uk they also do their own headset fitted
with ANR at a reasonable price, enjoy the Mk3 Extra.
John.
--- Original Message -----
From: pat ladd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting
John Codd,
Sorry I dont have your home address.
Mick told me when he was test flying my plane last week that you had
found someone to install a noise reduction circuit in your existing
headphones.
Can you let me have details please. I am using Communica.
Come back off list if you like
Pat
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I've fixed chips/nicks in IVO's ...two different ways....
One way was ...Superglue & Baking Soda.....
Another way was , I cut some fiberglass matting.....Chopped it up...
Mixed it with the Fiberglass resin & Hardener....
Both process were sanded smooth after hardened....
Never had a problem with any repairs....
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Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Space for radio mounting |
My Kolb Classic has a hand held radio. I can hear good and can transmit
good when at low rpms. When in flight, the engine seems to garble my tra
nsitting. Would resistor plugs or wires or both help?
-----Original Message-----
From: Richard & Martha Neilsen
Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting
John & Pat
The kit John gave the link to shows a kit that looks just like the kit I
got from Headsets Inc. It may be the same kit.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: John Codd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting
Hi Pat, yes I've had an ANR kit fitted to both of my Lynx headsets now
and the difference is incredible, the kolb is a noisy aircraft and for me
radio work was difficult because of damaged hearing from working in heav
y industry until my early retirement 4yrs ago, since having the kit fitte
d I can now hear my radio clearly and the background noise of the aircraf
t is reduced to a very acceptable low level, worth every penny spent, the
company is called AD Commcepts in Stalybridge near Manchester, their ph
one number is 01613038000, and their web site address is www.adcommcepts.
co.uk they also do their own headset fitted with ANR at a reasonable pri
ce, enjoy the Mk3 Extra.
John.
--- Original Message -----
From: pat ladd
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:30 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting
John Codd,
Sorry I dont have your home address.
Mick told me when he was test flying my plane last week that you had
found someone to install a noise reduction circuit in your existing headp
hones.
Can you let me have details please. I am using Communica.
Come back off list if you like
Pat
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic
s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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gaman(at)att.net wrote:
>
>
> Had a antenna fail and the prop caught the whip as it was leaving the scene.About
a 3/16 dent in the leading edge of one blade under the metal taped section.
IVO said remove tape,sand dent smooth; clean with acetone,fill with epoxy (JB
Weld) after cured,sand with block reapply new tape.That was 3yrs,150 hrs ago.
>
Its not a matter of repairing your prop or not, its a matter of the prop not comming
apart in flight when something bigger hits it ( Like a Muffler ). Your
reasoning of using an IVO because it is repairable and might save you a couple
hundred dollars is very poor judgement.
Just a couple months ago, a kolb went down when the oil cap hit the prop and the
resulting prop damage caused the pilot to land, and flip the plane. Had that
been a warp drive, it would have not been an emergency, no off airport landing,
and a much better and cheaper outcome.
There is just as much a chance that something bigger could depart the plane and
the warp would stay together where the IVO comes apart.
Its a safety issue, not " throwing money at it ".
Mike
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If your muffler goes thru your prop.....???
Oh , that's good...
We must be talking about "Blind" no preflighting, Pilots now....
I was only talking about how I fixed a few nicks....
Had NOTHING to do with why I bought the prop....
What'a maroon...
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| Subject: | I Passed - Really! |
The "Possum Mobile" is legal.
Unfortunately, I'm not.
So, I guess I gotta go thru the system myself.
Does anybody know what the required hours of
dual flying time with an instructor is .....if you have a log
book "2,000+ hours" on your formally Illegal/fat ultralight?
I don't mind taking the written test.
Figure I might learn something.
I imagine that the fines for flying a registered
aircraft without a license is worse that the $600 fine
I've paid for screwing around with the FAA and
landing in the lake (without floats). I can land there now
without ever coming close to any water.
BTW: The corps of engineers don't have a sense of humor.
Anyway - won't be a problem after a couple more months
when they have finished emptying the water out of the lakes here
to save the "purple mussels" in Florida. That's when I figure the
water will stop - and the friggin mussels will die - and that will
be the end of the story.
Gotta love the way Government thinks.
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In a message dated 10/28/2007 6:37:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
orcabonita@hotmail.com writes:
Just a couple months ago, a kolb went down when the oil cap hit the prop and
the resulting prop damage caused the pilot to land, and flip the plane. Had
that been a warp drive, it would have not been an emergency, no off airport
landing, and a much better and cheaper outcome.
Hold on a min the 1st mistake was the pilot was to blame when he didn't
tighten or check the oil cap on preflight
2nd the pilots poor judgment with an emergency landing is what caused the
plane to flip no matter what Prop he had the results would have been the same
the way I see it anyhow
Delete button ready for your response
Ellery in Maine
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At 11:33 PM 10/28/2007, you wrote:
>In a message dated 10/28/2007 6:37:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>orcabonita@hotmail.com writes:
>Just a couple months ago, a kolb went down when the oil cap hit the
>prop and the resulting prop damage caused the pilot to land, and
>flip the plane. Had that been a warp drive, it would have not been
>an emergency, no off airport landing, and a much better and cheaper outcome.
>
>Hold on a min the 1st mistake was the pilot was to blame when he
>didn't tighten or check the oil cap on preflight
> 2nd the pilots poor judgment with an emergency landing is what
> caused the plane to flip no matter what Prop he had the results
> would have been the same
>the way I see it anyhow
I don't know how many of you guys have really had stuff fall off and
come thru your prop.
I fly a Warp Drive and little things, like muffler springs, don't
seem to matter - later on you
land and there is a nick in your prop, so what. Any body that has had
a "big chunk" knocked out
of their prop knows that they are about to have the ride of their life!
Shake&Bake ,... doesn't even begin to describe what happens at
"normal throttle" settings
when you lose a chunk of even "one" blade. I've seen cages cracked
after just seconds of full power
settings with a damaged prop. I've listened to my friends tell me
that they could not even reach
the kill switch because things were shaking so bad.
I'll be honest - I think a loose oil cap could put you down on take
off with full power
even with a Warp.
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