---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/28/07: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:54 AM - Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! (planecrazzzy) 2. 03:54 AM - Re: Re: Finally (pat ladd) 3. 03:59 AM - Re: Space for radio mounting (pat ladd) 4. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: Finally (pat ladd) 5. 04:49 AM - Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! (Richard Pike) 6. 06:30 AM - Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! (Richard Girard) 7. 07:23 AM - How many? (Vic Gibson) 8. 07:55 AM - Elevator Modifications (Jack B. Hart) 9. 08:27 AM - Re: Space for radio mounting (Southern Reflections) 10. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (gary aman) 11. 12:02 PM - Re: Space for radio mounting (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 12. 12:04 PM - Re: Ivo Props (planecrazzzy) 13. 12:43 PM - Re: Space for radio mounting (Vic Gibson) 14. 04:37 PM - Re: Ivo Props (JetPilot) 15. 06:17 PM - Re: Ivo Props (planecrazzzy) 16. 08:05 PM - I Passed - Really! (possums) 17. 08:34 PM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 18. 09:03 PM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! From: "planecrazzzy" I thought "minimum engine" for a Mark III was a 582 ??? Nice plane, .. .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142294#142294 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:52 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Finally Based on the amount of experimental and UL aircraft that change hands in the US, again, that would be a very isolated incident.>> Delighted to hear it John. From the posts that were generated about it I gained the impression that it was a real problem. Glad to hear that nutcases are equally distributed on both sides of the Atlantic. It seems to me that the basic difference between our systems is in the States the builder himself accepts total responsibilty for the plane he builds. Here the Chief Engineer of the PFA is the guy who has to carry the can in court if there is a lawsuit. This is because he has approved the design in the first place and his organisation of inspectors (Usually unpaid or expenses only) has checked the build quality throughout the construction. It is very frustrating when a plane has operated in another country for thousands of hours and doesn`t get approved here. For instance the MTOW for the Extra is lower here than the States, and certainly a lot lower than the sort of weight you pack onto yours. Heigh Ho! Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:30 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting a noise canceling kit I added to my Sigtronics headset>> Thank you Rick. I will file under `Useful Info` Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:39 AM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Finally The other bad result is a national policy of everything in the county being geared towards the dumbest, most incompetent people that can be found, rather than gearing things for average people. Man what a difference life was in places where lawsuits dont affect every aspect of daily life, and where everyone does not base every action in fear of being sued. That is freedom.>> Hi Mike, We are in the same boat. We haven`t quite got to the point of sueing someone because they are perceived as having `deep pockets` but we shall, Common sense has gone out of the window. We had a case the other day of two kids being sent home from the municipal swimming pool because they were wearing long shorts because `a weak swimmer could be dragged down`. Teachers won`t take kids for field trips in case they are sued if there is an accident. Everyone loses. What really annoys me is that it would only take one Judge to dismiss a case as being frivolous and impose a heavy cost penalty for wasting the Courts time and the whole edifice would collapse like a pack of cards. T`aint going to happen because there is too much money pouring into the legal profession as a result of these daft claims. Afternoon TV is stuffed with adverts exhorting people to make a claim for any accident which has happened. There is one incredible one of a guy who was installing a bracket to carry an electric cable. The voice over says that he was `issued with the wrong sort of ladder` which resulted in an accident. Not a word about having enough sense to get someone to hold it, refuse to go up it or even change the ladder.. Ye Gods! Re the dumbing down. That bastard Blair was determined that everyone should have a university education. Not `everyone who could qualify` you will note. He built Universities then he had to lower the entry standards to get enough people to fill them.. We get kids leaving school and the first thing employers have to do is organise maths and English classes to teach them to read and write and add up. Don`t get me started. Sorry everybody Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:44 AM PST US From: "Richard Pike" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! Years ago Kolb advertised the MKIII minimum engine size as a 503, I still have the literature showing it. Eventually they dropped the 503 as minimum engine because the MKIII with a 503 had the climb rate of a Cessna 150. If you live in flat country you will do ok, but if it were mine, I would make I had the lightest MKIII in the country. Several years ago I flew a MKIII with a 503, and with myself and the builder aboard, it was ok, but it did not set the world on fire and the 503 stayed pretty busy. If it were mine, when the 503 comes up for rebuild, upgrade to a 582. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "grantr" Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! > > After a long search for a Kolb Mark III in my price range, I finally found > one! Its a 1996 Kolb Mark III with a rotax 503. It also comes with a > enclosed trailer! So now I will have the plane and Hangar. > > I plan to get it during the thanksgiving holiday. Its a 800 mile 12hr > drive :? Long Drive, But a road trip might be fun! > > I have 50 hr private pilot training in a Cessna 150. The lat time i flew > was in 1999. So now I am going to just get my SP license for now. I have > met all of the requirements except taking the written and practical test. > i just need some lessons to freshen up. > > Kolbs website has these specs under the MKIII classic but the specs say > there for the MKIII X. > > Are these specs correct for the MKIII classic? > > Is there any difference in a 1996 and a newer one? > ROTAX 582 > Takeoff Distance 150 ft. solo, 200 ft. dual > Rate of Climb 1,000 fpm solo, 800 fpm dual > Cruise Speed: Is it 67 or 77 mph ? > > SPECIFICATIONS > Wing Span 30 ft. > Wing Area 160 sq. ft. > Length 24 ft. (same folded) > Height 76 in. (same folded) > Width 82 in. (folded, 2-blade prop) > Gross Weight 850 lbs. normal, 1000 lbs. max. > Fuel Capacity 10 gal. > Load Factor +4g, -2g (limit);+6g, -3g(ultimate) > Stall Speed 38 mph (solo), 41 mph @ gross weight > Vne 110 mph > > Here are some pics of it. > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962318) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962330) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962321) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962343) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962334) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142242#142242 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:12 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! Before you start worrying about having to change engines for more power, you need to add aileron counter weights to avoid getting aileron flutter. The parts are cheap from TNK and the installation is simple, just call and tell Travis you need a set. Do this before you fly your new plane. As for the numbers, the only one that leaps out is Vne of the Classic is 10 mph less than the Extra. Rick On 10/28/07, Richard Pike wrote: > > > Years ago Kolb advertised the MKIII minimum engine size as a 503, I still > have the literature showing it. Eventually they dropped the 503 as minimum > engine because the MKIII with a 503 had the climb rate of a Cessna 150. If > you live in flat country you will do ok, but if it were mine, I would make > I > had the lightest MKIII in the country. Several years ago I flew a MKIII > with > a 503, and with myself and the builder aboard, it was ok, but it did not > set > the world on fire and the 503 stayed pretty busy. If it were mine, when > the > 503 comes up for rebuild, upgrade to a 582. > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "grantr" > To: > Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:19 PM > Subject: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! > > > > > > After a long search for a Kolb Mark III in my price range, I finally > found > > one! Its a 1996 Kolb Mark III with a rotax 503. It also comes with a > > enclosed trailer! So now I will have the plane and Hangar. > > > > I plan to get it during the thanksgiving holiday. Its a 800 mile 12hr > > drive :? Long Drive, But a road trip might be fun! > > > > I have 50 hr private pilot training in a Cessna 150. The lat time i flew > > was in 1999. So now I am going to just get my SP license for now. I have > > met all of the requirements except taking the written and practical > test. > > i just need some lessons to freshen up. > > > > Kolbs website has these specs under the MKIII classic but the specs say > > there for the MKIII X. > > > > Are these specs correct for the MKIII classic? > > > > Is there any difference in a 1996 and a newer one? > > ROTAX 582 > > Takeoff Distance 150 ft. solo, 200 ft. dual > > Rate of Climb 1,000 fpm solo, 800 fpm dual > > Cruise Speed: Is it 67 or 77 mph ? > > > > SPECIFICATIONS > > Wing Span 30 ft. > > Wing Area 160 sq. ft. > > Length 24 ft. (same folded) > > Height 76 in. (same folded) > > Width 82 in. (folded, 2-blade prop) > > Gross Weight 850 lbs. normal, 1000 lbs. max. > > Fuel Capacity 10 gal. > > Load Factor +4g, -2g (limit);+6g, -3g(ultimate) > > Stall Speed 38 mph (solo), 41 mph @ gross weight > > Vne 110 mph > > > > Here are some pics of it. > > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962318) > > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962330) > > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962321) > > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962343) > > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962334) > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142242#142242 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:12 AM PST US From: "Vic Gibson" Subject: Kolb-List: How many? Does anyone know how many Kolb Mark III Classics might be complete and fl ying? Perhaps the factory might know, I will call them. Vic in Sacrame nto ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:54 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Elevator Modifications At 11:05 PM 10/27/07 -0500, you wrote: > > > > How many hours did it take for this to be noticeable? >> >> Jack B. Hart FF004 > > >Jack H: > >I can not remember how many hours when the 1/8 X 1/2" rivets started loosening up. Probably 2, 3, or 4oo hours. Not sure. Would have to dig it out of my log book which back in Alabama. > John, I checked out the FireFly, and I found no problems with the elevator at 235 hours. I did not follow the plans for assembling the elevator. To save weight and reduce drag, I cut the tube ends at an angle and then reshaped the ends by placing a socket over the cut surface and hitting it with a hammer. This let the modified surface fit very nicely to the elevator leading edge tube. Due to the decreased thickness, I could use 1/4 inch long rivets to hold the tubes in place. The nice thing about this approach is that there is no spring or give in the connection as the rivet does not pass through two surfaces of the tube that are separated by an air gap. The down side may be that the rivet only passes through one rib tube thickness. But since the both tubes are 0.035 inch thick, it is a toss up as to which will fail first. But one would think that the head side of rivet tube would hold up the best, and if the rivet is going to get loose it would be due to the stress at the hole in the leading edge tube. It is going to be interesting to see what happens as the FireFly accumulates more hours. I changed the subject line to reflect the current topic. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN >\ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:33 AM PST US From: "Southern Reflections" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting Do you know if any one in the U.S. make's them ? Joe N101HD ----- Original Message ----- From: pat ladd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 6:59 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting a noise canceling kit I added to my Sigtronics headset>> Thank you Rick. I will file under `Useful Info` Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:30 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props Yea your right,why use common sense when you can throw money at it.Works for the government. gaman(at)att.net wrote: > > Had a antenna fail and the prop caught the whip as it was leaving the scene.About a 3/16 dent in the leading edge of one blade under the metal taped section. IVO said remove tape,sand dent smooth; clean with acetone,fill with epoxy (JB Weld) after cured,sand with block reapply new tape.That was 3yrs,150 hrs ago. > IVO said I could send it in but that is how they would fix it as well.Could you not repair a Warp or Powerfin this way? > > First, my warp drive has nickel leading edges, so damage would have been far less, and it would have gotten me home. Second, with what these airplanes cost, I would much rather spend 200 bucks for a new blade than try to repair an old one, I would always wonder if it would fail in flight. A prop failure usually results in total disaster, so I would have not enjoyed the 3 years and 150 hours flying on a repaired prop. A new blade for the warp drive is around 200 bucks when all is said and done. If 200 dollars for a new blade is a reason to use a substandard prop, then you probably are to poor to fly safely. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142202#142202 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:33 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting John & Pat The kit John gave the link to shows a kit that looks just like the kit I got from Headsets Inc. It may be the same kit. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: John Codd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting Hi Pat, yes I've had an ANR kit fitted to both of my Lynx headsets now and the difference is incredible, the kolb is a noisy aircraft and for me radio work was difficult because of damaged hearing from working in heavy industry until my early retirement 4yrs ago, since having the kit fitted I can now hear my radio clearly and the background noise of the aircraft is reduced to a very acceptable low level, worth every penny spent, the company is called AD Commcepts in Stalybridge near Manchester, their phone number is 01613038000, and their web site address is www.adcommcepts.co.uk they also do their own headset fitted with ANR at a reasonable price, enjoy the Mk3 Extra. John. --- Original Message ----- From: pat ladd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting John Codd, Sorry I dont have your home address. Mick told me when he was test flying my plane last week that you had found someone to install a noise reduction circuit in your existing headphones. Can you let me have details please. I am using Communica. Come back off list if you like Pat href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:24 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props From: "planecrazzzy" I've fixed chips/nicks in IVO's ...two different ways.... One way was ...Superglue & Baking Soda..... Another way was , I cut some fiberglass matting.....Chopped it up... Mixed it with the Fiberglass resin & Hardener.... Both process were sanded smooth after hardened.... Never had a problem with any repairs.... .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142344#142344 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:43:03 PM PST US From: "Vic Gibson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting My Kolb Classic has a hand held radio. I can hear good and can transmit good when at low rpms. When in flight, the engine seems to garble my tra nsitting. Would resistor plugs or wires or both help? -----Original Message----- From: Richard & Martha Neilsen Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:58 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting John & Pat The kit John gave the link to shows a kit that looks just like the kit I got from Headsets Inc. It may be the same kit. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: John Codd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting Hi Pat, yes I've had an ANR kit fitted to both of my Lynx headsets now and the difference is incredible, the kolb is a noisy aircraft and for me radio work was difficult because of damaged hearing from working in heav y industry until my early retirement 4yrs ago, since having the kit fitte d I can now hear my radio clearly and the background noise of the aircraf t is reduced to a very acceptable low level, worth every penny spent, the company is called AD Commcepts in Stalybridge near Manchester, their ph one number is 01613038000, and their web site address is www.adcommcepts. co.uk they also do their own headset fitted with ANR at a reasonable pri ce, enjoy the Mk3 Extra. John. --- Original Message ----- From: pat ladd To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 8:30 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting John Codd, Sorry I dont have your home address. Mick told me when he was test flying my plane last week that you had found someone to install a noise reduction circuit in your existing headp hones. Can you let me have details please. I am using Communica. Come back off list if you like Pat href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:11 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props From: "JetPilot" gaman(at)att.net wrote: > > > Had a antenna fail and the prop caught the whip as it was leaving the scene.About a 3/16 dent in the leading edge of one blade under the metal taped section. IVO said remove tape,sand dent smooth; clean with acetone,fill with epoxy (JB Weld) after cured,sand with block reapply new tape.That was 3yrs,150 hrs ago. > Its not a matter of repairing your prop or not, its a matter of the prop not comming apart in flight when something bigger hits it ( Like a Muffler ). Your reasoning of using an IVO because it is repairable and might save you a couple hundred dollars is very poor judgement. Just a couple months ago, a kolb went down when the oil cap hit the prop and the resulting prop damage caused the pilot to land, and flip the plane. Had that been a warp drive, it would have not been an emergency, no off airport landing, and a much better and cheaper outcome. There is just as much a chance that something bigger could depart the plane and the warp would stay together where the IVO comes apart. Its a safety issue, not " throwing money at it ". Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142374#142374 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:13 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props From: "planecrazzzy" If your muffler goes thru your prop.....??? Oh , that's good... We must be talking about "Blind" no preflighting, Pilots now.... I was only talking about how I fixed a few nicks.... Had NOTHING to do with why I bought the prop.... What'a maroon... .. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142391#142391 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:47 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Kolb-List: I Passed - Really! The "Possum Mobile" is legal. Unfortunately, I'm not. So, I guess I gotta go thru the system myself. Does anybody know what the required hours of dual flying time with an instructor is .....if you have a log book "2,000+ hours" on your formally Illegal/fat ultralight? I don't mind taking the written test. Figure I might learn something. I imagine that the fines for flying a registered aircraft without a license is worse that the $600 fine I've paid for screwing around with the FAA and landing in the lake (without floats). I can land there now without ever coming close to any water. BTW: The corps of engineers don't have a sense of humor. Anyway - won't be a problem after a couple more months when they have finished emptying the water out of the lakes here to save the "purple mussels" in Florida. That's when I figure the water will stop - and the friggin mussels will die - and that will be the end of the story. Gotta love the way Government thinks. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:18 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props In a message dated 10/28/2007 6:37:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, orcabonita@hotmail.com writes: Just a couple months ago, a kolb went down when the oil cap hit the prop and the resulting prop damage caused the pilot to land, and flip the plane. Had that been a warp drive, it would have not been an emergency, no off airport landing, and a much better and cheaper outcome. Hold on a min the 1st mistake was the pilot was to blame when he didn't tighten or check the oil cap on preflight 2nd the pilots poor judgment with an emergency landing is what caused the plane to flip no matter what Prop he had the results would have been the same the way I see it anyhow Delete button ready for your response Ellery in Maine do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:52 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props At 11:33 PM 10/28/2007, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/28/2007 6:37:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, >orcabonita@hotmail.com writes: >Just a couple months ago, a kolb went down when the oil cap hit the >prop and the resulting prop damage caused the pilot to land, and >flip the plane. Had that been a warp drive, it would have not been >an emergency, no off airport landing, and a much better and cheaper outcome. > >Hold on a min the 1st mistake was the pilot was to blame when he >didn't tighten or check the oil cap on preflight > 2nd the pilots poor judgment with an emergency landing is what > caused the plane to flip no matter what Prop he had the results > would have been the same >the way I see it anyhow I don't know how many of you guys have really had stuff fall off and come thru your prop. I fly a Warp Drive and little things, like muffler springs, don't seem to matter - later on you land and there is a nick in your prop, so what. Any body that has had a "big chunk" knocked out of their prop knows that they are about to have the ride of their life! Shake&Bake ,... doesn't even begin to describe what happens at "normal throttle" settings when you lose a chunk of even "one" blade. I've seen cages cracked after just seconds of full power settings with a damaged prop. I've listened to my friends tell me that they could not even reach the kill switch because things were shaking so bad. I'll be honest - I think a loose oil cap could put you down on take off with full power even with a Warp. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.