---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/29/07: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:43 AM - Re: Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! (Tony Oldman) 2. 01:20 AM - Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! (Tony Oldman) 3. 04:51 AM - 503 (tc1917) 4. 05:39 AM - Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! (Jim Kmet) 5. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (robert bean) 6. 08:30 AM - Re: flying VG's (jb92563) 7. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (Vic Gibson) 8. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (Vic Gibson) 9. 09:28 AM - Re: Re: flying VG's (Larry Cottrell) 10. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (Richard Girard) 11. 09:49 AM - Coolant Temperature Control (Jack B. Hart) 12. 10:06 AM - :: Help Needed regarding Kolb Mark III Extra :: (Faisal Asif) 13. 11:02 AM - Re: Re: flying VG's (Jeremy Casey) 14. 12:45 PM - Re: :: Help Needed regarding Kolb Mark III Extra :: (Richard Girard) 15. 12:48 PM - Re: :: Help Needed regarding Kolb Mark III Extra :: (Richard Girard) 16. 01:00 PM - Re: flying VG's (John Hauck) 17. 01:01 PM - Re: Light Sport N477DB (faisalasif) 18. 01:02 PM - Re: Space for radio mounting (pat ladd) 19. 01:24 PM - Re: Re: flying VG's (Mike Welch) 20. 01:27 PM - Re: flying VG's (jb92563) 21. 01:42 PM - Re: Coolant Temperature Control () 22. 01:51 PM - Re: Re: flying VG's () 23. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: flying VG's (Denny Rowe) 24. 03:21 PM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (Larry Bourne) 25. 03:23 PM - Re: Coolant Temperature Control (Larry Bourne) 26. 03:32 PM - Re: Re: Light Sport N477DB (Richard Girard) 27. 04:05 PM - Re: Re: Ivo Props (gary aman) 28. 05:39 PM - Re: Re: flying VG's (Jeremy Casey) 29. 05:41 PM - Rebuilding a MK-3 (Jim Kmet) 30. 07:04 PM - Re: I Passed - Really! (Malcolmbru@aol.com) 31. 07:24 PM - Re: Re: Finally (Russ Kinne) 32. 07:27 PM - Re: Coolant Temperature Control (Steven Green) 33. 07:34 PM - Re: Light Sport N477DB (JetPilot) 34. 07:52 PM - Re: Coolant Temperature Control (Jack B. Hart) 35. 08:03 PM - Re: I Passed - Really! (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 36. 08:11 PM - Re: Coolant Temperature Control (Steven Green) 37. 08:17 PM - Re: Re: flying VG's (Eugene Zimmerman) 38. 09:00 PM - Re: Coolant Temperature Control (Vic Gibson) 39. 09:53 PM - :: Kolb aircrafts that have N-number registrations :: (faisalasif) 40. 10:00 PM - Re: Light Sport N477DB (Dave Bigelow) 41. 10:00 PM - Re: Light Sport N477DB (Dave Bigelow) 42. 10:30 PM - Re: Light Sport N477DB (faisalasif) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:43:23 AM PST US From: "Tony Oldman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! I have been flying a MK111 classic for about 8years with a 503. Works very well. Tony Down Under ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 11:54 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! > > I thought "minimum engine" for a Mark III was a 582 ??? > > Nice plane, > . > . > . > Gotta Fly... > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > . > . > . > . > . > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142294#142294 > > > -- > 28/10/2007 1:58 p.m. > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:20:16 AM PST US From: "Tony Oldman" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! Have never experienced elevator flutter with my MK111 503. The engine in it at the moment has 350 hours and is run at about 6100 rpm most of the time giving a cruise of 72 mph indicated.I agree with the flat country thing and probably the fact that I operate at sea level helps. One thing I do know is that it will out perform a RANS 12 with the same load under the same conditions with the same engine . I also do some mountain flying and the 503 performs very well. I have never taken it above 6500 ASL.Our local mountains run right to sea level and up past 12365 ft I run a 3 bladed wooden prop and the MK111 performs very well even with 200 Kgs of flesh filling both seats . I would say even at that weight it out performs a 152 or a piper tomahawk . I would agree that a 503 is minimum ,anything more would be fun and a saving on fuel. Head winds reduce speed really fast and fuel burn can be as much as 23 ltrs per hr { just about 6 US gal} but can also reduce to 17 ltrs per hour in ideal lightly loaded conditions. Have fun fly it a lot ,you will not be disappointed. remember it is easy to operate any machine that has plenty of power ,it takes expertise to work with minimum power but it will make you a safer and much better pilot. My Kolb is 445 pds empty Mx take off 1050 pbs ,VNE 100mph, best climb/glide 55 mph. If really loaded add 5 mph to approach speed as you will wash plenty of speed off during the flare and you may find that you are running short of elevator authority at lower speeds. It is a very usable fun plane with a 503 . The speeds I quote are what I consider "safe" it will climb well at 45 mph or aproach at that speed 1 up but you had better be on the ball if that engine so much as hic ups. I would only ever use the slower speeds if needed to come in very short.{ really good disc brakes} Tony Down Under ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:29 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! Before you start worrying about having to change engines for more power, you need to add aileron counter weights to avoid getting aileron flutter. The parts are cheap from TNK and the installation is simple, just call and tell Travis you need a set. Do this before you fly your new plane. As for the numbers, the only one that leaps out is Vne of the Classic is 10 mph less than the Extra. Rick On 10/28/07, Richard Pike < richard@bcchapel.org> wrote: richard@bcchapel.org> Years ago Kolb advertised the MKIII minimum engine size as a 503, I still have the literature showing it. Eventually they dropped the 503 as minimum engine because the MKIII with a 503 had the climb rate of a Cessna 150. If you live in flat country you will do ok, but if it were mine, I would make I had the lightest MKIII in the country. Several years ago I flew a MKIII with a 503, and with myself and the builder aboard, it was ok, but it did not set the world on fire and the 503 stayed pretty busy. If it were mine, when the 503 comes up for rebuild, upgrade to a 582. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "grantr" To: < kolb-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! grant_richardson25@yahoo.com> > > After a long search for a Kolb Mark III in my price range, I finally found > one! Its a 1996 Kolb Mark III with a rotax 503. It also comes with a > enclosed trailer! So now I will have the plane and Hangar. > > I plan to get it during the thanksgiving holiday. Its a 800 mile 12hr > drive :? Long Drive, But a road trip might be fun! > > I have 50 hr private pilot training in a Cessna 150. The lat time i flew > was in 1999. So now I am going to just get my SP license for now. I have > met all of the requirements except taking the written and practical test. > i just need some lessons to freshen up. > > Kolbs website has these specs under the MKIII classic but the specs say > there for the MKIII X. > > Are these specs correct for the MKIII classic? > > Is there any difference in a 1996 and a newer one? > ROTAX 582 > Takeoff Distance 150 ft. solo, 200 ft. dual > Rate of Climb 1,000 fpm solo, 800 fpm dual > Cruise Speed: Is it 67 or 77 mph ? > > SPECIFICATIONS > Wing Span 30 ft. > Wing Area 160 sq. ft. > Length 24 ft. (same folded) > Height 76 in. (same folded) > Width 82 in. (folded, 2-blade prop) > Gross Weight 850 lbs. normal, 1000 lbs. max. > Fuel Capacity 10 gal. > Load Factor +4g, -2g (limit);+6g, -3g(ultimate) > Stall Speed 38 mph (solo), 41 mph @ gross weight > Vne 110 mph > > Here are some pics of it. > ( http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962318) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962330) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962321 ) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962343) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962334 ) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142242#142242 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 28/10/2007 1:58 p.m. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:12 AM PST US From: "tc1917" Subject: Kolb-List: 503 would like to mention that I have the perfect solution to Grantr's possible engine power problem. I just took the 582 off my slingshot and have it for sale. great little power plant, blue head, everything connected in one neat package, radiator, volt reg., pulse pump, oil injector,etc. can be crated and shipped anywhere. comes with either a warp three blade with about ten hours or an older ivo ground adjust. price is commensorate with the prop. will wheel and deal but you wont get better for the money than from me. about 185 hours on it and runs great. Just ask anyone from the Kolb Homecoming 07. four mounting bolts, some wires and gas line, that is all you gotta hook up. sell your 503 for about half what I want and you got a good solid engine to fly with. just thought I would mention it. ted cowan, alabama, 334-480-0822. call or email for pics. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:14 AM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! Ditto on the MK3C that I built & flew in 1996, try the engine/plane combo that you spent hard earned money on the way it is 1st.THEN if you don`t like something, change it. The Aileron counterbalances are cheap insurance though. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Oldman To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:19 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! Have never experienced elevator flutter with my MK111 503. The engine in it at the moment has 350 hours and is run at about 6100 rpm most of the time giving a cruise of 72 mph indicated.I agree with the flat country thing and probably the fact that I operate at sea level helps. One thing I do know is that it will out perform a RANS 12 with the same load under the same conditions with the same engine . I also do some mountain flying and the 503 performs very well. I have never taken it above 6500 ASL.Our local mountains run right to sea level and up past 12365 ft I run a 3 bladed wooden prop and the MK111 performs very well even with 200 Kgs of flesh filling both seats . I would say even at that weight it out performs a 152 or a piper tomahawk . I would agree that a 503 is minimum ,anything more would be fun and a saving on fuel. Head winds reduce speed really fast and fuel burn can be as much as 23 ltrs per hr { just about 6 US gal} but can also reduce to 17 ltrs per hour in ideal lightly loaded conditions. Have fun fly it a lot ,you will not be disappointed. remember it is easy to operate any machine that has plenty of power ,it takes expertise to work with minimum power but it will make you a safer and much better pilot. My Kolb is 445 pds empty Mx take off 1050 pbs ,VNE 100mph, best climb/glide 55 mph. If really loaded add 5 mph to approach speed as you will wash plenty of speed off during the flare and you may find that you are running short of elevator authority at lower speeds. It is a very usable fun plane with a 503 . The speeds I quote are what I consider "safe" it will climb well at 45 mph or aproach at that speed 1 up but you had better be on the ball if that engine so much as hic ups. I would only ever use the slower speeds if needed to come in very short.{ really good disc brakes} Tony Down Under ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Girard To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:29 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! Before you start worrying about having to change engines for more power, you need to add aileron counter weights to avoid getting aileron flutter. The parts are cheap from TNK and the installation is simple, just call and tell Travis you need a set. Do this before you fly your new plane. As for the numbers, the only one that leaps out is Vne of the Classic is 10 mph less than the Extra. Rick On 10/28/07, Richard Pike < richard@bcchapel.org> wrote: richard@bcchapel.org> Years ago Kolb advertised the MKIII minimum engine size as a 503, I still have the literature showing it. Eventually they dropped the 503 as minimum engine because the MKIII with a 503 had the climb rate of a Cessna 150. If you live in flat country you will do ok, but if it were mine, I would make I had the lightest MKIII in the country. Several years ago I flew a MKIII with a 503, and with myself and the builder aboard, it was ok, but it did not set the world on fire and the 503 stayed pretty busy. If it were mine, when the 503 comes up for rebuild, upgrade to a 582. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) ----- Original Message ----- From: "grantr" To: < kolb-list@matronics.com> Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2007 9:19 PM Subject: Kolb-List: I am getting a Kolb MK III!! grant_richardson25@yahoo.com> > > After a long search for a Kolb Mark III in my price range, I finally found > one! Its a 1996 Kolb Mark III with a rotax 503. It also comes with a > enclosed trailer! So now I will have the plane and Hangar. > > I plan to get it during the thanksgiving holiday. Its a 800 mile 12hr > drive :? Long Drive, But a road trip might be fun! > > I have 50 hr private pilot training in a Cessna 150. The lat time i flew > was in 1999. So now I am going to just get my SP license for now. I have > met all of the requirements except taking the written and practical test. > i just need some lessons to freshen up. > > Kolbs website has these specs under the MKIII classic but the specs say > there for the MKIII X. > > Are these specs correct for the MKIII classic? > > Is there any difference in a 1996 and a newer one? > ROTAX 582 > Takeoff Distance 150 ft. solo, 200 ft. dual > Rate of Climb 1,000 fpm solo, 800 fpm dual > Cruise Speed: Is it 67 or 77 mph ? > > SPECIFICATIONS > Wing Span 30 ft. > Wing Area 160 sq. ft. > Length 24 ft. (same folded) > Height 76 in. (same folded) > Width 82 in. (folded, 2-blade prop) > Gross Weight 850 lbs. normal, 1000 lbs. max. > Fuel Capacity 10 gal. > Load Factor +4g, -2g (limit);+6g, -3g(ultimate) > Stall Speed 38 mph (solo), 41 mph @ gross weight > Vne 110 mph > > Here are some pics of it. > ( http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962318) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962330) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962321 ) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962343) > (http://www.putfile.com/pic.php?img=6962334 ) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142242#142242 > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Kolb-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Free Release Date: 28/10/2007 1:58 p.m. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:09 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props So far I've been lucky. Had some tiny leading edge nicks that were very easily fixed, never could figure what caused them. Couple years back I was experimenting with an elbow on the top of the carb to see if there would be any ram air effect. When I landed it was hanging by a thread, jiggled loose by the "ol vibrator" Suzuki. My preflights are more thorough these days. Guarantee there is more safety wire on it than you will find on any Rotax. :) BB do not archive (is this still necessary?) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:05 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's From: "jb92563" I think reinforcing that area of the elevator is a good idea and I was not suggesting that you don't My point was that it just seems better to avoid making swiss cheese out of the tubing your hoping to make more rigid by adding so many rivet holes (weak point) in the loading path of those parts. I hope it works out for you....just suggesting a stronger fix based on the loading that part is subject to, and minimizing risk of a failure to the absolute minimum. I would have thought that anyone maintaining an aircraft where their life, and probably others depends on their maintenance, would be open to the best possible solution! (not saying that there is not a better one than my suggestion) "Mule Muffins" is just not much appreciation for trying to be helpful. The only consolation I have is that its not MY butt that hangs in the balance. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142512#142512 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:02 AM PST US From: "Vic Gibson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props Safety wire is good, nylon electrical ties are good, tape is fair, silicon will hold some things and nlyon string is handy. Some A&Ps have looked at my Suzuki 3 banger and just shook their head. But, everything seems to stay on. I have learned lately that to fly my Kolb in cold weather, it is a good idea to cover about a third of the old Geo Metro radiator. Otherwise, the water temp gets too low and it does not produce peak power. It would be nice to invent something like a cowl flap to control the amount of outside air to the radiator. -----Original Message----- From: robert bean Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:49 AM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props So far I've been lucky. Had some tiny leading edge nicks that were very easily fixed, never could figure what caused them. Couple years back I was experimenting with an elbow on the top of the carb to see if there would be any ram air effect. When I landed it was hanging by a thread, jiggled loose by the "ol vibrator" Suzuki. My preflights are more thorough these days. Guarantee there is more safety wire on it than you will find on any Rotax. :) BB do not archive (is this still necessary?) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:21:56 AM PST US From: "Vic Gibson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props I drilled a little hole in the oil cap and the radiator cap and made a loop around the neck so that it will turn and come off, but it is never loose to where it can depart the scene. -----Original Message----- From: possums Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 9:04 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props At 11:33 PM 10/28/2007, you wrote: >In a message dated 10/28/2007 6:37:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, >orcabonita@hotmail.com writes: >Just a couple months ago, a kolb went down when the oil cap hit the >prop and the resulting prop damage caused the pilot to land, and >flip the plane. Had that been a warp drive, it would have not been >an emergency, no off airport landing, and a much better and cheaper outcome. > >Hold on a min the 1st mistake was the pilot was to blame when he >didn't tighten or check the oil cap on preflight > 2nd the pilots poor judgment with an emergency landing is what > caused the plane to flip no matter what Prop he had the results > would have been the same >the way I see it anyhow I don't know how many of you guys have really had stuff fall off and come thru your prop. I fly a Warp Drive and little things, like muffler springs, don't seem to matter - later on you land and there is a nick in your prop, so what. Any body that has had a "big chunk" knocked out of their prop knows that they are about to have the ride of their life! Shake&Bake ,... doesn't even begin to describe what happens at "normal throttle" settings when you lose a chunk of even "one" blade. I've seen cages cracked after just seconds of full power settings with a damaged prop. I've listened to my friends tell me that they could not even reach the kill switch because things were shaking so bad. I'll be honest - I think a loose oil cap could put you down on take off with full power even with a Warp. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:28:39 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's > > My point was that it just seems better to avoid making swiss cheese out of > the tubing your hoping to make more rigid by adding so many rivet holes > (weak point) in the loading path of those parts. > > > "Mule Muffins" is just not much appreciation for trying to be helpful. > > The only consolation I have is that its not MY butt that hangs in the > balance. > Well Ray, I am sorry that I hurt your feelings, but I did it as gently as I could. There is no evidence that gussets have ever weakened any joint. Welding is not an option, and I am not aware of any glue that would do the job either. I guess it was your dramatic (Swiss cheese) representation that caused me to think that you thought that I was reckless as well as stupid. Larry C ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:20 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props Vic, Check out how the 18 wheeler guys do it. They have zippered, window blind and venetian blind type radiator covers. the window blind and venetian blind are cable controlled from the cab. Shouldn't be that difficult to make something similar. Rick On 10/29/07, Vic Gibson wrote: > > > Safety wire is good, nylon electrical ties are good, tape is fair, silicon > will hold some things and nlyon string is handy. Some A&Ps have looked at > my Suzuki 3 banger and just shook their head. But, everything seems to stay > on. I have learned lately that to fly my Kolb in cold weather, it is a good > idea to cover about a third of the old Geo Metro radiator. Otherwise, the > water temp gets too low and it does not produce peak power. It would be > nice to invent something like a cowl flap to control the amount of outside > air to the radiator. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bean > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:49 AM > To: kolb > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props > > > So far I've been lucky. Had some tiny leading edge nicks that were > very easily fixed, never could > figure what caused them. Couple years back I was experimenting with > an elbow on the top of > the carb to see if there would be any ram air effect. When I landed > it was hanging by a thread, > jiggled loose by the "ol vibrator" Suzuki. My preflights are more > thorough these days. > Guarantee there is more safety wire on it than you will find on any > Rotax. :) > BB > do not archive (is this still necessary?) > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:10 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature Control At 04:04 PM 10/29/07 GMT, you wrote: > >........ I have learned lately that to fly my Kolb in cold weather, it is a good idea to cover about a third of the old Geo Metro radiator. Otherwise, the water temp gets too low and it does not produce peak power. It would be nice to invent something like a cowl flap to control the amount of outside air to the radiator. > Vic, Here is my solution. It has been working for about six years with no problems. Check out: http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly67f.html and http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly68.html The rub bars proved to be unnecessary. Very light and inexpensive. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:09 AM PST US From: "Faisal Asif" Subject: Kolb-List: :: Help Needed regarding Kolb Mark III Extra :: Hello everyone, I have a Question. Has any Mark III Extra owner received LSA Airworthiness certificate for it yet? I am interested in knowing about any kind of move from microlight to LSA or Exparimental to E-LSA etc. A quick answer can help. Regards, Faisal. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:02 AM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy@kilocharlie.us> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's The only consolation I have is that its not MY butt that hangs in the balance. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Ray, I think what you might not have understood is that the tube is not the weak link (i.e. twisting in torsion) the problem is the 1 rivet connection between the top and bottom tubes that form the inboard "rib" of the elevator. That rivet will eventually work itself loose and once things start moving they start moving worse and worse. The aluminum plate is to reinforce the "rib" to spar connection. The spar tube itself is plenty strong in torsion to handle things...a few holes for more rivets isn't a problem. Agreed a tab welded to the steel insert might be great, but there are already holes drilled into the aluminum spar there to rivet to the steel insert anyway... Jeremy Casey ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:56 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: :: Help Needed regarding Kolb Mark III Extra :: Faisal, If you're aircraft was previously registered as Experimental Amateur Built or was registered in a foreign country it can't legally be moved to Experimental Light Sport Aircraft see FAR 21.191 (i) 1. The only aircraft that can be moved to E-LSA are Special-Light Sport Aircraft. see FAR 21.191(i) 3. Rick On 10/29/07, Faisal Asif wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I have a Question. > > Has any Mark III Extra owner received LSA Airworthiness certificate for it > yet? > > I am interested in knowing about any kind of move from microlight to LSA > or Exparimental to E-LSA etc. > > A quick answer can help. > > Regards, > > Faisal. > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:48:18 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: :: Help Needed regarding Kolb Mark III Extra :: Correction, If your aircraft...... all the rest was correct I just changed the phrasing of the reply and forgot to change from you're to your. Rick On 10/29/07, Richard Girard wrote: > > Faisal, If you're aircraft was previously registered as Experimental > Amateur Built or was registered in a foreign country it can't legally be > moved to Experimental Light Sport Aircraft see FAR 21.191 (i) 1. The only > aircraft that can be moved to E-LSA are Special-Light Sport Aircraft. see > FAR 21.191 (i) 3. > > Rick > > On 10/29/07, Faisal Asif wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > I have a Question. > > > > Has any Mark III Extra owner received LSA Airworthiness certificate for > > it yet? > > > > I am interested in knowing about any kind of move from microlight to LSA > > or Exparimental to E-LSA etc. > > > > A quick answer can help. > > > > Regards, > > > > Faisal. > > > > * > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > * > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:00:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's From: "John Hauck" Hot damn! Jeremy: You took the words right out of my mouth. I am sitting in the Rainbow Casino, Wendover, Utah, reading the mail. Yes, the problem is the 1/8 X 1/2" long single rivet that secures the top and bottom inboard rib tube of the elevator. The gusset is to reinforce the single rivet, top and bottom. Again, if you all read what I write, big smile, you might get the point. Those two little gussets tighten up the connection and don't loosen up with hours. Swiss cheese??? You could have been a little more tactful. hehehe However, you are basically telling me I don't know what I am doing, even though my fix fixed the problem and has continued to keep on working for several thousand hours with no problems. Larry C fixed those elevators at my suggestion using my idea for a fix. There are a lot of other Kolbs out there flying that have the same problem if they are starting to pile up the hours. Hopefully, you all won't think what I have been doing to keep my bird flying all these years and hours in not for naught. Take care, john h Wendover, Utah PS: Anyone out there got more than a thousand hours on a single Kolb besides John Williamson's Kolbra? -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142574#142574 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:01:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Light Sport N477DB From: "faisalasif" Sir can you send me a copy of documentation you had to do in order to get it certified as ELSA. kindly email at faisal (at) pakcyber.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142575#142575 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:02:42 PM PST US From: "pat ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Space for radio mounting radio work was difficult because of damaged hearing from working in heavy industry >> Hi, my excuse is playing drums in a jazz band. cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:00 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's > PS: Anyone out there got more than a thousand hours on a single Kolb besides John Williamson's Kolbra? > > -------- > John Hauck > MKIII/912ULS > hauck's holler, alabama Yes, I believe I do. Probably have two thousand hours, and another thousand to go!! Oh, you meant in the air! In that case, none........because I have these thousand or so hours left to go........hehe BTW, Nice gusset idea. Do you feel that only topside is warranted, or both top and bottom side? Seeing as how I haven't put fabric on my plane yet, should gussets be inside or outside of fabric? Mike Welch 0 hours in MkIII, 2000 hours ON MkIII _________________________________________________________________ Help yourself to FREE treats served up daily at the Messenger Caf. Stop by today. http://www.cafemessenger.com/info/info_sweetstuff2.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_OctWLtagline ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:58 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's From: "jb92563" Maybe I'm not clear on the connection to the 2 tubes that form the inboard rib, but it sounds the same as on my Ultrastar. I agree that a gusset is a great idea, but aren't the tubes forming the rib only 3/8" diameter .....so if you put a 1/8" hole in it for a rivet, thats making it really weak right? I'll drop the discussion after this post, because I'm sure you've been maintaining your Kolb for a long time and know what works. I'll do some bending tests on my Ultrastar tonight and see if mine might exhibit the same issue. I'd like to pro-actively correct it since I'm working on it now anyway. PS: I edited my post because it sounded more dramatic than intended, but you got to it before I finished....drat.....its just a technical discussion...no big deal. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142587#142587 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:26 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature Control Jack H: I have several 71 year old tractors that use the same curtain system to increase coolant heat. My 1960 Volvo PV544 also had a radiator curtain to help the coolant thermostat. I use a little gaffer's tape in the winter to keep engine oil and cyl head temps in the green. john h Wendover, Utah, headed for Moab, Utah ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:33 PM PST US From: Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's Mike W: I would have put them under the fabric if I had know about the problem before I covered. Yes, I have them mounted top and bottom. Also mounted left and right side bottom of rudder. Rudder is same construction as elevators. john h mkIII PS: John Williamson - I just did the buffet at the Rainbow. You know, prime rib, boiled shrimp (peeled and deveined), choclate eclairs, cream horns, and a very large slice of cherry topped new york cheese cake. Food is as good as it was for the past several visits here with you and Gary Haley. Heading east across Bonneville Salt Flats, Great Salt Lake, and south to Moab. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:26 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Hauck" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 3:59 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's John H wrote: . I am sitting in the Rainbow Casino, Wendover, Utah, reading the mail. Rainbow Casino? :-) Thounds like a friendly plaith to me big guy. wink Sorry John, couldn't help myself. Denny Rowe do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:34 PM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props Vic, take a look at heating/air conditioning registers with the close-able louvers. May be somewhat heavy, but a lever and push/pull cable shouldn't be too hard to rig. Lar. Vic Gibson wrote: > > Safety wire is good, nylon electrical ties are good, tape is fair, silicon will hold some things and nlyon string is handy. Some A&Ps have looked at my Suzuki 3 banger and just shook their head. But, everything seems to stay on. I have learned lately that to fly my Kolb in cold weather, it is a good idea to cover about a third of the old Geo Metro radiator. Otherwise, the water temp gets too low and it does not produce peak power. It would be nice to invent something like a cowl flap to control the amount of outside air to the radiator. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: robert bean > Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 5:49 AM > To: kolb > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props > > > So far I've been lucky. Had some tiny leading edge nicks that were > very easily fixed, never could > figure what caused them. Couple years back I was experimenting with > an elbow on the top of > the carb to see if there would be any ram air effect. When I landed > it was hanging by a thread, > jiggled loose by the "ol vibrator" Suzuki. My preflights are more > thorough these days. > Guarantee there is more safety wire on it than you will find on any > Rotax. :) > BB > do not archive (is this still necessary?) > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:10 PM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature Control Nice. I like that better than my idea. Lar. Jack B. Hart wrote: > > At 04:04 PM 10/29/07 GMT, you wrote: > >> >> ........ I have learned lately that to fly my Kolb in cold weather, it is a good idea to cover about a third of the old Geo Metro radiator. Otherwise, the water temp gets too low and it does not produce peak power. It would be nice to invent something like a cowl flap to control the amount of outside air to the radiator. >> >> > > Vic, > > Here is my solution. It has been working for about six years with no > problems. Check out: > > http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly67f.html > > and > > http://www.thirdshift.com/jack/firefly/firefly68.html > > The rub bars proved to be unnecessary. > > Very light and inexpensive. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:34 PM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Light Sport N477DB Faisal, The information you need can be had at EAA.org or Rainbow Aviation Services. Either will send you a full kit complete with sample forms to register an E-LSA Rick On 10/29/07, faisalasif wrote: > > > Sir can you send me a copy of documentation you had to do in order to get > it certified as ELSA. > > kindly email at faisal (at) pakcyber.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142575#142575 > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:44 PM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ivo Props Mike, I just shared an experience I had with an IVO and IVO's response to my inquiry about having it repaired.I don't run a IVO because it's repairable.I run it because it is the only 3 blade that meets the mass inertia limits of a B box.Small injuries like the one I described,might well be repairable.It doesn't take a muffler to destroy any prop,a 3oz spring will do.As for the rest of your assumptions,assume away. gaman(at)att.net wrote: > > > Had a antenna fail and the prop caught the whip as it was leaving the scene.About a 3/16 dent in the leading edge of one blade under the metal taped section. IVO said remove tape,sand dent smooth; clean with acetone,fill with epoxy (JB Weld) after cured,sand with block reapply new tape.That was 3yrs,150 hrs ago. > Its not a matter of repairing your prop or not, its a matter of the prop not comming apart in flight when something bigger hits it ( Like a Muffler ). Your reasoning of using an IVO because it is repairable and might save you a couple hundred dollars is very poor judgement. Just a couple months ago, a kolb went down when the oil cap hit the prop and the resulting prop damage caused the pilot to land, and flip the plane. Had that been a warp drive, it would have not been an emergency, no off airport landing, and a much better and cheaper outcome. There is just as much a chance that something bigger could depart the plane and the warp would stay together where the IVO comes apart. Its a safety issue, not " throwing money at it ". Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142374#142374 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:06 PM PST US From: "Jeremy Casey" <1planeguy@kilocharlie.us> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's I agree that a gusset is a great idea, but aren't the tubes forming the rib only 3/8" diameter .....so if you put a 1/8" hole in it for a rivet, thats making it really weak right? actually 5/16" tubing...even worse, right? But you do squeeze it in a vise down to 3/16" which makes it wider in the plane your actually drilling in. Leave enough edge distance and it is fine. It is in the plans. Jeremy ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:25 PM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Kolb-List: Rebuilding a MK-3 As Aaron previously posted on Oct 15th, I too am looking for a MK-3 in need of a rebuild, send what have you to jlsk1@frontiernet.net Thanks, Jim ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:04:35 PM PST US From: Malcolmbru@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I Passed - Really! Just forge a solo endorsement there are lots of pilots that do, you can make up a lot of them on small stickers then just put them in your log book every 3 month or so. I know a guy that signed his own check ride he has ben a private pilot for ten years. Malcolm Michigan ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:24:04 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Finally Pat Don't ever apologize for speaking the truth, and common sense! -- unfortunately both our countries are suffering from Idiocy From the Top Down -- and I can't see where any defense, or change, will come from. Seems to me other civilizations in the past have gotten too liberal/nutty and then been taken over by the barbarians. Will history repeat itself? And I'd like to know WHY people in the entertainment industry (i.e, "Tinseltown " AKA So. California) -- think they're automatically experts in international affairs?? Sheesh Marie! Anyone who's lived and worked in remote areas knows that people there are too busy staying alive & getting some work done to indulge in frivilous, stupid things like unnecessary lawsuits. Or any lawsuits at all. But get into the suburbs and then the cities, and they're rampant, and lawyers abound. All with an eye to filling their pockets, any way they can. Bah! As you said, 'don't get me started. Sorry everybody'. Russ do not archive On Oct 28, 2007, at 7:21 AM, pat ladd wrote: > > The other bad result is a national policy of everything in the > county being geared towards the dumbest, most incompetent people > that can be found, rather than gearing things for average people. > > Man what a difference life was in places where lawsuits dont affect > every aspect of daily life, and where everyone does not base every > action in fear of being sued. That is freedom.>> > > Hi Mike, > > We are in the same boat. We haven`t quite got to the point of > sueing someone because they are perceived as having `deep pockets` > but we shall, Common sense has gone out of the window. > > We had a case the other day of two kids being sent home from the > municipal swimming pool because they were wearing long shorts > because `a weak swimmer could be dragged down`. Teachers won`t take > kids for field trips in case they are sued if there is an accident. > Everyone loses. > > What really annoys me is that it would only take one Judge to > dismiss a case as being frivolous and impose a heavy cost penalty > for wasting the Courts time and the whole edifice would collapse > like a pack of cards. T`aint going to happen because there is too > much money pouring into the legal profession as a result of these > daft claims. > > Afternoon TV is stuffed with adverts exhorting people to make a > claim for any accident which has happened. There is one incredible > one of a guy who was installing a bracket to carry an electric > cable. The voice over says that he was `issued with the wrong sort > of ladder` which resulted in an accident. Not a word about having > enough sense to get someone to hold it, refuse to go up it or even > change the ladder.. Ye Gods! > > Re the dumbing down. That bastard Blair was determined that > everyone should have a university education. Not `everyone who > could qualify` you will note. He built Universities then he had to > lower the entry standards to get enough people to fill them.. > We get kids leaving school and the first thing employers have to do > is organise maths and English classes to teach them to read and > write and add up. > > Don`t get me started. Sorry everybody > > Cheers > > Pat > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:09 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature Control I must be missing something. Does the coolant system not have a thermostat? Steven ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:34:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Light Sport N477DB From: "JetPilot" I would like to get a copy of your paperwork also, to see how it differed from mine. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142660#142660 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:35 PM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature Control From: "Steven Green" I must be missing something. Does the coolant system not have a thermostat? Steven, No, it does not. Jack B. Hart FF004 Winchester, IN ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:45 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I Passed - Really! Malcolm Where do you come up with this crap. Please keep it to yourself. There are people that cheat and steal but that doesn't make it right. There are safety reason for them and the rest of us that there are check rides. The guy you know has NOT "ben" a private pilot. The only reason I can think of that anyone would skip the check ride is that they are too incompetent to be a pilot. Maybe we should send someone from the FAA your way to check your stickers. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: Malcolmbru@aol.com To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:03 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: I Passed - Really! Just forge a solo endorsement there are lots of pilots that do, you can make up a lot of them on small stickers then just put them in your log book every 3 month or so. I know a guy that signed his own check ride he has ben a private pilot for ten years. Malcolm Michigan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:41 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature Control Jack, I was referring to the original message about the Geo Metro engine. Steven ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack B. Hart" Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 10:58 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature Control > > From: "Steven Green" > > I must be missing something. Does the coolant system not have a > thermostat? > > Steven, > > No, it does not. > > Jack B. Hart FF004 > Winchester, IN > > > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:04 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: flying VG's Yeah John, Remember Willie Z, the "candy man"? I believe he has a 1000 + hour Firestar with a 503 engine that has yet to be opened for the first time. Terry F and I fly with him regularly and his 503 is still running strong. Terry's Firefly is well on the way to 1000 hours and his sweet running 447 has yet to be opened for the first time also. On Oct 29, 2007, at 3:59 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > PS: Anyone out there got more than a thousand hours on a single > Kolb besides John Williamson's Kolbra? ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:24 PM PST US From: "Vic Gibson" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature Control Yes, my kolb with the geo engine has a 195 degree thermostat. Why does t he water temp read about 160 intstead of 140 when I add a piece of cardbo ard to the radiator? I don't know. -----Original Message----- From: Steven Green Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 7:24 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Coolant Temperature Control I must be missing something. Does the coolant system not have a thermost at? Steven ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:40 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: :: Kolb aircrafts that have N-number registrations :: From: "faisalasif" please list all aircrafts with types that have N number registrations. kindly list the complete N number with make and model. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142678#142678 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Light Sport N477DB From: "Dave Bigelow" I'm attaching the PDF file containing the documentation I submitted to the Honolulu FSDO. The FAA inspector was quite helpful, and the price was right! -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, HKS 700E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142681#142681 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/experimental_light_sport_aircraft_package_128.pdf ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:52 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Light Sport N477DB From: "Dave Bigelow" I'm attaching the PDF file containing the documentation I submitted to the Honolulu FSDO. The FAA inspector was quite helpful, and the price was right! -------- Dave Bigelow Kamuela, Hawaii FS2, HKS 700E Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=142682#142682 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/experimental_light_sport_aircraft_package_128.pdf ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:48 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Light Sport N477DB From: "faisalasif" you must have received an airworthiness certificate? can we see a copy of it? 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