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1. 06:54 AM - Re: Xtra Information (Denny Rowe)
2. 08:26 AM - Re: Xtra Information (Vic Peters)
3. 08:54 AM - Re: Unpleasantness (pat ladd)
4. 10:20 AM - I still like the Kolb List (olendorf)
5. 11:15 AM - Re: Unpleasantness (GeoR38@aol.com)
6. 01:46 PM - Re: Unpleasantness (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
7. 04:17 PM - Re: Xtra Information (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
8. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: Flight safety question - chutes (Richard Girard)
9. 07:18 PM - Re: Xtra Information (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
10. 09:42 PM - Re: Re: Xtra Information (Robert Laird)
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| Subject: | Re: Xtra Information |
I would also love to hear your opinions on engine/prop combos for safe
STOL operations (that inflight adjustable IVO looked interesting).
So, before I start travelling around the country looking at used ones,
I need opinions!
Also, anyone know of a good used Xtra for sale?
Thanks,
Chuck
Chuck,For the best Stol performance as well as reliability you want a
Rotax 912 for power. The speed range of Kolbs makes inflight adjustable
props impracticle.While the IVO seems to work decent on smaller two
strokes, for the 912 I would go with a tapered tip Warp Drive prop or
maybe a Powerfin.Both of those are way higher quality than an IVO. Warp
props are hands down the toughest.Good luck and be sure to check
Barnstormers.com.Denny RoweMk-3, 2SI 690L-70, Powerfin
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| Subject: | Re: Xtra Information |
Hey Chuck, I may have one for you. Is 3hrs. used enough. 912 ul with 250
to 280 hrs. Owner said 250 Lockwood Aviation said 280. They disassembled
, inspected and reassembled it before I purchased it. 70" 3 blade Warp.
Full Lotus also available, with rudders , no rigging need some minor
work. GOT LAKE?
I'm on the FAA list for ELSA airworthiness Inspection in my state, Me.,
waiting.
Ellery may punish me for selling before I learn to fly it.
He has flown it during it's brief life as a registered UL trainer.
He now has his own Xtra kit, he's a builder not a buyer.
Contact me off list if you'd like.
vicsvinyl@verizon.net
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: Unpleasantness |
Recently, I have seen a change in the list. >>
George,
dont go. You are quite right there has been a change in tone on the list
recently and it is to be deplored. However these things come and go on
every list. Some people are just adversarial by nature and their replies
always seem to be couched in stronger terms than necessary. It isn`t
worth foregoing all the the years of friendliness and help that are
the norm just because one or two listers seem to have a burr under
their saddle.
Just ignore it, hit the delete and wait a while . Things will settle
down .Besides, we can`t afford to lose the nice guys.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | I still like the Kolb List |
This is not a sales pitch but since I recently contributed to Matts fund raiser
I have been thinking about how this list is worth the money to me. Here are
a few of the items that came to mind that directly resulted from this list.
I flew the 300 miles to Pennsylvania 3 times. GREAT trips that I will remember
forever. Thanks to Terry for setting up the fly-ins to Homers farm where I met
all the great Kolb flyers. I especially liked meeting Homer Kolb, John Hauck
and John Williamson. Also during these trips I attended the Shrevesport North
fly-ins which are very well attended and they have a great campground.
There is nothing like flying out of Smoketown airport and seeing Amish farmers
plowing behind 6 horses.
Flying in formation with 8 or 9 other Kolbs. Wow, what people on the ground must
have thought.
Speaking of great flying places to relocate, I would think about Pennsylvania.
Those people sure are nice.
I also get tons of good info on everything from engine maintenance to VGs, and
elevator reinforcements. How many lives does this list save each year? Ill bet
its more than 2.
I get to see pictures of other Kolb trips. Monument valley, Alaska, Idaho. Where
else do you get these?
Ill be rebuilding my windshield with inspiration from PlaneCrazys windshield.
I wish I could weld aluminum like that but I cant so Ill do what I can.
How many guys are sad for Paul Petty having to sell his Kolbra? Me too.
I could sure use a Beauford story about now.
P.S. Also with my contribution I am getting the Rotax DVD gift. That looks like
it might be pretty good.
P.P.S. Regarding the recent bad stuff on the list. This seems to happen every
fall/winter. Maybe people are not getting their flying fix. I know Im not getting
mine.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144607#144607
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| Subject: | Re: Unpleasantness |
In a message dated 11/8/2007 11:55:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pj.ladd@btinternet.com writes:
George,
dont go. You are quite right there has been a change in tone on the list
recently and it is to be deplored. However these things come and go on every
list. Some people are just adversarial by nature and their replies always seem
to be couched in stronger terms than necessary. It isn`t worth foregoing all
the the years of friendliness and help that are the norm just because one
or two listers seem to have a burr under their saddle.
Just ignore it, hit the delete and wait a while . Things will settle down
.Besides, we can`t afford to lose the nice guys.
Cheers
Pat
I,m one of the good guys, but don't talk much....kinda typical of a good guy
actually....
George Randolph
Firestar driver from Florida
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Unpleasantness |
George
Please don't go. I have been bad and I promise to be better.
How about hearing from the Non Rotax folks out there. Is anybody flying
anything new?
Do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: George Bass
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:08 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Unpleasantness
List;
I've been amember of this list for a number of years now. There have
been
many reasons that I have enjoyed the information, education &
entertainment
of the members here. Part of my warm regard for the list has always
been
in the things others have accomplished & the methods that they have
used
to overcome the trials and challenges of building their own aircraft.
Or efforts
to modify one constructed by someone else.
Recently, I have seen a change in the list. I have realized that I
no longer am
anxious to get to the computer & see the latest offerings from
members, due
in part, to the unexpected, unfounded, often uncalled-for, rantings &
attacks to
several members.
I realize that I am mearly a "lurker" & that I have never owned a Kolb
(this was
not by choice, I assure you). I have, however, flown a couple, &
even had the
distinct honor of flying the late Mr. Dave Pelletier's Firestar on a
couple days.
These things will alwasy remain as milestones to me. Memories of the
good days, & the great friendships that can be developed in this sport.
The reason I am writing this, is that I do not need the silly,
antagonistic, hatred
& flaming that has become the dominant theme on this list.
Therefore, I will
be removing myself from the list. I will miss the true heartfelt
encouragement
that has come from here, as well as the educational experiences of
those of
the list that have given so much of themselves. Not just the
negative things,
like accidents & (to quote some) stupid decisions & such, but, even to
the
point of providing thrue humor & laughter at themselves & us all.
I had hoped I could last until the next Monument Valley UnOfficial
Fly-In,
because I had purchased an aircraft that I had wanted to use there &
meet
all the folks that I've come to know through this list. Who knows,
maybe I'll
be able to make it anyway.
For all the engine info, I can't thank you all enough. My wishes to
you all, are
that you have nothing but Blue Skies & Soft Landings, exactly where
you want
them to be.
George Bass
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| Subject: | Re: Xtra Information |
"Chuck McCullough" asked: << ... you experience in your airplanes in
the real world. TNK says 150'solo/200'dual, but they also say you can
build one in 400 hours. Thanks, Chuck >>
Chuck -
Although I built and fly a Mark-III "Classic," see if you think my
real-world experience help:
It took me 540 hours to build mine. However, this included a few mods
beyond the stock airplane, such as a fold-down instrument panel and
wingtip hand-holds.
At a field elevation of 6500' msl, my Kolb is off the ground in less
than 300 feet, solo. And this is usually at density altitudes
approaching 8000' as it is often quite hot here. The 912 is an ideal
match for the Mark-III.
I was amazed at the improved takeoff performance (shorter takeoff
distance) I experienced while flying in the "lowlands" of Monument
Valley with the group last May! (elev. 5100')
I'm sure your takeoff distances would be shorter in Texas.
Dennis Kirby
Cedar Crest, NM
p.s. - who is "Ally'all?"
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Flight safety question - chutes |
Ellery, I think you hit on something without realizing it 2/3 of BRS
is BS. Good thinking. :-)
Rick
On Nov 7, 2007 1:54 PM, JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ElleryWeld(at)aol.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > Do you also know why the two young fellas Crashed "Aerobatic manuvers" from
what I understand wich the craft was not designed for if there the same
guys I am thinking about [/b]
> > I will never read another post from you thanks to my Delete Button
> > ]
>
>
> So what part of " flying along in a normal manner " do you not understand ??
There were plenty of witnesses and no aerobatics involved.
>
> You posted something downright stupid, and now you are all bitter and reacting
like a baby when someone points it out in public. Personally, I dont care if
you use chute or not. I beleive everyone should have the right to kill themself
if they want. Where I do take issue is where fools like you give this very
BAD advice to others here on the list. Lots of people read this list that
never post, its our responsibility to give them good information.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=144458#144458
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Xtra Information |
Vic
are you nuts ? you keep that plane ! You just finished it ,I will get you
going in it as soon as you have the airworthyness slip on it,
Hey Guys Vic has lost his mind dont pay attention to him I hope its just a
temporary thing he has been tipping the bottle a bit to much lately
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Xtra Information |
Here in SE Texas, with a 912S on a MkIIIC, I take off in about 200 feet,
solo, if I use my flaps... clean, it's about 400 feet (but I'm not really
trying too hard). Ascent rate in the summer is as much as 1400 fpm if I try
hard... on my typical "no sweat" take off, it'll be 1000 fpm. Either is
like an elevator ride.
While I could routinely operate out of the 700 foot strip described, I
definitely wouldn't recommend it unless the pilot had at least 100 hours in
the MkIII. Too many things to go wrong in too little space; power, flaps
and ungodly ascent rates only get you so far.
-- Robert
P.S. When I first moved in to my airport home, my neighbor came out to
watch my take off, with a portable aviation radio in his hand to talk to
me... he flys a Cessna.... he was standing next to my wife and, later, she
told me he said "Holy sh--!" when I took off, and then, a moment later, to
me over the radio he says, "Is that all ya got?" (He hadn't broadcasted his
first comment!) :-)
On 11/8/07, Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil> wrote:
>
> Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
> "Chuck McCullough" asked: << ... you experience in your airplanes in
> the real world. TNK says 150'solo/200'dual, but they also say you can
> build one in 400 hours. Thanks, Chuck >>
>
> Chuck -
>
> Although I built and fly a Mark-III "Classic," see if you think my
> real-world experience help:
>
> It took me 540 hours to build mine. However, this included a few mods
> beyond the stock airplane, such as a fold-down instrument panel and
> wingtip hand-holds.
>
> At a field elevation of 6500' msl, my Kolb is off the ground in less
> than 300 feet, solo. And this is usually at density altitudes
> approaching 8000' as it is often quite hot here. The 912 is an ideal
> match for the Mark-III.
>
> I was amazed at the improved takeoff performance (shorter takeoff
> distance) I experienced while flying in the "lowlands" of Monument
> Valley with the group last May! (elev. 5100')
>
> I'm sure your takeoff distances would be shorter in Texas.
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Cedar Crest, NM
> p.s. - who is "Ally'all?"
> do not archive
>
>
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