---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 11/25/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - zoom zoom (tc1917) 2. 04:12 AM - Re: HAULING mk III without boom stand? (planecrazzzy) 3. 04:43 AM - Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA (planecrazzzy) 4. 06:09 AM - Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA (cristalclear13) 5. 06:40 AM - Re: zoom zoom (Russ Kinne) 6. 07:24 AM - Re: zoom zoom (Richard Girard) 7. 08:12 AM - Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA (planecrazzzy) 8. 10:37 AM - Re: Will Tathem contact info? (gary aman) 9. 10:46 AM - Re: HAULING mk III without boom stand? (gary aman) 10. 11:00 AM - Re: Will Tathem contact info? (gary aman) 11. 12:10 PM - Re: Will Tathem contact info? (Denny Rowe) 12. 12:12 PM - Re: Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA (Denny Rowe) 13. 02:24 PM - Re:fix a small hole (boyd) 14. 04:24 PM - Re: ferguson aircraft?? (John Hauck) 15. 04:34 PM - Re: Ultrastar fuel tanks (John Hauck) 16. 04:47 PM - Re: Re: Ultrastar fuel tanks (Dana Hague) 17. 04:53 PM - Re: fix a small hole (John Hauck) 18. 05:02 PM - Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA (John Hauck) 19. 06:07 PM - Re: fix a small hole (Wade Lawicki) 20. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: fix a small hole (Dana Hague) 21. 06:56 PM - Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA (cristalclear13) 22. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: fix a small hole (Kolbdriver) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:23 AM PST US From: "tc1917" Subject: Kolb-List: zoom zoom thanks everyone for the advice on the droning. I already have my fabric covered with noise reducing fabric on the inside of the fus. learned that from my firestar days. I started out with no extension on the prop, still had three inches of clearance. Put the four inch extension on (had to refinance the house for that 6 pound piece of alum and 'special' fasteners) that did not help but reduced it a little. repitched the prop probably six or seven times. did not help much. tuned the carbs, manually and vacuum, again expensive set of gauges. checked plug gaps, loose and torn fabric search, and even changed my top gap seals on both sides of the engine and one under the right wing. (will change one under left wing) It sounds to me that it is coming from the engine (gear box maybe) because the sound is there from idle up and stays about the same beat but intensifies as rpms go up. I wonder if the main gear in the gear box is not round and is looping. really bothersome at around 47 to 4800 rpm, 90 mph range. I will keep trying to find it. when I do, or if I do, I will let you all know and archieve the info. thanks again. ted cowan, alabama ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:36 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: HAULING mk III without boom stand? From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Grant, Get a boom support fer yer Tail.... You might have Lucked out because the tail had the least amout of bouncing with the tail at the hitch.... The Hole in the fabric.....Take a picture when you ask about stuff like that ....it could be as simple as tape....a picture might also stir up other questions... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. grantr wrote: > > Did I screw up? I cant see any damage. What should I check for? > > > The plane was in the trailer tail 1st. > > > One other question: What is the best way to fix a small hole( the size of my pinkie finger) in the horizontal stab? > > > Thanks, > Grant -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148363#148363 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/firestar_22ft_trailer_10ft_103.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/boom_support_393.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Guys, In the picture of Crystal's Plane.... Look at the "trim tab"....is that "size" really needed ? Seems too big , almost like it could cause "Flutter" it's almost touching the ground , I'll bet it has. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN FSII/ No trim tabs .. .. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148366#148366 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/plane_at_northern_lights_airpark_007_139.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:14 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA From: "cristalclear13" My trim tab does drag ground if I don't keep my stick pulled back. I keep a bungee cord on it when I'm not in it. I don't know if it's my trim tab that is too big. When I look at the picture of ropermike's Mark II, his trim tab looks to be about the same size. However it looks like his tailwheel keeps the back of the plane up higher than mine. Kmet suggested (thanks Jim) I turn the tailwheel landing gear rod around back there to make it higher, but I'm not sure exactly what part he's talking about (the whole rod or just the attachment at the end). Let me get a close up picture of my tailwheel assembly and post it here. I'll try to get it this afternoon. I'm having to replace the nut back there with a castellated nut (per the DAR) so I have it apart right now anyways. -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148374#148374 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:00 AM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: zoom zoom Ted You probably used a stethoscope on the engine, gearbox, etc? Could be most useful, but be careful that close to the prop! On Nov 25, 2007, at 6:50 AM, tc1917 wrote: > > thanks everyone for the advice on the droning. I already have my > fabric covered with noise reducing fabric on the inside of the > fus. learned that from my firestar days. I started out with no > extension on the prop, still had three inches of clearance. Put > the four inch extension on (had to refinance the house for that 6 > pound piece of alum and 'special' fasteners) that did not help but > reduced it a little. repitched the prop probably six or seven > times. did not help much. tuned the carbs, manually and vacuum, > again expensive set of gauges. checked plug gaps, loose and torn > fabric search, and even changed my top gap seals on both sides of > the engine and one under the right wing. (will change one under > left wing) It sounds to me that it is coming from the engine (gear > box maybe) because the sound is there from idle up and stays about > the same beat but intensifies as rpms go up. I wonder if the main > gear in the gear box is not round and is looping. really bothersome > at around 47 to 4800 rpm, 90 mph range. I will keep trying to find > it. when I do, or if I do, I will let you all know and archieve > the info. thanks again. ted cowan, alabama > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:45 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: zoom zoom Ted, Have you tried taking the prop off, rotating it one lug and reinstalling? Rick On Nov 25, 2007 8:38 AM, Russ Kinne wrote: > > Ted > You probably used a stethoscope on the engine, gearbox, etc? Could be > most useful, but be careful that close to the prop! > > On Nov 25, 2007, at 6:50 AM, tc1917 wrote: > > > > > thanks everyone for the advice on the droning. I already have my > > fabric covered with noise reducing fabric on the inside of the > > fus. learned that from my firestar days. I started out with no > > extension on the prop, still had three inches of clearance. Put > > the four inch extension on (had to refinance the house for that 6 > > pound piece of alum and 'special' fasteners) that did not help but > > reduced it a little. repitched the prop probably six or seven > > times. did not help much. tuned the carbs, manually and vacuum, > > again expensive set of gauges. checked plug gaps, loose and torn > > fabric search, and even changed my top gap seals on both sides of > > the engine and one under the right wing. (will change one under > > left wing) It sounds to me that it is coming from the engine (gear > > box maybe) because the sound is there from idle up and stays about > > the same beat but intensifies as rpms go up. I wonder if the main > > gear in the gear box is not round and is looping. really bothersome > > at around 47 to 4800 rpm, 90 mph range. I will keep trying to find > > it. when I do, or if I do, I will let you all know and archieve > > the info. thanks again. ted cowan, alabama > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA From: "planecrazzzy" Hi Crystal, I'm sure he's talking about turning the rod over... it might be a little "sprung" , you can use that to your advantage by giving it a 180.... You can't always Taxi with the stick "back" ( some do ) Sometimes it's confusing , which way to hold the stick ( Not anymore ) One of the best "sayings" that I heard when I was getting my Tailwheel endorsement was this.... "Wind Behind" - Blows the stick "Headwind" - Pull Back , stick into the wind That "saying" helps me "Just do it" , instead of thinking about it... You've got a nice looking plane ! .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148389#148389 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jaz__mutt_muffs_009_199.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:43 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Will Tathem contact info? Denny, The last contact number That I had for Will is 419-348-7075,a cell # I believe.He is living in a motor home and traveling since May,when I took delivery of his Mk-3 Denny Rowe wrote: Kolbers, Does anybody have Wll Tathams new contact info since he moved? Denny Rowe ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:46:48 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: HAULING mk III without boom stand? Grant, Did you ever see those little bullet hole decals? I picked up the Kolb MK III and hauled it in a single axle enclosed trailer 800 miles. The trailer has a catch fro the tail wheel and didn't have a boom stand. I just found out that it should not be hauled on the tail wheel. I guess the guy didn't know it wasn't suppose to be hauled that way Did I screw up? I cant see any damage. What should I check for? I did have a strap across the front of the plane going through the doors snug to keep the mains from bouncing out of the wheel chocks. The plane was in the trailer tail 1st. The chocks were screwed to the floor and the wheels were strapped in the chocks and the strap I mentioned above was used to keep the plane from bouncing up. One other question: What is the best way to fix a small hole( the size of my pinkie finger) in the horizontal stab? Thanks, Grant Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148316#148316 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:49 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Will Tathem contact info? Let me try this again.To Denny Rowe:Wills last cell phone number was 419-348-7075.he is traveling in a motor home after selling his home this May.I bought his Mk-3 in April. gary aman wrote: ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:10:10 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Will Tathem contact info? Gary, Nothing came through either time. Denny ----- Original Message ----- From: gary aman To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 2:00 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Will Tathem contact info? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 11/24/2007 5:58 PM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:12:05 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA Cristal, That is a really nice looking Mk-2. That was the first Kolb that really grabbed my interest many years ago, I have always liked the looks of the Mk-2s. Denny Rowe Mk-3 N616DR ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:24:42 PM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: RE:fix a small hole One other question: What is the best way to fix a small hole( the size of my pinkie finger) in the horizontal stab? Thanks, Grant >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well it kind of depends on what kind of fabric and paint. If it is Polly fiber fabric and Polly tone paint it is easy... 2 ways 1: Trim the ragged parts out of the hole Lay unshrunk patch material over the hole and trace the outline of the patch with a #2 pencil, make sure you have the required over lap (1 inch for holes smaller than 8 inches ) cut the patch with pinking shears. Mask off the area outside the patch, leave an extra 1/2 inch or so of working room larger than the patch. Clean off all the coatings inside the masked area with mek. Everything will wipe off readily, right down the bare fabric. Cement the patch to the old fabric with poly-tak, let it dry. With a 225 deg iron, heat smooth the cemented areas. With a 350 deg iron, heat shrink the area of the patch over the hole. This acts as a shrinking panel to retighten the fabric in the area of the repair. Use a piece of cardboard as a shield to keep the iron off the cemented areas. Brush on a coat of poly brush and let it day. Spray poly spray to fill. Paint with poly tone. You will find the poly tone is easy to spot spray into the old paint with a good match unless the old paint is faded. 2: Band aid option It is perfectly safe and legal to just scuff sand the old poly tone and cement directly on top of the old paint without cleaning off all the coatings. It just looks pretty rough when finished. The poly tak will hold just fine to the old poly tone. Instructions from Poly fiber aircraft coatings book. If you have other paint or fabric,,,, call a distributor and follow their directions. Boyd ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:28 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ferguson aircraft?? From: "John Hauck" Hi Guys: Bill Ferguson bought a mkIII kit from Homer Kolb. Later, Bill contacted Homer with a deal to correct all the errors in Homer's mkIII design. Homer told Ferguson he was not interested in his changes. Sun and Fun 1991 Bill Ferguson showed up with his improved model of the Kolb MKIII. The fuselage and wings had been redesigned, but the tailboom and the tail section were straight from Homer's kit. The folding mechanism for the elevators and horizontal stabilizers took Homer Kolb and Dennis Souder a tremendous amount of time and effort to design and build. Ferguson made no effort to change the tail section, but claimed his airplane to be a Ferguson. I personally believe this hurt Homer a great deal. Take care, john h mkIII Edwards AFB, CA -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148460#148460 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Ultrastar fuel tanks From: "John Hauck" The capacity of the orginal US tanks was 1 3/4 gal. I could not do much flying on the stock two each tanks. Got Little Mike at Kolb to send me a third which I mounted above the engine for my reserve tank. Gravity fed it into the two lower tanks. Worked great. Later on Kolb had some 6 gal tanks made that would fit in the place of the two gokart tanks. That increased my fuel capacity to 7.75 gals. john h mkIII -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148461#148461 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:17 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Ultrastar fuel tanks At 07:33 PM 11/25/2007, John Hauck wrote: > >The capacity of the orginal US tanks was 1 3/4 gal. > >I could not do much flying on the stock two each tanks. Got Little Mike >at Kolb to send me a third which I mounted above the engine for my reserve >tank. Gravity fed it into the two lower tanks. Worked great. > >Later on Kolb had some 6 gal tanks made that would fit in the place of the >two gokart tanks... I likely will add a third tank as you describe... if it's 1.5 gallons then the total will still be the legally allowed 5 gallons. OTOH... do you know if Kolb still has the 6 gallon tank you describe? Was the mounting the same, or does the cage need to be modified? Had a beautiful flight today, if chilly... good weather like this is rare this time of year in New England. -Dana -- If we wish to "restore" respect for the law, a good start would be to pass only laws that people will respect. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:48 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fix a small hole From: "John Hauck" Back in the old days I used to go through the process of doing it the Stitts or Polyfiber way. After 1994, unless it is a large hole, bigger than an inch or two, and depending whether it is in a critical to flight area, I stick a "sticker" on the hole. Most of the holes in the fabric of my 1992 mkIII are in the fuselage or tail section area. Probably have 30 lbs of sticker on the old gal. If I am out on a long flight, 1 or 2 inch black electrical tape works great. So does duct tape. I patched a 1/2" hole in the top of a wing, made with a screw driver, by making a dollar patch with clear packing tape and pinking shears. Spray painted it with Aerothane. No one knew it was there. The clear packing tape accepted the top coat of two part Aerothane with no problem. john h mkIII -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148471#148471 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:44 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA From: "John Hauck" Cristal: I have discovered over a few years of building, flying, breaking these things (Kolbs), the length of the tail wheel strut can be cut very short. This takes a lot of slop out of the tailwheel in the form of reducing the amount of free play it has in the stock configuration. Also, if one happens to have a hard landing on the tail wheel, it keeps the tail wheel mechanism out of the bottom of the rudder. I like about 4 inches of tail wheel strut exposed between the tail wheel struct socket and the tail wheel. john h mkIII -------- John Hauck MKIII/912ULS hauck's holler, alabama Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148473#148473 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:45 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fix a small hole From: "Wade Lawicki" Grant, Go to the hobby shop or find a friend that has some mono-kote for covering model airplanes, get the color close and cut a circle an inch bigger than the hole. start at the outside edges with a iron set at 225, seal the whole diameter then work your way inward. it sticks to the poly without burning it and will last a long time. Fly Safe, Wade Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148489#148489 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:28 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: fix a small hole At 09:07 PM 11/25/2007, Wade Lawicki wrote: > Go to the hobby shop or find a friend that has some mono-kote > for covering model airplanes, get the color close and cut a circle an > inch bigger than the hole. start at the outside edges with a iron set at > 225, seal the whole diameter then work your way inward. it sticks to the > poly without burning it and will last a long time. The problem with Monokote is that it's mylar film; if it starts to rip it keeps on ripping. I haven't tried it as a Stits repair, but Coverite's prepainted 21st Century Fabric ( http://www.coverite.com/covering/covq0301.html ) or Super Coverite ( http://www.coverite.com/covering/covq1000.html ) iron on the same way but are dacron fabric. Hmmm, maybe I should get some and try it. I've used ripstop nylon for small repairs on my Ultrastar. The roll I have came with the plane, but it looks like "spinnaker tape" sold at marine stores. -Dana -- Ever notice how fast Windows runs? Neither did I. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:51 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Mark II is an airworthy ELSA From: "cristalclear13" Thanks for the compliments and suggestions. I have attached a picture and labeled the parts on the tailwheel rod A, B, and C, since I don't know what they are officially called. So John, are you saying that you would make section B shorter? All, How does B come of out of C to either cut it or rotate it? If I rotate B, will I turn C back around to the way it is now or should it also rotate? If I leave the tailwheel as it is and just make an elevator stop (or adjust it if it's adjustable) will that be good enough? Thanks for your help and suggestions. -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=148499#148499 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/n193y_tailwheel_rod_676.jpg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:54:07 PM PST US From: "Kolbdriver" Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: fix a small hole Why not use stits to patch it the same way??? Give Jim and Dondie a call.. PHONE: 1-877-877-3334 FAX: 1-614-877-3337 EMAIL: info@aircrafttechsupport.com Real nice folks! Mike Oak Grove Missouri Mark III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs Suzuki G13B 1.3L - 0hrs Started with Big Lar still behind... Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wade Lawicki Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fix a small hole Grant, Go to the hobby shop or find a friend that has some mono-kote for covering model airplanes, get the color close and cut a circle an inch bigger than the hole. start at the outside edges with a iron set at 225, seal the whole diameter then work your way inward. it sticks to the poly without burning it and will last a long time. 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