---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/06/07: 24 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:03 AM - Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors (Matt Dralle) 2. 07:41 AM - fun fly (greg@skyelink.com) 3. 07:50 AM - Plane touchy (Vic Peters) 4. 07:56 AM - Re: fun fly (jb92563) 5. 09:35 AM - Re: Re: Monument valley (HShack@aol.com) 6. 10:26 AM - Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (propwash) 7. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Monument valley (John Hauck) 8. 11:43 AM - FIELD LOCATION FOR FLY IN (greg@skyelink.com) 9. 12:19 PM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 10. 02:08 PM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Carlos) 11. 03:12 PM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Carlos) 12. 05:16 PM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Bryan Dever) 13. 05:36 PM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Larry Cottrell) 14. 05:52 PM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (russ kinne) 15. 06:14 PM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (beauford T) 16. 06:14 PM - Re: Elevator trim tab information needed (JetPilot) 17. 06:18 PM - Re: Re: need advice on extra fuel tank hook up (Charlie England) 18. 07:39 PM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (propwash) 19. 08:13 PM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 20. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Richard Pike) 21. 08:55 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com) 22. 09:02 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 23. 09:36 PM - FS II (propwash) 24. 10:34 PM - Re: FS II (Carlos) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:32 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Kolb-List: Matronics List Fund Raiser - 2007 List of Contributors Dear Listers, I would like to thank everyone that made a Contribution in support of the Lists this year! It was really nice to hear all great comments people had regarding the Lists! As I have said many times before, running these Lists is a labor of love. Your generosity during the List Fund Raiser underscores the great sentiments people have made regarding the Lists. If you haven't yet made a Contribution in support of this year's Fund Raiser please feel free to do so. The great List Fund Raiser gifts will be available on the Contribution site for just a little while longer, so hurry and make your Contribution and get your great gift! Once again, the URL for the Contribution web site is: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank Andy Gold of the Builder's Bookstore ( http://www.buildersbooks.com ), Jon Croke of Homebuilt HELP ( http://www.homebuilthelp.com ) and Bob Nuckolls of AeroElectric ( http://www.aeroelectric.com ) for their extremely generous support during this year's Fund Raiser through the contribution of discounted merchandise. These are great guys that support the aviation industry and I encourage each and every Lister to have a look at their products. Thank you Andy, Jon and Bob!! Your support is very much appreciated! And finally, below you will find a web link to the 2007 List of Contributors current as of 12/6/07! Have a look at this list of names as these are the people that make all of these List services possible! I can't thank each of you enough for your support and great feedback during this year's Fund Raiser! THANK YOU! http://www.matronics.com/loc/2007.html I will be shipping out all of the gifts in the next few weeks and hope to have everything out by the end of the month. In most cases, gifts will be shipped via US Postal Service. Once again, thank you for making this year's List Fund Raiser successful! Best regards, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:52 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: fun fly From: greg@skyelink.com Hello everyone My name is Greg Allison i am a new kolb member i own a mark 3x that i completed in sept of this year and i have put in a 2,000 ft landing strip on my land. To celibrate the the new strip i would like to hold a fun fly at my field on the weekend of april 19-20. I am inviting any other kolb owners to attend and would like some feedback as to who might like to come i am located in virginia 3 sm from the potomic river in the northern neck. I will try to get some good games and compations for us to do and all food and drink will be supplyed to all that attend camping will be promitted to anyone that would like to drive to the event. If anyone has some ideas on some games or thing to make it a good time for everyone please feel free to phone or email (804 529-7578)(greg@skyelink.com) thanks Greg Allison ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:12 AM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Kolb-List: Plane touchy Sounds like some of our lister needs a little nip of holiday cheer. Kinda like what Ellery has in his little purple velvet bag trimmed in gold. Or even my brown paper one. Skeeter apologizing, hope your not ill (really). Vic (sober as a church mouse) Xtra 912 N740VP T Craft project (brothers 46' BC12D) Now all I need is 3 HO! HO! HO!'s ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:56:58 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: fun fly From: "jb92563" How about a couple aerial pics of your new strip, to help us recognize it from the air. GPS Coordinates would be great as well. You could use google maps to get a coordinate visually by zooming in on your location if you don't have gps. -------- Ray Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150805#150805 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:02 AM PST US From: HShack@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument valley When is Monument Valley? Will other-than KOLB aircraft be allowed? A couple of our Trenton Flyers would like to fly there; we are in SC. One owns a pretty MkIII on floats [too slow for the trip] & the other has flown a FS II; does that qualify? How about accomodations? Check out _www.Trentonflyers.com_ (http://www.Trentonflyers.com) . Howard Shackleford FS II SC **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:30 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger From: "propwash" Does anyone have any experience with the Quad City Challenger (2 seat model) and the Kolb Firestar II - in terms of similiar flight characteristics. I have a half a dozen hours in the Challenger (long wing model) and am considering purchasing a FS II. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150824#150824 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:07 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Monument valley Hi Shack: The 2008 Unplanned/Unorganized Monument Valley Kolb Flyin will be held 16, 17, 18 May 2008, the weekend between Mother's day and Memorial Day weekends, unless the Kolb folks want to do it on a different weekend. Any and all are welcome to join our "flyin". Although it is primarily a flyin, we also welcome those that drive, ride, and walkin. Goulding's Lodge is a great place for a Kolb Flyin. Everything we need to survive, enjoy, relax, and live in the lap of luxury is available. They have a nice lodge, also cabins and I think some duplex accomodations. http://www.gouldings.com/english/index.htm http://www.airnav.com/airport/UT25 The 4,000 air strip is now entirely paved. Auto fuel is available across the street at the service station. john h mkIII (Visited MV every year since 2002. 5 times by mkIII and twice by land. Made it to MV twice this year (air and land).) When is Monument Valley? Will other-than KOLB aircraft be allowed? A couple of our Trenton Flyers would like to fly there; we are in SC. One owns a pretty MkIII on floats [too slow for the trip] & the other has flown a FS II; does that qualify? How about accomodations? Check out www.Trentonflyers.com . Howard Shackleford FS II SC ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:13 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: FIELD LOCATION FOR FLY IN From: greg@skyelink.com sorry no up to date picks right now but i will get some and post thim in a fue day however the gps cordn. are N37.56.500 // w76.36.071 of the air field. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:19:32 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger I have flown 3 different Challenger II's and I have flown 4 different models of Kolb's and its just my opinion The KOLB's are superior better flyers and you dont have to worry about the wings or the fusalage flexing like in the Challengers ( I dont like that ) thats why I am sticking to Kolb's Ellery Building MK3Xtra do not archive **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:08:45 PM PST US From: "Carlos" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Hi Prop, Just another note... The FS II really is a single seat plane in my opinion. The Seat in the back is very small, no controls and really only suited for a child or small person. The Challenger II has room for two normal size adults and dual controls but, very little extra space beyond that. The Challenger II has a higher VNE of 100mph and the FS II is 90mph. I guess its all in what you want to do. Carlos G ----- Original Message ----- From: "propwash" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger > > Does anyone have any experience with the Quad City Challenger (2 seat > model) and the Kolb Firestar II - in terms of similiar flight > characteristics. I have a half a dozen hours in the Challenger (long wing > model) and am considering purchasing a FS II. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150824#150824 > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:58 PM PST US From: "Carlos" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Hi Propwash, I have a Firestar II with a 447 and I have about 50hrs in a QC Challenger II LW with a 503. The Challenger has flaperons and the FSII does not have flaps. The FS II seems to be a little qiucker on the response to control inputs but not sensitive. The rudder feel is the biggest difference between the two planes. The Challenger seems a little vague at times usually right after reducing power. The FS II seems very positive through out all speeds when compared to a Challenger. I find the FS tracks better through turns while the Challenger seems to need constant attention when making coordinated turns. The FS II is a tail dragger and may take alittle getting used to when compared to a Challenger. You mgiht try practicing keeping the Challenger balanced only on its main gear along the runway while doing touch and go's. Or practice high speed taxis down the runway keeping Challenger balanced again on its mains only. This will help you practice steering with the rudder and give you an idea what a tail wheel is about. If you can, please do find someone who can give you some time in a taildragger as this is the best way to prepare. I hope this helps with your questions regarding the two planes. Best Regards Carlos G ----- Original Message ----- From: "propwash" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:24 AM Subject: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger > > Does anyone have any experience with the Quad City Challenger (2 seat > model) and the Kolb Firestar II - in terms of similiar flight > characteristics. I have a half a dozen hours in the Challenger (long wing > model) and am considering purchasing a FS II. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150824#150824 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:58 PM PST US From: "Bryan Dever" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger I own an fly a Firestar, but I learned to fly in a Challenger II Clip wing. There are pros and cons to both planes as I see them. 1. First off, the Chalenger II is a true two place plane, the Firestar is not. 2. The Chalenger is has a faster cruise speed. 3. The Kolb is structurally more substantial in my opinion. Take a look at the tail section design of the Challenger. If you grab the vertical stabilizer and give a good shake, and you'll see what I mean. 4. The Kolb will handle a rough field a lot better. Challengers have a weak nose gear design. 5. Challengers are known for adverse yaw, however this can be delt with. 6. I am not a fan of belt driven props (Challenger) 7. I am not a fan of inverted 2 strokes ( Challenger) 8. I feel safer in chromoly fuselage (Kolb) 9. The visibility of a kolb cannot be beat without a Bell helicopter. 10. Folding wings are a nice feature (Kolb) 11. Some Challenger pilots have reported bad flight characteristics when the doors are installed. 12. Tail draggers are cool. Bryan Dever ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:57 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Subject: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger > > Does anyone have any experience with the Quad City Challenger (2 seat > model) and the Kolb Firestar II - in terms of similiar flight > characteristics. I have a half a dozen hours in the Challenger (long wing > model) and am considering purchasing a FS II. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I took my Sport Pilot test in a Challenger, and I own a Firestar II. I would not trade at all. The only thing positive that I can say about the Challenger is that it is relatively easy to land. Other than that no real comparison for me, they are just not as much fun to fly. Larry C Do not archive ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:52:43 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger And please, propwash, use the widest runway you can find! You might need it in training. On Dec 6, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Carlos wrote: > > Hi Propwash, > > I have a Firestar II with a 447 and I have about 50hrs in a QC > Challenger II LW with a 503. > > The Challenger has flaperons and the FSII does not have flaps. The > FS II seems to be a little qiucker on the response to control > inputs but not sensitive. The rudder feel is the biggest difference > between the two planes. The Challenger seems a little vague at > times usually right after reducing power. The FS II seems very > positive through out all speeds when compared to a Challenger. I > find the FS tracks better through turns while the Challenger seems > to need constant attention when making coordinated turns. The FS II > is a tail dragger and may take alittle getting used to when > compared to a Challenger. > > You mgiht try practicing keeping the Challenger balanced only on > its main gear along the runway while doing touch and go's. Or > practice high speed taxis down the runway keeping Challenger > balanced again on its mains only. This will help you practice > steering with the rudder and give you an idea what a tail wheel is > about. If you can, please do find someone who can give you some > time in a taildragger as this is the best way to prepare. > > I hope this helps with your questions regarding the two planes. > > Best Regards > Carlos G > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "propwash" > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:24 AM > Subject: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The > Challenger > > >> >> Does anyone have any experience with the Quad City Challenger (2 >> seat model) and the Kolb Firestar II - in terms of similiar flight >> characteristics. I have a half a dozen hours in the Challenger >> (long wing model) and am considering purchasing a FS II. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150824#150824 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:39 PM PST US From: "beauford T" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Took a "BFR" in a Challenger II a short while ago.... My distinct impression was that the rudder was only loosely affiliated with the remainder of the airplane... and that the relationship was somewhat antagonistic... Stick with the Kolbs... Worth what ye paid fer it... beauford FF076 Brandon FL Do not archive... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cottrell" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 8:29 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Subject: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger > > Does anyone have any experience with the Quad City Challenger (2 seat > model) and the Kolb Firestar II - in terms of similiar flight > characteristics. I have a half a dozen hours in the Challenger (long wing > model) and am considering purchasing a FS II. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I took my Sport Pilot test in a Challenger, and I own a Firestar II. I would not trade at all. The only thing positive that I can say about the Challenger is that it is relatively easy to land. Other than that no real comparison for me, they are just not as much fun to fly. Larry C Do not archive ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:14:39 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Elevator trim tab information needed From: "JetPilot" [quote="planecrazzzy"]Oooooh, I see , you know everything....and "I'm" a liar Whatever... .. .. Gotta Fly... Like I said, even if you were able to get a motor to get into a back and fourth failure mode, a trim surface is geared down so far, the motor could NEVER move it back and fourth fast enough to cause flutter. A fialure mode that could cause a motor to run back and forth rapidly is a servo motor application, NOT trim motor Michael Sharp. Just because you might have seen one vibrate does not mean that this type of behavior translates to trim motors. Even in the worst case scenario if you intentionally induced a trim motor to run back and forth as fast as it could be commanded to, it would never be fast enough to equate to the trim surface moving back and forth fast enough to be flutter. Ever seen how slow an electric trim operates ? Flutter is something that happens many times each second. PlaneCrazzy, said you were wrong, which you are. Why you are trying to turn this around into " Calling you a liar " is beyond me, you need to re-read what I wrote, no offense was intended. Also, I never claimed to know everything, but I do know about this subject, which is exactly why I posted in this thread. Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150912#150912 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:18:31 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: need advice on extra fuel tank hook up If plastic really worries you, look into aluminum irrigation tubing. Several different diameters available, up to at least 6" (I just built a hangar door using it). You'll probably have to make your own end caps, but with Proseal sealant & closed end pop rivets, construction would be fairly simple. Charlie Richard Pike wrote: > > We made up a test length of pipe and capped it off, filled it with gas > and let it set for several days. Then dumped the gas out and and > immediately checked it for softness or deterioration of the glue joint. > Nothing noted, but that doesn't mean it won't go bad in ten years... > > Richard Pike > MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) > > > Jim ODay wrote: >> >> Richard: >> >> Did you ever have any problems with PVC and gasoline? I have seen >> where PVC has dissolved in gasoline and fuel oil piping installations. >> >> Yours is a nifty set-up. Every plane I have owned could use more tanks. >> >> Fly safe, >> >> Jim >> >> do not archive >> >> -------- >> Jim O'Day >> Fargo, ND >> Firestar II >> >> ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:18 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger From: "propwash" One of the posters mentioned that I should practice on a wide runnway? Is there any reason for that? Do you need a wider runway than normal with a Kolb? I have heard that when the plane gets up on both mains it has a desire to swerve to the right. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150929#150929 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:10 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger In a message dated 12/6/2007 8:17:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, indyaviator@gmail.com writes: 12. Tail draggers are cool. Bryn, Very good report. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:54 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Nothing that the rudder won't handle... easily. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) propwash wrote: > > One of the posters mentioned that I should practice on a wide runnway? Is there any reason for that? Do you need a wider runway than normal with a Kolb? I have heard that when the plane gets up on both mains it has a desire to swerve to the right. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150929#150929 > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:46 PM PST US From: WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger In a message dated 12/6/2007 10:39:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lasvegas890@gmail.com writes: Do you need a wider runway than normal with a Kolb? Hi there Propwash, Don't let the tail dragger handling comments scare you. Homer designed the Kolbs with the main gear located further aft, than say, a Piper Cub, so it doesn't act the same way. The Kolb handles very gently on the ground. I learned to fly my Kolb FireStar by following the instructions in the builders manual. First, I taxied a lot to get the feel of the rudder and tail wheel action. Time spent taxiing also helps to get familiar with the throttle positioning needed to make the plane move, and the seating position in reference to the ground. Then I started doing crow hops. Just add enough throttle to get it moving and when it comes off the ground, just slightly reduce the throttle and the plane will settle right down onto the ground again. Always treat the throttle gently. You will find that the Kolbs are light on the tail, so you have to have the stick back whenever you add much throttle, lest the prop thrust will push the plane over onto its nose. Won't hurt the plane much if you do; just your pride :) Do your practicing on a calm day and after you get proficient at crow hops, it's time to go around the pattern. On landing, carry some power (3000~3500 RPM) and keep the airspeed up. When you reach ground level you'll be in the same position as you were when you did the crow hops, so land it the same way as you did then. One other thing, if you are using the original design tail wheel, you will find that the Kolb will not turn very sharp. In order to make a U-turn on the runway, you have to get all the way over to the edge of the runway before starting your turn. This is the only time that you will need that WIDER runway. Worked for me. Bill Varnes Original Kolb FireStar Audubon NJ Do Not Archive **************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:02:45 PM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger I wondered about that too??? He must have been referring to a Challenger. If the builder didn't get the wheels aligned you might get one that swerves but this isn't normal. OK, yes if you grab a bunch of throttle at low speeds depending on the prop rotation it will turn on way or the other but it is after all a airplane. I also heard the strong advise to get tail wheel training. Yes Kolbs are tail wheel airplanes but they are the easiest tail wheel airplanes there are to fly. By all means get training but Kolbs steer more like a nose dragger. Its a real good idea to leave a bit of the E-Mail that you are responding to so we know what you are responding too. Again worth what you paid for it. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "propwash" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 10:38 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger > > One of the posters mentioned that I should practice on a wide runnway? Is > there any reason for that? Do you need a wider runway than normal with a > Kolb? I have heard that when the plane gets up on both mains it has a > desire to swerve to the right. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:23 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: FS II From: "propwash" I have about 5 hours in a Quad City Challenger. The balance of my hours (about 12 or so) is in a Quicksilver Sprint, single seat. The controls are about 80% rudder, 20% alierons. Perhaps its even more rudder. Is the Kolb Firestar more alieron centric than the Quicksilvers? Much like the Challenger. I'm not going to get any dual instructions it seems, unless I can find a MKIII around. Hence all the newbie questions. I'm a little worried about that first flight! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150949#150949 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:34:30 PM PST US From: "Carlos" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FS II Hi Prop, I would say that the Kolb is more balanced than that of a quicksilver say about 60% rudder and 40 % aileron. You still need to use both to make a turn but once the turn starts, the FS will track the turn quite well. I was flying a Maxair Drifter before I got my Kolb and I found the Kolb handled much better than the Drifter (My Apologies to Artie ! :-) ). The Kolb is a cleaner design then a Quicksilver or a Drifter and it just kind of grooves through the air. The tail wheel thing is really a non-event but I would still say get a bit of tail wheel practice if you can. I found the first time I was in a tailwheel plane I was caught off guard as the tail came up and I thought I was about to nose over ( This was in a Robertson B1RD ). Once you get aquainted with that sensation it really is not a big deal. The FS II tail normally doesnt come up very much so the sensation isnt really that noticeable. The rudder is responsive and has good positive control. If you have go solo, just pick a calm day and get lots of taxi practice in your Kolb and get comfortable with the plane before your first go around the patch. Best Regards Carlos G ----- Original Message ----- From: "propwash" Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2007 9:35 PM Subject: Kolb-List: FS II > > I have about 5 hours in a Quad City Challenger. The balance of my hours > (about 12 or so) is in a Quicksilver Sprint, single seat. The controls are > about 80% rudder, 20% alierons. Perhaps its even more rudder. Is the Kolb > Firestar more alieron centric than the Quicksilvers? Much like the > Challenger. I'm not going to get any dual instructions it seems, unless I > can find a MKIII around. Hence all the newbie questions. I'm a little > worried about that first flight! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=150949#150949 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.