---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/09/07: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:07 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (pj.ladd) 2. 04:51 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (pj.ladd) 3. 04:53 AM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (pj.ladd) 4. 05:02 AM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (pj.ladd) 5. 07:14 AM - winter (robert bean) 6. 07:34 AM - Re: Runway or wild boars...hmm (Ron) 7. 08:50 AM - Re: Redrive VW Engine Details (Richard & Martha Neilsen) 8. 08:52 AM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Wade Lawicki) 9. 09:13 AM - Re: AN hardware - Is there a replacement schedule or useful life (planecrazzzy) 10. 10:15 AM - Fw: winter (robert bean) 11. 12:03 PM - Re: winter (robert bean) 12. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: winter (Richard Pike) 13. 12:50 PM - Firestar with BRS - GPL starter (John H Murphy) 14. 01:05 PM - Re: Fw: winter (Eugene Zimmerman) 15. 01:33 PM - Re: Re: AN hardware - Is there a replacement schedule or useful life (gary aman) 16. 01:49 PM - Re: Fw: winter (possums) 17. 02:12 PM - Re: Re: winter (Russ Kinne) 18. 02:20 PM - Re: Fw: winter (planecrazzzy) 19. 03:25 PM - Re: Re: AN hardware - Is there a replacement schedule or useful life (John Hauck) 20. 03:49 PM - Re: Re: winter (John Hauck) 21. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: winter (russ kinne) 22. 06:38 PM - Flight Report (R. Hankins) 23. 06:54 PM - Re: Flight Report (planecrazzzy) 24. 07:19 PM - Re: Runway or wild boars...hmm (cristalclear13) 25. 07:20 PM - Re: Flight Report (Larry Bourne) 26. 08:51 PM - Re: Flight Report (R. Hankins) 27. 11:41 PM - BMW engine VS Rotax engine (Gale Ingle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:07:09 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger f you have a Challenger II with a lighter engine, no doors, and/or flying solo, then you may not experience any problems.>> Hi Dan, thats interesting. I had a 503, no doors and usually flew solo. When I took a passenger I usually contrived that it was a slim female so you could well be right about the C of G. I think the C of G limits for the Xtra are specified as further forward here than in the USA also. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:40 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger More of possible design flaws that have gone unchanged do to liability issues. They cant go back and say something was flawed without opening up litigation.>> Hi Wade, I dont think that there has been a history of problems with the Challenger over here. Of course there are not that many flying here compared to the numbers sold in the States. I find it difficult to think that there are basic flaws in the design. With our system it would never have been licensed to fly here at all if the PFA Engineering dept considered it dangerous. Granted that the design was introduced before we started using the tighter `Section S` standard but even then designs were scrutinised pretty carefully and many planes which had sold in their hundreds in other countries with no problems were not cleared for sale here. We dont have the same propensity over here to sue over every error imagined or real ( but we are getting there) so I cannot believe that would prevent an upgrade of the design taking place. Thanks for your input. Very nice to hear from someone with real experience who is not just passing on the rumours and half truths that exist. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:55 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger They have some good features no doubt, just not enough to prefer one over a Kolb.>> Hi Larry, well, I have a Kolb now so I guess that must make a statement. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:52 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger passenger with me once in one and all he complained about was there is not enough room for his feet>> Hi Ellery, Things were definitely awkward from the back seat unless you had fairly long legs as there was nowhere to put your feet ecept in the pedals. In my wifes case this meant that she had to slide right forward and then she could hardly see out. I only flew a pilot in the back seat once and he seemed to have no problems in control. My usual wandering up and down fifty feet and 10 degree wanderings off course suddenly damped out and the plane ran is if on rails. He was an R A F pilot with the Red Arrows ( like the Blue Angels but better Heh! Heh!) so that probably explained it. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:56 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: winter Apple-Mail-61--137318122-- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:04 AM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Runway or wild boars...hmm ---- cristalclear13 wrote: ============ We were thinking of making our long narrow strip of woods into a runway, but after seeing this guy show up near my front door I may just keep driving to the airport. We don't know how he got into our electric fence...it wasn't broken anywhere, but our goats sure were wondering "What the heck?!?!" [Shocked] -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=149231#149231 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/wild_boar_554.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/wild_boar_closeup2_436.jpg ====================================== Looks to me like the gods decided to add to your diet from just mere goat meat. :-) do not archive Ron kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:12 AM PST US From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Redrive VW Engine Details VW Guys I made a correction to the VW details. It pertains to the name/description of the oil sump. It is corrected below. Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard & Martha Neilsen" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Redrive VW Engine Details >I promise a few people that I would post this so. Here it is..... > > Reduction Drive VW Engine Details > Custom Built 2180cc VW Engine: New engine case with shuffle pins, chromoly > studs, Scat chromoly 82 mm crank and H beam chromoly rods. Engle 140HE > hydraulic cam with Scat 1.25 rockers. 92mm Cima pistons with Total Seal > 2nd ring, 044 heads with 37.5mm and 42mm valves with single heavy duty > valve springs, 30mm oil pump, Compression ratio app 7.8 to 1, 12 lb. 8 > dowel 6 volt flywheel. Great Plains Aircraft now sells nikasil cylinders, > they transfer 4 times the heat and weigh 10 lbs less. > Reduction Drive: Valley Engineering Series 3 Belt reduction drive 1.7 to 1 > ratio. > Electrical system: Direct drive 20 amp alternator that is made for the > Diehl accessory case. Great Plains Aircraft carries these parts. I also > use a 12 AH battery (TSC or Wall mart) it starts the engine down to about > 50 degrees then I have to give it some help with a charger. > > Fuel System: The reduction drive mounts were the fuel pump would be so I > installed a primary electric pump and a backup electric pump in series. I > use a Facet low pressure pump as the first in line after the gascolator as > the back up pump and then mounted a high quality rotary pump that has a > built in pressure regulator as the primary pump. I also have a gascolator > with a Curtis drain valve mounted at the low point of the fuel system with > the drain valve sticking out the side of the fuselage. I also have an > automotive fuel filter mounted between the gas collator and the back up > fuel pump. The Primary pump can be purchased at California Import Parts. > Oil Cooler and Filter: 24 plate Mesa style oil cooler. Its mounted on the > back of the fuselage cage and it works almost too well. The kit is > available at most VW stores > Oil Filler: The reduction drive also covers the oil filler so I drilled a > valve cover for a Stemco plug. The plug is a truck brake drum dust cover > and can be purchased at a truck parts store. > Crank Case Breather: The reduction drive comes with a crank case breather > but the big VW engines need to breathe more to keep the engine from > blowing oil. I installed a three port dune buggy breather kit that has > breather ports in each valve cover and port for the reduction drive > breather. Can be purchased at most VW stores. > > Ignition System: Compu-Fire Distributor less Electronic ignition system > with a VW 009 distributor as the timing source. Great Plains and most VW > shops carry it. > Tachometer: Originally I used a 4000 RPM electronic analog tachometer but > found that the operating range was just too close to the max on takeoff > and the pointer would just go to the peg. I now use a 3.5 inch digital > from Summit Racing. > > Prop: PowerFin three blade 72 inch model F. I having it cut down to 71 > inch but PowerFin is recomending a 70 inch now. > > Engine Mount Adapter: The Diehl accessory case has four mounting points > but the top two are cut off because they aren't used. Use the Diehl > accessory case with the 12 o'clock starter mount to clear the engine mount > and exhaust system. Great Plains Aircraft sells the Diehl case and a rear > drive adapter. The rear drive adapter is used for the other two mounting > points, but the alternator mount is cut off. > > Exhaust: I purchased a dune buggy four into one system with J pipes as a > starting point. They are already configured for best performance so why re > invent anything. I cut it and tack welded it together to fit around > everything. I got a muffler shop to bend a single pipe to fit and tack > welded it to the three bolt muffler flange. I didn't use the muffler > because it is too heavy and it really isn't that noisy. I sent the exhaust > system to a welding shop to have it done right. Later I sent the system to > a shop that ceramic coated the system inside and out. > Carburetor: I installed a pair of 44mm Webers with aluminum manifolds. Now > the better choice is a Progressive Webber with a four pipe intake system. > With this intake system you will need a carburetor heat system. Great > Plaines Aircraft carries the carburetor. > Engine Oil Sump: I added a Oil Suction Kit to lower the oil pickup point. > I was concerned about sucking air on high angles of attack like take off. > This is the only lowered sum that will fit using the Kolb/VW mount. I > drilled and tapped the sump for a oil quick drain valve, it is offset > towards the rear for engine mount clearance. Most VW shops carry the > suction kit. Summit Racing has the oil quick drain. > > Flywheel & Starter: The Diehl accessory case will need a flywheel with a > ring gear for a 6 volt starter because the only starter that fits the > Diehl accessory case is a custom 12 volt starter with a 6 volt type gear. > Also the Diehl alternator requires a centering recess turned in the > flywheel face and 5 bolt holes drilled and taped. Great Plains Aircraft > carries these parts already configured. > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:20 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger From: "Wade Lawicki" Pat, They now offer what is called a "High G kit" that patches some of the problem but, they don't say it is to fix a "PROBLEM". I have also seen some very large finlets for the tail that are advertised to help the rudder problem but i don't think they are sold by the factory, just someone who came up with a solution. IMHO with the challenger design there are too many "ducks" out of the row for me to want to own, fly or be a passenger in one. Fly Safe, Wade do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151319#151319 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:13:53 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: AN hardware - Is there a replacement schedule or useful life From: "planecrazzzy" Maybe there's some kind of info under army/navy bolts ??? Seems like if they show "wear" they could use replacing.... So far on mine....The a/n stuff looks good, the hole is what gets the wear. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN Building a plane in a WARM Garage... .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151323#151323 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:15:20 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: Fwd: winter ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:03:25 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: re: winter ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:33 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: winter Frustrating, isn't it? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) robert bean wrote: ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:50:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Firestar with BRS - GPL starter From: "John H Murphy" Does anyone have a Firestar with a BRS (cannister type unit) that has installed a GPL starter? I purchased the Rotax starter but did not have any room for the BRS. I ended up selling the starter. I'm thinking of revisiting the starter again with a purchase of the GPL starter. I think that will give me enough room to install the starter and keep the BRS. Would love to here from someone who has done it. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151349#151349 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:28 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: winter Bean, Total white out huh ? Cheer up,,,,,,,,,,,, only 20 weeks till spring. Gene On Dec 9, 2007, at 1:14 PM, robert bean wrote: > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:33:15 PM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: AN hardware - Is there a replacement schedule or useful life This may be unusual,but on the right side horizontal leading edge support on my MK-3,I had looseness in that connection.I got rid of almost all of the slop by replacing the AN-3 bolt.It had wear where it contacted the stainless bracket.The bolts are tough but not hard.If you can feel or see wear,replace them. G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200 290 hrs Maybe there's some kind of info under army/navy bolts ??? Seems like if they show "wear" they could use replacing.... So far on mine....The a/n stuff looks good, the hole is what gets the wear. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN Building a plane in a WARM Garage... .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151323#151323 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:13 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fwd: winter At 04:03 PM 12/9/2007, you wrote: > >Bean, > >Total white out huh ? >Cheer up,,,,,,,,,,,, only 20 weeks till spring. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:47 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: winter THIS IS BLANK!! On Dec 9, 2007, at 3:02 PM, robert bean wrote: > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:55 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Fwd: winter From: "planecrazzzy" Being from California....Living in Minne-sota Land... Here's "MY" thought about Winter... .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" -Building Buttercup STOL in WARM Garage in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151360#151360 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pictures_from_cd_002_175.jpg ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:10 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: AN hardware - Is there a replacement schedule or useful life G.Aman: I believe most of the initial wear on AN bolts is loss of the cadmium plating. It acts as a protector and lube. It is pretty soft and wears off the bolts that get slippage and vibration. john h mkIII I got rid of almost all of the slop by replacing the AN-3 bolt.It had wear where it contacted the stainless bracket.The bolts are tough but not hard. G.Aman MK-3C Jabiru 2200 290 hrs ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:30 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: winter > > THIS IS BLANK!! Russ K: Damn! Brilliant deduction. How did you figure that out? john h mkIII - Three flights in three days. Life is good and the temp is 63F. ;-) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:10:16 PM PST US From: russ kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: re: winter Glad you Appreciated my brilliant observation . Thought maybe the sender dint know he was shooting blanks. Enjoy your 63 degree weather! -- you really know how to hurt us poor Yankee boys; it's now about 34 and near-freezing rain . Lousy flying weather as I think you'll agree. Do you think it was ice that got that helicopter in AK? Enjoy your flying, you lucky dog! Russ K On Dec 9, 2007, at 6:33 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > >> >> THIS IS BLANK!! > > Russ K: > > Damn! > > Brilliant deduction. How did you figure that out? > > john h > mkIII - Three flights in three days. Life is good and the temp is > 63F. ;-) > > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:38:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Flight Report From: "R. Hankins" The fog finally lifted a bit Saturday morning. I hooked up the plane and headed for the airport. By the time I was unfolded and ready to go, the cieling had lifted to a safe level and a nice hole was forming over the airport. I took off and did two touch and goes as the engine hadn't run in over a month. With all in the green, I started climbing into the ever expanding hole. I finally found the top at 9000ft. It was quite cold but the view was worth it. There was an ocean of clouds in every direction. I could hear some air traffic at Roseburg (65 miles to the North) so there must have been a few other holes, but none close. The bright sun on those perfectly white clouds was breath taking. The top of Mount Shasta (95 miles to the South) was sticking up like an island. I floated around and took pictures for half an hour or so and then retreated to warmer air down below. I had a blast doing steep turns around some small isolated puffs and had to bust through a few of course. Flights like these are what my little Kolb is all about. I flew for one hour and burned just over three gallons of gas. I'll post a few pictures below..... -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151391#151391 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/the_hole_123.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/shasta_zoom_124.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/looking_west_189.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/through_the_hole_195.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/underneath_204.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:58 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Report From: "planecrazzzy" What'a View.... If you frame one of those pictures... You'll enjoy that flight every time you look at it.... .. .. Thanks fer sharing... .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in Brrrr MN .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151394#151394 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Runway or wild boars...hmm From: "cristalclear13" Ron, Boars from heaven? Could be. We had a Black Hawk and 24 Apache helicopters drop in from heaven this past weekend to our airport and gave our little town some excitement (and our airport some revenue). The 101st Airborne hit a wall of fog on their way to JAX so they stayed the night Friday night at our airport (AYS) and most the day Saturday until the weather cleared up in JAX. Since the troops were sitting around the terminal building looking bored (not "boar"ed Mike :) ), I urged my friend, retired AF Col. Tiahrt, to give them a little show with his gyrocopter. He has a RAF 2000 and that is what hooked me on flying. I get a ride as often as I can! The troops really enjoyed the show. Back during the "monster" fire the firefighters had fun watching the gyrocopter too and getting rides in it. They took a photo (attached) of the gyrocopter attached to the water "bucket" that the big Chinook helicopters were using to cool the flames. And so I got the idea to make the second photo (attached). -------- Cristal Mark II Twinstar Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151396#151396 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/firefighting_gyrocopter9_685.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/firefighting_gyrocopter1_886.jpg ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:19 PM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Flight Report Nice story and great pics, Roger, but it makes me nervous, too. I had a real bad experience with a "sucker hole" closing behind me when I was a freshly licensed private pilot in WA, back in '95. Thanks for sharing, and be careful. Lar. Do not Archive. (I'll ask it, too - is that still needed ?? Seldom see anyone use it anymore) R. Hankins wrote: > > The fog finally lifted a bit Saturday morning. I hooked up the plane and headed for the airport. By the time I was unfolded and ready to go, the cieling had lifted to a safe level and a nice hole was forming over the airport. I took off and did two touch and goes as the engine hadn't run in over a month. With all in the green, I started climbing into the ever expanding hole. > > I finally found the top at 9000ft. It was quite cold but the view was worth it. There was an ocean of clouds in every direction. I could hear some air traffic at Roseburg (65 miles to the North) so there must have been a few other holes, but none close. The bright sun on those perfectly white clouds was breath taking. The top of Mount Shasta (95 miles to the South) was sticking up like an island. I floated around and took pictures for half an hour or so and then retreated to warmer air down below. I had a blast doing steep turns around some small isolated ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:31 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flight Report From: "R. Hankins" Lar: Good advice. I'm very wary of sucker holes as well. This hole was about 5 miles wide and 10 miles long. It just looks smaller from 9000ft. I took most of my pictures along the edge and in a narrower arm, but I always had lots of open air at my back. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151405#151405 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:11 PM PST US From: Gale Ingle Subject: Kolb-List: BMW engine VS Rotax engine Good Morning Kolb Flyers, We are new comers to the LSA type of flying & would welcome all feed b ack. We are looking at 2 Mark 111 Classics. One has a 150 hrs BMW R-1100-S (98 HP) engine driving a Rotax C gear b ox (3.47:1) with a 71" Kiev 3 blade prop. The 2nd A/C has a 618 Rotax 20 hrs engine and airframe. Would like to hear pros & cons on both engines. 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