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1. 03:12 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Chall enger (pj.ladd)
2. 03:43 AM - Re: Re: Fw: winter (pj.ladd)
3. 04:19 AM - BRS location other than above the head (Lanny Fetterman)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (Thom Riddle)
5. 04:43 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (pj.ladd)
6. 05:56 AM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (George Alexander)
7. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (possums)
8. 08:30 AM - ultralight expolsion (Bryan Dever)
9. 11:09 AM - Rony Brackets? (grantr)
10. 12:24 PM - E-LSA ? (Ben Ransom)
11. 02:21 PM - Re: ultralight expolsion (TK)
12. 03:22 PM - Re: Rony Brackets? (Bob Noyer)
13. 03:45 PM - Re: Rony Brackets? (Larry Bourne)
14. 03:49 PM - Re: Rony Brackets? (Bob Noyer)
15. 04:27 PM - Re: E-LSA ? (Jim ODay)
16. 05:28 PM - Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (olendorf)
17. 05:40 PM - Re: E-LSA ? (planecrazzzy)
18. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (possums)
19. 09:20 PM - E Gearbox w. a FS II (John H Murphy)
20. 09:32 PM - Re: E Gearbox w. a FS II (Richard Pike)
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Chall |
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The other thing I learned was that when one grabs a wing tip and rocks
it up and down; every other part of the airframe was going in different
direction..kinda like a dog who has just gotten out of a pond! :-)
Herb
Hi Herb,
I had never thought of it in quite those terms but you are absolutely
right.
Pat :-)
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Here's "MY" thought about Winter>>
Damn, you sent your pic just too late. I have already sent most of my
Christmas Cards.
Pat :-)
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| Subject: | BRS location other than above the head |
Hi John, Give BRS a call. They are familiar with Kolb aircraft. Their phone
# is 651-457-7491 Lanny N598LF
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head |
Several years ago when I had my first original FS. It had a canister style BRS
mounted below the fuselage on the right hand side pointing aft and a bit to the
right. The harness path to the top of the cage was not a problem.
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Thom in Buffalo
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger |
IMHO with the challenger design there are too many "ducks" out of the row
for me to want to own, fly or be a passenger in one.>>
Hi Wade,
I think the whole question is pretty much decided over here now.
I bought one of the very first Challenger kits sold here. Since then there
have been several changes of dealership and I see that the franchise is up
for sale again in the last few weeks.
The design, like that of the Kolb, has been overtaken by the newer planes
now available and hardly any are now being sold.
Please everyone, don`t jump on me over my comments. I bought a Kolb because
I have always liked the look of them and fell in love when I saw a picture
tacked to a wall in a clubroom in my early flying days. But that was over 25
years agoand they haven`t changed.. If I had not let my heart rule my head I
would not have bought a Kolb but would have settled for a secondhand machine
with a newer, cleaner design. There are several available these days, with
better cruise speed, burning around 12 litres per hour, with doors that fit,
without a cranky flap system that digs in the back of your elbow, and a wing
fold system which beats the Kolb system hands down. The tendency seems to be
to put bigger and bigger engines and props on the Kolbs to coax a few more
mph out of it when what is needed is a redesign.
But, most of the newer machines are getting onto the `light aircraft`
bracket and I guess that I am an `ultralighter` at heart, and still hanker
after the low and slow and ( cheap?) philosophy which started the whole
ultralight thing so, come the Spring I shall be happy admiring the view
through that fabulous nose as I trundle around at 65 mph , refueling every
90 minutes or so but still happy and proud to be a Kolber when pilots walk
up to this strange anachronism at a fly in and say `What is it?"
Incidentally I put up an ultralight flight at an `Auction of Promises` for
the local church. It was sold for $200 to a guy who has never flown in a
small aircraft and I know that he will enjoy a flight with me in the Kolb
much more that he would being whipped off in an Ikarus at 120 mph.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger |
Pat:
Well said!
pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote:
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> But, most of the newer machines are getting onto the `light aircraft`
> bracket and I guess that I am an `ultralighter` at heart, and still hanker
> after the low and slow and ( cheap?) philosophy which started the whole
> ultralight thing so, come the Spring I shall be happy admiring the view
> through that fabulous nose as I trundle around at 65 mph , refueling every
> 90 minutes or so but still happy and proud to be a Kolber when pilots
> walk up to this strange anachronism at a fly in and say `What is it?"
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> Cheers
> Pat
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http://gtalexander.home.att.net
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head |
At 07:40 AM 12/11/2007, you wrote:
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>Several years ago when I had my first original FS. It had a canister
>style BRS mounted below the fuselage on the right hand side pointing
>aft and a bit to the right. The harness path to the top of the cage
>was not a problem.
>
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>Thom in Buffalo
Same here - where ever you put them they go --> back and
then up over your head anyway. At least that's what I'm told.
The BRS people have several approved places to install them
for Kolbs.
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| Subject: | ultralight expolsion |
This guy is nuts!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT3DeVEXXYo
Bryan Dever
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I've been reading all of these post regarding rony brackets in the Challenger Aircraft
being a weak link and possible cause of wing failure.
Can someone tell me what the difference is between a rony bracket and other brackets
like the strutted Phantoms use and the Hartaero airplanes.
Doug from Hart stated "No "rony" brackets are used on our aircraft. All of our
attach hardware are mounted in shear load in all important attach areas."
I know the Kolb has a totally different design for the strut attachment. It looks
pretty beefy on my MK III.
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Hi all,
I've been away from the Kolb list for quite a long time. I still fly my
Firestar KXP, but not real often as I'm pretty absorbed in building
another plane. I'm back with questions related to LSA -- sorry if these
have been covered here already. I decided to try to get my KXP
registered as E-LSA by the Jan 31 deadline. Is that the route most of
you Firestar single place builder/owners have taken? I decided to do
this late and may not get my inspection in time, but we'll see. I'm
also curious if anyone has found DARs to not approve of the clevis plus
cowling pins at all the main joints (lift struts, wing spar to cage,
tail cables). Any other E-LSA issues that you have encountered?
Thanks,
-Ben Ransom
http://mae.ucdavis.edu/ransom
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| Subject: | Re: ultralight expolsion |
Bryan Dever wrote:
> This guy is nuts!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT3DeVEXXYo
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> Bryan Dever
Bryan,
He is not only nuts but disgusting. As builder and creator of things my
whole life, I am always stun d when I witness unnecessary destruction of
things for someones perverted entertainment. Reminds me of the vogue
several years ago with the destroying of finely crafted guitars at the
end of rock concerts to the hoots and hollers of the crowd. Says
something about people with two much money and no real skill at
producing anything of quality, just destruction! Also about their
perverse idea of fun! They could never have built that fine guitar if
their life depended on it!!! Says something of about the crowds also!!!!!
Yes, it may have been an older, not in good shape ultralight, but there
are more productive ways of disposing of it. Thank goodness it wasn't a
Kolb! I do know, I don't want to meet or know the idiot hooping and
hollering during filming of the clip. He is a sub-species to me!
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Re: Rony Brackets? |
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| Subject: | Re: Rony Brackets? |
Hmmm............?? Must be specific to "Bobs." :-)
Lar. Do not Archive.
Bob Noyer wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: Rony Brackets? |
Clk this on 'net, Challenger AD"
16/7/07 - Information Alert - Lift strut attachment (rony) brackets
Information Alert - Lift strut attachment (rony) brackets
http://www.auf.asn.au/airworthiness/...20brackets.pdf
regards,
Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb
http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/
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Ben:
I took my FSII through the process. If you want a copy of my submittal to he FAA
send me an e-mail and I will send it to you. I followed the steps in the EAA
transition kit and the paperwork was smooth.
The inspector did a quick look around the plane and we went off to do the paperwork.
Since it had flown before, I was good to go w/o any additional flight testing.
Here is some history on the list - http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=31767&highlight
Good luck Ben. Your website was one of those that kept me motivated to complete
my plane.
Fly safe.
Jim
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head |
Perfect timing. I just ripped off the side fabric to fix a broken tube. Here
is where my chute is mounted.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
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Hey Ben,
Hows it goin.... I used your pictures for inspiration while
building my Firestar II.....Been flying it a few years now...
I'm also working on a new plane - Tube & Rag
"Buttercup" (Steve Wittman)
With "Slats" for slower STOL
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Engine Model.................O-200
Engine Horsepower........100
Propeller.......................66/55
Cruise Speed.................125 mph
Top Speed.....................145 mph
Landing Speed................40 mph
Maximum Speed(Vne)...150 mph
Stall (clean)......................51 mph
Rate of Climb.............550 ft./min
Gross Weight............1290 Pounds
Empty Weight............790 Pounds
Payload.....................500 Pounds
Wing Span....................29'5"
Wing Area....................132 sq.ft.
Aircraft Length.............19' 6"
Fuselage Height............Cabin 44"
Fuel Capacity..............20 Gallons
Seats 2..............(side-by-side)
Cabin Width..................40"
Takeoff Distance............300 feet
Landing Distance...........200 feet
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*************ATTENTION***************
ALSO , See the Pictures at "WINGS FORUM"
Go to "links" on this site,
At Wings, Log-in to see Pictures in "WITTMAN" section
( always being updated with NEW Pictures )
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Buttercup-STOL/
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head |
At 08:27 PM 12/11/2007, you wrote:
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>Perfect timing. I just ripped off the side fabric to fix a broken
>tube. Here is where my chute is mounted.
>
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>Scott Olendorf
>Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
>Schenectady, NY
It will fit underneath the boom tube and leave room for gas tanks
or storage on top. But ...I know that everybody does it different.
Both ways will work, and if you're not in a hanger, then you need to
protect the BRS from the elements and yours does it better than mine.
However - you would not believe what these systems can withstand
and still work. Like being 6 years old and crashed in a lake & under
water for over 24 hours - hauled out and (what the hell) fired off!
Guess what - it still worked like a charm.
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| Subject: | E Gearbox w. a FS II |
Has anybody used the Rotax E Gearbox with their FS II? Any issues in doing so?
I want to keep my BRS in the usual place (above the pilot seat) and have an electric
starter that does not get in the way.
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| Subject: | Re: E Gearbox w. a FS II |
Yes, but it's doable. We are using a 582, but a 503 will have the same
issues. The engine has to go up and back to make everything fit.
Pictures tomorrow.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
John H Murphy wrote:
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> Has anybody used the Rotax E Gearbox with their FS II? Any issues in doing so?
I want to keep my BRS in the usual place (above the pilot seat) and have an
electric starter that does not get in the way.
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