---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/11/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:12 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Chall enger (pj.ladd) 2. 03:43 AM - Re: Re: Fw: winter (pj.ladd) 3. 04:19 AM - BRS location other than above the head (Lanny Fetterman) 4. 04:41 AM - Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (Thom Riddle) 5. 04:43 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (pj.ladd) 6. 05:56 AM - Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (George Alexander) 7. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (possums) 8. 08:30 AM - ultralight expolsion (Bryan Dever) 9. 11:09 AM - Rony Brackets? (grantr) 10. 12:24 PM - E-LSA ? (Ben Ransom) 11. 02:21 PM - Re: ultralight expolsion (TK) 12. 03:22 PM - Re: Rony Brackets? (Bob Noyer) 13. 03:45 PM - Re: Rony Brackets? (Larry Bourne) 14. 03:49 PM - Re: Rony Brackets? (Bob Noyer) 15. 04:27 PM - Re: E-LSA ? (Jim ODay) 16. 05:28 PM - Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (olendorf) 17. 05:40 PM - Re: E-LSA ? (planecrazzzy) 18. 07:12 PM - Re: Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (possums) 19. 09:20 PM - E Gearbox w. a FS II (John H Murphy) 20. 09:32 PM - Re: E Gearbox w. a FS II (Richard Pike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:22 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Chall enger The other thing I learned was that when one grabs a wing tip and rocks it up and down; every other part of the airframe was going in different direction..kinda like a dog who has just gotten out of a pond! :-) Herb Hi Herb, I had never thought of it in quite those terms but you are absolutely right. Pat :-) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:35 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Fwd: winter Here's "MY" thought about Winter>> Damn, you sent your pic just too late. I have already sent most of my Christmas Cards. Pat :-) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:19:16 AM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: BRS location other than above the head Hi John, Give BRS a call. They are familiar with Kolb aircraft. Their phone # is 651-457-7491 Lanny N598LF Do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:28 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head From: "Thom Riddle" Several years ago when I had my first original FS. It had a canister style BRS mounted below the fuselage on the right hand side pointing aft and a bit to the right. The harness path to the top of the cage was not a problem. -------- Thom in Buffalo N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Finance is the art of passing money from hand to hand until it finally disappears. - Robert W. Sarnoff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151638#151638 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:10 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger IMHO with the challenger design there are too many "ducks" out of the row for me to want to own, fly or be a passenger in one.>> Hi Wade, I think the whole question is pretty much decided over here now. I bought one of the very first Challenger kits sold here. Since then there have been several changes of dealership and I see that the franchise is up for sale again in the last few weeks. The design, like that of the Kolb, has been overtaken by the newer planes now available and hardly any are now being sold. Please everyone, don`t jump on me over my comments. I bought a Kolb because I have always liked the look of them and fell in love when I saw a picture tacked to a wall in a clubroom in my early flying days. But that was over 25 years agoand they haven`t changed.. If I had not let my heart rule my head I would not have bought a Kolb but would have settled for a secondhand machine with a newer, cleaner design. There are several available these days, with better cruise speed, burning around 12 litres per hour, with doors that fit, without a cranky flap system that digs in the back of your elbow, and a wing fold system which beats the Kolb system hands down. The tendency seems to be to put bigger and bigger engines and props on the Kolbs to coax a few more mph out of it when what is needed is a redesign. But, most of the newer machines are getting onto the `light aircraft` bracket and I guess that I am an `ultralighter` at heart, and still hanker after the low and slow and ( cheap?) philosophy which started the whole ultralight thing so, come the Spring I shall be happy admiring the view through that fabulous nose as I trundle around at 65 mph , refueling every 90 minutes or so but still happy and proud to be a Kolber when pilots walk up to this strange anachronism at a fly in and say `What is it?" Incidentally I put up an ultralight flight at an `Auction of Promises` for the local church. It was sold for $200 to a guy who has never flown in a small aircraft and I know that he will enjoy a flight with me in the Kolb much more that he would being whipped off in an Ikarus at 120 mph. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:56:17 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger From: "George Alexander" Pat: Well said! pj.ladd(at)btinternet.com wrote: > > > > > But, most of the newer machines are getting onto the `light aircraft` > bracket and I guess that I am an `ultralighter` at heart, and still hanker > after the low and slow and ( cheap?) philosophy which started the whole > ultralight thing so, come the Spring I shall be happy admiring the view > through that fabulous nose as I trundle around at 65 mph , refueling every > 90 minutes or so but still happy and proud to be a Kolber when pilots > walk up to this strange anachronism at a fly in and say `What is it?" > > > > Cheers > Pat -------- George Alexander http://gtalexander.home.att.net Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151650#151650 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:01 AM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head At 07:40 AM 12/11/2007, you wrote: > >Several years ago when I had my first original FS. It had a canister >style BRS mounted below the fuselage on the right hand side pointing >aft and a bit to the right. The harness path to the top of the cage >was not a problem. > >-------- >Thom in Buffalo Same here - where ever you put them they go --> back and then up over your head anyway. At least that's what I'm told. The BRS people have several approved places to install them for Kolbs. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:16 AM PST US From: "Bryan Dever" Subject: Kolb-List: ultralight expolsion This guy is nuts! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT3DeVEXXYo Bryan Dever ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:49 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Rony Brackets? From: "grantr" I've been reading all of these post regarding rony brackets in the Challenger Aircraft being a weak link and possible cause of wing failure. Can someone tell me what the difference is between a rony bracket and other brackets like the strutted Phantoms use and the Hartaero airplanes. Doug from Hart stated "No "rony" brackets are used on our aircraft. All of our attach hardware are mounted in shear load in all important attach areas." I know the Kolb has a totally different design for the strut attachment. It looks pretty beefy on my MK III. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151705#151705 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:24:47 PM PST US From: Ben Ransom Subject: Kolb-List: E-LSA ? Hi all, I've been away from the Kolb list for quite a long time. I still fly my Firestar KXP, but not real often as I'm pretty absorbed in building another plane. I'm back with questions related to LSA -- sorry if these have been covered here already. I decided to try to get my KXP registered as E-LSA by the Jan 31 deadline. Is that the route most of you Firestar single place builder/owners have taken? I decided to do this late and may not get my inspection in time, but we'll see. I'm also curious if anyone has found DARs to not approve of the clevis plus cowling pins at all the main joints (lift struts, wing spar to cage, tail cables). Any other E-LSA issues that you have encountered? Thanks, -Ben Ransom http://mae.ucdavis.edu/ransom ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:46 PM PST US From: TK Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ultralight expolsion Bryan Dever wrote: > This guy is nuts! > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT3DeVEXXYo > > Bryan Dever Bryan, He is not only nuts but disgusting. As builder and creator of things my whole life, I am always stun d when I witness unnecessary destruction of things for someones perverted entertainment. Reminds me of the vogue several years ago with the destroying of finely crafted guitars at the end of rock concerts to the hoots and hollers of the crowd. Says something about people with two much money and no real skill at producing anything of quality, just destruction! Also about their perverse idea of fun! They could never have built that fine guitar if their life depended on it!!! Says something of about the crowds also!!!!! Yes, it may have been an older, not in good shape ultralight, but there are more productive ways of disposing of it. Thank goodness it wasn't a Kolb! I do know, I don't want to meet or know the idiot hooping and hollering during filming of the clip. He is a sub-species to me! Terry - FireFly #95 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:05 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rony Brackets? ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:15 PM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rony Brackets? Hmmm............?? Must be specific to "Bobs." :-) Lar. Do not Archive. Bob Noyer wrote: ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:07 PM PST US From: Bob Noyer Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Rony Brackets? Clk this on 'net, Challenger AD" 16/7/07 - Information Alert - Lift strut attachment (rony) brackets Information Alert - Lift strut attachment (rony) brackets http://www.auf.asn.au/airworthiness/...20brackets.pdf regards, Bob N. FireFly 070 Old Kolb http://www.angelfire.com/rpg/ronoy/ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:47 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: E-LSA ? From: "Jim ODay" Ben: I took my FSII through the process. If you want a copy of my submittal to he FAA send me an e-mail and I will send it to you. I followed the steps in the EAA transition kit and the paperwork was smooth. The inspector did a quick look around the plane and we went off to do the paperwork. Since it had flown before, I was good to go w/o any additional flight testing. Here is some history on the list - http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=31767&highlight Good luck Ben. Your website was one of those that kept me motivated to complete my plane. Fly safe. Jim -------- Jim O'Day Fargo, ND Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151763#151763 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:28:30 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head From: "olendorf" Perfect timing. I just ripped off the side fabric to fix a broken tube. Here is where my chute is mounted. -------- Scott Olendorf Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop Schenectady, NY http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151768#151768 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/chute2_131.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/chute1_506.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:07 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: E-LSA ? From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Ben, Hows it goin.... I used your pictures for inspiration while building my Firestar II.....Been flying it a few years now... I'm also working on a new plane - Tube & Rag "Buttercup" (Steve Wittman) With "Slats" for slower STOL .. Engine Model.................O-200 Engine Horsepower........100 Propeller.......................66/55 Cruise Speed.................125 mph Top Speed.....................145 mph Landing Speed................40 mph Maximum Speed(Vne)...150 mph Stall (clean)......................51 mph Rate of Climb.............550 ft./min Gross Weight............1290 Pounds Empty Weight............790 Pounds Payload.....................500 Pounds Wing Span....................29'5" Wing Area....................132 sq.ft. Aircraft Length.............19' 6" Fuselage Height............Cabin 44" Fuel Capacity..............20 Gallons Seats 2..............(side-by-side) Cabin Width..................40" Takeoff Distance............300 feet Landing Distance...........200 feet .. .. *************ATTENTION*************** ALSO , See the Pictures at "WINGS FORUM" Go to "links" on this site, At Wings, Log-in to see Pictures in "WITTMAN" section ( always being updated with NEW Pictures ) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Buttercup-STOL/ Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151771#151771 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/picture1_1_759.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:10 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head At 08:27 PM 12/11/2007, you wrote: > >Perfect timing. I just ripped off the side fabric to fix a broken >tube. Here is where my chute is mounted. > >-------- >Scott Olendorf >Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop >Schenectady, NY It will fit underneath the boom tube and leave room for gas tanks or storage on top. But ...I know that everybody does it different. Both ways will work, and if you're not in a hanger, then you need to protect the BRS from the elements and yours does it better than mine. However - you would not believe what these systems can withstand and still work. Like being 6 years old and crashed in a lake & under water for over 24 hours - hauled out and (what the hell) fired off! Guess what - it still worked like a charm. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:27 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: E Gearbox w. a FS II From: "John H Murphy" Has anybody used the Rotax E Gearbox with their FS II? Any issues in doing so? I want to keep my BRS in the usual place (above the pilot seat) and have an electric starter that does not get in the way. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151800#151800 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:34 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: E Gearbox w. a FS II Yes, but it's doable. We are using a 582, but a 503 will have the same issues. The engine has to go up and back to make everything fit. Pictures tomorrow. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) John H Murphy wrote: > > Has anybody used the Rotax E Gearbox with their FS II? Any issues in doing so? I want to keep my BRS in the usual place (above the pilot seat) and have an electric starter that does not get in the way. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151800#151800 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.