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1. 03:07 AM - Re: Duplication (pj.ladd)
2. 03:21 AM - Re: Landing in High Grass (John Hauck)
3. 03:24 AM - Re: Duplication (John Hauck)
4. 04:57 AM - Re: Real Airplanes (Dave Rains)
5. 09:22 AM - Re: Landing in High Grass (Ben Ransom)
6. 11:24 AM - Re: Duplication (pj.ladd)
7. 03:04 PM - Re: Landing in High Grass (LEE CREECH)
8. 04:32 PM - Kolb-list test message (Bill Vincent)
9. 04:37 PM - Re: Kolb-list test message (thumb)
10. 06:21 PM - Got Through (Bill Vincent)
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When is the big day to fly your Kolb?>>
Ouch! John you really know how to hurt. As soon as I can get a starter
motor fitted, the couple of inches of water drained from my strip,
visibility of more than a couple of hundred yards. Any time now in
fact. Har Har
Have a good holiday
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Landing in High Grass |
> OK John H, I guess my comment deserves an explanation.
>
> Rick Neilsen
Rick N:
Cut some of those trees on the east end of your strip and you will be able
to land and take off into the wind, either east or west.
john h
mkIII
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Patrick:
What is wrong with the starter motor?
Will you be flying a Prince P Tip Prop? I can not remember which prop
you are flying.
john h
mkIII
As soon as I can get a starter motor fitted, the couple of inches of
water drained from my strip, visibility of more than a couple of hundred
yards.
Pat
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| Subject: | Re: Real Airplanes |
As you know, I own/fly a C175 and occasionally fly Will's Firestar II. Each has
it's place, I use the Cessna to go places, and for work, but nothing beats
a Kolb for pure enjoyment :D By the way, I can reduce power in the Skylark to
5 gph at 90 mph [Wink] or cruise 125k at 9.5 gph. Not bad for a spam can.
I pull all my own maintenance with a IA sign off, and annual inspections run
about $450.00 a year.
Also, we have many UL's based at T27, and they are all treated with the same respect
as any other aircraft.
See you at Monument Valley!
Skeeter
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Dave Rains
N8086T
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152494#152494
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| Subject: | Re: Landing in High Grass |
Dave,
The nice part about it being your own field is that you can experiment,
and also know how it is each time.
I've nosed over in ~10" grass and most of it wasn't very thick. This on
17" tundra tires, taxiing from shorter (~6") and sparser grass where I
landed. The nose-over was nearly nothing because of very slow speed. A
very similar thing happened long ago on dry mud; I broke through a crust
layer when slowing down to nearly stopped. It's a big concern to me,
partly for the nose-over at speed, and partly for what may be obstructed
by the grass. It definitely pays to check with sure visuals and some
touches on fields not designed for anything besides jackrabbits,
especially when they are green instead of dry. (Green almost always
means soft dirt or mud too.) Again, great advantage in simply gaining
some experience on your own field -- if it wants to nose over at slow
taxi, I wouldn't want to land on it. Obviously, the high thrust line
works against us for taxi, so in a way knowing that point of trouble
means landing and no power on the same stuff is likely within bounds.
-Ben
FS KXP
Dave Bigelow wrote:
>
> My grass strip is short and has a 20 foot elevation difference from one end to
the other. I take off downhill and land uphill due to obstructions near the
uphill end. I mow the strip about 20 feet wide and have smooth ground next to
the mowed part with about 6 inch high grass.
>
> Sometimes when I come back from a flight, the wind has come up, and I have as
much as a 10 mph tailwind, which makes stopping, even uphill a bit of a challenge.
>
> I've been thinking of using the mowed portion for takeoff, but landing in the
grass next to the mowed portion to help stop. I'm not sure how high the grass
would have to be to become a noseover danger while rolling out.
>
> Here's the question: How high can the grass be before it becomes too high to
safely land on? I'm sure there is a lot of experience out there, good and bad
- sure would like to hear the stories.
>
> --------
> Dave Bigelow
> Kamuela, Hawaii
> FS2, HKS 700E
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152300#152300
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>
>
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What is wrong with the starter motor?>>
Hi John,
wouldn`t turn the prop in spite of fully charged battery. When removed
it was impossible to turn by hand. It is with the Jabiru importers at
the moment. Should be back anytime.
Will you be flying a Prince P Tip Prop? I can not remember which prop
you are flying.>>
When I have done some flying with the standard prop I may change. Mick
Moulai, our importer speaks highly of the P Tip.
Just to add to the list of reasons why I am not flying .. When the
physio gets me free of the trapped sciatic nerve which has been giving
me gee up for the last 10 days. As I am up to my eyeballs with pain
killers with strict orders not to drive or operate any machinery I think
flying will be on the back burner for a day or two.
Christmas parties have started too. 3 in the last 24 hours So alcohol
and pain killers dont mix...heh ..heh
Pity though. About half way through the morning today the sun came out
and transformed everything. Blue sky ,nil wind, vizibility improved.
Temps just above freezing. I wish it would freeze hard enough to freeze
my strip solid, we have had torrential rain in the last couple of weeks
and the ground is saturated. It only takes a light shower and the fields
are running with water.
No doubt it will all come good soon.
Cheers
Pat
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| Subject: | Landing in High Grass |
For what it's worth, I once (inadvertently) landed my Firestar II in thick
knee-high fescue with no ill effects. There was a lot of the stuff wrapped
around the axles, brake cables and stablizer wires, but no noseover. It pr
obably helped that it was a power-off, full-stall landing into a short fiel
d. And yes, it was a VERY short rollout, but still probably not a procedur
e to be recommended.
Lee
> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:22:19 -0800> From: bransom@ucdavis.edu> To: kol
b-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing in High Grass> > -->
Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom <bransom@ucdavis.edu>> > Dave,> The
nice part about it being your own field is that you can experiment, > and
also know how it is each time. > I've nosed over in ~10" grass and most of
it wasn't very thick. This on > 17" tundra tires, taxiing from shorter (~6"
) and sparser grass where I > landed. The nose-over was nearly nothing beca
use of very slow speed. A > very similar thing happened long ago on dry mud
; I broke through a crust > layer when slowing down to nearly stopped. It's
a big concern to me, > partly for the nose-over at speed, and partly for w
hat may be obstructed > by the grass. It definitely pays to check with sure
visuals and some > touches on fields not designed for anything besides jac
krabbits, > especially when they are green instead of dry. (Green almost al
ways > means soft dirt or mud too.) Again, great advantage in simply gainin
g > some experience on your own field -- if it wants to nose over at slow >
taxi, I wouldn't want to land on it. Obviously, the high thrust line > wor
ks against us for taxi, so in a way knowing that point of trouble > means l
anding and no power on the same stuff is likely within bounds.> -Ben> FS KX
<up_country@hotmail.com>> >> > My grass strip is short and has a 20 foot e
levation difference from one end to the other. I take off downhill and land
uphill due to obstructions near the uphill end. I mow the strip about 20 f
eet wide and have smooth ground next to the mowed part with about 6 inch hi
gh grass.> >> > Sometimes when I come back from a flight, the wind has come
up, and I have as much as a 10 mph tailwind, which makes stopping, even up
hill a bit of a challenge.> >> > I've been thinking of using the mowed port
ion for takeoff, but landing in the grass next to the mowed portion to help
stop. I'm not sure how high the grass would have to be to become a noseove
r danger while rolling out.> >> > Here's the question: How high can the gra
ss be before it becomes too high to safely land on? I'm sure there is a lot
of experience out there, good and bad - sure would like to hear the storie
s.> >> > --------> > Dave Bigelow> > Kamuela, Hawaii> > FS2, HKS 700E> >> >
> >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/vi
=======================> > >
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| Subject: | Kolb-list test message |
I am experiencing problems sending the Kolb list messages, they are not
going through. I have unsubscribed - then-subscribed---received the
confirmation letter of the subscription and still the messages I had
sent the last 2 days have not gone through.
Hopefully this one will and the problem will be solved.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-list test message |
Hey Bill you are on the list...
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Vincent
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb-list test message
I am experiencing problems sending the Kolb list messages, they are
not going through. I have unsubscribed - then-subscribed---received the
confirmation letter of the subscription and still the messages I had
sent the last 2 days have not gone through.
Hopefully this one will and the problem will be solved.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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Hi Gang
I finally broke through :-)
....looks like I'm one of the gang again!
Do Not Archive
Bill Vincent
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