---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/16/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:07 AM - Re: Duplication (pj.ladd) 2. 03:21 AM - Re: Landing in High Grass (John Hauck) 3. 03:24 AM - Re: Duplication (John Hauck) 4. 04:57 AM - Re: Real Airplanes (Dave Rains) 5. 09:22 AM - Re: Landing in High Grass (Ben Ransom) 6. 11:24 AM - Re: Duplication (pj.ladd) 7. 03:04 PM - Re: Landing in High Grass (LEE CREECH) 8. 04:32 PM - Kolb-list test message (Bill Vincent) 9. 04:37 PM - Re: Kolb-list test message (thumb) 10. 06:21 PM - Got Through (Bill Vincent) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:07:40 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Duplication When is the big day to fly your Kolb?>> Ouch! John you really know how to hurt. As soon as I can get a starter motor fitted, the couple of inches of water drained from my strip, visibility of more than a couple of hundred yards. Any time now in fact. Har Har Have a good holiday Pat ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:21:51 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing in High Grass > OK John H, I guess my comment deserves an explanation. > > Rick Neilsen Rick N: Cut some of those trees on the east end of your strip and you will be able to land and take off into the wind, either east or west. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:36 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Duplication Patrick: What is wrong with the starter motor? Will you be flying a Prince P Tip Prop? I can not remember which prop you are flying. john h mkIII As soon as I can get a starter motor fitted, the couple of inches of water drained from my strip, visibility of more than a couple of hundred yards. Pat ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:19 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Real Airplanes From: "Dave Rains" As you know, I own/fly a C175 and occasionally fly Will's Firestar II. Each has it's place, I use the Cessna to go places, and for work, but nothing beats a Kolb for pure enjoyment :D By the way, I can reduce power in the Skylark to 5 gph at 90 mph [Wink] or cruise 125k at 9.5 gph. Not bad for a spam can. I pull all my own maintenance with a IA sign off, and annual inspections run about $450.00 a year. Also, we have many UL's based at T27, and they are all treated with the same respect as any other aircraft. See you at Monument Valley! Skeeter -------- Dave Rains N8086T Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152494#152494 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:22:48 AM PST US From: Ben Ransom Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing in High Grass Dave, The nice part about it being your own field is that you can experiment, and also know how it is each time. I've nosed over in ~10" grass and most of it wasn't very thick. This on 17" tundra tires, taxiing from shorter (~6") and sparser grass where I landed. The nose-over was nearly nothing because of very slow speed. A very similar thing happened long ago on dry mud; I broke through a crust layer when slowing down to nearly stopped. It's a big concern to me, partly for the nose-over at speed, and partly for what may be obstructed by the grass. It definitely pays to check with sure visuals and some touches on fields not designed for anything besides jackrabbits, especially when they are green instead of dry. (Green almost always means soft dirt or mud too.) Again, great advantage in simply gaining some experience on your own field -- if it wants to nose over at slow taxi, I wouldn't want to land on it. Obviously, the high thrust line works against us for taxi, so in a way knowing that point of trouble means landing and no power on the same stuff is likely within bounds. -Ben FS KXP Dave Bigelow wrote: > > My grass strip is short and has a 20 foot elevation difference from one end to the other. I take off downhill and land uphill due to obstructions near the uphill end. I mow the strip about 20 feet wide and have smooth ground next to the mowed part with about 6 inch high grass. > > Sometimes when I come back from a flight, the wind has come up, and I have as much as a 10 mph tailwind, which makes stopping, even uphill a bit of a challenge. > > I've been thinking of using the mowed portion for takeoff, but landing in the grass next to the mowed portion to help stop. I'm not sure how high the grass would have to be to become a noseover danger while rolling out. > > Here's the question: How high can the grass be before it becomes too high to safely land on? I'm sure there is a lot of experience out there, good and bad - sure would like to hear the stories. > > -------- > Dave Bigelow > Kamuela, Hawaii > FS2, HKS 700E > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=152300#152300 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:07 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Duplication What is wrong with the starter motor?>> Hi John, wouldn`t turn the prop in spite of fully charged battery. When removed it was impossible to turn by hand. It is with the Jabiru importers at the moment. Should be back anytime. Will you be flying a Prince P Tip Prop? I can not remember which prop you are flying.>> When I have done some flying with the standard prop I may change. Mick Moulai, our importer speaks highly of the P Tip. Just to add to the list of reasons why I am not flying .. When the physio gets me free of the trapped sciatic nerve which has been giving me gee up for the last 10 days. As I am up to my eyeballs with pain killers with strict orders not to drive or operate any machinery I think flying will be on the back burner for a day or two. Christmas parties have started too. 3 in the last 24 hours So alcohol and pain killers dont mix...heh ..heh Pity though. About half way through the morning today the sun came out and transformed everything. Blue sky ,nil wind, vizibility improved. Temps just above freezing. I wish it would freeze hard enough to freeze my strip solid, we have had torrential rain in the last couple of weeks and the ground is saturated. It only takes a light shower and the fields are running with water. No doubt it will all come good soon. Cheers Pat ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:51 PM PST US From: LEE CREECH Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Landing in High Grass For what it's worth, I once (inadvertently) landed my Firestar II in thick knee-high fescue with no ill effects. There was a lot of the stuff wrapped around the axles, brake cables and stablizer wires, but no noseover. It pr obably helped that it was a power-off, full-stall landing into a short fiel d. And yes, it was a VERY short rollout, but still probably not a procedur e to be recommended. Lee > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:22:19 -0800> From: bransom@ucdavis.edu> To: kol b-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Landing in High Grass> > --> Kolb-List message posted by: Ben Ransom > > Dave,> The nice part about it being your own field is that you can experiment, > and also know how it is each time. > I've nosed over in ~10" grass and most of it wasn't very thick. This on > 17" tundra tires, taxiing from shorter (~6" ) and sparser grass where I > landed. The nose-over was nearly nothing beca use of very slow speed. A > very similar thing happened long ago on dry mud ; I broke through a crust > layer when slowing down to nearly stopped. It's a big concern to me, > partly for the nose-over at speed, and partly for w hat may be obstructed > by the grass. It definitely pays to check with sure visuals and some > touches on fields not designed for anything besides jac krabbits, > especially when they are green instead of dry. (Green almost al ways > means soft dirt or mud too.) Again, great advantage in simply gainin g > some experience on your own field -- if it wants to nose over at slow > taxi, I wouldn't want to land on it. Obviously, the high thrust line > wor ks against us for taxi, so in a way knowing that point of trouble > means l anding and no power on the same stuff is likely within bounds.> -Ben> FS KX > >> > My grass strip is short and has a 20 foot e levation difference from one end to the other. I take off downhill and land uphill due to obstructions near the uphill end. I mow the strip about 20 f eet wide and have smooth ground next to the mowed part with about 6 inch hi gh grass.> >> > Sometimes when I come back from a flight, the wind has come up, and I have as much as a 10 mph tailwind, which makes stopping, even up hill a bit of a challenge.> >> > I've been thinking of using the mowed port ion for takeoff, but landing in the grass next to the mowed portion to help stop. I'm not sure how high the grass would have to be to become a noseove r danger while rolling out.> >> > Here's the question: How high can the gra ss be before it becomes too high to safely land on? I'm sure there is a lot of experience out there, good and bad - sure would like to hear the storie s.> >> > --------> > Dave Bigelow> > Kamuela, Hawaii> > FS2, HKS 700E> >> > > >> >> > Read this topic online here:> >> > http://forums.matronics.com/vi =======================> > > _________________________________________________________________ i=92m is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:19 PM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb-list test message I am experiencing problems sending the Kolb list messages, they are not going through. I have unsubscribed - then-subscribed---received the confirmation letter of the subscription and still the messages I had sent the last 2 days have not gone through. Hopefully this one will and the problem will be solved. Bill Vincent FS II ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:32 PM PST US From: "thumb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Kolb-list test message Hey Bill you are on the list... Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Vincent To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb-list test message I am experiencing problems sending the Kolb list messages, they are not going through. I have unsubscribed - then-subscribed---received the confirmation letter of the subscription and still the messages I had sent the last 2 days have not gone through. Hopefully this one will and the problem will be solved. Bill Vincent FS II ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:07 PM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Kolb-List: Got Through Hi Gang I finally broke through :-) ....looks like I'm one of the gang again! 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