---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/22/07: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:03 AM - Re: Re: How do you like your FireFly? (N27SB@aol.com) 2. 05:35 AM - Mission Specific (N27SB@aol.com) 3. 09:51 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (neilsenrm@comcast.net) 4. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Jim Kmet) 5. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Richard Pike) 6. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (pj.ladd) 7. 11:30 AM - Re: Is this a Kolb? (pj.ladd) 8. 12:17 PM - FSII VS Drifter (Lanny Fetterman) 9. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (John Hauck) 10. 02:39 PM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (robert bean) 11. 02:52 PM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (John Hauck) 12. 03:02 PM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (Larry Cottrell) 13. 03:09 PM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (robert bean) 14. 05:26 PM - Re: How do you like your FireFly? (JetPilot) 15. 05:39 PM - per request some more pix of the M3X (Ron) 16. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Ron) 17. 06:36 PM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (Eugene Zimmerman) 18. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (DAquaNut@aol.com) 19. 07:20 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (DAquaNut@aol.com) 20. 07:41 PM - Okefenokee (Larry Bourne) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:17 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: How do you like your FireFly? In a message dated 12/21/2007 11:58:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ulflyer@verizon.net writes: The only people I ever hear talk about some planes >"having to much power" are pilots of doggy, sluggish airplanes that >are trying to convince themselves that a lack of power is a good thing. > >Mike Mike, the Firefly is a VERY Mission Specific aircraft, It was designed from the tires up to : Be Part 103 Use a 447 Be exciting to fly It is one of the few aircraft that meet that goal. (probably the only one) The Part 103 allowance Aircraft 254 Floats 60 BRS 24 ____________ Total 338 Mine weighs 337 A 447 vs a 503 is not an issue of too much power, it is one of too much vibrating mass. There is "Firefly" designed to use a 503 and be registered EAB. It is called a Firestar II. If you get a chance one day fly up to Bartow Airport and I will pick you up, It's about 3 miles. I can strap you into a Firefly with a 447 and a 60# handicap of floats. "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, It's the size of the fight in the dog." Mark Twain (My apologies to Bob N. if I got that wrong) Steve B Firefly 007/Floats do not archive **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:35:22 AM PST US From: N27SB@aol.com Subject: Kolb-List: Mission Specific _Click here: 20 Aqualane Dr, Winter Haven, FL 33880, USA - Google Maps_ (http://maps.google.com/maps?q +Aqualane+Dr,+Winter+Haven,+FL+33880,+USA&sa=X&oi map&ct=title) 150 feet, Glassy Water, No Pig Here My Playground, Notice all the lakes and also Lakeland Airport to the west. Click on the map link above. By the Way, Very few aircraft of any kind can be off and gone in 150' on Glassy water. Steve B Firefly 007/Floats **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:35 AM PST US From: neilsenrm@comcast.net Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to death???? Do not archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC "Kolb" -------------- Original message -------------- From: ross richardson I as J D have listened to the comments Kolb vs Challenger and had to say something.
Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to death????
 
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Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC "Kolb"
 
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From: ross richardson <smlplanet@msn.com>
I as J D have listened to the comments Kolb vs Challenger and had to say something.
________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:24:12 AM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Rick,doesn`t just about all the topics get beaten to death? The way around it it to ask specifically for facts on a subject, not opinions. : ) Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: neilsenrm@comcast.net To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 11:50 AM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to death???? Do not archive Rick Neilsen Redrive VW powered MKIIIC "Kolb" -------------- Original message -------------- From: ross richardson I as J D have listened to the comments Kolb vs Challenger and had to say something. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:14 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger What one person deems a fact, proved by objective experiment, is to someone else on the list nothing more than an opinion. Guess how I know this? Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Jim Kmet wrote: > Rick,doesn`t just about all the topics get beaten to death? The way > around it it to ask specifically for facts on a subject, not > opinions. : ) Jim > * > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:25 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to death???? >> Yes, yes, yes. yes. I really don`t know how I have been cast as the Challenger champion. Just because I flew one and it seemed to me that my experience was at odds with the often second hand stories which were being passed on as facts. I promise to stop. Incidentally I wonder how many Challengers were sold against the Kolbs? Cheers Pat :-) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:08 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Is this a Kolb? Not completely sure, but it looks like a Rans>> Hi Lar, love the comment from Manager of Emergency Services `In the circumstances the pilot made a near perfect landing`. Jeez, I would love to see a picture of what he considers a bad landing Cheers Pat :-) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:10 PM PST US From: Lanny Fetterman Subject: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter GOT YA, Merry Christmas to all, no matter what you fly! : ) Lanny Fetterman N598LF Do not archive! ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:56:55 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Patrick: Besides you, who really gives a big fat rat's ass? Merry Xmas and Happy New Year! ;-) Anonymous Kolb Builder/Pilot hauck's holler, alabama (hehehe) Incidentally I wonder how many Challengers were sold against the Kolbs? Pat :-) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:35 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter Lanny, you are aware that you are amidst the lonely, the desperate and the clueless here at the Kolb List. -otherwise we would be doing something a little more stimulating. BTW, I would LOVE to give a go at a flight in a Drifter. On a calm summer day of course. To all who are tuned in here, enjoy the short light holiday with all you hold close to your heart. BB On 22, Dec 2007, at 3:11 PM, Lanny Fetterman wrote: > > GOT YA, Merry Christmas to all, no matter what you fly! : ) Lanny > Fetterman N598LF Do not archive! > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:05 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter > To all who are tuned in here, enjoy the short light holiday with all > you hold close to your heart. > BB Hey Bob: Ain't no need gettin all mushy now, just cause it is Xmas. Pat your mkIII on the head and crank up the old Model A for me. Hope the snow is not too much more than belly button deep in your neck of the woods. Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to Bob Bean and the rest of the Kolb List. You too Jack H. Awe.......come on now, give us a smile Jack. We all love you. john h mkIII hauck's holler, alabama ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:26 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert bean" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter > > Lanny, you are aware that you are amidst the lonely, the desperate and > the clueless here at > the Kolb List. -otherwise we would be doing something a little more > stimulating. > > BTW, I would LOVE to give a go at a flight in a Drifter. On a calm > summer day of course. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Perhaps some of you will remember the Drifter take off from MV this last year by the friend of Arty's who had just purchased the plane from a friend. I think the key word is "calm summer day", as I recall he screamed like a little girl on the flight to Delta Utah. It took him four to five hours more to reach our destination than either Arty (single place drifter) or I (Kolb Firestar II). Larry C ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:39 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter As you may have suspected, I DO live in Lower Slobbovia, NY Thom Riddle is fortunate enough to be a suburbanite. http://www.lil-abner.com/slobovia.html BB, N3851E (originally issued in 1947, in my logbook since 1971) On 22, Dec 2007, at 5:50 PM, John Hauck wrote: > > > To all who are tuned in here, enjoy the short light holiday with all >> you hold close to your heart. >> BB > > > Hey Bob: > > Ain't no need gettin all mushy now, just cause it is Xmas. > > Pat your mkIII on the head and crank up the old Model A for me. > > Hope the snow is not too much more than belly button deep in your > neck of the woods. > > Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to Bob Bean and the rest of the Kolb > List. You too Jack H. Awe.......come on now, give us a smile > Jack. We all love you. > > john h > mkIII > hauck's holler, alabama > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:21 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: How do you like your FireFly? From: "JetPilot" Unfortunately, I can only have one Kolb... Being that my wife likes to fly, the MK-III Xtra was the logical choice for me, although I would like to try them all :) I also fly a 103 trike with a 447, its a nice setup, but some guys put 503's on them and say its a great upgrade ! As far as I am concerned, for flying around the local area, the smaller the plane, the more fun it is :) Mike -------- "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have !!! Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153746#153746 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:39:59 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: Kolb-List: per request some more pix of the M3X I think I am going to name my airplane the apogee, seems like a name that may help me to get it to fly. anyway here are some pictures. I had some others, however,,,,, I decided to upgrade my Mac to the latest OS called Leopard and it obliterated the iPhoto program. I can't find the pix from yesterday. They are in the camera so not lost. I'll try uploading them from the HP, maybe tomorrow. these are attachments so they should not slow anyone down. Ron Sierra Vista, Arizona ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:33 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger The only way to fully settle this issue is to have a Kolber and a Challenged get into their respective aerial chariots, fire them up and climb skyward. Each one at a different end of a runway. At an agreed up on altitude, and time noted by a red flare, they both advance their sky chariot's throttle to full power, and then speed towards each other at the most power that their warring machines can put out, and smash into the other fellow at full time speed inertia, and see who is the winner. Its also important that they tell some trusted friends who will with high resolution video camera record the event and then upload it onto U-tube. So any arguments that may occur as to who won can be settled factually by all observers. Now I want to make sure that I ad to allay any possibility of behind sued over this that I think its not a very good idea, and if it will be done it should be done in a land outside the United States, by foreign nationals maybe el quida types. Ron only 10 miles from the famous OK Corral, where men settled their differences in pretty much the same way. :-) do not archive Merry Christmas everybody ====================== ======================= ---- "uploaded" wrote: ============ Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to death???? >> Yes, yes, yes. yes. I really don`t know how I have been cast as the Challenger champion. Just because I flew one and it seemed to me that my experience was at odds with the often second hand stories which were being passed on as facts. I promise to stop. Incidentally I wonder how many Challengers were sold against the Kolbs? Cheers Pat :-) -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:01 PM PST US From: Eugene Zimmerman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter On Dec 22, 2007, at 5:29 PM, robert bean wrote: > BTW, I would LOVE to give a go at a flight in a Drifter. On a calm > summer day of course. Bob, They have great performance, with unrivaled visibility. Loads of fun ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, on a warm day? I have a nice one for sale. http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=d3jhg27_0fr7x2tcf PS I'm selling it to help support my Kolb habit. :^) do not archive ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:09:33 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger In a message dated 12/22/2007 12:24:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, jlsk1@frontiernet.net writes: Rick,doesn`t just about all the topics get beaten to death? The way around it it to ask specifically for facts on a subject, not opinions **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:16 PM PST US From: DAquaNut@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger In a message dated 12/22/2007 9:10:10 P.M. Central Standard Time, DAquaNut@aol.com writes: Rick,doesn`t just about all the topics get beaten to death? The way around it it to ask specifically for facts on a subject, not opinions Sorry to send this the first time it was unintentional. Ed Diebel FF 62 Merry Christmas All Do Not Archive **************************************See AOL's top rated recipes (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:01 PM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Kolb-List: Okefenokee Seems like a fella sent an email to the List a few weeks ago who mentioned he lives just north of Okefenokee in GA. Would that fella please email me off-List ? Thanks Lar. 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