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1. 05:47 AM - Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (planecrazzzy)
2. 07:17 AM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (Jack B. Hart)
3. 09:55 AM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (Charlie England)
4. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (Ron)
5. 10:45 AM - Ho! Ho! (herbgh@juno.com)
6. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (gary aman)
7. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (Mike Welch)
8. 12:08 PM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (robert bean)
9. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Ron)
10. 03:19 PM - Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (thumb)
11. 03:35 PM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (John Hauck)
12. 03:50 PM - Re: Ho! Ho! (John Hauck)
13. 04:12 PM - Re: Ho! Ho! (Richard Pike)
14. 04:44 PM - Kolb-List Help! How Many Hrs to Fabric a firestar cage ??? (bmwbikecrz@aol.com)
15. 04:49 PM - Re: Ho! Ho! (John Hauck)
16. 04:56 PM - Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (Ron)
17. 06:07 PM - Powder Coatings - after the fact (John H Murphy)
18. 06:16 PM - Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact (planecrazzzy)
19. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact (Larry Cottrell)
20. 10:46 PM - Re: How do you like your FireFly? (jim)
21. 10:52 PM - Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact (John H Murphy)
22. 11:32 PM - Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact (The BaronVonEvil)
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| Subject: | Re: per request some more pix of the M3X |
Hey Ron,
I the last picture ....I was looking at the "Nose cone"
Is it mounted at "THAT" angle ??????
Gotta Fly..
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: FSII VS Drifter |
At 04:50 PM 12/22/07 -0600, you wrote:
>
>Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to Bob Bean and the rest of the Kolb List.
>You too Jack H. Awe.......come on now, give us a smile Jack. We all love
>you.
>
:)
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| Subject: | Re: FSII VS Drifter |
Obviously, you're taking some literary license.
On the other hand, it's quite literally where I live.
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Slobovia+Outernational+airport&sll=32.49666,-90.294056&sspn=0.009411,0.020127&ie=UTF8&ll=32.492135,-90.291867&spn=0.009411,0.020127&t=h&z=15&iwloc=A&om=0
(or Google 'Slobovia Outernational Airport' in Google Maps)
That's my house & hangar at the 'lowest' point on the runway.
Charlie
robert bean wrote:
>
> As you may have suspected, I DO live in Lower Slobbovia, NY
> Thom Riddle is fortunate enough to be a suburbanite.
>
> http://www.lil-abner.com/slobovia.html
>
> BB, N3851E (originally issued in 1947, in my logbook since 1971)
>
> On 22, Dec 2007, at 5:50 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>>
>> > To all who are tuned in here, enjoy the short light holiday with all
>>> you hold close to your heart.
>>> BB
>>
>>
>> Hey Bob:
>>
>> Ain't no need gettin all mushy now, just cause it is Xmas.
>>
>> Pat your mkIII on the head and crank up the old Model A for me.
>>
>> Hope the snow is not too much more than belly button deep in your neck
>> of the woods.
>>
>> Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to Bob Bean and the rest of the Kolb
>> List. You too Jack H. Awe.......come on now, give us a smile Jack.
>> We all love you.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
>> hauck's holler, alabama
>>
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| Subject: | Re: per request some more pix of the M3X |
:-)
Hi Mike
I have gotten more than one question about it... laughing. The cone is held in
place by friction alone. Right under the main gear in the pix there is the bathroom
scales. I was weighing the frame and the motor for W&B in different positions.
I was sliding it back and forth to get a rough read on the weights. The
nose cone is not fastened at all, and in fact its now back occupying its dust
outlined space in the hanger. :-)
But you people are giving me an idea for a tilting nose under control as a form
of a canard!!!!!! laughing. that dude is bottom flat enough to in fact provide
lots of control authority, some winglets and some antennas on the sides will
make it look like a cat fish swimming in water.
But that is on the back burner as well, till I finish it.
Ron
Arizona
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Hey Ron,
I the last picture ....I was looking at the "Nose cone"
Is it mounted at "THAT" angle ??????
Gotta Fly..
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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Jack
If you want to send a zinger at Hauck...tell him that he does not fly a Kolb
!!! In the technical sense.. :-) Modified gear,fuselage and fuel capacity
come to mind... It is a Hauck MkIII...
Guess I do not either...I have single ,streamlined lift struts on my Firefly.
:-) Push comes to shove,hope I can get the weight back in line with pt 103..
:-) Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger |
Wait a minute! Doesn't that give the emotional edge to the guy with the BRS?
The only way to fully settle this issue is to have a Kolber and a Challenged get
into their respective aerial chariots, fire them up and climb skyward. Each
one at a different end of a runway. At an agreed up on altitude, and time noted
by a red flare, they both advance their sky chariot's throttle to full power,
and then speed towards each other at the most power that their warring machines
can put out, and smash into the other fellow at full time speed inertia, and
see who is the winner. Its also important that they tell some trusted friends
who will with high resolution video camera record the event and then upload
it onto U-tube. So any arguments that may occur as to who won can be settled
factually by all observers. Now I want to make sure that I ad to allay any possibility
of behind sued over this that I think its not a very good idea, and if
it will be done it should be done in a land outside the United States, by foreign
nationals maybe el quida types.
Ron
only 10 miles from the famous OK Corral, where men settled their differences in
pretty much the same way. :-)
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Merry Christmas everybody
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Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to death???? >>
Yes, yes, yes. yes. I really don`t know how I have been cast as the Challenger
champion. Just because I flew one and it seemed to me that my experience was at
odds with the often second hand stories which were being passed on as facts.
I promise to stop.
Incidentally I wonder how many Challengers were sold against the Kolbs?
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| Subject: | Re: per request some more pix of the M3X |
See, Ron, it wasn't just me that thought it looked a little odd. Mike, I already
asked Ron about this, and he said it was just "hung" on, not mounted.
Mike Welch in SW Utah, where my swimming pool has frozen over
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: per request some more pix of the M3X
> From: planecrazzzy@yahoo.com
> Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:46:39 -0800
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Hey Ron,
> I the last picture ....I was looking at the "Nose cone"
> Is it mounted at "THAT" angle ??????
>
> Gotta Fly..
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Re: FSII VS Drifter |
-and there is a real Dogpatch in Arkansas.
Not bad, an aviation community and you can follow the RR tracks home.
BB
On 23, Dec 2007, at 10:46 AM, Charlie England wrote:
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Obviously, you're taking some literary license.
>
> On the other hand, it's quite literally where I live.
>
> http://maps.google.com/maps?
> f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Slobovia+Outernational
> +airport&sll=32.49666,-90.294056&sspn=0.009411,0.020127&ie=UTF8&ll=32.
> 492135,-90.291867&spn=0.009411,0.020127&t=h&z=15&iwloc=A&om=0
>
> (or Google 'Slobovia Outernational Airport' in Google Maps)
>
> That's my house & hangar at the 'lowest' point on the runway.
>
> Charlie
>
> robert bean wrote:
>> As you may have suspected, I DO live in Lower Slobbovia, NY
>> Thom Riddle is fortunate enough to be a suburbanite.
>> http://www.lil-abner.com/slobovia.html
>> BB, N3851E (originally issued in 1947, in my logbook since 1971)
>> On 22, Dec 2007, at 5:50 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>>>
>>> > To all who are tuned in here, enjoy the short light holiday
>>> with all
>>>> you hold close to your heart.
>>>> BB
>>>
>>>
>>> Hey Bob:
>>>
>>> Ain't no need gettin all mushy now, just cause it is Xmas.
>>>
>>> Pat your mkIII on the head and crank up the old Model A for me.
>>>
>>> Hope the snow is not too much more than belly button deep in your
>>> neck of the woods.
>>>
>>> Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to Bob Bean and the rest of the
>>> Kolb List. You too Jack H. Awe.......come on now, give us a
>>> smile Jack. We all love you.
>>>
>>> john h
>>> mkIII
>>> hauck's holler, alabama
>>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger |
Well Gerry
The fellow that has his BRS aimed straight ahead at the oncoming challenger may
have an advantage. It needs to be tested though. Maybe a harpoon instead of a
parachute in the canister. Or better yet a big load of buck shots, but that will
have to be done over open water as a miss may wipe out a whole town.
Ron
in Arizona
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---- gary aman <gaman@att.net> wrote:
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Wait a minute! Doesn't that give the emotional edge to the guy with the BRS?
The only way to fully settle this issue is to have a Kolber and a Challenged get
into their respective aerial chariots, fire them up and climb skyward. Each
one at a different end of a runway. At an agreed up on altitude, and time noted
by a red flare, they both advance their sky chariot's throttle to full power,
and then speed towards each other at the most power that their warring machines
can put out, and smash into the other fellow at full time speed inertia, and
see who is the winner. Its also important that they tell some trusted friends
who will with high resolution video camera record the event and then upload
it onto U-tube. So any arguments that may occur as to who won can be settled
factually by all observers. Now I want to make sure that I ad to allay any possibility
of behind sued over this that I think its not a very good idea, and if
it will be done it should be done in a land outside the United States, by foreign
nationals maybe el quida types.
Ron
only 10 miles from the famous OK Corral, where men settled their differences in
pretty much the same way. :-)
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Merry Christmas everybody
======================
=======================
---- "uploaded" wrote:
============
Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to death???? >>
Yes, yes, yes. yes. I really don`t know how I have been cast as the Challenger
champion. Just because I flew one and it seemed to me that my experience was at
odds with the often second hand stories which were being passed on as facts.
I promise to stop.
Incidentally I wonder how many Challengers were sold against the Kolbs?
Cheers
Pat :-)
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| Subject: | Re: per request some more pix of the M3X |
Ron .....it looks like you have changed the engine thrust line quite a
bit from the standard set-up . Do you think that will be a problem ?
Bill
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From: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: per request some more pix of the M3X
>I think I am going to name my airplane the apogee, seems like a name that
>may help me to get it to fly. anyway here are some pictures. I had some
>others, however,,,,, I decided to upgrade my Mac to the latest OS called
>Leopard and it obliterated the iPhoto program. I can't find the pix from
>yesterday. They are in the camera so not lost. I'll try uploading them from
>the HP, maybe tomorrow.
> these are attachments so they should not slow anyone down.
>
> Ron
> Sierra Vista, Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: FSII VS Drifter |
> :)
>
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Thanks Jack H:
You made my day!
john h
mkIII
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> If you want to send a zinger at Hauck...tell him that he does not fly a
Kolb !!! In the technical sense.. :-) Modified gear,fuselage and fuel
capacity come to mind... It is a Hauck MkIII...
Herb
Herb:
And every little mod blessed by the man, Homer Kolb. :-)
john h
mkIII
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That's what he told me my about my VG's......
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
John Hauck wrote:
> And every little mod blessed by the man, Homer Kolb. :-)
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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| Subject: | Kolb-List Help! How Many Hrs to Fabric a firestar cage ??? |
Any one know long to Do the fabric on a Firestar KX? Stopping at the top of the
fuel Tank
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Thanks !
Dave
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> That's what he told me my about my VG's......
>
> Richard Pike
Richard:
That's great!
Guess I am one up on Homer. As far as I know, he has never flown a Kolb
with VG's.
Merry Xmas, Happy New Year!
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: per request some more pix of the M3X |
I kept true to the original mount angle. The rear is lifted to about the same hight
angle as the original single tube mount. The thrust line profile angle is
the same. The motor may sit lower but that's because the mount cradles the motor
and its not sitting as high as the factory mount. Which is good, taking the
thrust line lower should reduce the pitch down force when applying power. But
!!!! when fully installed it may sit identical to factory hight since the shock
absorbers are about an inch thick and then the brackets on top of that are
another .5 inches. We shall see.
Ron
Arizona
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---- thumb <bill_joe@bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Ron .....it looks like you have changed the engine thrust line quite a
bit from the standard set-up . Do you think that will be a problem ?
Bill
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From: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 8:39 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: per request some more pix of the M3X
>I think I am going to name my airplane the apogee, seems like a name that
>may help me to get it to fly. anyway here are some pictures. I had some
>others, however,,,,, I decided to upgrade my Mac to the latest OS called
>Leopard and it obliterated the iPhoto program. I can't find the pix from
>yesterday. They are in the camera so not lost. I'll try uploading them from
>the HP, maybe tomorrow.
> these are attachments so they should not slow anyone down.
>
> Ron
> Sierra Vista, Arizona
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| Subject: | Powder Coatings - after the fact |
My FS II is in need of paint on the boom (where the boom support is located) and
several other areas. Is there any reason I cannot have someone powder coat these
areas? I live in an area with low humidity (Las Vegas, NV) so the reason
is not rust, but cosmetics. Is there any gotchas to worry about?
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| Subject: | Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact |
You "DO" know that the powder coat process , calls for the paint to
"BAKE" at around 400 degrees.......
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN / Epoxy white Frame- FSII
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| Subject: | Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact |
----- Original Message -----
From: "planecrazzzy" <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:15 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact
>
> You "DO" know that the powder coat process , calls for the paint to
> "BAKE" at around 400 degrees.......
>
There can also be a weight factor as well.
Larry C
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| Subject: | Re: How do you like your FireFly? |
I have a Firefly with a 503. I haven't flown one with a 447, but my airplane always
wants to pitch up and fly left (left wing very heavy). This is because
of the extra weight and torque of the 503. The trim tab on the left aileron is
already full up.
I expected the 503 to climb out at 1500 fpm but it's more like 1000 fpm from my
home field (2500 msl).
If I were to buy or build another Firefly, I would definitely use the 447. I think
the only thing I would miss on the 503 is the oil injection.
To be 103 legal in the Firefly, you are limited to 2-bladed wood prop,small wheels,
no brakes, no or limited gages, 1 coat of paint, short windscreen.
I have the short windscreen. It is very wind. I actually think it would be better
to take it off completely. The short windshield seems to put all the turbulent
air right at head.
Mine has the gap seal removed (between wings). I am 6-01 and if it were there,
I think my head wouldn't fit in the airplane.
Mine performs very well in turbulence and handles winds well. Ailerons are heavy
in cruise, but fine during approach.
Jim
N. Idaho
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| Subject: | Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact |
Nope. Was not aware of that small fact. Sounds like it might not be that helpful
to other parts of the aircraft...
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| Subject: | Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact |
Hi John
I have a Firestar II that I recovered the fuselage because the fabric had allot
of wear and tear. I opted to powder coat the cage as I wanted a more durable
finish to work with.
The powder coating process works best on steel parts. Because of the temperatures
involved I would not coat aluminum parts especially tempered or hardened bits.
If you decide to powder coat the cage you will need to remove the boom tube.
The only problem I had was that the cage had relaxed a bit causing an out of trim
condition in the wings. I used the English wing u-joints to correct the wing
trim problem.
Otherwise I quite happy about the finish of the powder coating and its durability.
Carlos G
AKA
BaronVonEvil
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