---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/23/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:47 AM - Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (planecrazzzy) 2. 07:17 AM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (Jack B. Hart) 3. 09:55 AM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (Charlie England) 4. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (Ron) 5. 10:45 AM - Ho! Ho! (herbgh@juno.com) 6. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (gary aman) 7. 11:54 AM - Re: Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (Mike Welch) 8. 12:08 PM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (robert bean) 9. 01:03 PM - Re: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger (Ron) 10. 03:19 PM - Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (thumb) 11. 03:35 PM - Re: FSII VS Drifter (John Hauck) 12. 03:50 PM - Re: Ho! Ho! (John Hauck) 13. 04:12 PM - Re: Ho! Ho! (Richard Pike) 14. 04:44 PM - Kolb-List Help! How Many Hrs to Fabric a firestar cage ??? (bmwbikecrz@aol.com) 15. 04:49 PM - Re: Ho! Ho! (John Hauck) 16. 04:56 PM - Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (Ron) 17. 06:07 PM - Powder Coatings - after the fact (John H Murphy) 18. 06:16 PM - Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact (planecrazzzy) 19. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact (Larry Cottrell) 20. 10:46 PM - Re: How do you like your FireFly? (jim) 21. 10:52 PM - Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact (John H Murphy) 22. 11:32 PM - Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact (The BaronVonEvil) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:12 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: per request some more pix of the M3X From: "planecrazzzy" Hey Ron, I the last picture ....I was looking at the "Nose cone" Is it mounted at "THAT" angle ?????? Gotta Fly.. Mike & "Jaz" in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153802#153802 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:07 AM PST US From: "Jack B. Hart" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter At 04:50 PM 12/22/07 -0600, you wrote: > >Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to Bob Bean and the rest of the Kolb List. >You too Jack H. Awe.......come on now, give us a smile Jack. We all love >you. > :) Do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:05 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter Obviously, you're taking some literary license. On the other hand, it's quite literally where I live. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Slobovia+Outernational+airport&sll=32.49666,-90.294056&sspn=0.009411,0.020127&ie=UTF8&ll=32.492135,-90.291867&spn=0.009411,0.020127&t=h&z=15&iwloc=A&om=0 (or Google 'Slobovia Outernational Airport' in Google Maps) That's my house & hangar at the 'lowest' point on the runway. Charlie robert bean wrote: > > As you may have suspected, I DO live in Lower Slobbovia, NY > Thom Riddle is fortunate enough to be a suburbanite. > > http://www.lil-abner.com/slobovia.html > > BB, N3851E (originally issued in 1947, in my logbook since 1971) > > On 22, Dec 2007, at 5:50 PM, John Hauck wrote: > >> >> > To all who are tuned in here, enjoy the short light holiday with all >>> you hold close to your heart. >>> BB >> >> >> Hey Bob: >> >> Ain't no need gettin all mushy now, just cause it is Xmas. >> >> Pat your mkIII on the head and crank up the old Model A for me. >> >> Hope the snow is not too much more than belly button deep in your neck >> of the woods. >> >> Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to Bob Bean and the rest of the Kolb >> List. You too Jack H. Awe.......come on now, give us a smile Jack. >> We all love you. >> >> john h >> mkIII >> hauck's holler, alabama >> ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:51 AM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: per request some more pix of the M3X :-) Hi Mike I have gotten more than one question about it... laughing. The cone is held in place by friction alone. Right under the main gear in the pix there is the bathroom scales. I was weighing the frame and the motor for W&B in different positions. I was sliding it back and forth to get a rough read on the weights. The nose cone is not fastened at all, and in fact its now back occupying its dust outlined space in the hanger. :-) But you people are giving me an idea for a tilting nose under control as a form of a canard!!!!!! laughing. that dude is bottom flat enough to in fact provide lots of control authority, some winglets and some antennas on the sides will make it look like a cat fish swimming in water. But that is on the back burner as well, till I finish it. Ron Arizona ============ ---- planecrazzzy wrote: ============ Hey Ron, I the last picture ....I was looking at the "Nose cone" Is it mounted at "THAT" angle ?????? Gotta Fly.. Mike & "Jaz" in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153802#153802 -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:45:13 AM PST US From: "herbgh@juno.com" Subject: Kolb-List: Ho! Ho! Jack If you want to send a zinger at Hauck...tell him that he does not fly a Kolb !!! In the technical sense.. :-) Modified gear,fuselage and fuel capacity come to mind... It is a Hauck MkIII... Guess I do not either...I have single ,streamlined lift struts on my Firefly. :-) Push comes to shove,hope I can get the weight back in line with pt 103.. :-) Herb _____________________________________________________________ Click here for huge discounts on tradeshow supplies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifXE1B7sOMX5uxKHzZEjhATWh3pr5JWSRUYQDMBly6OYd1yl/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:12 AM PST US From: gary aman Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Wait a minute! Doesn't that give the emotional edge to the guy with the BRS? The only way to fully settle this issue is to have a Kolber and a Challenged get into their respective aerial chariots, fire them up and climb skyward. Each one at a different end of a runway. At an agreed up on altitude, and time noted by a red flare, they both advance their sky chariot's throttle to full power, and then speed towards each other at the most power that their warring machines can put out, and smash into the other fellow at full time speed inertia, and see who is the winner. Its also important that they tell some trusted friends who will with high resolution video camera record the event and then upload it onto U-tube. So any arguments that may occur as to who won can be settled factually by all observers. Now I want to make sure that I ad to allay any possibility of behind sued over this that I think its not a very good idea, and if it will be done it should be done in a land outside the United States, by foreign nationals maybe el quida types. Ron only 10 miles from the famous OK Corral, where men settled their differences in pretty much the same way. :-) do not archive Merry Christmas everybody ====================== ======================= ---- "uploaded" wrote: ============ Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to death???? >> Yes, yes, yes. yes. I really don`t know how I have been cast as the Challenger champion. Just because I flew one and it seemed to me that my experience was at odds with the often second hand stories which were being passed on as facts. I promise to stop. Incidentally I wonder how many Challengers were sold against the Kolbs? Cheers Pat :-) -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:51 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: per request some more pix of the M3X See, Ron, it wasn't just me that thought it looked a little odd. Mike, I already asked Ron about this, and he said it was just "hung" on, not mounted. Mike Welch in SW Utah, where my swimming pool has frozen over > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: per request some more pix of the M3X > From: planecrazzzy@yahoo.com > Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:46:39 -0800 > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > > > Hey Ron, > I the last picture ....I was looking at the "Nose cone" > Is it mounted at "THAT" angle ?????? > > Gotta Fly.. > Mike & "Jaz" in MN > > -------- > . > . > . > . > . > Do Not Archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153802#153802 > > _________________________________________________________________ im is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:55 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter -and there is a real Dogpatch in Arkansas. Not bad, an aviation community and you can follow the RR tracks home. BB On 23, Dec 2007, at 10:46 AM, Charlie England wrote: > > > Obviously, you're taking some literary license. > > On the other hand, it's quite literally where I live. > > http://maps.google.com/maps? > f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=Slobovia+Outernational > +airport&sll=32.49666,-90.294056&sspn=0.009411,0.020127&ie=UTF8&ll=32. > 492135,-90.291867&spn=0.009411,0.020127&t=h&z=15&iwloc=A&om=0 > > (or Google 'Slobovia Outernational Airport' in Google Maps) > > That's my house & hangar at the 'lowest' point on the runway. > > Charlie > > robert bean wrote: >> As you may have suspected, I DO live in Lower Slobbovia, NY >> Thom Riddle is fortunate enough to be a suburbanite. >> http://www.lil-abner.com/slobovia.html >> BB, N3851E (originally issued in 1947, in my logbook since 1971) >> On 22, Dec 2007, at 5:50 PM, John Hauck wrote: >>> >>> > To all who are tuned in here, enjoy the short light holiday >>> with all >>>> you hold close to your heart. >>>> BB >>> >>> >>> Hey Bob: >>> >>> Ain't no need gettin all mushy now, just cause it is Xmas. >>> >>> Pat your mkIII on the head and crank up the old Model A for me. >>> >>> Hope the snow is not too much more than belly button deep in your >>> neck of the woods. >>> >>> Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to Bob Bean and the rest of the >>> Kolb List. You too Jack H. Awe.......come on now, give us a >>> smile Jack. We all love you. >>> >>> john h >>> mkIII >>> hauck's holler, alabama >>> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:39 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Flight characteristics of the Kolb FSII & The Challenger Well Gerry The fellow that has his BRS aimed straight ahead at the oncoming challenger may have an advantage. It needs to be tested though. Maybe a harpoon instead of a parachute in the canister. Or better yet a big load of buck shots, but that will have to be done over open water as a miss may wipe out a whole town. Ron in Arizona ============== ---- gary aman wrote: ============ Wait a minute! Doesn't that give the emotional edge to the guy with the BRS? The only way to fully settle this issue is to have a Kolber and a Challenged get into their respective aerial chariots, fire them up and climb skyward. Each one at a different end of a runway. At an agreed up on altitude, and time noted by a red flare, they both advance their sky chariot's throttle to full power, and then speed towards each other at the most power that their warring machines can put out, and smash into the other fellow at full time speed inertia, and see who is the winner. Its also important that they tell some trusted friends who will with high resolution video camera record the event and then upload it onto U-tube. So any arguments that may occur as to who won can be settled factually by all observers. Now I want to make sure that I ad to allay any possibility of behind sued over this that I think its not a very good idea, and if it will be done it should be done in a land outside the United States, by foreign nationals maybe el quida types. Ron only 10 miles from the famous OK Corral, where men settled their differences in pretty much the same way. :-) do not archive Merry Christmas everybody ====================== ======================= ---- "uploaded" wrote: ============ Haven't we beaten this Challenger thing to death???? >> Yes, yes, yes. yes. I really don`t know how I have been cast as the Challenger champion. Just because I flew one and it seemed to me that my experience was at odds with the often second hand stories which were being passed on as facts. I promise to stop. Incidentally I wonder how many Challengers were sold against the Kolbs? Cheers Pat :-) -- kugelair.com -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:56 PM PST US From: "thumb" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: per request some more pix of the M3X Ron .....it looks like you have changed the engine thrust line quite a bit from the standard set-up . Do you think that will be a problem ? Bill Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: Kolb-List: per request some more pix of the M3X >I think I am going to name my airplane the apogee, seems like a name that >may help me to get it to fly. anyway here are some pictures. I had some >others, however,,,,, I decided to upgrade my Mac to the latest OS called >Leopard and it obliterated the iPhoto program. I can't find the pix from >yesterday. They are in the camera so not lost. I'll try uploading them from >the HP, maybe tomorrow. > these are attachments so they should not slow anyone down. > > Ron > Sierra Vista, Arizona ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:36 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: FSII VS Drifter > :) > > Do not archive Thanks Jack H: You made my day! john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:50:04 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ho! Ho! > If you want to send a zinger at Hauck...tell him that he does not fly a Kolb !!! In the technical sense.. :-) Modified gear,fuselage and fuel capacity come to mind... It is a Hauck MkIII... Herb Herb: And every little mod blessed by the man, Homer Kolb. :-) john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:24 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ho! Ho! That's what he told me my about my VG's...... Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) John Hauck wrote: > And every little mod blessed by the man, Homer Kolb. :-) > > john h > mkIII > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:49 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Kolb-List Help! How Many Hrs to Fabric a firestar cage ??? From: bmwbikecrz@aol.com Any one know long to Do the fabric on a Firestar KX? Stopping at the top of the fuel Tank ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Thanks ! Dave ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:33 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Ho! Ho! > That's what he told me my about my VG's...... > > Richard Pike Richard: That's great! Guess I am one up on Homer. As far as I know, he has never flown a Kolb with VG's. Merry Xmas, Happy New Year! john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:47 PM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: per request some more pix of the M3X I kept true to the original mount angle. The rear is lifted to about the same hight angle as the original single tube mount. The thrust line profile angle is the same. The motor may sit lower but that's because the mount cradles the motor and its not sitting as high as the factory mount. Which is good, taking the thrust line lower should reduce the pitch down force when applying power. But !!!! when fully installed it may sit identical to factory hight since the shock absorbers are about an inch thick and then the brackets on top of that are another .5 inches. We shall see. Ron Arizona =========== ---- thumb wrote: ============ Ron .....it looks like you have changed the engine thrust line quite a bit from the standard set-up . Do you think that will be a problem ? Bill Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron" Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2007 8:39 PM Subject: Kolb-List: per request some more pix of the M3X >I think I am going to name my airplane the apogee, seems like a name that >may help me to get it to fly. anyway here are some pictures. I had some >others, however,,,,, I decided to upgrade my Mac to the latest OS called >Leopard and it obliterated the iPhoto program. I can't find the pix from >yesterday. They are in the camera so not lost. I'll try uploading them from >the HP, maybe tomorrow. > these are attachments so they should not slow anyone down. > > Ron > Sierra Vista, Arizona -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Powder Coatings - after the fact From: "John H Murphy" My FS II is in need of paint on the boom (where the boom support is located) and several other areas. Is there any reason I cannot have someone powder coat these areas? I live in an area with low humidity (Las Vegas, NV) so the reason is not rust, but cosmetics. Is there any gotchas to worry about? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153924#153924 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:04 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact From: "planecrazzzy" You "DO" know that the powder coat process , calls for the paint to "BAKE" at around 400 degrees....... Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN / Epoxy white Frame- FSII .. .. .. .. -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153926#153926 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:22:05 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact ----- Original Message ----- From: "planecrazzzy" Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2007 7:15 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact > > You "DO" know that the powder coat process , calls for the paint to > "BAKE" at around 400 degrees....... > There can also be a weight factor as well. Larry C do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: How do you like your FireFly? From: "jim" I have a Firefly with a 503. I haven't flown one with a 447, but my airplane always wants to pitch up and fly left (left wing very heavy). This is because of the extra weight and torque of the 503. The trim tab on the left aileron is already full up. I expected the 503 to climb out at 1500 fpm but it's more like 1000 fpm from my home field (2500 msl). If I were to buy or build another Firefly, I would definitely use the 447. I think the only thing I would miss on the 503 is the oil injection. To be 103 legal in the Firefly, you are limited to 2-bladed wood prop,small wheels, no brakes, no or limited gages, 1 coat of paint, short windscreen. I have the short windscreen. It is very wind. I actually think it would be better to take it off completely. The short windshield seems to put all the turbulent air right at head. Mine has the gap seal removed (between wings). I am 6-01 and if it were there, I think my head wouldn't fit in the airplane. Mine performs very well in turbulence and handles winds well. Ailerons are heavy in cruise, but fine during approach. Jim N. Idaho -------- Jim N. Idaho Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153952#153952 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:33 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact From: "John H Murphy" Nope. Was not aware of that small fact. Sounds like it might not be that helpful to other parts of the aircraft... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153953#153953 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:58 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact From: "The BaronVonEvil" Hi John I have a Firestar II that I recovered the fuselage because the fabric had allot of wear and tear. I opted to powder coat the cage as I wanted a more durable finish to work with. The powder coating process works best on steel parts. Because of the temperatures involved I would not coat aluminum parts especially tempered or hardened bits. If you decide to powder coat the cage you will need to remove the boom tube. The only problem I had was that the cage had relaxed a bit causing an out of trim condition in the wings. I used the English wing u-joints to correct the wing trim problem. Otherwise I quite happy about the finish of the powder coating and its durability. Carlos G AKA BaronVonEvil Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=153954#153954 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.