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1. 05:40 AM - Re: Re: per request some more pix of the M3X (John Hauck)
2. 06:38 AM - Re: How do you like your FireFly? (olendorf)
3. 06:42 AM - Re: Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact (N27SB@aol.com)
4. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact (N27SB@aol.com)
5. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Mission Specific (N27SB@aol.com)
6. 07:25 AM - Re: Re: Mission Specific (N27SB@AOL.COM)
7. 07:36 AM - Re: ultralight expolsion (jb92563)
8. 07:39 AM - Re: Re: Mission Specific (N27SB@aol.com)
9. 09:03 AM - Re: Re: How do you like your FireFly? (Eugene Zimmerman)
10. 09:08 AM - Re: Garbled Reply - Christmas greetings (David Kulp)
11. 09:59 AM - Re: Suzuki Bottom rail Attach (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
12. 10:16 AM - Re: Re: Mission Specific (Dana Hague)
13. 10:18 AM - Fw: Re: Mission Specific (N27SB@aol.com)
14. 12:41 PM - Re: Re: ultralight expolsion (Ben Ransom)
15. 01:07 PM - Re: ultralight expolsion (jb92563)
16. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: ultralight expolsion (Larry Cottrell)
17. 01:41 PM - Amateur built info. (Lanny Fetterman)
18. 02:41 PM - Re: Amateur built info. (Denny Rowe)
19. 02:42 PM - Re: Monument valley (jb92563)
20. 02:55 PM - Re: Re: Monument valley (John Hauck)
21. 03:00 PM - ACME Mapper 2.0 - 1.3 km N of Monument Valley UT (John Hauck)
22. 03:04 PM - Re: Amateur built info. (Richard Pike)
23. 03:31 PM - Re: Amateur built info. (John Hauck)
24. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: ultralight expolsion (Ben Ransom)
25. 06:01 PM - Re: Re: Mission Specific (N27SB@aol.com)
26. 06:59 PM - Re: ultralight expolsion (Wade Lawicki)
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| Subject: | Re: per request some more pix of the M3X |
"looks" compared to the weight of the engine.
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| I somehow feel safer that the UltraStar engine would pass under my
butt in the event of a crash instead of passing over my head as the
other Kolbs.
| Ray
Ray:
The Ultrastar has the weakest engine attachments of the other Kolb
models, except the Kolb Flyer.
If one crashes a Kolb hard enough for the engine to break loose, most
likely you will not feel a thing when the engine hits you.
john h
mkIII - Survivor of some pretty good Kolb crashes.
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| Subject: | Re: How do you like your FireFly? |
"Setting aileron and flap trim is the WRONG way to achieve proper pitch trim"
I certainly agree with this statement. I'd say you could probably use aileron trim
to tweak the trim if you are already close. Maybe 2 turns or so of the rod
end.
I had tried to trim my plane so I wouldn't have to hold so much back pressure when
at 6000rpms. I went up to test it out and it did take out a bunch of back
pressure and flew fine until I throttled back on final. I couldn't get the nose
to come down. I had run out of down elevator due to the reflexed aileron "trim".
I leaned forward and gave it some power and I was fine but it would have
been a fun ride had my engine stalled. Now I use a bungie cord to provide
the back pressure.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| Subject: | Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact |
In a message dated 12/26/2007 1:39:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jb92563@yahoo.com writes:
I would worry about changing the temper(strength/durability) of aluminum
parts.
Ask the shop what the tempering temps of various types of aluminum are and
if they have no clue, choose a shop that does understand and care.
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Ray
Years ago when Aluminum Scuba tanks were introduced there were a few cases
of ruptured tanks due to powder coating. So there may be some merit to your
concern.
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Powder Coatings - after the fact |
In a message dated 12/26/2007 1:39:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jb92563@yahoo.com writes:
I would worry about changing the temper(strength/durability) of aluminum
parts.
Ask the shop what the tempering temps of various types of aluminum are and
if they have no clue, choose a shop that does understand and care.
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Ray
Years Ago when Aluminum Scuba tanks were introduced there were
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| Subject: | Re: Mission Specific |
In a message dated 12/26/2007 9:39:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
d-m-hague@comcast.net writes:
I like the idea of the mono float for the US, to keep the spray off the
prop. One thought I had was two floats (so you get the 60#) very close together,
with a solid web between (almost like a tunnel hull racing boat).
Ray,
EP Dalton in KEY West offers a splash guard for the quicksilver Sprint 2
just as you described
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: Mission Specific |
Dana,
This is a shot from a few years ago of the Factory Xtra flown by Bryan
Melborn on Boetto/Melborn Experimental Amphib Floats.
Kolbs look great on Floats.
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| Subject: | Re: ultralight expolsion |
I think that you will see a lot more of these as the Jan 31 deadline passes and
causes otherwise fully functional Fat Ultralights to become drastically devalued.
(Not saying that this was the case for the movie clip)
The clever people will advertise their Fat Ultralights for sale in Canada as their
Ultralight category can accommodate the FAT US models apparently.
The Canadian dollar is strong compared to the US dollar so it becomes even more
attractive for Canadians looking for good deals on US Fat Ultralights that missed
the deadline.
I know of at least one on this list that is looking for a good deal on a fat Kolb
that will miss the deadline.
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Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Mission Specific |
In a message dated 12/26/2007 9:39:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
d-m-hague@comcast.net writes:
As far as I can see, there is no mention of mono floats, just "30 lbs per
float". In the case of flying boats, it's still 30# (plus the 10 for each
outrigger).
I like the idea of the mono float for the US, to keep the spray off the
prop. One thought I had was two floats (so you get the 60#) very close together,
with a solid web between (almost like a tunnel hull racing boat). You could
still add outrigger floats if necessary.
I still think I'd rather go into, say, a plowed field with non amphibious
floats than straight wheels. There are quite a few videos on youtube of
seaplanes landing (and even taking off!) on wet grass.
-Dana
Dana, Have you done any water flying, There is a major difference in
Seaplanes (MonoHull) and Floatplanes.
Water Handling
Looks
Flight qualities
I personally like the look of a Floatplane and everthing that goes with it.
Mono floats added to land plane tend to look Goofy.
Rare photo of Ultrastar on floats
Steve
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| Subject: | Re: How do you like your FireFly? |
On Dec 27, 2007, at 1:44 AM, JetPilot wrote:
> I would take the advice of the most qualified and knowledgeable
> person I could find.
Thanks,
Your post was anticipated :-)
We all know who your "most qualified and knowledgeable person" is .
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| Subject: | Re: Garbled Reply - Christmas greetings |
Thanks for the responses, Ray and Gene. I've highlighted Gene's
response before I hit reply to list. When the email window opened up
the highlighted portion "grayed out" and nothing's in the message pane,
so let's see what happens when it posts. I don't post "live", I just
get all yesterday's posts in the morning. I'm assuming they appear the
same on the live forum.
This wasn't happening a while back and I don't post often enough to
determine when it changed. Probably has something to do with a new
operating system or ISP.
If this appears on the list without the highlighted portion I'll have to
figure something to do to separate the post I'm replying to and my
reply. Maybe I'll just lay down a string of dollar signs, that should
draw the eye to the proper place...
Again, thanks.
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 098 Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Suzuki Bottom rail Attach |
Ron
I tried to post earlier when I was in Colorado but couldn't get the text to
transmit.
The photos help a bunch. I would add some gussets to stabilize those rails a
bunch more. Also weld steel over all the holes and treat with a anti rust
treatment. I agree with the suggestion of using bushings that you weld in
place and run your bolts thru. The bushings would allow you to torque the
bolts to reduce movement and better seal the rails to keep air and moisture
out.
Remember when you make major changes to the cage you become the test pilot.
Check the mount frequently thru the life of the aircraft.
For those of you that want to mount alternative engines, you may want to
consider the new VW mount if the standard mount doesn't work. This mount
might not exactly fit your engine but will likely work with only minor
changes. The VW engine mount allows engines to be mounted much lower like
Ron has done, without forcing you to test pilot your changes for the life of
the airframe. The engine mount Kolb offers for the VW has more bracing,
gussets, and uses heaver steel than I used on my VW so it should strong
enough for most any engine. The fewer modifications you make to the cage the
better.
As always the advice is worth what you paid for it.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron" <captainron1@cox.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Suzuki Bottom rail Attach
> As I mentioned earlier folks to those who are interested, here are some of
> the missing pix of the bottom mount rails. All hardware is SS so after
> painting I will never have rust streaks from the bolts. I need to now have
> the motor sit on top of this and then adjust it to center and then drill
> for final placement. In future if the motor need to be canted for whatever
> purpose it will be simple to purchase the bottom Angles .25 6061 alum from
> Spruce and adjust as needed. The angles are fairly inexpensive from spruce
> and they cut them to length for you, I think its something under 5 bucks
> per foot. The rubber biscuits are from NAPA for $2.50 each. Not expensive
> at all even for us on a budget. The bolts that will fasten the whole thing
> together will be stainless as well and fairly robust, I will make sure
> they fill the holes in the rubber donuts 5/16 comes to mind but ain't sure
> yet.
> Merry Christmas
> Ron
> Arizona
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| Subject: | Re: Mission Specific |
At 09:44 AM 12/27/2007, N27SB@aol.com wrote:
>
>Dana, Have you done any water flying, There is a major difference in
>Seaplanes (MonoHull) and Floatplanes.
>Water Handling
>Looks
>Flight qualities
>
>I personally like the look of a Floatplane and everthing that goes with
>it. Mono floats added to land plane tend to look Goofy.
>
>Rare photo of Ultrastar on floats...
>
That DOES make a nice looking floatplane!
Sadly, I have done no float flying, other than as a passenger years ago,
and a number of R/C seaplanes over the years. I'd like to change that
though... and the airport I'm currently flying from is right on the river
and has a seaplane ramp. I agree that a mono float would look goofy on a
high wing plane, but with the twin float spray shield it wouldn't be an
issue (i.e. there'd be no point to a mono float). I'd be interested to
know how the Ultrastar behaved on floats... quite well, I imagine.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Mission Specific |
____________________________________
From: N27SB
Sent: 12/27/2007 9:44:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time
Subj: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Mission Specific
In a message dated 12/26/2007 9:39:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
d-m-hague@comcast.net writes:
As far as I can see, there is no mention of mono floats, just "30 lbs per
float". In the case of flying boats, it's still 30# (plus the 10 for each
outrigger).
I like the idea of the mono float for the US, to keep the spray off the
prop. One thought I had was two floats (so you get the 60#) very close together,
with a solid web between (almost like a tunnel hull racing boat). You could
still add outrigger floats if necessary.
I still think I'd rather go into, say, a plowed field with non amphibious
floats than straight wheels. There are quite a few videos on youtube of
seaplanes landing (and even taking off!) on wet grass.
-Dana
Dana, Have you done any water flying, There is a major difference in
Seaplanes (MonoHull) and Floatplanes.
Water Handling
Looks
Flight qualities
I personally like the look of a Floatplane and everthing that goes with it.
Mono floats added to land plane tend to look Goofy.
Rare photo of Ultrastar on floats
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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| Subject: | Re: ultralight expolsion |
Register the Fat UL as U.S. Amateur Experimental and keep on flying.
-Ben
jb92563 wrote:
>
> I think that you will see a lot more of these as the Jan 31 deadline passes and
causes otherwise fully functional Fat Ultralights to become drastically devalued.
(Not saying that this was the case for the movie clip)
>
> The clever people will advertise their Fat Ultralights for sale in Canada as
their Ultralight category can accommodate the FAT US models apparently.
>
> The Canadian dollar is strong compared to the US dollar so it becomes even more
attractive for Canadians looking for good deals on US Fat Ultralights that
missed the deadline.
>
> I know of at least one on this list that is looking for a good deal on a fat
Kolb that will miss the deadline.
>
> --------
> Ray
>
> Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
> Moni MotorGlider
> Schreder HP-11 Glider
> Riverside County, CA
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=154510#154510
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ultralight expolsion |
Can you imagine how hard it would be to prove to the FAA examiner that an Ultralight
is actually an airworthy aircraft that was built to normal aircraft airworthiness
standards after its already closed up AND somehow verify that it was
at least 51% build by an amateur.
You would have to choose your DAR very carefully and create quite a bit of documentation
and photos to prove your case.
Not to say that it's impossible with the right DAR...just a major pain in the butt.
I have to go through the process with a Moni Motorglider and at the very first
step....registering for an N-number they already put on the brakes and want verification
from a DAR that it really is a Glider.......jeez they already have
a number of Moni's in their database registered as gliders....how annoying...they
did not even check their own records.
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Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: ultralight expolsion |
----- Original Message -----
From: "jb92563" <jb92563@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:06 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: ultralight expolsion
>
> Can you imagine how hard it would be to prove to the FAA examiner that an
> Ultralight is actually an airworthy aircraft that was built to normal
> aircraft airworthiness standards after its already closed up AND somehow
> verify that it was at least 51% build by an amateur.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think it will be hard at all. All I needed was a builders log or in
my case a series of pictures that I took when I last covered the plane. This
is of course taking it for granted that the person trying to do that is
indeed the builder, which in Ben's case is correct, I think.
Larry C
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| Subject: | Amateur built info. |
Howdie to all, When I had my FSII inspected by the FAA, I was not sure if I
wanted to be amateur built or experimental. When I ran that past the FAA
examiner for his opinion, he said in order to register amateur built, I
would have to have sign-offs from the FAA that showed my work was inspected
several times during the building process. Therefore amateur built was out
of the question, since I had no FAA inspections while I was
building. Lanny Fetterman N598LF
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| Subject: | Re: Amateur built info. |
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lanny Fetterman" <donaho@uplink.net>
. When I ran that past the FAA
> examiner for his opinion, he said in order to register amateur built, I
> would have to have sign-offs from the FAA that showed my work was
> inspected several times during the building process. Therefore amateur
> built was out of the question, since I had no FAA inspections while I was
> building. Lanny Fetterman N598LF
>
Lanny,
Sounds like that fellow had no idea what he was talking about!
The Airworthiness inspection is the only required FAA inspection for an
amateur built experimental.
Denny Rowe, N616DR
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| Subject: | Re: Monument valley |
Wow,
go to this map and you will see a stunning view of Monument Valley and can take
a detailed look around to see all sorts of interesting features.
It takes a little while to load and does not seem to be doing anything but the
40 seconds of patience is worth it.....cool
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=37.03449,-110.09562&z=14&t=N&marker0=36.98333%2C-110.10000%2CMonument_Valley
I'm thinking it would sure be worthwhile to trailer my UltraStar out there the
800 miles and fly around locally for the scenery alone, not to mention the camaraderie.
--------
Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Monument valley |
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=37.00744,-110.21373&z=16&t=S&marker0=36.98333%2C-110.10000%2CMonument_ValleyThis is where we pitch our tents.john hmkIII
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| Subject: | ACME Mapper 2.0 - 1.3 km N of Monument Valley UT |
http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=37.01175,-110.20180&z=16&t=S&marker0=36.98333%2C-110.10000%2CMonument_Valley
Here is where we land and tie down.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Amateur built info. |
You got an incompetent goober.
There are no intermediate inspections required, that was eliminated
several years ago.
Hope your happy with what you've got...
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
Lanny Fetterman wrote:
>
> Howdie to all, When I had my FSII inspected by the FAA, I was not sure
> if I wanted to be amateur built or experimental. When I ran that past
> the FAA examiner for his opinion, he said in order to register
> amateur built, I would have to have sign-offs from the FAA that showed
> my work was inspected several times during the building process.
> Therefore amateur built was out of the question, since I had no FAA
> inspections while I was building. Lanny Fetterman N598LF
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Amateur built info. |
Gang:
My mkIII was inspected nearly 16 years ago. I had one inspection by a DAR,
the final one.
Also, had very few photos. Kept track of time spent building on a daily
planning calendar. Also had a stack of receipts for parts, ect., that he
did not look at.
He wasn't there to determine if I had built 51%, but to see if it looked
airworthy. When he was satisfied, I got my airworthiness certificate,
experimental/homebuilt.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: ultralight expolsion |
OK, yep, I was assuming the owner wanting registration (instead of
explosion or devalue) was also the 51% builder.
-Ben
jb92563 wrote:
>
> Can you imagine how hard it would be to prove to the FAA examiner that an Ultralight
is actually an airworthy aircraft that was built to normal aircraft airworthiness
standards after its already closed up AND somehow verify that it was
at least 51% build by an amateur.
>
> You would have to choose your DAR very carefully and create quite a bit of documentation
and photos to prove your case.
>
> Not to say that it's impossible with the right DAR...just a major pain in the
butt.
>
> I have to go through the process with a Moni Motorglider and at the very first
step....registering for an N-number they already put on the brakes and want
verification from a DAR that it really is a Glider.......jeez they already have
a number of Moni's in their database registered as gliders....how annoying...they
did not even check their own records.
>
> --------
> Ray
>
> Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
> Moni MotorGlider
> Schreder HP-11 Glider
> Riverside County, CA
>
> Do Not Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Mission Specific |
In a message dated 12/27/2007 1:17:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
d-m-hague@comcast.net writes:
I'd be interested to know how the Ultrastar behaved on floats... quite well,
I imagine.
-Dana
According to my friend it was very quick off the water and flew very nice.
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| Subject: | Re: ultralight expolsion |
Listen to the audio, you can hear the chopper, probably for a movie stunt as not
many people would be dumb enough to waste a flyable plane and be able to pay
for the chopper and skydive down, not to mention the ability to obtain explosives
and the knowledge to use them,
Fly Safe, Wade
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