---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/30/07: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:34 AM - Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (Richard Pike) 2. 05:08 AM - local dual (william sullivan) 3. 05:47 AM - Re:Kolb Firefly. (edharvey1@juno.com) 4. 06:22 AM - Re: local dual (Dana Hague) 5. 06:31 AM - Re: Re:Kolb Firefly. (Dana Hague) 6. 07:05 AM - Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (FS2Kolb@aol.com) 7. 08:18 AM - Re: local dual (Ron) 8. 10:13 AM - Congratulations to Cristal (Jim Kmet) 9. 12:25 PM - Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (Dana Hague) 10. 12:45 PM - Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (John Hauck) 11. 01:31 PM - Re: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head (Larry Bourne) 12. 02:49 PM - Re: Re: bent gear and VG's () 13. 04:57 PM - Single or Dual Controls? (Rick Lewis) 14. 05:05 PM - Re: Single or Dual Controls? (Richard Pike) 15. 05:19 PM - Re: Single or Dual Controls? (John Hauck) 16. 06:03 PM - Single or Dual Controls (robert bean) 17. 06:03 PM - Re: Single or Dual Controls? (Denny Rowe) 18. 06:24 PM - Re: Single or Dual Controls? (Dana Hague) 19. 06:35 PM - Re: Single or Dual Controls? (John Hauck) 20. 07:01 PM - Fabric covering the fuselage (John H Murphy) 21. 08:09 PM - Re: Fabric covering the fuselage (Carlos) 22. 08:35 PM - Re: Not covering the FS fuselage - any problems? (Dan G.) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:38 AM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head Buddy of mine has an older Firestar with the BRS mounted on the boom behind the tank, will shoot out the side of the fuselage. Has a Velcro secured hatch. Lanyard runs up the back of the fuselage, over, around, and down. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) GeoR38@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/10/2007 10:54:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > mailjohnmurphy@gmail.com writes: > > > > Has anyone tried installing the BRS in a Firestar other than above > your head? I'm trying to find room to engineer a starter and I'm > running out of room with the BRS next to it. Quicksilvers have the > BRS in all sorts of odd looking configurations including shooting > the BRS to the side of the aircraft. > > I have my softpak mounted below the boom and below the gas tank aimed > out the right side.... Of course I have never had to use it. Oh, I > have a KX Firestar. with a 447 > > George Randolph of The Villages, Fl > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape > > for winter. > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:43 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: local dual To all who responded so quickly- thank you. First, where is Goodspeed? Is that the Meriden airport? I believe they have a local chapter of the EAA. Next, Windsor Locks is located in north centrac Ct., between Hartford and Springfield. I know some ultralights operate from some of the small local fields, but being a newcomer to ultralights, I am not certain of the legalities. We are buying the Firefly from Paul Coleman in Mattituck, Long Island, New York. We almost took delivery when it was damaged in a storm. He is repairing, as he was trained as an A&P mechanic. Tie down ropes broke. As a former mechanic, I fully understand that these things happen. We intend to spend the first few months checking it out thoroughly, and getting some UL flight training. My training was in an Ercoupe, hers was a Cessna 150 and some small taildragger. She liked the taildragger better. We own land up in northern Vt. and I think we have enough room in a good spot to put a field there. We want to train for STOL flight, and commute from here to there. If all goes well, we will pick up a second one. I am 58, and she is 59, so we can't wait another 10 years to have some fun. Do not archive. Bill ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:47:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re:Kolb Firefly. From: edharvey1@juno.com Hi Bill: I am a member of the Silver Wings Ultralight Flying Club based just over the state line in Palmer, Ma. We have our own private 900' airstrip adjacent to the now closed Palmer (Metro) Airport: PMX. Many of our members are from northern CT. Contact me for details if you are interested. We do not have a 2-place Kolb based here but the club does own a 2-place MX Sprint II. Ed Harvey Firefly 038 Monson, MA. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:05 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: local dual At 08:08 AM 12/30/2007, william sullivan wrote: > ...where is Goodspeed? Is that the Meriden airport? I believe they have > a local chapter of the EAA. Next, Windsor Locks is located in north > centrac Ct., between Hartford and Springfield. I know some ultralights > operate from some of the small local fields, but being a newcomer to > ultralights, I am not certain of the legalities... No, Meriden is Meriden-Markham. Goodspeed is in East Haddam, right on the Connecticut River, 36 miles SSE from Bradley. The "legalities" are simple if your Firefly is a "true" ultralight (possible but difficult to keep a Firefly under 254 lbs): FAR Part 103: http://tinyurl.com/jerkw If the plane is overweight, it has to be registered as E-LSA and time is running out to do that (and you need at least a Sport Pilot license to fly it). As for where you can fly, it depends on the policy of the specific airport; some welcome ultralights and others do not. You won't be flying an ultralight out of Bradley, that's for sure! I know nothing about those two private fields inside Bradley's Class D airspace. -Dana do not archive -- When Columbus came to America, there were no taxes, no debts, and no pollution. The women did all the work while the men hunted or fished all day. Ever since then, a bunch of idiotic do-gooders have been trying to "improve" the place. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:39 AM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re:Kolb Firefly. At 08:51 AM 12/30/2007, edharvey1@juno.com wrote: > I am a member of the Silver Wings Ultralight Flying Club based >just over the state line in Palmer, Ma. >We have our own private 900' airstrip adjacent to the now closed Palmer >(Metro) Airport: PMX... Hey Ed, I looked PMX up on Airnav... the runway is listed as "asphalt, in poor condition, with alligator cracks". Now just what is an "alligator crack"? A crack that bites or eats airplanes? :) Are you actually flying from PMX or from a nearby field? Are visitors welcome (fly in or drive in)? How 'bout PPG's? -Dana do not archive -- When Columbus came to America, there were no taxes, no debts, and no pollution. The women did all the work while the men hunted or fished all day. Ever since then, a bunch of idiotic do-gooders have been trying to "improve" the place. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:34 AM PST US From: FS2Kolb@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head _http://mae.engr.ucdavis.edu/~ransom/BensAlbum/build/a1brsinst.html_ (http://mae.engr.ucdavis.edu/~ransom/BensAlbum/build/a1brsinst.html) (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:18:14 AM PST US From: Ron Subject: Re: Kolb-List: local dual Hi Bill I left Mass about 22 years ago so I had to *** Google *** for good speed airport, and guess what... Here it is ;; http://www.airnav.com/airport/42B So just click on that link and anything you ever wanted to know will be known. Ron Just a couple of thousands of miles away. Arizona ================ ---- william sullivan wrote: ============ To all who responded so quickly- thank you. First, where is Goodspeed? Is that the Meriden airport? I believe they have a local chapter of the EAA. Next, Windsor Locks is located in north centrac Ct., between Hartford and Springfield. I know some ultralights operate from some of the small local fields, but being a newcomer to ultralights, I am not certain of the legalities. We are buying the Firefly from Paul Coleman in Mattituck, Long Island, New York. We almost took delivery when it was damaged in a storm. He is repairing, as he was trained as an A&P mechanic. Tie down ropes broke. As a former mechanic, I fully understand that these things happen. We intend to spend the first few months checking it out thoroughly, and getting some UL flight training. My training was in an Ercoupe, hers was a Cessna 150 and some small taildragger. She liked the taildragger better. We own land up in northern Vt. and I think we have enough room in a good spot to put a field there. We want to train for STOL flight, and commute from here to there. If all goes well, we will pick up a second one. I am 58, and she is 59, so we can't wait another 10 years to have some fun. Do not archive. Bill -- kugelair.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:02 AM PST US From: "Jim Kmet" Subject: Kolb-List: Congratulations to Cristal Hi all, when you see or message Cristal Waters, Congratulate her on her piloting skills! This Saturday, she successfully took of & landed a Kolb MK-3, THREE times, during a familiarization ride. With only 15 hours in a C-150, I call that an accomplishment! Didn`t make it to a Tailwheel sign off due to time constraints, but what a foundation to build on for the day she flies her own MK-2 ! Jim ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:25:34 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head At 10:04 AM 12/30/2007, FS2Kolb@aol.com wrote: >http://mae.engr.ucdavis.edu/~ransom/BensAlbum/build/a1brsinst.html I like that... I've always been skeptical of BRS's mounted on top of the wings... if the wings folded (one scenario where you'd sure NEED a BRS!) they could block the deployment. Also it's less drag than a can mounted above the wing root. -Dana -- They say that politics makes strange bedfellows. Of course, the main reason they cuddle up is to screw somebody else. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:08 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head Dana: You can mount a BRS soft pack in the center section, rocket and all. Absolutely clean. As far as wings folding, I know of one case in my 24 years of building and flying Kolbs, where the wings folded. That was the Twinstar (IIRC) that flew without the 3/8 bolts in the main spar H braces. Only thing holding the tang was the few 1/8" rivets that kept the tang in line. He made the maiden takeoff with wings and landed with the wings folded. RIP Attached photos were taken by Larry Borne, I think, flying as a passenger in John Williamson's Kolbra at Monument Valley. Please correct me if I am wrong. john h mkIII I've always been skeptical of BRS's mounted on top of the wings... if the wings folded (one scenario where you'd sure NEED a BRS!) they could block the deployment. Also it's less drag than a can mounted above the wing root. -Dana ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:03 PM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Firestar - BRS location other than above the head Yup, that were Monument Valley. The 2 Johns were the pilots while Jim Hefner in John Hauck's Miss P'fer and I in John Williamson's Kolbra took pictures of each other. Fun Flight ! ! ! Lar. Do not Achive. John Hauck wrote: > Dana: > > You can mount a BRS soft pack in the center section, rocket and all. > Absolutely clean. > > As far as wings folding, I know of one case in my 24 years of building > and flying Kolbs, where the wings folded. That was the Twinstar > (IIRC) that flew without the 3/8 bolts in the main spar H braces. > Only thing holding the tang was the few 1/8" rivets that kept the tang > in line. He made the maiden takeoff with wings and landed with the > wings folded. RIP > > Attached photos were taken by Larry Borne, I think, flying as a > passenger in John Williamson's Kolbra at Monument Valley. Please > correct me if I am wrong. > > john h > mkIII > > > > I've always been skeptical of BRS's mounted on top of the > wings... if the wings folded (one scenario where you'd sure NEED a > BRS!) they could block the deployment. Also it's less drag than a > can mounted above the wing root. > > -Dana > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:17 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: bent gear and VG's I added my VGs almost like Richard Pike did his on his Classic. They reduced my clean stall speed from 40 to 36 mph. It takes about half of the drop speed away when I do a full stall landing where the tailwheel hits first. I need to do more testing with partial and full flap full stall landings to see if the VGs are equallally a benefical in all configurations. I am thinking and hoping that somewhere around 60 mph cruise that I will attain a very efficient fuel burn. That would be a plus because at full cruise, I burn 3.5 gl/hr. I would be very happy with a fuel burn of 2.5 gl/hr at 60mph cruise. Vic in Sacramento ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:59 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Single or Dual Controls? From: "Rick Lewis" I am wondering if you guys can give me the pro's and con's on dual controls verses single. As you know, the MKIII comes with the single stick which I think I would like to use as it seems that it would be easier to get into the plane. No stick in the way. In looking at other MKIII's, though, I can see that the single stick in the center console takes up precious space. Is the center stick comfortable to use or awkward to use? Rick Lewis (water cooled VW engine) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155065#155065 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:35 PM PST US From: Richard Pike Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Single or Dual Controls? I like it, not at all awkward, and I like not having to get my leg over it. Richard Pike MKIII N420P (420ldPoops) Rick Lewis wrote: > > I am wondering if you guys can give me the pro's and con's on dual controls verses single. As you know, the MKIII comes with the single stick which I think I would like to use as it seems that it would be easier to get into the plane. No stick in the way. In looking at other MKIII's, though, I can see that the single stick in the center console takes up precious space. > > Is the center stick comfortable to use or awkward to use? > > Rick Lewis > (water cooled VW engine) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155065#155065 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:08 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Single or Dual Controls? > Is the center stick comfortable to use or awkward to use? > > Rick Lewis Rick L: Works great. Is a lot less complicated than the dual sticks. I think the biggest complaint was the throttle was also in the center on the old MKIII's. I noticed it was on both sides when I was up at the Factory for the Homecoming. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:15 PM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Kolb-List: Single or Dual Controls I can't remember the name of the fellow, from somewhere in the midwest, who gave me this idea. Works great, just like a cessna :) and comes off with a single bolt. There is a self locking nut hidden in the tee. I did weld a little extension at the root of the stick handle because I didn't like the stick interference with the throttle at full up. BB DSCN1526.JPG copy
________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:03:51 PM PST US From: "Denny Rowe" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Single or Dual Controls? > Rick L: > > Works great. Is a lot less complicated than the dual sticks. > > I think the biggest complaint was the throttle was also in the center on > the old MKIII's. I noticed it was on both sides when I was up at the > Factory for the Homecoming. > > john h > mkIII > > Rick, I have the old center stick and throttle set up in my Mk-3 and had no difficulty adjusting to it, looks kind of funny in pics, but is as simple as can be. Denny Rowe, Mk-3 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:30 PM PST US From: Dana Hague Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Single or Dual Controls? At 09:02 PM 12/30/2007, Denny Rowe wrote: >I have the old center stick and throttle set up in my Mk-3 and had no >difficulty adjusting to it, looks kind of funny in pics, but is as simple >as can be. The stick and throttle are _both_ in the center? Which hand do you use on which? -Dana do not archive -- Sex in a Volkswagen = Farfergnookie. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:09 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Single or Dual Controls? > The stick and throttle are _both_ in the center? Which hand do you use on > which? > > -Dana Dana: Flying from the left seat, right hand on the stick and left on the throttle. Flying from the right seat, left hand on the stick and right hand on the throttle. Seems awkward, but only takes a few minutes to get accustomed to flying that way. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:14 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Fabric covering the fuselage From: "John H Murphy" I ask this once before but did not receive any responses. Is there any reason to cover the fuselage as is shown in the kolb web site of the white & yellow firestar? I'm assuming it does not effect flight performance but wanted to make sure before I took it off. Cosmetics only? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155101#155101 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:09:52 PM PST US From: "Carlos" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Fabric covering the fuselage Hi John, I can't think of a good reason to cover the fuselage if you are in a temperate climate like Florida or the southern states. If you are in the north with low temps in the winter then enclosing the frame makes sense. I have not flown a Firestar without covering so I can't say how it would handle. It does seem to me like it might help with rudder authority. It would be like trying to steer a sail boat without a keel.. You will turn eventually. Just my $.02 Carlos G.-- Original Message ----- From: "John H Murphy" Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: Kolb-List: Fabric covering the fuselage > > > I ask this once before but did not receive any responses. Is there any > reason to cover the fuselage as is shown in the kolb web site of the white > & yellow firestar? I'm assuming it does not effect flight performance but > wanted to make sure before I took it off. Cosmetics only? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=155101#155101 > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:17 PM PST US From: "Dan G." Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Not covering the FS fuselage - any problems? John, I don't know of any reason why you have to cover the fuselage. I'm not sure what areas you plan to leave covered vs. uncovered, but you would like to avoid any configuration that would catch too much air and create excessive drag. Of course, the plane is more aerodynamic = faster cruise speed with the covering. Dan G Tucson 503 F2 John H Murphy wrote: > >Is there any reason other than for cosmetic reasons for not covering the fuselage as shown on the Kolb site of a Firestar (white & checkered yellow Firestar with some young pilot at the controls). I'm thinking of relocating my BRS to the boom tube and instead of recovering the area exposed in the installation, just leaving it uncovered. I do not want to have this effect the flying characteristics. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=151903#151903 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.