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1. 01:03 AM - Re: Landing in High Grass (Dave Bigelow)
2. 02:48 AM - Re: Latch for enclosure (russ kinne)
3. 06:31 AM - SPOT (Thom Riddle)
4. 08:02 AM - ELSA (Vic Peters)
5. 08:45 AM - Re: new item (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
6. 09:36 AM - Re: ELSA (Tom O'Hara)
7. 11:18 AM - Re: SPOT (Dana Hague)
8. 12:13 PM - Re: SPOT (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
9. 12:13 PM - Re: ELSA (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
10. 12:14 PM - Re: SPOT (Denny Rowe)
11. 12:26 PM - Re: SPOT (Thom Riddle)
12. 04:17 PM - Degree of up elevator (Jimmy Hankinson)
13. 04:33 PM - FAA form AC 8520-1 registration form question (grantr)
14. 04:34 PM - Re: SPOT (Russ Kinne)
15. 04:39 PM - Re: SPOT (Dana Hague)
16. 04:54 PM - Re: SPOT (Vic Peters)
17. 04:56 PM - Re: SPOT (Larry Bourne)
18. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: ELSA (Vic Peters)
19. 05:14 PM - Re: SPOT (russ kinne)
20. 05:15 PM - Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question (Jim ODay)
21. 05:43 PM - Re: FAA form AC 8520-1 registration form question (Ben Ransom)
22. 05:47 PM - Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question (grantr)
23. 06:04 PM - Re: SPOT (Vic Peters)
24. 06:15 PM - Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question (grantr)
25. 06:18 PM - Re: FAA form AC 8520-1 registration form question (Richard Pike)
26. 06:26 PM - Fw: SPOT (Bill Vincent)
27. 07:08 PM - Re: SPOT (Charlie England)
28. 07:42 PM - Re: Degree of up elevator (DAquaNut@aol.com)
29. 07:47 PM - Re: SPOT (John Hauck)
30. 08:10 PM - Re: Fw: SPOT (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
31. 08:23 PM - Re: Fw: SPOT (John Hauck)
32. 08:34 PM - Re: Fw: SPOT (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
33. 10:13 PM - Re: Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question (Carlos)
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| Subject: | Re: Landing in High Grass |
> My grass strip is short and has a 20 foot elevation difference from one end to
the other. I take off downhill and land uphill due to obstructions near the
uphill end. I mow the strip about 20 feet wide and have smooth ground next to
the mowed part with about 6 inch high grass.
>
> Sometimes when I come back from a flight, the wind has come up, and I have as
much as a 10 mph tailwind, which makes stopping, even uphill a bit of a challenge.
>
> I've been thinking of using the mowed portion for takeoff, but landing in the
grass next to the mowed portion to help stop. I'm not sure how high the grass
would have to be to become a noseover danger while rolling out.
>
Probably an odd subject when half the Kolbs in the US are in the hanger or trailer
and the grass is brown, but it's sure growing fast and furious here in West
Hawaii.
I divided my grass strip into three sections. One half of the width of the strip
is mowed short for takeoff. The other half of the width of the strip is mowed
four inches high (max height of mower) for the first third of the length for
touchdown. The grass on the last two thirds is about six inches high.
There is no nose over tendency that I can feel while landing in the four inch high
grass on the first third of the runway, and the six inch high grass on the
last two thirds does a nice job of stopping without having to use the brakes
at all. Full back stick while rolling into the higher grass seems to keep the
tail down easily, and also keeps the elevators up and out of the grass while
rolling out.
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Dave Bigelow
Kamuela, Hawaii
FS2, HKS 700E
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| Subject: | Re: Latch for enclosure |
I'm sure McMasters will have a good selection, but Neilsen (?) in
Hartford CT has some nice SS ones too
On Jan 6, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
> At 04:18 PM 1/6/2008, Bill Vincent wrote:
>> Hi Gang
>> I took the attached photo at my work place, it is on a FORTE metal
>> band saw; I think it is German built.
>> Does anyone know where I can purchase this spring toggle latch;
>> this latch will work in many different applications...
>
> Have you tried Southco? They sell many different types of latches.
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> 2000 mockingbirds = two kilomockingbirds
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Kolbers,
I ran across this website about a very interesting product that would be very useful,
particularly for you guys who fly all over North America over hostile terrain.
It is sort of like a Personal Locator Beacon but different, and cheaper
I think.
http://www.findmespot.com/explorespot/spotmessenger.aspx
$170 for the device plus $100/year for the satellite service. If I did the sort
of flying that John and John do, I wouldn't leave home without it.
Not a plug just found it interesting.
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Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I
have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
- Buddha
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She's legal N740VP. Cost $0. Suggestions, 1, might want to zip tie top
plug wires on the 912.
And can you believe The FAA even praised my paperwork?
Nice guy, painless process.
Now all I need is some sucker er ah pilot to teach a 59 year old to fly.
Vic in Maine
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Bob
Thanks for sharing. The VW is such a great engine I'm not surprised people
are trying to develop better redrives for them. I hope it works. It sounds
like a one off project. I know Gene Smith at Valley Engineering tried
springs on their belt drives. His evaluation was that it didn't help enough
to make it worth doing at least on their redrive. Also the Kolb VW factory
mount currently works with a redrive mounted on the pulley end of the
engine. A flywheel end mount would be a easy change but you would need to
work with Kolb to get it done or do it yourself.
The guy talks about using the aluminum case on his VW. Steve Bennet at Great
Plaines contends that the aluminum case it too heavy for the benefits it
gives.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "robert bean" <slyck@frontiernet.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:26 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: new item
>
> Kolbers, here is a redrive for VWs I stumbled upon:
>
> http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11828
>
> Can't find much info but it looks like he uses the clutch springs for
> resonance problems. Could be a good idea.
>
> BTW, I bought those bent gear legs. Probably gather dust along with the
> rest of my junk.
>
> BB, too durn hot here in NY!
>
>
>
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Vic-- The bigger problem will be to find a pilot to come to Millinocket in January/Feb.
Long time ago I spent a lot of time in Millinocket and the Paradise City of Madawaska.
Is the papermill still open or has it closed? I remember trying to convince
my wife that I got snowed in at Easter!!
Light winds and soft landings in your Kolb
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At 09:28 AM 1/9/2008, Thom Riddle wrote:
>I ran across this website about a very interesting product that would be
>very useful, particularly for you guys who fly all over North America over
>hostile terrain. It is sort of like a Personal Locator Beacon but different...
Isn't that what an ELT's for?
-Dana
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If it were truly the thought that counted, more women would be pregnant.
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You would think that is what a ELT is for. I attended a form at Oshkosh a
few years ago put on by search and rescue folks. They stated that they
ignore ELT transmissions. I have to assume that is because there are so many
false broadcasts. They start looking for people only when someone calls or
they are over due on a flight plan. Then and only then do they home in on
the ELT broadcast. Now they are switching to new frequencies and want us to
switch. Guess what the new ELTs are more expensive. Will they respond any
better to the new frequencies, I doubt it.
Now maybe thinks have changed with the lower number of flyers these days but
I'm not going to waist my money on the new ELTs. If I start flying over
remote areas I would rather have something like spot.
What do you guys think?
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SPOT
>
> At 09:28 AM 1/9/2008, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
>>I ran across this website about a very interesting product that would be
>>very useful, particularly for you guys who fly all over North America over
>>hostile terrain. It is sort of like a Personal Locator Beacon but
>>different...
>
> Isn't that what an ELT's for?
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> If it were truly the thought that counted, more women would be pregnant.
>
>
>
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The teaching wont be the problem we can get started right away , well the
process is not painful if you have a Kolb and do a good job building it
Congratulations Now you own a certified Airplane
Ellery
**************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape.
http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489
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Dana,
These new digital units are much more accurate than the older ELTs.
Denny
> Isn't that what an ELT's for?
>
> -Dana
>
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Rick,
Like local FSDOs I think the S and R response to ELT signals varies all over the
place. Last year, we accidentally left the ELT on our Allegro turned on after
a test and were called by the airport manager within two hours, which is how
long it took for them to narrow it down to our hangar.
That said, I think a satellite messenger like the SPOT thing is the way to go.
Of course this assumes emergency personnel respond to THAT signal. If the local
S and R folks don't respond to ELTs, will they respond to this? Open question,
but at least the very precise location data has been transmitted to the folks
who should do the S and R. And of course, if you are still conscious you can
also activate the notify your family/friends feature which might help spur some
action.... unless you are really unloved :D .
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Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I
have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
- Buddha
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| Subject: | Degree of up elevator |
Does anyone with a Firefly know the amount of up elevator in degrees or
inches when in the up position when compared to the horizontal stabilizer.
I have more down elevator than I do with up elevator.
Thanks,
Jimmy Hankinson
Firefly N6007L
912-863-7384
JYL Sylvania, Ga.
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| Subject: | FAA form AC 8520-1 registration form question |
The instructions say to type or print except for signatures.
When I think of print I think hand write however I am not sure what to do.
Can I fill the form in with a ink pen or do I need a type writer?
I am paranoid about filling it out wrong. I don't want any hold ups.
Thanks,
Grant
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In re locater beacons -- they're great, and getting better all the
time. Good ones broadcast your position, even if you're unconscious.
Hope never to need it, but I LIKE that!
But look at the marine ones; lots more boating units (EPIRBS) are
sold and the prices are lower for the same features
On Jan 9, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Dana Hague wrote:
>
> At 09:28 AM 1/9/2008, Thom Riddle wrote:
>
>> I ran across this website about a very interesting product that
>> would be very useful, particularly for you guys who fly all over
>> North America over hostile terrain. It is sort of like a Personal
>> Locator Beacon but different...
>
> Isn't that what an ELT's for?
>
> -Dana
>
> --
> If it were truly the thought that counted, more women would be
> pregnant.
>
>
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Isn't an ELT required for anything other than local flights in any
registered aircraft?
-Dana
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C:\ Bad command or file name! Go stand in the corner.
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Elt's for 2 seaters only.
Vic
"Isn't an ELT required for anything other than local flights in any
registered aircraft?"
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I'm not doing any long flights - yet - but I do do a lot of solo
backcountry hiking and mountain climbing and I've looked at regular
locator beacons. Don't want to pay the price of those things, but this
one looks very interesting. Thanks much.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Thom Riddle wrote:
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I ran across this website about a very interesting product that would be very
useful, particularly for you guys who fly all over North America over hostile
terrain. It is sort of like a Personal Locator Beacon but different, and cheaper
I think.
>
> http://www.findmespot.com/explorespot/spotmessenger.aspx
>
> $170 for the device plus $100/year for the satellite service. If I did the sort
of flying that John and John do, I wouldn't leave home without it.
>
> Not a plug just found it interesting.
>
> --------
> Thom Riddle
> N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
> N197BG FS1/447
> --------------------
> Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if
I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.
> - Buddha
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=156934#156934
>
>
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Thanks Tom
Just kidding about the pilot. Ellery is chompin at the bit rarin to go.
He's even got a pair of skis.
He'll be flyin off my 5 hrs.
Mills are still open at reduced production.
I'm ready to move on.
"Vic-- The bigger problem will be to find a pilot to come to Millinocket
in January/Feb.
Long time ago I spent a lot of time in Millinocket and the Paradise City
of Madawaska. Is the papermill still open or has it closed? I remember
trying to convince my wife that I got snowed in at Easter!!
Light winds and soft landings in your Kolb"
Vic do not archive
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ELT's for 2-seaters only? I was required to have them in my 4-seat
Cessna for years!
Is that only for LSA or Experimental or what?
I'm confused.
On Jan 9, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Vic Peters wrote:
> Elt's for 2 seaters only.
>
> Vic
>
>
> "Isn't an ELT required for anything other than local flights in any
> registered aircraft?"
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question |
Hi Grant:
I have filled out more than one "hand printing" the forms. I dont have a typewriter
any more anyway ...
No problems. But make sure it is very legible.
Good luck,
Jim
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Re: FAA form AC 8520-1 registration form question |
I goofed on this on one too -- can't remember for sure if it was 8520-1,
but it was the N-number request form. That form has 3 boxes for
signature to account for possible multiple owners. I missed just above
where it says also to type or print your name and so the form was kicked
back to me. I called FAA (Oklahoma) to make sure what to do next as like
you, I am out of time for mistakes. She said just to print (with ink,
no typewriter needed) my name in the block below where I signed on the
original and shoot it back. She said also fine to cross out the word
Signature in that second box.
-Ben
FS-KXP
grantr wrote:
>
> The instructions say to type or print except for signatures.
>
> When I think of print I think hand write however I am not sure what to do.
>
> Can I fill the form in with a ink pen or do I need a type writer?
>
> I am paranoid about filling it out wrong. I don't want any hold ups.
>
> Thanks,
> Grant
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question |
Jim,
Thanks for the help.
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Sorry I meant 2 or more
"ELT's for 2-seaters only? I was required to have them in my 4-seat
Cessna for years!
Is that only for LSA or Experimental or what?
I'm confused."
Vic
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| Subject: | Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question |
few more question.
What is the best way to send the $5.00? Personal check or money order or does it
matter?
How do I make the check out? to just the FAA or to the same address / Branch I
am sending the paperwork to?
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| Subject: | Re: FAA form AC 8520-1 registration form question |
It means to print as opposed to cursive.
Richard Pike
MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
grantr wrote:
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> The instructions say to type or print except for signatures.
>
> When I think of print I think hand write however I am not sure what to do.
>
> Can I fill the form in with a ink pen or do I need a type writer?
>
> I am paranoid about filling it out wrong. I don't want any hold ups.
>
> Thanks,
> Grant
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
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Hi Thom
That is a great idea. You won't just need to use it in the plane; I can see
it's use for walking in the wilderness.
All my life I thought I was invincible but after injuring myself in a fall
last December; I realized that a person should have a device like the
personal locator beacon because there are many areas where a cell phone does
not work.
Luckily I was close to home when I injured myself, but if I would have been
out in the wilderness all alone, like many times I am, I would not be
writing this letter right now.
Thanks for the tip.
Bill Vincent
FS II
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Thom Riddle" <riddletr@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 8:28 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: SPOT
>
> Kolbers,
>
> I ran across this website about a very interesting product that would be
> very useful, particularly for you guys who fly all over North America over
> hostile terrain. It is sort of like a Personal Locator Beacon but
> different, and cheaper I think.
>
>
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The old 121Mhz ELT's are pretty much worthless; they were a political
knee-jerk to SAR people not being able to find some political bigwigs &
were designed by politicians. It can take a half-dozen passes (many
hours) by the satellite to get the location in the right *state*. Then
there's the false alarm problem. Some of the certified units can be
triggered unrelated electromagnetic radiation generated by a/c avionics.
Duh...
The new 406 Mhz stuff does seem to actually work. It's much more
accurate, only 1 satellite pass for a fix & if you have one with GPS
built in it's extremely accurate. In a rare fit of allowing
self-determination of our fates, the FAA doesn't currently mandate
buying the new ELTs, they just say they will no longer monitor the old
121MHZ units after the cutoff date. (Some form of certified ELT is still
mandated, but you can buy a cheapo 121 to comply with the law & then buy
a high quality Personal Locater Beacon to enable actual rescue. Downside
is that typical PLBs with GPS are about $1K & up.
Here's a pretty good website describing the various systems:
http://www.sarsat.noaa.gov/emerbcns.html
I'd love to know whether the Spot system is using the public
Cospas-Sarsat statellite system. If it is, it might be worthwhile to buy
one even with the 1st year's subscription. If it's hitting the public
satellites, You should get SAR even after the subscription expires.
Anyone want to do the research?
Charlie
Richard & Martha Neilsen wrote:
> <NeilsenRM@comcast.net>
>
> You would think that is what a ELT is for. I attended a form at Oshkosh
> a few years ago put on by search and rescue folks. They stated that they
> ignore ELT transmissions. I have to assume that is because there are so
> many false broadcasts. They start looking for people only when someone
> calls or they are over due on a flight plan. Then and only then do they
> home in on the ELT broadcast. Now they are switching to new frequencies
> and want us to switch. Guess what the new ELTs are more expensive. Will
> they respond any better to the new frequencies, I doubt it.
>
> Now maybe thinks have changed with the lower number of flyers these days
> but I'm not going to waist my money on the new ELTs. If I start flying
> over remote areas I would rather have something like spot.
>
> What do you guys think?
>
> Rick Neilsen
> Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Hague" <d-m-hague@comcast.net>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 1:59 PM
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: SPOT
>
>
>>
>> At 09:28 AM 1/9/2008, Thom Riddle wrote:
>>
>>> I ran across this website about a very interesting product that would
>>> be very useful, particularly for you guys who fly all over North
>>> America over hostile terrain. It is sort of like a Personal Locator
>>> Beacon but different...
>>
>> Isn't that what an ELT's for?
>>
>> -Dana
>>
>> --
>> If it were truly the thought that counted, more women would be pregnant.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Degree of up elevator |
In a message dated 1/9/2008 6:17:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jhankin@planters.net writes:
Does anyone with a Firefly know the amount of up elevator in degrees or
inches when in the up position when compared to the horizontal stabilizer. I
have more down elevator than I do with up elevator.
Thanks,
Jimmy,
Is the elevator level when the stick is centered? Are the upper and
lower elevator cables equal in length? I have never measured the angle, just
made sure the stick was centered when the elevator was in the same plane with
horizontal stab.
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> The old 121Mhz ELT's are pretty much worthless;
> a high quality Personal Locater Beacon to enable actual rescue. Downside
> is that typical PLBs with GPS are about $1K & up.
> Charlie
Hi Charlie:
If the ELT was/is worthless, guess a lot of us wasted our money.
However, I have been located with my ELT on several occassions. Once I
fired it off, as the result of a hard landing. My fault for not checking
121.5 before I shut down the radio. The second occassion was a crash, which
I walked away from, and again forgot to shut down the ELT before I departed
the accident scene. Both times I got calls from the FAA and CAP. Took a
while but they found me.
I have had an ACR Microfix PLB with GPS for almost a year now. Didn't cost
near what you state a typical PLB with GPS cost. Closer to half that. I
use it for flying, dirt biking, ATV, and back country recreation. I am
usually solo, so it is very good insurance for me should I get injured or
stranded, in a critical situation.
There are a lot of up sides to PLB:
1-No annual subscription.
2-Direct link to SARSAT. PLB transmits a unique code that ID's me.
3-My PLB is registered with my info on file for contacts at home as well as
a friend.
4-Small in size and light in weight. Batteries are good for 5 years.
Here is a link to more SARSAT info:
http://www.sarsat.noaa.gov/
My PLB does not take the place of an ELT in my two place experiemental, but
it should expedite notification and pin point rescue any where in the world
if necessary.
Don't know what I will do when it comes time for a new 406 ELT.
john h
mkIII
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Might Life Alert thingy Work as well ?
Ellery
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Ellery:
Good idea!
Is that the one that goes, "Help, I have fallen down and can't get up!"?
I think that is the msg my PLB xmits. Whatever works. ;-)
john h
mkIII
Might Life Alert thingy Work as well ?
Ellery
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no i think its like this John, I have fallen and I can't reach my drink
....LOL
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question |
Hi Grant,
On the very front of the form in the instructions it says make checks
payable to the US Treasury
Carlos G
----- Original Message -----
From: "grantr" <grant_richardson25@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 6:14 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question
>
> few more question.
>
> What is the best way to send the $5.00? Personal check or money order or
> does it matter?
>
> How do I make the check out? to just the FAA or to the same address /
> Branch I am sending the paperwork to?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157139#157139
>
>
>
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