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1. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question (Ben Ransom)
2. 12:32 PM - Re: SPOT (David Lucas)
3. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Larry Cottrell)
4. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Russ Kinne)
5. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Charlie England)
6. 09:50 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Mike Welch)
7. 10:53 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Carlos)
8. 11:17 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Carlos)
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| Subject: | Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question |
grantr wrote:
>
> few more question.
>
> What is the best way to send the $5.00? Personal check or money order or does
it matter?
>
Doesn't matter.
> How do I make the check out? to just the FAA or to the same address / Branch
I am sending the paperwork to?
>
Federal Aviation Administration
should do it.
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> Guess what the new ELTs are more expensive. Will they respond any better to the
new frequencies, I doubt it.
I understand that these new units not only sent an emergency signal as the old
ones did, but also send GPS co-ordinates plus coded info that includes registration,
owners name, address & contact number.
So the first action that the authorities take on receiving an ELT signal is ring
up the registered owner and check out the status of things, . . . did they go
flying, how many, what provisions etc. If the feedback warrants it, they then
move on to the next stage.
Sounds like quite an improvement to me.
David.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157293#157293
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Subject: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT
>
> I understand that these new units not only sent an emergency signal as the
> old ones did, but also send GPS co-ordinates plus coded info that includes
> registration, owners name, address & contact number.
>
> So the first action that the authorities take on receiving an ELT signal
> is ring up the registered owner and check out the status of things, . . .
> did they go flying, how many, what provisions etc. If the feedback
> warrants it, they then move on to the next stage.
>
> Sounds like quite an improvement to me.
>
> David.
It is my understanding ( more of a question than stating a fact) that they
will not monitor the old frequency after the 09 date, but that they can
still receive the signal if they have info that the plane is down, or didn't
show up. Makes you wonder about Faucett though. Perhaps no one changed the
batteries?
Larry C
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I think I read that PLB's still broadcast on 121.5 for close-in,
short-range locating of a wreck after the main freq on the 'new
unit' has got the rescuers close. I believe airliners will monitor
121.5 for a long time yet. They'll be your best chance of being
heard on 121.5
On Jan 10, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote:
> <lcottrell@fmtcblue.com>
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT
>
>
>> <d_a_lucas@hotmail.com>
>>
>> I understand that these new units not only sent an emergency
>> signal as the old ones did, but also send GPS co-ordinates plus
>> coded info that includes registration, owners name, address &
>> contact number.
>>
>> So the first action that the authorities take on receiving an ELT
>> signal is ring up the registered owner and check out the status of
>> things, . . . did they go flying, how many, what provisions etc.
>> If the feedback warrants it, they then move on to the next stage.
>>
>> Sounds like quite an improvement to me.
>>
>> David.
>
>
> It is my understanding ( more of a question than stating a fact)
> that they will not monitor the old frequency after the 09 date, but
> that they can still receive the signal if they have info that the
> plane is down, or didn't show up. Makes you wonder about Faucett
> though. Perhaps no one changed the batteries?
> Larry C
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Larry Cottrell wrote:
>
> Subject: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT
>
>
>>
>> I understand that these new units not only sent an emergency signal as
>> the old ones did, but also send GPS co-ordinates plus coded info that
>> includes registration, owners name, address & contact number.
>>
>> So the first action that the authorities take on receiving an ELT
>> signal is ring up the registered owner and check out the status of
>> things, . . . did they go flying, how many, what provisions etc. If
>> the feedback warrants it, they then move on to the next stage.
>>
>> Sounds like quite an improvement to me.
>>
>> David.
>
>
> It is my understanding ( more of a question than stating a fact) that
> they will not monitor the old frequency after the 09 date, but that they
> can still receive the signal if they have info that the plane is down,
> or didn't show up. Makes you wonder about Faucett though. Perhaps no one
> changed the batteries?
> Larry C
>
> do not archive
>
If you look at the stats on the old ELTs, there's something like 97%
false rate on ELT trip events (see John Hauck's experience or ask me
about mine), and a virtually 0% 'save' rate on the 3% that are real. It
takes so long to actually find the crash site (if it's ever found) that
the victims are either dead are have walked out on their own. Searchers
for Fossett have found several other previously unlocated crash sites
that are years to decades old.
The old ELTs have about the same effectiveness as that Transport
Security felon that gropes you & looks up your behind before you can get
on an airliner (while 100% of the freight you'll be sitting on in the
plane goes unchecked).
Supposedly, ground SAR personnel will keep their 121Mhz direction finder
equipment after satellite monitoring stops. Hooray.
Charlie
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> The old ELTs have about the same effectiveness as that Transport
> Security felon that gropes you & looks up your behind before you can get
> on an airliner (while 100% of the freight you'll be sitting on in the
> plane goes unchecked).
> Charlie
Poignant comment about the Airport Security situation, Charlie!! When I was
coming home from my Missouri visit just over a week ago, I watched a TSA woman
(the airport security people) COMPLETELY search a 30ish
young lady. Now, this young lady looked like she could have been a 1st grade teacher
or church choir member. Maybe she worked at some title company, or an
insurance office. But whatever the heck she does, I didn't think it would seem
to warrant the going over she got from the "Authorities". You'd have thought
she had plastique in her skirt, or maybe she was packing a 44 Magnum under her
lace sweater. Morons. We're overrun with stupid freaking morons!!!
That aside, I do have a question. IF ELTs aren't all that affective to getting
people to find you, do you absoluely positively HAVE to have one for a Kolb
MkIII. I had intended on having one, because I understood they were required
equipment. Is there an allowable legal alternative to an ELT? (that is affordable?)
Mike Welch Kolb MkIII
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT
>
>
>> The old ELTs have about the same effectiveness as that Transport
>> Security felon that gropes you & looks up your behind before you can get
>> on an airliner (while 100% of the freight you'll be sitting on in the
>> plane goes unchecked).
>
>> Charlie
>
>
> Poignant comment about the Airport Security situation, Charlie!! When I
> was coming home from my Missouri visit just over a week ago, I watched a
> TSA woman (the airport security people) COMPLETELY search a 30ish
> young lady. Now, this young lady looked like she could have been a 1st
> grade teacher or church choir member. Maybe she worked at some title
> company, or an insurance office. But whatever the heck she does, I didn't
> think it would seem to warrant the going over she got from the
> "Authorities". You'd have thought she had plastique in her skirt, or
> maybe she was packing a 44 Magnum under her lace sweater. Morons. We're
> overrun with stupid freaking morons!!!
>
> That aside, I do have a question. IF ELTs aren't all that affective to
> getting people to find you, do you absoluely positively HAVE to have one
> for a Kolb MkIII. I had intended on having one, because I understood they
> were required equipment. Is there an allowable legal alternative to an
> ELT? (that is affordable?)
>
> Mike Welch Kolb MkIII
>
>
> Do Not Archive
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>
>
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Hi Mike,
Most of the low end ELT's run about $200.00 more or less. They use 'D' size
Duracell batteries instead of the manufacturer's own custom battery packs
(usually high dollar lead weights).
They are not difficult to install and do provide a bit of a safety net if
you should unfortunately need it.
They are required in aircraft carrying two or more people. I believe are
are exceptions but, these exceptions would not apply to us in any case due
to the limitations they contain.
Safety equipment is one of those things that dont make a plane go faster,
higher, farther or add to the looks of the plane. People tend to want to
skimp on this stuff especially if it is required and seems to offer little
or no benefit or feels uncomfortable to wear or use.
Just remember that Dale Ernhardt was offered the use of the HANs gear and he
said it limited his visibility and movement and so declined to use it.
I wished he would have used it.
All I can say is buy the Best that you can afford because how much is your
life worth to you and your family?
Best Regards,
Carlos G.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT
>
>
>> The old ELTs have about the same effectiveness as that Transport
>> Security felon that gropes you & looks up your behind before you can get
>> on an airliner (while 100% of the freight you'll be sitting on in the
>> plane goes unchecked).
>
>> Charlie
>
>
> Poignant comment about the Airport Security situation, Charlie!! When I
> was coming home from my Missouri visit just over a week ago, I watched a
> TSA woman (the airport security people) COMPLETELY search a 30ish
> young lady. Now, this young lady looked like she could have been a 1st
> grade teacher or church choir member. Maybe she worked at some title
> company, or an insurance office. But whatever the heck she does, I didn't
> think it would seem to warrant the going over she got from the
> "Authorities". You'd have thought she had plastique in her skirt, or
> maybe she was packing a 44 Magnum under her lace sweater. Morons. We're
> overrun with stupid freaking morons!!!
>
> That aside, I do have a question. IF ELTs aren't all that affective to
> getting people to find you, do you absoluely positively HAVE to have one
> for a Kolb MkIII. I had intended on having one, because I understood they
> were required equipment. Is there an allowable legal alternative to an
> ELT? (that is affordable?)
>
> Mike Welch Kolb MkIII
>
>
> Do Not Archive
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live.
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>
>
>
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