---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/10/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:22 AM - Re: Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question (Ben Ransom) 2. 12:32 PM - Re: SPOT (David Lucas) 3. 01:16 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Larry Cottrell) 4. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Russ Kinne) 5. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Charlie England) 6. 09:50 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Mike Welch) 7. 10:53 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Carlos) 8. 11:17 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Carlos) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:13 AM PST US From: Ben Ransom Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: FAA form AC 8050-1 registration form question grantr wrote: > > few more question. > > What is the best way to send the $5.00? Personal check or money order or does it matter? > Doesn't matter. > How do I make the check out? to just the FAA or to the same address / Branch I am sending the paperwork to? > Federal Aviation Administration should do it. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:29 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT From: "David Lucas" > Guess what the new ELTs are more expensive. Will they respond any better to the new frequencies, I doubt it. I understand that these new units not only sent an emergency signal as the old ones did, but also send GPS co-ordinates plus coded info that includes registration, owners name, address & contact number. So the first action that the authorities take on receiving an ELT signal is ring up the registered owner and check out the status of things, . . . did they go flying, how many, what provisions etc. If the feedback warrants it, they then move on to the next stage. Sounds like quite an improvement to me. David. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157293#157293 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:30 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT Subject: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT > > I understand that these new units not only sent an emergency signal as the > old ones did, but also send GPS co-ordinates plus coded info that includes > registration, owners name, address & contact number. > > So the first action that the authorities take on receiving an ELT signal > is ring up the registered owner and check out the status of things, . . . > did they go flying, how many, what provisions etc. If the feedback > warrants it, they then move on to the next stage. > > Sounds like quite an improvement to me. > > David. It is my understanding ( more of a question than stating a fact) that they will not monitor the old frequency after the 09 date, but that they can still receive the signal if they have info that the plane is down, or didn't show up. Makes you wonder about Faucett though. Perhaps no one changed the batteries? Larry C do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 01:36:15 PM PST US From: Russ Kinne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT I think I read that PLB's still broadcast on 121.5 for close-in, short-range locating of a wreck after the main freq on the 'new unit' has got the rescuers close. I believe airliners will monitor 121.5 for a long time yet. They'll be your best chance of being heard on 121.5 On Jan 10, 2008, at 4:15 PM, Larry Cottrell wrote: > > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT > > >> >> >> I understand that these new units not only sent an emergency >> signal as the old ones did, but also send GPS co-ordinates plus >> coded info that includes registration, owners name, address & >> contact number. >> >> So the first action that the authorities take on receiving an ELT >> signal is ring up the registered owner and check out the status of >> things, . . . did they go flying, how many, what provisions etc. >> If the feedback warrants it, they then move on to the next stage. >> >> Sounds like quite an improvement to me. >> >> David. > > > It is my understanding ( more of a question than stating a fact) > that they will not monitor the old frequency after the 09 date, but > that they can still receive the signal if they have info that the > plane is down, or didn't show up. Makes you wonder about Faucett > though. Perhaps no one changed the batteries? > Larry C > > do not archive > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:39 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT Larry Cottrell wrote: > > Subject: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT > > >> >> I understand that these new units not only sent an emergency signal as >> the old ones did, but also send GPS co-ordinates plus coded info that >> includes registration, owners name, address & contact number. >> >> So the first action that the authorities take on receiving an ELT >> signal is ring up the registered owner and check out the status of >> things, . . . did they go flying, how many, what provisions etc. If >> the feedback warrants it, they then move on to the next stage. >> >> Sounds like quite an improvement to me. >> >> David. > > > It is my understanding ( more of a question than stating a fact) that > they will not monitor the old frequency after the 09 date, but that they > can still receive the signal if they have info that the plane is down, > or didn't show up. Makes you wonder about Faucett though. Perhaps no one > changed the batteries? > Larry C > > do not archive > If you look at the stats on the old ELTs, there's something like 97% false rate on ELT trip events (see John Hauck's experience or ask me about mine), and a virtually 0% 'save' rate on the 3% that are real. It takes so long to actually find the crash site (if it's ever found) that the victims are either dead are have walked out on their own. Searchers for Fossett have found several other previously unlocated crash sites that are years to decades old. The old ELTs have about the same effectiveness as that Transport Security felon that gropes you & looks up your behind before you can get on an airliner (while 100% of the freight you'll be sitting on in the plane goes unchecked). Supposedly, ground SAR personnel will keep their 121Mhz direction finder equipment after satellite monitoring stops. Hooray. Charlie ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:44 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT > The old ELTs have about the same effectiveness as that Transport > Security felon that gropes you & looks up your behind before you can get > on an airliner (while 100% of the freight you'll be sitting on in the > plane goes unchecked). > Charlie Poignant comment about the Airport Security situation, Charlie!! When I was coming home from my Missouri visit just over a week ago, I watched a TSA woman (the airport security people) COMPLETELY search a 30ish young lady. Now, this young lady looked like she could have been a 1st grade teacher or church choir member. Maybe she worked at some title company, or an insurance office. But whatever the heck she does, I didn't think it would seem to warrant the going over she got from the "Authorities". You'd have thought she had plastique in her skirt, or maybe she was packing a 44 Magnum under her lace sweater. Morons. We're overrun with stupid freaking morons!!! That aside, I do have a question. IF ELTs aren't all that affective to getting people to find you, do you absoluely positively HAVE to have one for a Kolb MkIII. I had intended on having one, because I understood they were required equipment. Is there an allowable legal alternative to an ELT? (that is affordable?) Mike Welch Kolb MkIII Do Not Archive _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:53:53 PM PST US From: "Carlos" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Welch" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT > > >> The old ELTs have about the same effectiveness as that Transport >> Security felon that gropes you & looks up your behind before you can get >> on an airliner (while 100% of the freight you'll be sitting on in the >> plane goes unchecked). > >> Charlie > > > Poignant comment about the Airport Security situation, Charlie!! When I > was coming home from my Missouri visit just over a week ago, I watched a > TSA woman (the airport security people) COMPLETELY search a 30ish > young lady. Now, this young lady looked like she could have been a 1st > grade teacher or church choir member. Maybe she worked at some title > company, or an insurance office. But whatever the heck she does, I didn't > think it would seem to warrant the going over she got from the > "Authorities". You'd have thought she had plastique in her skirt, or > maybe she was packing a 44 Magnum under her lace sweater. Morons. We're > overrun with stupid freaking morons!!! > > That aside, I do have a question. IF ELTs aren't all that affective to > getting people to find you, do you absoluely positively HAVE to have one > for a Kolb MkIII. I had intended on having one, because I understood they > were required equipment. Is there an allowable legal alternative to an > ELT? (that is affordable?) > > Mike Welch Kolb MkIII > > > Do Not Archive > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:17:59 PM PST US From: "Carlos" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT Hi Mike, Most of the low end ELT's run about $200.00 more or less. They use 'D' size Duracell batteries instead of the manufacturer's own custom battery packs (usually high dollar lead weights). They are not difficult to install and do provide a bit of a safety net if you should unfortunately need it. They are required in aircraft carrying two or more people. I believe are are exceptions but, these exceptions would not apply to us in any case due to the limitations they contain. Safety equipment is one of those things that dont make a plane go faster, higher, farther or add to the looks of the plane. People tend to want to skimp on this stuff especially if it is required and seems to offer little or no benefit or feels uncomfortable to wear or use. Just remember that Dale Ernhardt was offered the use of the HANs gear and he said it limited his visibility and movement and so declined to use it. I wished he would have used it. All I can say is buy the Best that you can afford because how much is your life worth to you and your family? Best Regards, Carlos G. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Welch" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT > > >> The old ELTs have about the same effectiveness as that Transport >> Security felon that gropes you & looks up your behind before you can get >> on an airliner (while 100% of the freight you'll be sitting on in the >> plane goes unchecked). > >> Charlie > > > Poignant comment about the Airport Security situation, Charlie!! When I > was coming home from my Missouri visit just over a week ago, I watched a > TSA woman (the airport security people) COMPLETELY search a 30ish > young lady. Now, this young lady looked like she could have been a 1st > grade teacher or church choir member. Maybe she worked at some title > company, or an insurance office. But whatever the heck she does, I didn't > think it would seem to warrant the going over she got from the > "Authorities". You'd have thought she had plastique in her skirt, or > maybe she was packing a 44 Magnum under her lace sweater. Morons. We're > overrun with stupid freaking morons!!! > > That aside, I do have a question. IF ELTs aren't all that affective to > getting people to find you, do you absoluely positively HAVE to have one > for a Kolb MkIII. I had intended on having one, because I understood they > were required equipment. Is there an allowable legal alternative to an > ELT? (that is affordable?) > > Mike Welch Kolb MkIII > > > Do Not Archive > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.