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1. 05:27 AM - ELTs and other safety devices (Mike Welch)
2. 09:54 AM - Re: ELTs and other safety devices (pj.ladd)
3. 10:07 AM - Re: SPOT (David Lucas)
4. 10:17 AM - Re: ELTs and other safety devices (robert bean)
5. 10:18 AM - Re: Re: SPOT (Guy Morgan)
6. 10:38 AM - Re: ELTs and other safety devices (Kolbdriver)
7. 11:06 AM - Re: ELTs and other safety devices (planecrazzzy)
8. 12:00 PM - VG's effect on Runway Leingth (JetPilot)
9. 01:14 PM - winter flight (Ralph B)
10. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Richard Girard)
11. 01:33 PM - Re: VG's effect on Runway Leingth (robert bean)
12. 01:35 PM - Re: VG's effect on Runway Leingth (Richard Girard)
13. 02:28 PM - Re: VG's effect on Runway Leingth (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
14. 02:34 PM - Re: SPOT (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
15. 02:49 PM - Re: winter flight (Ben Ransom)
16. 03:04 PM - Re: ELTs and other safety devices (JetPilot)
17. 03:24 PM - Re: SPOT (JetPilot)
18. 04:04 PM - Re: ELTs and other safety devices (Larry Bourne)
19. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (Charlie England)
20. 06:10 PM - Re: SPOT (JetPilot)
21. 07:13 PM - Re: Re: SPOT (robert bean)
22. 08:15 PM - Re: ELTs and other safety devices (planecrazzzy)
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| Subject: | ELTs and other safety devices |
Hello Carlos,
Thanks for the reply, Carlos, but I wasn't questioning the logics of whether
or not to have an ELT. I was asking "IF" we had to have one, since there were
those that said the ELTs were practically useless. And if they are that useless,
then what can I use to replace them (legally) with?
I am reasonably familiar with ELTs, and pretty much know their intended value.
But I also know they don't seem to perform worth a damn in many cases. As
someone pointed out, the S & R teams have found OTHER airplane crash sites (that
most likely had ELTs go off) while they were out looking for poor old Steve
Fossett. Where in the heck is he, anyway!!!??
And remember a few years ago about that nutjob that deliberately crashed his
F-16 into the mountains of Colorado. If I recall correctly, it took them almost
a month to find this dweeb.
What I would like is a device that does what you'd expect it to do, works EVERY
time, and is legal.
God forbid, if any of us ever went down in the middle of no-where, we'd like
to be that lucky fella on the evening news, climbing out of a helicopter, after
being rescued.
And, as a matter of practice, I generally ask for "Flight Following" from the
local ATC folks, on long distance trips. For me, it is comforting to know someone
has a little bit of an idea of where I am, besides me. This is why I will
also be installing a Mode C transponder (with altitude reporting) in my MkIII.
Mike Welch MkIII, getting its Poly Fiber look, finally.
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| Subject: | Re: ELTs and other safety devices |
This is why I will also be installing a Mode C transponder (with altitude
reporting) in my MkIII.>>
Hi Mike
strange is it not that in this country we will almost certainly be forced to
fit transponders, by a European directive, in the very near future and
everyone is fighting it tooth and nail. We regard it as an imposed expense,
a weight problem when so many ultralights are are within a whisker of the
limit, and a furthur incursion into our rapidly diminishing `freedom of the
air`.
Perhaps too it is a reflection of the type of country we generally fly over.
Unless you happened to go down in the mountains of Wales or Scotland you
would be hard pressed to find an area where someone didn`t see you land. On
the the other hand only a few years ago the wreckage of a Spitfire was found
within 20 miles of London which had been there since 1940.
This had been a most interesting thread. I was undr the impression that once
an ELT was activated recue reaction would be almost immediate. It seems not.
Cheers
Pat
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Found quite an interesting overview/comparison of 121.5/243 Verses 406 MHz ELT's at this New Zealand site; http://www.nztbf.org.nz/epirb.htm
David.
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| Subject: | Re: ELTs and other safety devices |
Pat/all, I have a new, unused ELT, still in the box, somewhere on
the KolbRack in the shop.
I rarely think about it except during list conversations on the subject.
I subdue an inner chuckle, thinking that by the time I actually
install it, it will be obsolete
(but still mandatory???)
If it retains its position of being a legal gadget, by virtue of the
grandfather status, it will be easy to
"install" it retroactively on a blank area in the logbook, dated
appropriately.
Same thing with conventional gear write offs..... enter a couple
hours of taildragger time
in the wayback machine, in one of your dusty old logbooks, like say,
1975 or so. :)
-anonymouse.
On 11, Jan 2008, at 12:53 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> This is why I will also be installing a Mode C transponder (with
> altitude reporting) in my MkIII.>>
>
> Hi Mike
> strange is it not that in this country we will almost certainly be
> forced to fit transponders, by a European directive, in the very
> near future and everyone is fighting it tooth and nail. We regard
> it as an imposed expense, a weight problem when so many ultralights
> are are within a whisker of the limit, and a furthur incursion into
> our rapidly diminishing `freedom of the air`.
> Perhaps too it is a reflection of the type of country we generally
> fly over. Unless you happened to go down in the mountains of Wales
> or Scotland you would be hard pressed to find an area where someone
> didn`t see you land. On the the other hand only a few years ago the
> wreckage of a Spitfire was found within 20 miles of London which
> had been there since 1940.
>
> This had been a most interesting thread. I was undr the impression
> that once an ELT was activated recue reaction would be almost
> immediate. It seems not.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
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That would depend on how your Kolb is registered. The FAR's will tell
you what's required. I maintain Part 135 helicopters and we are now
required to have SARSAT 406 ELT's, I believe for 10 or more passengers.
I interface them with the GPS and the ELT is programmable with the ICAO
number (Octal coded N-number) which is located on the registration.
Best Regards,
Guy Morgan
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From: Carlos<mailto:grageda@innw.net>
To: kolb-list@matronics.com<mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:53 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT
<grageda@innw.net<mailto:grageda@innw.net>>
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From: "Mike Welch"
<mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com<mailto:mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>>
To: <kolb-list@matronics.com<mailto:kolb-list@matronics.com>>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT
<mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com<mailto:mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>>
>
>
>
>
>> The old ELTs have about the same effectiveness as that Transport
>> Security felon that gropes you & looks up your behind before you
can get
>> on an airliner (while 100% of the freight you'll be sitting on in
the
>> plane goes unchecked).
>
>> Charlie
>
>
> Poignant comment about the Airport Security situation, Charlie!!
When I
> was coming home from my Missouri visit just over a week ago, I
watched a
> TSA woman (the airport security people) COMPLETELY search a 30ish
> young lady. Now, this young lady looked like she could have been a
1st
> grade teacher or church choir member. Maybe she worked at some
title
> company, or an insurance office. But whatever the heck she does, I
didn't
> think it would seem to warrant the going over she got from the
> "Authorities". You'd have thought she had plastique in her skirt,
or
> maybe she was packing a 44 Magnum under her lace sweater. Morons.
We're
> overrun with stupid freaking morons!!!
>
> That aside, I do have a question. IF ELTs aren't all that
affective to
> getting people to find you, do you absoluely positively HAVE to have
one
> for a Kolb MkIII. I had intended on having one, because I
understood they
> were required equipment. Is there an allowable legal alternative to
an
> ELT? (that is affordable?)
>
> Mike Welch Kolb MkIII
>
>
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| Subject: | ELTs and other safety devices |
Bob,
I like the way you think... :-)
The list DH will probably come out of hiding and have something to say
now!!! LOL
Mike
Oak Grove Missouri
Mark III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs Suzuki G13B 1.3L -
0hrs Started with Big Lar still behind...
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELTs and other safety devices
Pat/all, I have a new, unused ELT, still in the box, somewhere on
the KolbRack in the shop.
I rarely think about it except during list conversations on the subject.
I subdue an inner chuckle, thinking that by the time I actually
install it, it will be obsolete
(but still mandatory???)
If it retains its position of being a legal gadget, by virtue of the
grandfather status, it will be easy to
"install" it retroactively on a blank area in the logbook, dated
appropriately.
Same thing with conventional gear write offs..... enter a couple
hours of taildragger time
in the wayback machine, in one of your dusty old logbooks, like say,
1975 or so. :)
-anonymouse.
On 11, Jan 2008, at 12:53 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
> This is why I will also be installing a Mode C transponder (with
> altitude reporting) in my MkIII.>>
>
> Hi Mike
> strange is it not that in this country we will almost certainly be
> forced to fit transponders, by a European directive, in the very
> near future and everyone is fighting it tooth and nail. We regard
> it as an imposed expense, a weight problem when so many ultralights
> are are within a whisker of the limit, and a furthur incursion into
> our rapidly diminishing `freedom of the air`.
> Perhaps too it is a reflection of the type of country we generally
> fly over. Unless you happened to go down in the mountains of Wales
> or Scotland you would be hard pressed to find an area where someone
> didn`t see you land. On the the other hand only a few years ago the
> wreckage of a Spitfire was found within 20 miles of London which
> had been there since 1940.
>
> This had been a most interesting thread. I was undr the impression
> that once an ELT was activated recue reaction would be almost
> immediate. It seems not.
>
> Cheers
>
> Pat
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ELTs and other safety devices |
I have an ELT because I "HAVE TO"
You statement about the plane was wrong...
It was a A-10 "Warthog"
.
.
.
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote:
> Hello Carlos,
>
>
> And remember a few years ago about that nutjob that deliberately crashed his
F-16 into the mountains of Colorado. If I recall correctly, it took them almost
a month to find this dweeb.
>
> Mike Welch MkIII, getting its Poly Fiber look, finally.
>
>
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| Subject: | VG's effect on Runway Leingth |
A picture is worth a thousand words, so below are a couple pictures.
First picture is my Kolbs runway without VG's, Second is my Kolbs runway with
VG's. Any questions [Wink]
--------
"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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I took a flight on December 15th from Maple Plain, MN
(my local airstrip) and experienced a slight problem with
the engine. After setting up the plane and dressing up in
my snowmobile suit, I tried starting the engine with closed
throttle and it wouldn't start. It popped and refused to start.
The temp outside was 15 degrees and I really wanted to fly
as I hadn't flown in quite awhile with the poor weather. I
adjusted the idle speed and the cable screw on top of the
carburetor. I finally got it started and it idled reasonably
well enough to be safe in the air.
Flying in the colder temps presents some problems in open
cockpit planes. When I climbed into the cockpit, my glasses
frosted up so I couldn't see. Not good. I waited a bit for my
breath to stop fogging up the face shield and glasses. I also
knew that once in the air, everything would clear up, so I took
off with one lens slightly fogged and it did clear at 500'.
I felt good knowing that the engine was running well and I
would have a good flight. The plan was to stay over the frozen
lake area all afternoon.
I flew for a couple of hours and it was time to head back to the
field. I flew back and set up an approach. Upon landing, I came back
on the throttle and sure enough it died on me. I was about a hundred
feet away from the car and trailer and didn't want to push the plane
back. So I got out, started it up, and let it push itself. This is a
tricky technique and unique to ultralight-type aircraft. It requires
a hand close to the throttle and kill switch should the plane try to
get away.
I packed it up and put it away for the day, but was wondering what
would cause it quit and why it wouldn't idle. During the course of
the week, I took the carb float bowl off and sprayed it with carb
cleaner. I also removed the idle jet and idle mixture screw. I
sprayed both of these. All of this takes less than 10 minutes to do.
I put the float bowl back on and let it sit until last Saturday (Jan
5th) when I decided to go flying again.
I trailered the plane to the lake and set up. It was nice and sunny
in the morning and when I was ready to fly, the fog rolled in. Darn
it! The engine started well and idled just fine. The carb cleaning
must have cleared whatever was blocking the idle circuit. I was happy!
I waited around for the fog to lift. After an hour and a half of
waiting, I finally decided to go home, get something to eat and come
back in an hour. By then, the fog had lifted and the visibility was 3
miles. Good, I'm going for it. I jumped in and took off. Wow, I'm
flying at last and it's not a bad day. I stayed around the lake area
and the winds were picking up to about 10-15 mph. I did several touch-
n-goes on Cooks Bay and had a good time. I attracted the attention of
the Lake Minnetonka Water Patrol and others. They watched as I was
having my fun.
The engine ran as it should and I had a great flight. I suspect that
some ice had got into the idle jet and prevented the engine from
idling on that first winter flight. The carb cleaning did the trick.
This experience is to let others know about winter flying and the
possibility of icing in the carb. In 2-stroke engines, icing isn't as
much a problem as in a 4-stroke engine. As the ice the builds, it has
a difficult time sticking to the inside of carb due to the oil
mixture. The mixed oil prevents ice from building, however, small
particles can block the fine holes in the idle jet as I experienced
on that first winter flight.
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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Mike, Just looked this one up the other night. FAR 91.207a. For the single
seat guys 91.207f(9) is your out.
Rick
On Jan 11, 2008 1:17 AM, Carlos <grageda@innw.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Most of the low end ELT's run about $200.00 more or less. They use 'D'
> size
> Duracell batteries instead of the manufacturer's own custom battery packs
> (usually high dollar lead weights).
>
> They are not difficult to install and do provide a bit of a safety net if
> you should unfortunately need it.
>
> They are required in aircraft carrying two or more people. I believe are
> are exceptions but, these exceptions would not apply to us in any case due
> to the limitations they contain.
>
> Safety equipment is one of those things that dont make a plane go faster,
> higher, farther or add to the looks of the plane. People tend to want to
> skimp on this stuff especially if it is required and seems to offer little
> or no benefit or feels uncomfortable to wear or use.
>
> Just remember that Dale Ernhardt was offered the use of the HANs gear and
> he
> said it limited his visibility and movement and so declined to use it.
>
> I wished he would have used it.
>
> All I can say is buy the Best that you can afford because how much is your
> life worth to you and your family?
>
> Best Regards,
> Carlos G.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Welch" <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com>
> To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:50 PM
> Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Re: SPOT
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> The old ELTs have about the same effectiveness as that Transport
> >> Security felon that gropes you & looks up your behind before you can
> get
> >> on an airliner (while 100% of the freight you'll be sitting on in the
> >> plane goes unchecked).
> >
> >> Charlie
> >
> >
> > Poignant comment about the Airport Security situation, Charlie!! When
> I
> > was coming home from my Missouri visit just over a week ago, I watched a
> > TSA woman (the airport security people) COMPLETELY search a 30ish
> > young lady. Now, this young lady looked like she could have been a 1st
> > grade teacher or church choir member. Maybe she worked at some title
> > company, or an insurance office. But whatever the heck she does, I
> didn't
> > think it would seem to warrant the going over she got from the
> > "Authorities". You'd have thought she had plastique in her skirt, or
> > maybe she was packing a 44 Magnum under her lace sweater. Morons.
> We're
> > overrun with stupid freaking morons!!!
> >
> > That aside, I do have a question. IF ELTs aren't all that affective to
> > getting people to find you, do you absoluely positively HAVE to have one
> > for a Kolb MkIII. I had intended on having one, because I understood
> they
> > were required equipment. Is there an allowable legal alternative to an
> > ELT? (that is affordable?)
> >
> > Mike Welch Kolb MkIII
> >
> >
> > Do Not Archive
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VG's effect on Runway Leingth |
Steve B's are those long blue ones.
On 11, Jan 2008, at 2:59 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> A picture is worth a thousand words, so below are a couple pictures.
>
> First picture is my Kolbs runway without VG's, Second is my Kolbs
> runway with VG's. Any questions [Wink]
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157518#157518
>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VG's effect on Runway Leingth |
So if you put on VG's you can't get the Kolb lined up with the runway? :-)
Rick
On Jan 11, 2008 1:59 PM, JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> A picture is worth a thousand words, so below are a couple pictures.
>
> First picture is my Kolbs runway without VG's, Second is my Kolbs runway
> with VG's. Any questions [Wink]
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157518#157518
>
>
> Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: VG's effect on Runway Leingth |
If you need that long of a runway for your kolb you need a whole lot more
than just VGs.
I sill would like to see a objective comparison between the same airplane
with VGs and without.
Do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: VG's effect on Runway Leingth
>
> A picture is worth a thousand words, so below are a couple pictures.
>
> First picture is my Kolbs runway without VG's, Second is my Kolbs runway
> with VG's. Any questions [Wink]
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157518#157518
>
>
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>
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Charlie England wrote: << ... the old ELTs, there's something like 97%
false rate on ELT trip events, and a virtually 0% 'save' rate on the 3%
that are real. >>
My experience tells a different story.
In the 1990s, I suffered a power failure in my Tri Pacer while flying
over the mountains in south-eastern Arizona. I executed an emergency
landing in the wilderness of the Chiricahua Mountains, many tens of
miles from the nearest town. During the landing, the airplane flipped
over, and set off the ELT. Fortunately, neither my wife nor I were hurt
in the accident.
Within 45 minutes of that "off airport" landing, a DPS helicopter (Dept
of Public Safety) arrived at the scene. It flew in from Tucson, 50
miles away, dispatched by the controllers at the Tucson International
Airport who saw my signal on their radar screens. They pinpointed
exactly the location of my downed Tri Pacer. There were EMTs on board,
with medical rescue equipment. Glad we didn't need to utilize their
services.
But I was happy my taxpayer's dollars provided me with that helicopter
and medics, at the crucial time, just in case we might've needed them.
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3, 912ul
Cedar Crest, NM
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| Subject: | Re: winter flight |
Interesting on the carb Ralph. I've had idle issues too. One problem
can be noise suppression spark plugs -- higher resistance, so weaker
spark, especially when the thing is at idle so not much current
developed. The other problem I've experienced is a small air leak. I
once spent a long long time trying to find the cause of idle cut-out and
this turned out to be the culprit. A small amount of stray suction air
is a big percentage of the fuel/air mixture at idle. A shop vac in
blower mode put up to the exhaust outlet, with just a cupped hand so as
not to apply too much air pressure, plus a soap/water spray bottle will
turn up the problem very easily. Mine was on the exhaust manifold.
Ever since, I've used gasket sealer on the exhaust gaskets.
-Ben
Ralph B wrote:
>
> I took a flight on December 15th from Maple Plain, MN
> (my local airstrip) and experienced a slight problem with
> the engine. After setting up the plane and dressing up in
> my snowmobile suit, I tried starting the engine with closed
> throttle and it wouldn't start. It popped and refused to start.
> The temp outside was 15 degrees and I really wanted to fly
> as I hadn't flown in quite awhile with the poor weather. I
> adjusted the idle speed and the cable screw on top of the
> carburetor. I finally got it started and it idled reasonably
> well enough to be safe in the air.
>
> Flying in the colder temps presents some problems in open
> cockpit planes. When I climbed into the cockpit, my glasses
> frosted up so I couldn't see. Not good. I waited a bit for my
> breath to stop fogging up the face shield and glasses. I also
> knew that once in the air, everything would clear up, so I took
> off with one lens slightly fogged and it did clear at 500'.
> I felt good knowing that the engine was running well and I
> would have a good flight. The plan was to stay over the frozen
> lake area all afternoon.
>
> I flew for a couple of hours and it was time to head back to the
> field. I flew back and set up an approach. Upon landing, I came back
> on the throttle and sure enough it died on me. I was about a hundred
> feet away from the car and trailer and didn't want to push the plane
> back. So I got out, started it up, and let it push itself. This is a
> tricky technique and unique to ultralight-type aircraft. It requires
> a hand close to the throttle and kill switch should the plane try to
> get away.
>
> I packed it up and put it away for the day, but was wondering what
> would cause it quit and why it wouldn't idle. During the course of
> the week, I took the carb float bowl off and sprayed it with carb
> cleaner. I also removed the idle jet and idle mixture screw. I
> sprayed both of these. All of this takes less than 10 minutes to do.
> I put the float bowl back on and let it sit until last Saturday (Jan
> 5th) when I decided to go flying again.
>
> I trailered the plane to the lake and set up. It was nice and sunny
> in the morning and when I was ready to fly, the fog rolled in. Darn
> it! The engine started well and idled just fine. The carb cleaning
> must have cleared whatever was blocking the idle circuit. I was happy!
>
> I waited around for the fog to lift. After an hour and a half of
> waiting, I finally decided to go home, get something to eat and come
> back in an hour. By then, the fog had lifted and the visibility was 3
> miles. Good, I'm going for it. I jumped in and took off. Wow, I'm
> flying at last and it's not a bad day. I stayed around the lake area
> and the winds were picking up to about 10-15 mph. I did several touch-
> n-goes on Cooks Bay and had a good time. I attracted the attention of
> the Lake Minnetonka Water Patrol and others. They watched as I was
> having my fun.
>
> The engine ran as it should and I had a great flight. I suspect that
> some ice had got into the idle jet and prevented the engine from
> idling on that first winter flight. The carb cleaning did the trick.
>
> This experience is to let others know about winter flying and the
> possibility of icing in the carb. In 2-stroke engines, icing isn't as
> much a problem as in a 4-stroke engine. As the ice the builds, it has
> a difficult time sticking to the inside of carb due to the oil
> mixture. The mixed oil prevents ice from building, however, small
> particles can block the fine holes in the idle jet as I experienced
> on that first winter flight.
>
> --------
> Ralph B
> Original Firestar
> N91493 E-AB
> 21 years flying it
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157530#157530
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ELTs and other safety devices |
mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote:
>
>
> What I would like is a device that does what you'd expect it to do, works EVERY
time, and is legal.
>
>
NOTHING works EVERY time. With expectations like that, you better not get into
aviation.
As far as ELT's, they are very good. You seem to have gotten the idea from somewhere
that ELT's rarely work, which is pure BS. If the ELT does not activate
by itself, you can flip a switch and activate it manually. If the crash was
so severe as to destroy your ELT, you would have died 10 times over anyways,
so it will not be an issue.
mdnanwelch7(at)hotmail.co wrote:
>
>
> the S & R teams have found OTHER airplane crash sites (that most likely had ELTs
go off)
>
>
I fly for the airlines, and a good percentage of airline pilots listen to 121.5
in the cruise portion of flight. That equates to thousands flights monitoring
ELT's all day, ever day, in ADDITION to the satellites. Unless you crash in
the south pole, someone is going to hear your ELT very quickly and report it
to air traffic control. It seems that you don't know as much about ELT's as
you think you do.... If you are looking for something that works EVERY time,
then you better not leave your living room, no chance of becomming lost while
sitting on your couch.
Mike
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have !!!
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ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne wrote:
> It can take a half-dozen passes (many
> hours) by the satellite to get the location in the right *state*.
>
That is pure BS, a good percentage of airline pilots listen on 121.5 durring cruise
for ELT signals and other emergency transmissions. That equates to thousands
of flights listening to ELT's every day, all over the world. A number of
times I been in an area where ATC asks us if we hear, and how strong we hear an
ELT, which gets its general location pretty quickly.
Elt's at airports are generally ignored, Unlike this Charlie guy bashing elt's,
the search and rescue people are not stupid, if there is a strong signal comming
from an airport, it is generally ignored, or given a low priority.
ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne wrote:
>
> Then
> there's the false alarm problem. Some of the certified units can be
> triggered unrelated electromagnetic radiation generated by a/c avionics.
> Duh...
>
>
The statement above is what really really made me question Charlies motivations
here. IF it has ever happened, it is so rare as to not even be a concern. Hard
landings account for almost all false alarms, or people that test improperly.
But then again, hard landings will activate the NEW ELT's just as they did
the old ones. So there will be no big difference in the number of false signals
as Charlie implies.
I don't know what this guys problem is, but we have a responsibility to post accurate
information here as many people act on recommendations they read here.
Nothing bothers me more to see someone post false and misleading information
that others might actually use.
I fly with an ELT, not just because of the law, but because they provide a much
greater chance of getting found quickly.
Mike Bigelow
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: ELTs and other safety devices |
Migawd, I thought I was forgotten by now. :-) Vamoose is living in
its' trailer at Santa Fe airport and is lonesome but not forgotten. Too
durned cold and too broke to work on it right yet.
Lar. Do not Archive.
Kolbdriver wrote:
>
> Bob,
>
> I like the way you think... :-)
>
>
> The list DH will probably come out of hiding and have something to say
> now!!! LOL
>
>
> Mike
> Oak Grove Missouri
> Mark III Classic (one of the last of Old Kolb) - 0hrs Suzuki G13B 1.3L -
> 0hrs Started with Big Lar still behind...
> Do not archive
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of robert bean
> Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 12:16 PM
> To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: ELTs and other safety devices
>
>
> Pat/all, I have a new, unused ELT, still in the box, somewhere on
> the KolbRack in the shop.
> I rarely think about it except during list conversations on the subject.
> I subdue an inner chuckle, thinking that by the time I actually
> install it, it will be obsolete
> (but still mandatory???)
> If it retains its position of being a legal gadget, by virtue of the
> grandfather status, it will be easy to
> "install" it retroactively on a blank area in the logbook, dated
> appropriately.
>
> Same thing with conventional gear write offs..... enter a couple
> hours of taildragger time
> in the wayback machine, in one of your dusty old logbooks, like say,
> 1975 or so. :)
>
> -anonymouse.
>
> On 11, Jan 2008, at 12:53 PM, pj.ladd wrote:
>
>
>>
>> This is why I will also be installing a Mode C transponder (with
>> altitude reporting) in my MkIII.>>
>>
>> Hi Mike
>> strange is it not that in this country we will almost certainly be
>> forced to fit transponders, by a European directive, in the very
>> near future and everyone is fighting it tooth and nail. We regard
>> it as an imposed expense, a weight problem when so many ultralights
>> are are within a whisker of the limit, and a furthur incursion into
>> our rapidly diminishing `freedom of the air`.
>> Perhaps too it is a reflection of the type of country we generally
>> fly over. Unless you happened to go down in the mountains of Wales
>> or Scotland you would be hard pressed to find an area where someone
>> didn`t see you land. On the the other hand only a few years ago the
>> wreckage of a Spitfire was found within 20 miles of London which
>> had been there since 1940.
>>
>> This had been a most interesting thread. I was undr the impression
>> that once an ELT was activated recue reaction would be almost
>> immediate. It seems not.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne wrote:
>> It can take a half-dozen passes (many hours) by the satellite to
>> get the location in the right *state*.
>>
>
>
> That is pure BS, a good percentage of airline pilots listen on 121.5
> durring cruise for ELT signals and other emergency transmissions.
> That equates to thousands of flights listening to ELT's every day,
> all over the world. A number of times I been in an area where ATC
> asks us if we hear, and how strong we hear an ELT, which gets its
> general location pretty quickly.
>
> Elt's at airports are generally ignored, Unlike this Charlie guy
> bashing elt's, the search and rescue people are not stupid, if there
> is a strong signal comming from an airport, it is generally ignored,
> or given a low priority.
>
Please reread what I wrote. I was talking about detection by satellite,
which is supposed to identify a search area. 121.5 satellites take
multiple passes to do this. To the best of my knowledge, a comm radio in
an airliner tuned to 121.5 has no direction finding capabilities. I
concede that detection by an airliner is likely to be as accurate as the
satellites. My experience with the false trip problem was that with my
ELT operating for almost 2 days, satellite info indicated that the ELT
was ~30 miles from the plane's actual location. Ground SAR crews went
where the satellite info directed them and of course, found nothing.
>
> ceengland(at)bellsouth.ne wrote:
>>
>> Then there's the false alarm problem. Some of the certified units
>> can be triggered unrelated electromagnetic radiation generated by
>> a/c avionics. Duh...
>>
>>
>
>
> The statement above is what really really made me question Charlies
> motivations here. IF it has ever happened, it is so rare as to not
> even be a concern. Hard landings account for almost all false
> alarms, or people that test improperly. But then again, hard
> landings will activate the NEW ELT's just as they did the old ones.
> So there will be no big difference in the number of false signals as
> Charlie implies.
>
> I don't know what this guys problem is, but we have a responsibility
> to post accurate information here as many people act on
> recommendations they read here. Nothing bothers me more to see
> someone post false and misleading information that others might
> actually use.
>
> I fly with an ELT, not just because of the law, but because they
> provide a much greater chance of getting found quickly.
>
> Mike Bigelow
>
False and misleading info that others might use bothers me, too. Hence,
this followup.
Here is a link to a single thread on ELTs being triggered by aircraft
systems.
http://vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?s=2a7167fdf920f4ee8a941fe04ed875c5&t=12077&pp=10
There are many others, if you're interested in looking for them.
My motivation (since you seem to question it) is to keep expectations
realistic on something as important as safety.
You might find your arguments more persuasive if you supply facts
instead of referring those with contrary opinions as stupid liars.
Fly safe,
Charlie
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Charlie,
As far as false activation, the great majority are caused by hard landings, and
people testing, no operating correctly. The amout of incidents caused by other
avionics as extremely low... This will affect new ELT's as well as the
old ones, so what is your point here ???? This has no bearing on weather you
will be found with an ELT or not.
As far as locating an ELT, you are just plain wrong. An airliner has no direction
finding capability, but a lot of them do. When ATC asks who is hearing it,
they have LOTS of planes, and can get the general position.
Even your revised " 30 miles " contradicts your previous statement about no being
able to locate which *state* it is in. Care to explain why in one post you
claimed that they had trouble determining the state, and in another you give
an error of 30 miles ? It does not help your credibility any to be flip flopping
like Hillary Clinton...
Here is some FACTUAL info that I do believe ...
"The USMCC (the people running the SARSAT program) still claim that the satellite
locates ELTs within 11nm 90% of the time and within 3 nm for 406MHz beacons."
-- LtCol Mark Fowler ACC/AFRCC
Its obvious the new ELT's are better, but there will still be false alarms, failures.
NOTHING works all the time. If you have one of the new 406 MHZ ELT's,
that is better. But the 121.5 ELT's still work very well for helping to find
you if you crash somewhere, so don't go pulling your ELT out of your plane just
becasues some fool says they dont work, its just not true.
And if anyone wants to learn about ELT's, how they perform, and how they can save
you, instead of listening to some flip flopping fool, read the facts at the
following links.
http://pansar.voices-inc.com/ELT.htm
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have !!!
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--or you could leave a trail of seafoam.
On 11, Jan 2008, at 9:10 PM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> Charlie,
>
> As far as false activation, the great majority are caused by hard
> landings, and people testing, no operating correctly. The amout
> of incidents caused by other avionics as extremely low... This
> will affect new ELT's as well as the old ones, so what is your
> point here ???? This has no bearing on weather you will be found
> with an ELT or not.
>
> As far as locating an ELT, you are just plain wrong. An airliner
> has no direction finding capability, but a lot of them do. When
> ATC asks who is hearing it, they have LOTS of planes, and can get
> the general position.
>
> Even your revised " 30 miles " contradicts your previous statement
> about no being able to locate which *state* it is in. Care to
> explain why in one post you claimed that they had trouble
> determining the state, and in another you give an error of 30
> miles ? It does not help your credibility any to be flip flopping
> like Hillary Clinton...
>
> Here is some FACTUAL info that I do believe ...
>
> "The USMCC (the people running the SARSAT program) still claim that
> the satellite locates ELTs within 11nm 90% of the time and within 3
> nm for 406MHz beacons." -- LtCol Mark Fowler ACC/AFRCC
>
> Its obvious the new ELT's are better, but there will still be false
> alarms, failures. NOTHING works all the time. If you have one of
> the new 406 MHZ ELT's, that is better. But the 121.5 ELT's still
> work very well for helping to find you if you crash somewhere, so
> don't go pulling your ELT out of your plane just becasues some fool
> says they dont work, its just not true.
>
> And if anyone wants to learn about ELT's, how they perform, and how
> they can save you, instead of listening to some flip flopping fool,
> read the facts at the following links.
>
> http://pansar.voices-inc.com/ELT.htm
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157566#157566
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: ELTs and other safety devices |
No Big Lar,
Your NOT forgotten....
We just "whisper" Vamoose now.....
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
PS Will I "Beat Big Lar in da Air" With my SECOND plane too ???
.
.
.
[quote="biglar"]Migawd, I thought I was forgotten by now. :-) Vamoose is living
in its' trailer at Santa Fe airport and is lonesome but not forgotten. Too
durned cold and too broke to work on it right yet. Lar.
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Kolbdriver wrote: [quote]
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