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1. 06:00 AM - Kolb-List Real Airplane :-) (BMWBikeCrz@aol.com)
2. 07:57 AM - Re: SPOT (boyd)
3. 08:15 AM - Re: SPOT (JetPilot)
4. 08:23 AM - Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL)
5. 08:31 AM - Re: VG's effect on Runway Leingth (JetPilot)
6. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: SPOT (Russ Kinne)
7. 08:44 AM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (Russ Kinne)
8. 08:46 AM - Re: Re: VG's effect on Runway Leingth (russ kinne)
9. 09:24 AM - iron for fabric repair (henry.voris)
10. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (John Hauck)
11. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: SPOT (beauford T)
12. 11:20 AM - Re: iron for fabric repair (Jimmy Hankinson)
13. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (N27SB@aol.com)
14. 11:32 AM - Re: Re: SPOT (N27SB@aol.com)
15. 11:37 AM - Firefly goes International (N27SB@aol.com)
16. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (John Hauck)
17. 11:41 AM - Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (icrashrc)
18. 11:49 AM - Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (John Hauck)
19. 11:56 AM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (N27SB@aol.com)
20. 11:59 AM - Re: Kolb-List Real Airplane :-) (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
21. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
22. 12:13 PM - Re: Kolb-List Real Airplane :-) (N27SB@aol.com)
23. 01:22 PM - 1/2 VW on Firefly (KenB)
24. 01:49 PM - Re: Kolb-List Real Airplane :-) (Ralph B)
25. 01:55 PM - Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (Ralph B)
26. 04:41 PM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (Dana Hague)
27. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (John Hauck)
28. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (TK)
29. 05:31 PM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (Dana Hague)
30. 05:35 PM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (Russ Kinne)
31. 05:41 PM - Re: 1/2 VW on Firefly (herbgh@juno.com)
32. 06:06 PM - Re: Kolb-List Real Airplane :-) (herbgh@juno.com)
33. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (Larry Bourne)
34. 07:25 PM - Sealing tubes form the outside; in reference to rotten cage tubes (Richard Girard)
35. 08:29 PM - Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. (olendorf)
36. 09:31 PM - Re: 1/2 VW on Firefly (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
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| Subject: | Kolb-List Real Airplane :-) |
My Local DAR says its an airplane :-)
Therefore it is !
I want to replace my strutts with new streamlined tubing anyone done this ? I
dont want to use the covers if I dont have to
Dave ... Pilot of the "Sofa King" Firestar KX
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Elt's at airports are generally ignored, Unlike this Charlie guy bashing
elt's, the search and rescue people are not stupid, if there is a strong
signal coming from an airport, it is generally ignored, or given a low
priority.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
When visiting with the operator at the fbo where I fly.... it may be true
that the S&R does not respond... but the fbo gets a call to investigate and
silence the offending elt. He has been told that the calls are initiated
by local aircraft, airliners, US and even soviet satellites.
Boyd
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slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
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> --or you could leave a trail of seafoam.
>
>
There is an interesting idea, does that stuff really work ???
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
"John Hauck" writes: << May have corroded from inside out. Primary
reason to use tube seal inside the fuselage and other 4130 tubes. Just
cause you can not see it, does not mean it ain't rusting away while you
sleep and fly. >>
John, and All -
My question is, how did moisture get inside the tube in the first place?
I agree that using Tube Seal may prevent rust from forming on the inside
of the tube, but all the tubes on my Kolb's cage are welded at each end.
No openings for Tube Seal, or water to get in. (I'm pretty sure.)
So how how d'ya suppose water got into Olendorf's Firestar cage tubes?
Maybe a cracked weld somewhere, and then getting left outside in the
rain?
Dennis Kirby
Mark-3 Classic, in
New Mexico
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| Subject: | Re: VG's effect on Runway Leingth |
I was hoping someone would see the humor in that :) When I saw how that picture
turned out, I just had to post it. At 11,200 feet long, even the newbies I
often let fly can hit it most of the time...
That does look short ! Do you go over, or turn away from the power lines ? The
cows in the next field look like interesting targets [Wink] Do they run or
just ignore you as you fly over ?
Mike
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have !!!
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I've heard that SeaFoam is so delicious that the wild creatures eat
up the cookie-crumb-trail before it can be followed
On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:15 AM, JetPilot wrote:
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> slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
>>
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>> --or you could leave a trail of seafoam.
>>
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>
>
> There is an interesting idea, does that stuff really work ???
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158002#158002
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
Often a welder will make a small hole on the under side of a tube
somewhere, to relieve any buildup of air pressure when making the
final weld. Was plugged with beeswax, before SeaFoam was invented.
I knew a salvage Captain in the Caribbean who had a 4-seat steel
tube-&-fabric plane aboard his 90' salvage tug; hoisted aboard and
launched by crane., He went to the factory & checked until he found a
newly-made airframe that did not leak any air pressure. Then he had
it filled with oil, and the filler-hole plugged, and left it there.
Added some 20 lbs of weight, but those tubes are NEVER going to rust
from the inside out.
John H's practise of using tube seal is lots easier & likely just as
good. Listen to the experienced pilots!
On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:22 AM, Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL wrote:
> <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
>
> "John Hauck" writes: << May have corroded from inside out. Primary
> reason to use tube seal inside the fuselage and other 4130 tubes.
> Just
> cause you can not see it, does not mean it ain't rusting away while
> you
> sleep and fly. >>
>
> John, and All -
>
> My question is, how did moisture get inside the tube in the first
> place?
>
> I agree that using Tube Seal may prevent rust from forming on the
> inside
> of the tube, but all the tubes on my Kolb's cage are welded at each
> end.
> No openings for Tube Seal, or water to get in. (I'm pretty sure.)
>
> So how how d'ya suppose water got into Olendorf's Firestar cage tubes?
> Maybe a cracked weld somewhere, and then getting left outside in the
> rain?
>
> Dennis Kirby
> Mark-3 Classic, in
> New Mexico
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: VG's effect on Runway Leingth |
Cows run. Where do you think whipped cream comes from??
On Jan 14, 2008, at 11:31 AM, JetPilot wrote:
>
> I was hoping someone would see the humor in that :) When I saw
> how that picture turned out, I just had to post it. At 11,200 feet
> long, even the newbies I often let fly can hit it most of the time...
>
> That does look short ! Do you go over, or turn away from the power
> lines ? The cows in the next field look like interesting targets
> [Wink] Do they run or just ignore you as you fly over ?
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast
> as you could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=158011#158011
>
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| Subject: | iron for fabric repair |
14jan08
Fellow Kolbers...
I have to perform a repair on a tear in the fabric on my plane's wing...
I'm looking for information on a good iron...
A. Brand?
B. Where to purchase?
C. Same questions on a unit to calibrate the iron's temperature.
Thanks..
Aloha,
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Henry
Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
> "John Hauck" writes: << May have corroded from inside out. Primary
> reason to use tube seal inside the fuselage and other 4130 tubes. Just
> cause you can not see it, does not mean it ain't rusting away while you
> sleep and fly. >>
>
> John, and All -
>
> My question is, how did moisture get inside the tube in the first place?
>
> Dennis Kirby
Hi Dennis K:
Moisture gets inside the tubes because the tubes are not sealed completely
by welding. Usually there are a few pin holes here and there that are
undetectable with the naked eye.
If there is a pin hole in a weld, the tube seal will find it and seal it up.
If a weld cracks, tube seal will let you know with a tell tale black streak
from the crack.
john h
mkIII
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slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
--or you could leave a trail of seafoam.
-------------------
...My Bride claims that as I have drifted more deeply into my dotage, I
occasionally tend to
leave a trail which closely resembles Seafoam as I move about... I believe
she is overstating
things a bit...but will check more frequently...
break break..
A non-Kolb item...but one which can impact any of us driving Kolbs..
Sad story here in the local area day before yesterday... fella in his 30's
taking his
parents for a sightseeing ride around the Tampa - St. Pete area in a rented
C-172 put it
into the bay about a thousand feet short of the runway, killing them all .
He was cleared to land on 22, but
appeared to line up on 27... tower called him and pointed out the problem...
Following this communication the tower controller said the airplane rolled
hard to the right, overcorrected
back to the left, rolled back to the right again, then pitched up, stalled,
and dove into the water...
At first take, sounds kinda like a classic case of becoming distracted and
neglecting to fly the
airplane... He had been flying about 4 years... flew once a month the paper
said. They didn't
know how much time he had. NTSB ought to have their conclusion in a few
months...
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FF-076
Brandon, FL
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| Subject: | iron for fabric repair |
A good iron for repairs on a tear is a radio control molders covering iron,
available at hobby shops.
A good test heat unit is found at Harbor Freight, it is a hand held point
and read instrument, sells for about $65.00 and can be bought on sale for
$35.00. Also good for reading CHT on the engine.
Jimmy Hankinson
Rocky Ford, Ga.
N6007L Firefly
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
John, what is the best location to drill holes for the seal injection
In a message dated 1/14/2008 12:30:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "John Hauck" <jhauck@elmore.rr.com>
> "John Hauck" writes: << May have corroded from inside out. Primary
> reason to use tube seal inside the fuselage and other 4130 tubes. Just
> cause you can not see it, does not mean it ain't rusting away while you
> sleep and fly. >>
>
> John, and All -
>
> My question is, how did moisture get inside the tube in the first place?
>
> Dennis Kirby
Hi Dennis K:
Moisture gets inside the tubes because the tubes are not sealed completely
by welding. Usually there are a few pin holes here and there that are
undetectable with the naked eye.
If there is a pin hole in a weld, the tube seal will find it and seal it up.
If a weld cracks, tube seal will let you know with a tell tale black streak
from the crack.
john h
mkIII
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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Saw that on the news, Sad story, Airspeed is everything.
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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| Subject: | Firefly goes International |
Mike of SilverFern Microlight in the UK was nice enough to send me a few
copies of the UK magazine MF. (That's for Microlight Flyer for those of you
that are more familiar with that acronym here) They did a Cover Story on the
Firefly and the new UL catagory. Thanks Mike Nice Magazine,Nice story
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
Steve B:
I usually drill 1/8" hole near a weld at the end of main tubes which I
consider catastrophic is they should fail. The little bracing tubes
that would not have a catastrophic effect on flight I usually do not
inject tube seal.
I haven't bought any tube seal since 1984 so I do not know what kind of
instructions are on the cans of newer stuff. The old Stitts Tube Seal
had instructions in ccm for diameter and lenght of tubing. I get large
hyperdermic needles and syringes from my Vet which are graduated in ccm.
After the tube seal goes in I seal the hole with an 1/8" aluminum closed
end pop rivet.
If there are pin holes in the welds, the tube seal will seal them. If
you should develop a crack, tube seal will leave a tell tale streak of
black to let you know you have a problem.
john h
mkIII
----- Original Message -----
From: N27SB@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached.
John, what is the best location to drill holes for the seal injection
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
John,
Do you drill a small hole in each tube for the tube seal, then weld it closed when
finished? Thanks,
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Scott
www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
Hi Scott:
Just posted procedure to the Kolb List. Pasted it below:
I usually drill 1/8" hole near a weld at the end of main tubes which I consider
catastrophic is they should fail. The little bracing tubes that would not have
a catastrophic effect on flight I usually do not inject tube seal.
I haven't bought any tube seal since 1984 so I do not know what kind of instructions
are on the cans of newer stuff. The old Stitts Tube Seal had instructions
in ccm for diameter and lenght of tubing. I get large hyperdermic needles
and syringes from my Vet which are graduated in ccm.
After the tube seal goes in I seal the hole with an 1/8" aluminum closed end pop
rivet.
If there are pin holes in the welds, the tube seal will seal them. If you should
develop a crack, tube seal will leave a tell tale streak of black to let you
know you have a problem.
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John Hauck
MKIII/912ULS
hauck's holler, alabama
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
In a message dated 1/14/2008 2:39:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jhauck@elmore.rr.com writes:
Steve B:
I usually drill 1/8" hole near a weld at the end of main tubes which I
consider catastrophic is they should fail. The little bracing tubes that would
not have a catastrophic effect on flight I usually do not inject tube seal.
I haven't bought any tube seal since 1984 so I do not know what kind of
instructions are on the cans of newer stuff.
John, Funny, but I have a can from about 1984 also. I have been meaning to
do that on the Old FF as well as on the new one. Thanks
Steve
Firefly 007/Floats
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Real Airplane :-) |
Dave I have rplaced my wing struts with the streamline Aluminum strut
Material its a good idea to do that on a Kolb to lose some drag
Ellery
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
condensation could sure make water in a welded solid airframe tube
1 cent worth 4 Yea
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Real Airplane :-) |
Ellery, did you check to make sure that the strut material you used meets
both the compression as well as the tension requirements?
steve
In a message dated 1/14/2008 3:00:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
ElleryWeld@aol.com writes:
Dave I have rplaced my wing struts with the streamline Aluminum strut
Material its a good idea to do that on a Kolb to lose some drag
Ellery
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| Subject: | 1/2 VW on Firefly |
Some time ago there was mention of someone with a firefly who was in the process
of mounting a vw. I dont remember who that individual was. Is there any who
can remember? And is there any more information as to how that project is proceeding?
With the price of fuel and oil, and the threat of increasing amount of
alcohol it sounds interesting.
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Real Airplane :-) |
> "ElleryWeld(at)aol.com"
>
> Dave I have rplaced my wing struts with the streamline Aluminum strut Material
its a good idea to do that on a Kolb to lose some drag
>
> Ellery
> Do Not Archive
I replaced mine on my Original Firestar (that often gets mistaken for a Firefly).
Mine are the kind with the tube inside and are all aluminum. I gained about
5 mph in cruise with them.
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Ralph B
Original Firestar
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
slyck(at)frontiernet.net wrote:
> Scott, I'll try to get back to you offlist.
> BB
>
> On 13, Jan 2008, at 2:35 PM, olendorf wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> > Today I was cleaning up the cage getting it ready to start painting
> > it with primer. I found a rotted tube. It wasn't noticeable
> > until I started wiping it down with a scrubbing pad. You can see
> > it is wet inside the tube.
> >
> > I had to test the other tubes as well and I didn't know how best to
> > do it. What I did was I took a piece of aluminum tubing and started
> > hitting the other tubes. When I came to the spot in the other side
> > of the cage I left a dent so I know that side was weak as well. I
> > guess that is a good way to test your tubing even if it is covered.
> >
> > It was good to find it now rather then while landing.
> >
> > So now I have two tubes that need to be replaced. Does anyone know
> > what size and type of tubing I will need? I plan on bringing it to
> > an aircraft repair shop but I would like to know the size in case I
> > need to provide my own material.
> >
> > --------
> > Scott Olendorf
> > Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
> > Schenectady, NY
> > http://KolbFirestar.googlepages.com
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=157840#157840
> >
> > Attachments:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rot_3_253.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rot_2_363.jpg
> > http://forums.matronics.com//files/rot_1_187.jpg
> >
> >
>
Scott, have you ever stored your plane outside or has it ever been on floats?
I've never seen anything like this before.
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Ralph B
Original Firestar
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
All that talk of sealing the _inside_ of the tubes... was the area in
question covered by fabric? Fabric can hold moisture against the outside
of the tube, and you never see the corrosion between the fabric and the
tube. That's what happened in the tail of my Taylorcraft (though
admittedly it had been an outside plane for many years). Nowadays lots of
people leave the very back lower section uncovered to avoid the problem.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
> All that talk of sealing the _inside_ of the tubes...
> -Dana
Dana:
Easy to see outside corrosion.
Impossible to see inside the tube until it rusts through.
Might get your attention if you should get involved overhauling Kolb
fuselages. Amazing what one finds when he starts cutting out old tubing.
Those that have not been tube sealed usually are suffering from internal
corrosion.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
John Hauck wrote:
>
> Hi Folks:
>
> May have corroded from inside out.
>
> Primary reason to use tube seal inside the fuselage and other 4130 tubes. Just
cause you can not see it, does not mean it ain't rusting away while you sleep
and fly.
>
> The awl punch test will tell you when the tube is about ready to fail. Won't
tell you anything about a tube that is rusting from inside out and not reached
the point that the awl will penetrate the corroded tube.
>
> I have been using one quart of Stitts Tube Seal for 24 years and three Kolb fuselages.
Still have a pint left. Never had a tube rust through, yet. ;-)
>
> Ignoring it will not make it go away.
>
> --------
> John Hauck
> MKIII/912ULS
> hauck's holler, alabama
>
Scott,
John is right about using tube seal. I used it on my FireFly with the
technique he describes. Tube seal is nothing more than Boiled Linseed
Oil that has been thinned about 50% with turpentine or paint thinner.
It's a lot cheaper to pick up a pint or quart of Boiled Linseed Oil and
thin it yourself. Make sure it's "Boiled Linseed Oil".
One other point, if you have pin holes already, the seal will leak out
for some time until it seals it, Can be messy if that occurs.
If memory serves me well, the cage tubes on a FireFly are .035 thick.
Don't know what your Original FireStar might be. Probably the same.
Good luck with the repairs, can you weld?
Terry - FireFly #95
P's. Can find the chart for how much to inject into teach tube if your
interested.
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
At 07:57 PM 1/14/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>Easy to see outside corrosion.
>
>Impossible to see inside the tube until it rusts through.
I realize that; my point was that even _outside_ corrosion may be unseen if
covered by fabric (until the fabric is removed, of course)... and that the
fabric, if it gets wet, can accelerate the corrosion.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
Just FYI -- West Marine has the SPOT for $150
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| Subject: | Re: 1/2 VW on Firefly |
The Half Vw fellow,Keith VanHousher, lives east of Knoxville tenn. Bryan Milburn
built his plane... His engine was brought to the Kolb Gathering and flown on
an old Firestar.. Flew very well... according to Keith his Firefly flies terrifically
with that engine..He would have had his Firefly at the gathering but
he had a conflicting trip planned.
The fly has single lift struts and two or more additional ribs per wing.. I think
the engine has an 84 stroke and 94 jugs..balanced by Scott Casler who has
a shop in Arizona.. Scott was with Morrey Hummel in Ohio earlier.. Builds and
sells full and half vw's.
Keith is a good guy... I just called him ..He has 18 hours on the engine currently..
2500 rpms gets between 55 and 60 mph.. I cruise my N3 Pup at 28 to 3150
rpms and see over 65 mph. So I would imagine that he will see near 70 at those
rpms.. I do not think I ever saw more than 2 gals an hour fuel burn on the
Pup..
He tells me that he has built a 90 stroke 94 bore half vw..Mailed the moving
parts to Scott to be balanced... Found the crank in California..from an advertiser
in Hot Vw's magazine, he could not recall the name of the company..
My half vw's weigh 84 lbs dry.. Globals..
I am impressed with both the full Vw installation and also the Half Vw install
for the firefly.. that were present at the gathering..
The half vw with a 54 to 56 inch prop lends itself to a low engine pusher such
as is on the Ultrastar.. I am planning to build a TRI FLY that will have some
ideas from the Ultrastar and Firefly..High boom pusher with training gear..longer
gear legs to improve the prop ground clearance.. half vw, Time will tell..:-)
Cooling is always the bugger when mounting a half or full vw in a pusher
config.. Herb
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Best deal on streamlined, aluminum lift struts is from Mary Carlson..Skytec aircraft..Herb
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
Thanks, Russ. I think I'm going to go ahead and buy
one. Lar.
Russ Kinne wrote:
>
> Just FYI -- West Marine has the SPOT for $150
>
>
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Santa Fe, NM
Building Kolb Mk III
"Vamoose"
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| Subject: | Sealing tubes form the outside; in reference to rotten cage |
tubes
Locktite make a weld porosity sealer that does a nice job of it. I suppose
it works by capillary action and is drawn down into any porosities in the
weld. I used it on a couple of paint mixing tanks I built for a customer way
back when. Last time I checked they were still leak free. Sorry, I don't
remember Locktite's number for it, I just remember it's green.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Rotten cage tubes found. Photos attached. |
The tubes sure look like they rusted from the inside. The outside of the tubes
looked normal. I like the tube seal idea after seeing these tubes. I received
some encouraging emails and after thinking about it I guess it isn't so bad.
I'll have it fixed in no time. I couldn't have found it at a better time.
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Scott Olendorf
Original Firestar, Rotax 447, Powerfin prop
Schenectady, NY
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| Subject: | Re: 1/2 VW on Firefly |
The attached photo is the 1/2 VW that was at the Kolb Homecoming 07. The
engine and installation was in a word rough looking but seemed to fly well
for what it was. I sure would like to see a redrive on one.
As for cooling I can't say on the 1/2 VW but my full VW runs a bit on the
cool side in the air. I do need to be careful on the ground. A guy called me
a few years ago looking to solve a over heating problem he was having with
his free air pusher VW. Turned out he was trying to break in the engine on
the ground like the Rotax guys do. I tried to convince the guy that it can't
be done without a large cooling blower something like they put on the car
engines. To this day the guy probably thinks there is something wrong with
his engine.
Starting my engine cold I can run it for 10-15 minutes at low power on the
ground before it starts to over heat. Once I start a fast taxi the temps
start to lower. In the air my CHTs never get over 300 degrees.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: <herbgh@juno.com>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 8:39 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: 1/2 VW on Firefly
>
> The Half Vw fellow,Keith VanHousher, lives east of Knoxville tenn. Bryan
> Milburn built his plane... His engine was brought to the Kolb Gathering
> and flown on an old Firestar.. Flew very well... according to Keith his
> Firefly flies terrifically with that engine..He would have had his Firefly
> at the gathering but he had a conflicting trip planned.
> The fly has single lift struts and two or more additional ribs per wing..
> I think the engine has an 84 stroke and 94 jugs..balanced by Scott Casler
> who has a shop in Arizona.. Scott was with Morrey Hummel in Ohio earlier..
> Builds and sells full and half vw's.
> Keith is a good guy... I just called him ..He has 18 hours on the engine
> currently.. 2500 rpms gets between 55 and 60 mph.. I cruise my N3 Pup at
> 28 to 3150 rpms and see over 65 mph. So I would imagine that he will see
> near 70 at those rpms.. I do not think I ever saw more than 2 gals an hour
> fuel burn on the Pup..
> He tells me that he has built a 90 stroke 94 bore half vw..Mailed the
> moving parts to Scott to be balanced... Found the crank in
> California..from an advertiser in Hot Vw's magazine, he could not recall
> the name of the company..
>
> My half vw's weigh 84 lbs dry.. Globals..
>
> I am impressed with both the full Vw installation and also the Half Vw
> install for the firefly.. that were present at the gathering..
>
> The half vw with a 54 to 56 inch prop lends itself to a low engine pusher
> such as is on the Ultrastar.. I am planning to build a TRI FLY that will
> have some ideas from the Ultrastar and Firefly..High boom pusher with
> training gear..longer gear legs to improve the prop ground clearance..
> half vw, Time will tell..:-) Cooling is always the bugger when mounting a
> half or full vw in a pusher config.. Herb
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