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1. 03:04 AM - Re: Re: Starhill-Nauga Field Fly Around - July 11th, 12th, 13th (Steven Green)
2. 03:22 AM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 01/19/08 (tc1917)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: Starhill-Nauga Field Fly Around - July 11th, 12th, 13th (beauford T)
4. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: Holes in the sky (robert bean)
5. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: Starhill-Nauga Field Fly Around - July 11th, 12th, 13th (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
6. 06:22 AM - Re: Re: Holes in the sky (Richard Girard)
7. 06:34 AM - Re: Re: Holes in the sky (John Hauck)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: Holes in the sky (lucien)
9. 08:17 AM - Sebring Expo (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
10. 08:34 AM - Re: Dead Stick Approaches ( Holes in the sky) (Jack B. Hart)
11. 02:46 PM - Locktite for sealing weld porosity (Richard Girard)
12. 03:11 PM - Re: Locktite for sealing weld porosity (planecrazzzy)
13. 03:12 PM - Re: Kolb-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 01/19/08 (planecrazzzy)
14. 05:20 PM - Re: Re: Locktite for sealing weld porosity (Russ Kinne)
15. 06:08 PM - Re: Locktite for sealing weld porosity (Steven Green)
16. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Locktite for sealing weld porosity (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
17. 08:01 PM - Credit for page 8 photo (Richard Girard)
18. 08:48 PM - Re: Credit for page 8 photo (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
19. 09:02 PM - Here is what VG's did to my airspeed. (JetPilot)
20. 09:06 PM - Re: Here is what VG's did to my airspeed. (JetPilot)
21. 09:07 PM - Re: Dead Stick Approaches ( Holes in the sky) (The Kuffels)
22. 09:26 PM - Re: Dead Stick Approaches ( Holes in the sky) (JetPilot)
23. 10:11 PM - Re: Credit for page 8 photo (Larry Cottrell)
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| Subject: | Re: Starhill-Nauga Field Fly Around - July 11th, 12th, |
13th
Mike,
Maybe your signature should read "If you have no fear you did not land at
Nauga Field" :<)
Do not archive
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From: "JetPilot" <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:52 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Starhill-Nauga Field Fly Around - July 11th, 12th,
13th
>
> Hi John,
>
> I wasn't trying to trash your fly in, the runway just looks really
> intimidating... More difficult than I would try to operate out of at this
> point. I have managed to get over 100 hours in my Kolb without bending
> anything, mostly by expanding my limitations slowly :)
>
> Its cool you are going to the trouble to host something like this, I just
> took a look at some pictures and though " Oh my Gawd " , and wrote a
> post...
>
> Anyways look at the bright side, my post caused more discussion and
> advertisement than you would have gotten all year [Wink]
>
> The best luck to you and your fly in.
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you
> could have !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159339#159339
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 01/19/08 |
nope
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| Subject: | Re: Starhill-Nauga Field Fly Around - July 11th, 12th, 13th |
...it's likely tough enough landing longways, Brother Weld... what with
the trees and all...
and nobody's talkin' about all the nauga holes and burrows... must be
tons of
the varmits there if they had to name the airfield after 'em... I heard
those things dig
like hell...worse than 'dillos... tough to trap, too... it's a wonder
the lazy boy
chair folks get enough of 'em...
beauford
Do Not Archive... Please.
p.s. ...a few of us Kolbers, including Brother Alexander, are off to
the Rainbow Aviation
16 hour LSA maint course at Sebring 21 and 22 Jan... will give a report
afterwards
if we don't get throwed out of 'er....
b.
----- Original Message -----
From: ElleryWeld@aol.com
I wish I was closer I would ask you if it would be OK to land across
the runway instead of the long way in
Ellery in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Holes in the sky |
Richard, disappointed your fellow kolbers are a little slow on the draw?
could the magic device be???...... (drum roll) ......
VGs?
nawwww
BB, first REAL day of winter here by the arctic circle. warmed up to 9F
and going out for breakfast.
On 19, Jan 2008, at 10:17 PM, Richard Pike wrote:
>
> I was thinking more along the lines of a simple device to reduce
> both airspeed and flying speed at the lower end of the gliding
> airspeed spectrum.
> Too bad that such a thing apparently does not exist...
>
> Richard Pike
> MKIII N420P (420ldPoops)
>
> John Hauck wrote:
>> <snip>
>>
>> I don't know. When airspeed is less than flying speed, one would
>> need something spiritual to keep them flying.
>>
>> john h
>> mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Starhill-Nauga Field Fly Around - July 11th, 12th, |
13th
nope I sure didnt my Last name almost takes up a whole line though
Ellery Batchelder in Maine
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| Subject: | Re: Holes in the sky |
John, Could you tell whether your prop was stopped or still turning? If it
was turning you were working against a 6' diameter drogue chute.
Rick
On Jan 20, 2008 12:56 AM, JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> [quote="lcottrell"]Gang,
> It took me less than 100 feet to complete my 360. Larry C
> do not archive
>
> > [b]
>
>
> That is incredible. Is anyone else getting glides like this out of their
> Kolbs ?
>
> I had been practicing forced landings, and minimum descents rates by
> pulling my power back to Idle.. I figured the Kolb might glide a bit better
> without the prop windmilling, so a couple weeks ago I got over an airport
> with two 6000 foot runways and shut the engine down. I was not ready for
> how much WORSE the glide was without the engine idling. It appears the 912
> puts out a lot of thrust even at a 1900 RPM idle. Anyways, my altitude at
> best glide to do a 180 was 500 feet, at a 25 degree bank with my wife and I
> on board. I have tried this a bunch of times, from high altitudes, with
> same results. About 500 feet for a 180, and about 1000 feet for a complete
> 360 at a little less than 30 degree bank and 50 MPH.
>
> I have to agree with John Hauck, everyone should learn to approach and
> land with the engine shut off. If you are afraid of having an accident
> like Wayne did, go to an airport with runways big enough that you cannot
> possibly miss it. Bottom line, engines do quit, if you can not learn to do
> a landing on a large airport with the engine shut down, you dont have a
> prayer of being able to accomplish a real forced landing. The real life
> practice will probably make the difference between a forced landing and a
> crash.
>
> John,
>
> What kind of glide do you get with your MK III ? How long to make a 180
> and at what speed and bank angle ?
>
> Mike
>
> --------
> "NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could have
> !!!
>
> Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159335#159335
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| Subject: | Re: Holes in the sky |
> What kind of glide do you get with your MK III ? How long to make a 180
and at what speed and bank angle ?
>
> Mike
Mike:
I guess my mkIII glides about like the rest of them. Well..........maybe
not as good because she is on the heavy side.
Never timed a 180 or a 360. She'll turn on a dime though, or turn on a wing
tip with power. I never paid any attention to quick turns without power.
Next time I fly, I will see what kind of results I get.
Was 20F this morning with a high expected around 40F. Yesterday was snow.
Bet Gantt International Airport is a little soggy this morning, if not
frozen, not to mention the cow crap.
I got caught up in the gear swap SB on my Rotax 912ULS. Will fly down to
Lucedale, MS, the end of this month to let Ronnie Smith swap them out. Eric
Tucker is teaching the Rotax engine classes at the same time. He can take a
look at the gear box too.
Take care,
john h - Putting another log on the fire and pouring another cup of coffee.
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| Subject: | Re: Holes in the sky |
jindoguy(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Lucien, I flew with the rice king for almost a year and absolutely hated what
it did to the glide of the Kolb. They should be used for what they were made,
pushing an airboat through a rice paddy. MHO
>
> Rick
>
Again I can't agree (that the clutch should be used only on airboats). I do of
course grant that the glide is affected by the windmilling prop but I can't agree
otherwise.
Does it make the FS II less of a glider than it already is? Sure. Does it present
a safety hazard? Absolutely not.
As I said, whatever the glide ratio of your plane you have to learn to glide it
to a safe landing engine-off anyway if you really want to be a safe pilot for
that plane. An engine-out should never result in death in our light aircraft,
that's just irresponsible and stupid regardless of the plane's glide ratio.
It is my opinion that if you die or are severaly injured merely because the engine
quit, you should not have been solo. There should have been an instructor
on board teaching you emergency procedures including keeping landing spots within
gliding distance and simulated deadsticks until you know (knew) how to survive
an engine-out event. End of story.
As for the clutch, it solves many more problems than it introduces and is well
worth the 500 bucks it costs. Among the advantages:
- vastly easier starting
- eliminates the possibility of high-rpm/low-throttle opening situations in a rapid
descent, a significant hazard for a 2-stroke motor.
- the aforementioned ability to truly simulate engine-off flight
- eliminates low-rpm stress on the gearbox and engine botttom-end at low rpms.
- makes the already long-lasting rotax 2-stroke last even longer
and on and on....
If anyone wants to get rid of their clutches, send them to me. If I get a 2-stroke
powered plane again, I'll definitely put it to use.....
LS
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LS
FS II
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I was at the Sebring Expo yesterday with Jim Swan. It was 85 degrees.
Sorry couldn't resist mentioning the weather. I understand it was 6
degrees as a high back in Michigan where I spend my summers but that's
why I go to Florida.
I got in a discussion with John Hovan a member of the EAA Ultralight
Council. I mentioned that I wanted a trash can and a porta potty in the
Ultralight/LSA campground at AirVenture. He figured that it could be
done and Timm Bogenhagen would be told to make it happen if necessary.
John also mentioned that they are looking for suggestions to improve
participation in the Ultralight/LSA campground and the vendor area. He
also pointed out the article in the EAA's Sport Pilot & Light -Sport
Aircraft Magazine January 2008 page 50 requesting our comments via
E-Mail to Ultralights@EAA.org I will be sending comments. If you have
comments please send them also. I know John H, John W, Mark G, Scott T
and the guys at New Kolb all have things to say. They seem to be
listening so this might be a good time to give your comments.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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| Subject: | Re: Dead Stick Approaches ( Holes in the sky) |
Tom,
I want to be sure I understand what you are describing. Are you talking
about long and tight "S" turns starting at off your normal base leg and
approaching the runway?
Jack B. Hart FF004
Winchester, IN
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| Subject: | Locktite for sealing weld porosity |
Sure enough, being the packrat that I am I found the locktite I mentioned
for sealing weld porosity. It is Locktite 290.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Locktite for sealing weld porosity |
That's just too funny....
At least "Bondo" would add a little strenght while filling the holes...
Too much,
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN ( Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)
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| Subject: | Re: Kolb-List Digest: 36 Msgs - 01/19/08 |
Nope, What ????
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tc1917(at)hughes.net wrote:
> nope
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| Subject: | Re: Locktite for sealing weld porosity |
OMG -- when YOU say brrrrrr - in MN - it's gotta be near-terminal!
Where's global warming when you need it???
On Jan 20, 2008, at 6:09 PM, planecrazzzy wrote:
> <planecrazzzy@yahoo.com>
>
> That's just too funny....
>
> At least "Bondo" would add a little strenght while filling the
> holes...
>
> Too much,
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" in MN ( Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)
>
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> .
> .
> .
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| Subject: | Re: Locktite for sealing weld porosity |
http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/290-EN.PDF
Steven
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 5:44 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Locktite for sealing weld porosity
Sure enough, being the packrat that I am I found the locktite I
mentioned for sealing weld porosity. It is Locktite 290.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Locktite for sealing weld porosity |
-5 here this evening in Maine but its Maine it supose to be that way
Great Kolb building weather
Ellery
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| Subject: | Credit for page 8 photo |
Okay, Karen Cottrell was the photographer and the pilots, from left to right
were John Hauck, John Williamson, and Richard Nielsen. Working from memory
here, guys, but I would like to get it right.
If you belong to an EAA chapter kindly pass my email address along to your
chapter's newsletter editor and I'll add him / her to my exchange list.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Credit for page 8 photo |
Rick/all
This is a real good example of the need to include a part of the message
you are responding to so we might be able to figure out what you are
talking about.
do not archive
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 10:58 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Credit for page 8 photo
Okay, Karen Cottrell was the photographer and the pilots, from left to
right were John Hauck, John Williamson, and Richard Nielsen. Working
from memory here, guys, but I would like to get it right.
If you belong to an EAA chapter kindly pass my email address along to
your chapter's newsletter editor and I'll add him / her to my exchange
list.
Rick
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| Subject: | Here is what VG's did to my airspeed. |
Ok, you all saw what VG's did to my runways :) Now, on the serious side, here
is a picture I took of my MK III Xtra panel with the VG's on the plane. I
had two people, my wife and I, and this picture was taken at idle power, level
flight just before the stall break, I dont remember if I had one notch of flaps
in or clean on this one, it does not seem to make much difference in the stall
speeds. You can see engine RPM of 2200, and a 100 FPM sink rate, and if you
look outside, you can see the plane is still level, and under control. I did
no pitch ups, or any wild things to make the airspeed go down suddenly, speed
is also reading on the GPS which has a bit of a lag. This stall was from level
flight, slow speed reduction, power off. The instrument readings speak
for themselves.
I'm not trying to talk anyone that does not want VG's into getting them, but this
is good information for people that may be considering them and are wondering
what the effect on performance might be.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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| Subject: | Re: Here is what VG's did to my airspeed. |
One Correction, I was at 3500 RPM to maintain level flight just barely above the
stall break with the 912-S ... I was at 2200 feet if you are familiar with
the EIS readout.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Dead Stick Approaches ( Holes in the sky) |
Jack,
<< Are you talking about long and tight "S" turns starting at off
your normal base leg and approaching the runway? >>
Not sure. In no wind your flight path resembles a narrow
figure-8 perpendicular to the runway, like the symbol for
infinity. The object is to keep a constant average distance from
your intended landing point. Some people prefer to use their
normal base leg distance and turn final at a higher than normal
altitude. Others use a shorter distance and turn final at their
normal altitude. This is an issue of personal preference after
some practice.
In any event, the decision that you are starting your final cross
leg begins about half way through the 180 turn at the end of the
previous cross leg. If half way through the reverse turn you
decide you are low, head straight toward your touchdown point at
an angle. If you seem "about right" finish your reversing turn
and head cross leg. As you approach the centerline and still
seem about right, turn 90 degrees to final. If you are high but
not high enough for a full cross leg and reversing turn, continue
past the centerline then turn 3/4 of 180 degrees (135 degrees)
back toward the centerline and then a 1/4 of 180 degrees (45
degrees) turn to final.
It is important to remember to maintain a constant airspeed
throughout the entire maneuver. If you do this you will not
increase your load factor in the turns. However steep, you are
simply trading more altitude for turning force which means your
stalling speed will *not* go up with bank angle. This helps you
avoid the tendency to "help" a turn with excess rudder, which
usually is a fatal error. But that is another saga.
Hope this makes clear what I teach.
Tom Kuffel
Whitefish, MT
Building Original FireStar
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| Subject: | Re: Dead Stick Approaches ( Holes in the sky) |
kuffel(at)cyberport.net wrote:
> Jack,
>
> However steep, you are
> simply trading more altitude for turning force which means your
> stalling speed will *not* go up with bank angle. This helps you
> avoid the tendency to "help" a turn with excess rudder, which
> usually is a fatal error. But that is another saga.
>
> Hope this makes clear what I teach.
>
> Tom Kuffel
> Whitefish, MT
> Building Original FireStar
I like your technique for keeping the runway right where you need it with figure
8's while practicing landings engine off. It sounds by far the best and safest
way to do it if there is not other traffic to worry about on final. The
runway is always within about a 90 degree turn or less if you get to low need
to land quick.
The one thing you are very wrong about is you saying that turning steeply will
not put additional load on the plane and not increase stall speed. It does not
matter weather you turn with power, or with altitude, it takes energy AND increased
load on the wings to change the direction of the plane. There is just
no way around it, going up, down or sideways, to change the direction of the
plane, you must create additional lift on the wings to change the direction of
the plane, which will increase the stall speed. To teach otherwise is possibly
dangerous to someone that might take it to literally.
Mike
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have !!!
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| Subject: | Re: Credit for page 8 photo |
I do hope that you realized that my post on this subject was tongue in
cheek. However the other pilot was Gary Halley, not Richard.
Larry C
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Girard
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Credit for page 8 photo
Okay, Karen Cottrell was the photographer and the pilots, from left to
right were John Hauck, John Williamson, and Richard Nielsen. Working
from memory here, guys, but I would like to get it right.
If you belong to an EAA chapter kindly pass my email address along to
your chapter's newsletter editor and I'll add him / her to my exchange
list.
Rick
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