---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/27/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:44 AM - Inadvertent spins (John H Murphy) 2. 09:19 AM - Re: Inadvertent spins (planecrazzzy) 3. 10:32 AM - Re: Inadvertent spins (R. Hankins) 4. 10:42 AM - Re: Regular Unleaded (R. Hankins) 5. 11:03 AM - Re: Inadvertent spins (Richard Girard) 6. 12:39 PM - Re: inadvertent spins (boyd) 7. 04:27 PM - HKS on a Slingshot (Jimmy Young) 8. 07:57 PM - Re: HKS on a Slingshot (Mnflyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:10 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Inadvertent spins From: "John H Murphy" I've been reading several recent articles about spins. The latest was a piece in the AOPA Pilot written by Barry Schiff (December 07). Has any Kolb owners got themselves into a situation that resulted in a inadvertent spin? Any words of advise on what / how to avoid them? It looks like a spin in a landing situation is non recoverable, ie. fatal? I guess the last question, do any of you practice spins in your Kolb? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160656#160656 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:00 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Inadvertent spins From: "planecrazzzy" Last year, there was a crash in a Kolb, (from a stall???) I think they crashed "upside down".... Sounds like a "inverted" stall/spin.... Those need quite a bit of alt to recover from. .. .. .. Gotta Fly... Mike & "Jaz" in MN -------- .. .. .. .. .. Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160662#160662 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/heater_hugger_006_739.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:32:47 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Inadvertent spins From: "R. Hankins" John: I have practiced spins in my KXP both to the left and right. Recovery is within 1/4 turn with relaxation of back pressure and release of crossed controls. I had to force the plane to get it to spin. I experimented by doing approach stalls while holding increasing amounts of cross control. I was able to get the Firestar to drop a wing this way, but it really didn't want to spin. I had to sharpen the stall break and put in maximum control to get it to go around. When it does spin, it rotates quickly! I should add, that the manual that came with my kit advised against spins. Waiting for the rain and fog to lift......... -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160667#160667 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:45 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Regular Unleaded From: "R. Hankins" I have used both regular and supreme (premium) in my 503. The regular seems to give me a little lower EGT's (about 40-50deg). I use regular when I know the fuel will not be sitting in the tank for an extended period. I use the premium when my schedule is hectic or the weather is iffy and I don't know when I will get to fly next. I fill up after every flight to keep the tank full to prevent condensation. I also use Sta-Bil as Larry C. mentioned. It does a great job; even the left over premix in my empty cans smells fresh after several months. -------- Roger in Oregon 1992 KXP 503 - N1782C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160668#160668 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:43 AM PST US From: "Richard Girard" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Inadvertent spins John, First know what your aircraft's weight and balance situation. Make sure it's in factory recommended range then go out and practice stall recovery. Departure stalls and approach stalls are like mid air collisions, most happen near airports. There is no need to intentionally spin your aircraft, just learn how a stall feels and what it takes to break it and recover. If you want to do spins, get training in an aircraft known to have good recovery characteristics before you try it for yourself. Worth what you paid for it. Rick Girard do not archive On Jan 27, 2008 10:41 AM, John H Murphy wrote: > > > > I've been reading several recent articles about spins. The latest was a > piece in the AOPA Pilot written by Barry Schiff (December 07). Has any Kolb > owners got themselves into a situation that resulted in a inadvertent spin? > Any words of advise on what / how to avoid them? It looks like a spin in a > landing situation is non recoverable, ie. fatal? I guess the last question, > do any of you practice spins in your Kolb? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160656#160656 > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:39:21 PM PST US From: "boyd" Subject: Kolb-List: re: inadvertent spins >>>>>>>>>>>>> Has any Kolb owners got themselves into a situation that resulted in a inadvertent spin? Any words of advise on what / how to avoid them? It looks like a spin in a landing situation is non recoverable, i.e. fatal? I guess the last question, do any of you practice spins in your Kolb? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I did a few spins during the test phase just to see how it would respond... each time the mark III recovered very nicely, I did not have to go to opposite controls... just relax the controls and it came right out.. at first I recovered at the first sign of the spin.. and progressed to a fully developed spin. All without problems... that day was the first and last day I have ever done spin practice in the kolb..... in order to get into the spin I had to really try to get into one by forcing a lot of rudder at the stall... it would be hard to get into a spin without ignoring the warning signs. I have stalled the kolb many times and if you keep the nose pointing straight with use of the rudder and relax the back pressure when you feel the stall buffeting, you are not likely to spin. Depending on the power setting you will even get some different sounds from the prop as you approach stall. Just keep your speed up and you should not stall to a spin... I hear of pilots that fly base to final at just above stall.... to me that is asking for trouble, low level wind sheers, momentary loss of attention, etc, will cause problems.... these planes will lose their airspeed so quickly in a flair, that I fly fast all the way to the flair. Now if you have to come into a very short field... you would slow down a bit sooner, but anything 1000 ft or more, keep your speed up. The time when you are going to mess up is when you are coming into a field that you have used 1000 times before, you put yourself in kind of an autopilot mode and don't pay as much attention to details as you should... when you are out of your element you will be paying more attention and have a better chance of survival. Now because my plane exited from a spin without issue!!!!! Please don't try it without proper training, safety chute, etc,, your mileage may vary. Stall spins have and will kill pilots flying all makes and models of planes. Boyd ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:27 PM PST US From: "Jimmy Young" Subject: Kolb-List: HKS on a Slingshot Hello to all, I thought this might be of interest to a lot of Kolb List folks. Friday I was in Florida to see an HKS 700 installation on a Slingshot at Greensky Adventures. Jerry Olenik, the owner of Greensky, took the time to give me a tour and he took the plane up for a loop around the pattern while I watched from his Rotax 377-powered golf cart off the runway. I thought it was pretty impressive. The engine looks and sounds great on that Slingshot, and the winds were up there in the 20 mph range as a cold front had blown thru that morning. Click here to see a few pics. Enjoy! www.flickr.com/photos/jdy12755 Jimmy Young FS II Houston ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:57:36 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: HKS on a Slingshot From: "Mnflyer" Hi jimmy great photos looks like a nice installation. The HKS is a great engine I have over 200 hrs flying behind one. -------- GB MNFlyer Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160771#160771 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.