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1. 04:39 AM - Firestar project (william sullivan)
2. 05:15 AM - Re: Re: M3X update (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
3. 05:38 AM - Re: Cable thimbles (russ kinne)
4. 05:51 AM - Re: Re: 912ULS Mag Drop (gary aman)
5. 06:00 AM - Not Kolb Related (william sullivan)
6. 06:15 AM - Re: FAR 103.3 Inspection requirements (Ralph B)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: Re: (Thom Riddle)
8. 07:02 AM - Re: Kolbra price list (KOLB AIRCRAFT)
9. 08:04 AM - ramp check (boyd)
10. 08:27 AM - Re: ramp check (Michael Sharp)
11. 09:52 AM - Re: Not really kolb related (jb92563)
12. 10:37 AM - Re: Not really kolb related (henry.voris)
13. 11:07 AM - Test Flight (John Hauck)
14. 01:10 PM - Re: ramp check (Thom Riddle)
15. 01:49 PM - VG 's (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
16. 02:41 PM - Re: Kolbra price list (planecrazzzy)
17. 02:53 PM - Re: Cleaning up a Mark-III (robert bean)
18. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: Not really kolb related (possums)
19. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: Not really kolb related (David Key)
20. 04:08 PM - Re: Re: Not really kolb related (Eugene Zimmerman)
21. 04:22 PM - Re: Re: Not really kolb related (possums)
22. 05:21 PM - Re: Re: Not really kolb related (russ kinne)
23. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Not really kolb related (Richard Girard)
24. 06:23 PM - Re: Not really kolb related (henry.voris)
25. 06:41 PM - Re: ramp check (Ralph B)
26. 11:03 PM - Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
27. 11:04 PM - Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Firestar project |
Good timing on trimming the cable ears. I was just fixing the tailwheel assembly.
and one of the steering cables had the thimble all crumpled and twisted.
The bare cable had worn a groove in the tube almost all the way to the edge. I
brazed a couple of washers on the tube, and would have put the thimbles back
the way they were. Nice save, guys.
John- your carb problem is actually a malfunctioning bilge pump. Check it,
and the carp won't get up to the air filter.
Bill Sullivan
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Any new info is always great I can do about anything else but composits is a
area that I could use any info to learn more about it. But How to make a
mold is the next chapter I hope Thanks Scott
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Ellery
In a message dated 2/1/2008 2:20:08 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
icrashrc@aol.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "icrashrc" <icrashrc@aol.com>
Due to many back channel emails I've added a page to the site with some info
on the composite layups Paul and I have been doing.
http://www.ill-eagleaviation.com/composites.htm
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| Subject: | Re: Cable thimbles |
Rick
Dip the strand ends on solder before you start to splice. Less
colorful but more comfortable.
On Jan 31, 2008, at 10:05 PM, Richard Girard wrote:
> That would be the blood donor method, thanks, but no. ;-)
>
> Rick
>
> On Jan 31, 2008 7:19 PM, Dana Hague <d-m-hague@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> At 07:58 PM 1/31/2008, Richard Girard wrote:
> >The ears on a cable thimble are a vestige of the days of the five
> tuck
> >splice. I find that leaving the ears on always makes the loop
> about the
> >thimble loose...
>
> Or you could just do five tuck splices instead of nico's on all your
> cables... :)
>
> -Dana
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: 912ULS Mag Drop |
I imagine any kind of fish in your carburetor could be a problem!
----- Original Message ----
From: lucien <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 3:17:36 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912ULS Mag Drop
John Hauck wrote:
> >> BTW, the enrichener is a great debugging tool like you said - I
>
> > > used it to diagnose a carp-in-carb problem after a recent fuel
line
> > > change. Saves a lot of time and head-scratching ;)
> > >
> > > LS
> >
> >
>
>
> BB/Gang:
>
> Yea, how did the carp get in there? If he won't plug up a carb,
nothing
> will.
>
> john h
> mkIII
Oops, sorry about the carp.... no fish involved but "crap" for
sure......
That's where I learned to finally sand down the sharp edges on any
barbed fittings during a fuel line change... and to thoroughly flush the
new assemblies before installation and otherwise be operating-room clean
when messing with fuel lines......
LS
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| Subject: | Not Kolb Related |
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I just watched the Mythbusters tape. The only thing the treadmill did was make
the wheels spin faster. It had nothing to do with the plane being pulled by
the prop until airflow lifted the plane. Kind of like the old bulldozer problem-
how fast is the track moving at the top and bottom of the track frame if
the dozer is doing 20mph?
If there was no prop, and the wheels were powered, the plane would be stationary,
and not airflow/no lift.
Bill Sullivan
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| Subject: | Re: FAR 103.3 Inspection requirements |
Ralph B wrote:
>
> JetPilot wrote:
> > There is a big difference between being 300 Pounds + and trying to pass your
plane off as an ultralight, and being only 15 pounds overweight...
> >
> > I have never seen a ramp check, or known anyone that has had a ramp check.
I'm sure it happens, but how many get weighed in a standard run of the mill ramp
check ( non event or air show related ).
> >
> > Its all about good judgment, if you are a bit overweight, don't fly your ultralight
into an ultralight event where there is likely to be ramp checks, and
likely to be weighed. If you are so far overweight that it is obviously not
plausible as an ultralight, get an N Number...
> >
> > But 15 ( 6% )pounds overweight is a non issue in most cases. Seems that there
is a lack of common sense and good judgment by some on this list.
> >
> > Mike
>
>
> Mike
>
> You can't always tell if it's an ultralight or not. Does this look like an ultralight
to you? How much do you think it weighs?
>
> Ralph
Well this is a fat ultralight that looks skinny because I left the covering off
the rear part of the cage. This is one of the earliest Firestars (S/N #49), and
was designed to be an ultralight. Even with a parachute that would give it
another 24 lbs, it still would not have made the 276 lb weight limit. I have
since added a bigger engine (447), streamlined struts, bigger wheels, nice seat
cushion, strobe lights, and still has the 5-gallon main tank. It doesn't have
brakes and weighs in at 319 lbs. Looks can be deceiving. It's an aircraft with
a tail number.
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Original Firestar
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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Mike,
Most of what you say are the effects of shortening the wingspan are
true, except for the slower cruise speed. This argument raged on for
quite a while on the Titan Yahoo Group. Most of the Tornados come with
the 23.5' length wing. The one I had was the 20' wing. I had told the
group that my Titan with 20' wing and 80 hp 912UL was as fast or
faster than the more common ones with 23.5' wing and 100 hp 912ULS.
This created all kinds of arguments with explanations why a shorter
wing could not possibly be as fast as the longer wing. The basis for
the arguments was that due to the shorter wingspan, the angle of
attack would have to be greater to support the same weight at a given
speed, and thus be more draggy than the longer wing. There is a
smidgeon of truth in that but the effect of the tiny bit higher AOA is
much smaller than the REDUCED drag due to the shorter span.
I finally go the opportunity to do a side-by-side comparison with a
23.5' wing Tornado w/ 912ULS engine vs. my 80 hp short wing Tornado.
Flying weight were within 30 lbs of the same. It turns out that my Vh
was identical to the other's Vh. We both had in-flight adjustable
props and set them for 5500 rpm at full throttle. My 80 hp short wing
was the same speed as the 100 hp long wing. Also, mine did not have
wheel pants and the other did.
Thom in Buffalo
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra price list |
LUCIEN, SORRY TO BE SO LATE WITH MY REPLY, BUT SEND ME YOUR ADRESS AND I
WILL SEND YOU A PRICE SHEET ON THE KOLBRA THANKS DONNIE
----- Original Message -----
From: "lucien" <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 9:54 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: Kolbra price list
>
> Hi all,
>
> Er forgive my ignorance, but does anyone have a current price sheet for
the Kolbra handy? I can't seem to find one on the kolb factory site, though
there appears to be one for the MK III and the others.
>
> Doing some thinkin, pencil pushin and calkeelatin and need a detailed
price list before my 6th grade education runs out of steam.
>
> Just show me where to click on the site (or just email Travis)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> LS
>
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> FS II
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How many of us have seen "ramp checks" first hand? Is this common in some
parts of the country?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was visiting with an old sage,,, he had been flying since he was a pup,
His dad used to run the airport which he took over....
Anyway,,, he said that the only time he was ever ramp checked was at
monument valley, a faa sort was on vacation, and wanted to be able to write
off the vacation expenses, so did a bit of work while he was away from the
office.
Boyd
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I've been ramp checked twice. Both in GA aircraft.
As a student pilot on long cross country, in College Station Texas 1985. Once
in Central Oklahoma in 1997 ish. Fortunatly I had all of the required paperwork
etc... Whew!
Mike
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boyd <by0ung@brigham.net> wrote:
How many of us have seen "ramp checks" first hand? Is this common in some
parts of the country?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I was visiting with an old sage,,, he had been flying since he was a pup,
His dad used to run the airport which he took over....
Anyway,,, he said that the only time he was ever ramp checked was at
monument valley, a faa sort was on vacation, and wanted to be able to write
off the vacation expenses, so did a bit of work while he was away from the
office.
Boyd
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| Subject: | Re: Not really kolb related |
Bottom line is that the wing is what generates the lift, and in order for it to
do that it needs air as some speed blowing at the wing.
He had maybe 10mph forward speed at takeoff plus what ever the prop was contributing
to that in the center, and then there was the rotating wheels which might
have contributed a miniscule amount of negative lift(Yes rotating bodies create
lift....ask a Pitcher!)
They did not mention the 15mph headwind that I assume must have been helping as
well.
I guess it was enough to break ground, but that experiment was not controlled properly
and their conclusion is just plain WRONG because of it.
I'm sure someone will email them and straighten them out on their conclusion!
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Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Not really kolb related |
jb92563 wrote:
> I guess it was enough to break ground, but that experiment was not controlled
properly and their conclusion is just plain WRONG because of it.
>
> I'm sure someone will email them and straighten them out on their conclusion!
Ray,
No one needs to eMail them to straighten them out... It wasn't an experiment...
It was a hoax, plane and simple.
I believe Brother Possum is rolling around holding his belly having a good laugh.
Aloha,
PS The summits of Mauna Kea, Mauna Loa, and Haleakala are now snow covered... Not
a hoax.
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Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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Gang:
Turned out to be a beautiful day after all. Sun is shining, a little windy,
and the temp is 49F.
I got the mag drop problem solved couple days ago. Prior to that, had been
experiencing a little abnormal vibration, i.e., a vibration that had not
been there before. Suspect the lean in mid-range condition was probably
contributing to that also.
Murphy is a slick character. All this started after I returned from out
West after an absence of two months. The mkIII had stood silently waiting
to fly since the first of October, three months prior. Before I flew I
pulled the gear box, resealed it, which meant pulling the prop. Changed the
oil and filter, and away we went. About the same time the weather had
gradually gotten colder. Each time I flew it, I was detecting a slight mag
drop on one side, while also feeling a little vibration in the airplane that
had not been there before. Really got the old imagination working, but in
the wrong direction, until I started experimenting with the enricher.
I ran out of day light when I raised the needles to the last notch, but did
get to do a couple mag checks. The 912ULS got crisp and light, just like
she always has. Hopefully, I got rid of the vibration, but if not it may be
a blade out of pitch a tad. That will also do it and is most likely the
gremlin. Hope not cause I don't want to repitch in the cold. However,
wouldn't hurt to lighten the pitch just a little to get a little more rpm
out of it on takeoff and back up to hitting the red line at 5,500 rpm during
WOT, straight and level flight. That'll have me zipping along at 95 mph
WOT, cruising at 85 mph. That's fast enough to get me anywhere I want to go
in the North American Continent.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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I've been ramp checked only once. I was delivering our Cherokee 140 we sold to
its new owner in French Valley, California. After an IFR night flight landing
at Hays, KS (home of Rans Aircraft) the FAA rep greeted me after shutting down
in the tie-down area. His only interest was paperwork for the airplane. He was
not interested in my paperwork, medical and pilot certificates, only the airplane,
which were all in order. Quick and painless and the FAA rep was very courteous
and cordial.
Thom in Buffalo
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N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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The February 2008 issue of EAA Sport Pilot & Light-Sport Aircraft, has an
article about the Savage, which is shown on the front cover. The article is
written by Dan Johnson and in it there is a favorable reference to using VG's.
Might be of some interest to those that are putting them on Kolbs.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Kolbra price list |
Something wrong with posting it HERE ????
Gotta Fly...
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning up a Mark-III |
The break just behind the aft door opening has to cause flow
problems. I'm thinking about
a panel that could be fabbed out of foam and hard faced that could be
fastened on that flat
area. Ideally it would incorporate a clear upper panel to the top of
the cage.
Only a couple of internal wing nuts to remove. The leading edge
would be smoothed with
tape.
-not too good for a supersonic aircraft but maybe ok for a Kolb.
The flat spot at the back is sure begging for a tapered wedge which,
again, could be removable.
Thinking is easier than working.
BB
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On 30, Jan 2008, at 12:48 PM, Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL wrote:
> <Dennis.Kirby@kirtland.af.mil>
>
>
> Richard Pike wrote: << The MKIII is coming into the garage tomorrow,
> some more mods to the fuselage area, try to improve the airflow around
> the fuselage upper rear, ... see if cleaning up that little flat area
> about 10" ahead of the prop arc will do anything. >>
>
> Kolb Friends -
>
> I was thinking of trying to make improvements in this area as well.
>
> I, too, built my Mark-III with the upper half of the rear fuselage pod
> open. I believe this contributes to a large chunk of the overall drag
> on my plane.
>
> Earlier Mark-IIIs (like Hauck's) had fabric all the way up to the
> bottom
> of the wing, like the Firestar. This configuration seems like it
> would
> be less draggy, as the airflow coming around the fuselage sides would
> follow a more streamlined and uniform path toward the prop. On my
> Mark-III, the airflow spills around the aft edge of my doors,
> separates,
> and (I'm sure) crates turbulent eddy currents (which equals gobs of
> drag) in that whole area aft of the cabin. This was one of the design
> improvement goals that New Kolb set out to achieve with the Xtra, I've
> been told.
>
> Would it help reduce drag by simply adding a flat panel to each upper
> side of the fuselage cage, to keep the airflow moving? I'm
> thinking of
> using 1/16" Lexan, attached using Adel clamps to the cage tubes in
> that
> area.
>
> Somebody on this List once said that the biggest ways to increase our
> Kolbs' performance is to concentrate efforts on ways of reducing drag.
> This fuselage panel thing seems to fall in that category. Opinions?
> Thanks -
>
> Dennis Kirby
> 912ul, Powerfin-72, in
> Cedar Crest, NM
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Not really kolb related |
At 07:18 PM 1/31/2008, you wrote:
>It's not the prop blast. The plane is pulling itself through the
>air. The only thing different than a normal takeoff is the
>rotational speed of the wheels. The rest of the plane doesn't know
>it is on a belt.
>
>Bryan D
If your plane was on an 8,000 ft runway and had a 100 mph tailwind pushing
it 100 mph down the runway, Could you take off down wind. Of course you
could. Same difference.
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| Subject: | Re: Not really kolb related |
if a 100 mph wind is pushing you 100 mph your airspeed is 0 I don't think y
ou'd go very far.> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:41:32 -0500> To: kolb-list@matr
onics.com> From: possums@bellsouth.net> Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Not rea
outh.net>> > At 07:18 PM 1/31/2008, you wrote:> >It's not the prop blast. T
he plane is pulling itself through the > >air. The only thing different tha
n a normal takeoff is the > >rotational speed of the wheels. The rest of th
e plane doesn't know > >it is on a belt.> >> >Bryan D> > If your plane was
on an 8,000 ft runway and had a 100 mph tailwind pushing> it 100 mph down t
he runway, Could you take off down wind. Of course you> could. Same differe
==> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Not really kolb related |
On Feb 1, 2008, at 6:41 PM, possums wrote:
> If your plane was on an 8,000 ft runway and had a 100 mph tailwind
> pushing
> it 100 mph down the runway, Could you take off down wind. Of course
> you
> could. Same difference.
Nope
Not me!
I'd die of a heart attack long before I reached flying speed.
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| Subject: | Re: Not really kolb related |
At 07:02 PM 2/1/2008, you wrote:
>if a 100 mph wind is pushing you 100 mph your airspeed is 0 I don't
>think you'd go very far.
>
I guess I should have said that - "could you take off if you used
your throttle"?
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| Subject: | Re: Not really kolb related |
If your plane was on an 8,000 ft runway and had a 100 mph tailwind
pushing
it 100 mph down the runway, Could you take off down wind. Of course you
could. Same difference.
That would mean your speed THROUGH THE AIR would be zero? How could a
takeoff be possible?
Are you saying the plane would accelerate to 140 or so? Then it might
take off, if the wheels stayed together --
On Feb 1, 2008, at 6:41 PM, possums wrote:
> If your plane was on an 8,000 ft runway and had a 100 mph tailwind
> pushing
> it 100 mph down the runway, Could you take off down wind. Of course
> you
> could. Same difference.
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| Subject: | Re: Not really kolb related |
I don't care if you could take off, it's the taxiing into position I'd like
to see.
Rick G.
On Feb 1, 2008 6:06 PM, Eugene Zimmerman <ez@embarqmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Feb 1, 2008, at 6:41 PM, possums wrote:
>
> > If your plane was on an 8,000 ft runway and had a 100 mph tailwind
> > pushing
> > it 100 mph down the runway, Could you take off down wind. Of course
> > you
> > could. Same difference.
>
> Nope
> Not me!
>
> I'd die of a heart attack long before I reached flying speed.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Not really kolb related |
If your airplane is moving down the runway at 100 MPH, with a 100 MPH tailwind...
you will be sitting in dead air (reads no lift)... all the way to the end of
the 8,000 ft. runway.
Lets say that lame video is correct. Lets say an stationary airplane, sitting on
a moving conveyer belt, will fly if belt is moving fast enough. Why are you
wasting this valuable information on a bunch of know-it-all old farts who fly
lawnmower powered kites??? You owe it to our nation to get that video to the Navy
right way so they can stop building those silly aircraft carriers. It'll put
those maglev catapults to shame...
Aloha
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Firefly Five-Charlie-Bravo
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A friend of mine was ramp checked just last weekend. Here is his story:
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Dennis (I didnt catch his name) of the FAA was there to oversee the waiver received
to fly the MIA balloon they tether each year. After I landed he immediately
approached to check me out. After showing his Federal ID, he asked to see my
pilots license, aircraft registration and the airworthiness paper. There was
no problem at all with our meeting. He did what was expected and I had all my
ducks lined up. He was friendly , so was I and we chatted a bit. End of story
- Karey.
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N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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| Subject: | Official Kolb-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
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following URL:
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Matt Dralle
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Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
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| Subject: | Official Kolb-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the Kolb-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
Kolb-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
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Failure to use the Kolb-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
Kolb-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the Kolb-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
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community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
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