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1. 12:53 PM - covering (Bart Morgan)
2. 01:13 PM - covering (Lanny Fetterman)
3. 01:58 PM - Re: covering (Mike Welch)
4. 02:22 PM - Re: covering (planecrazzzy)
5. 03:14 PM - Now I know what I want for Christmas. (possums)
6. 03:16 PM - Winter flight/ streamlined struts (Nelson, Craig)
7. 03:59 PM - Re: Winter flight/ streamlined struts (possums)
8. 05:11 PM - Re: covering (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
9. 05:23 PM - Re: Winter flight/ streamlined struts (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
10. 06:18 PM - Firestar Project (william sullivan)
11. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: Not really kolb related (Charlie England)
12. 07:59 PM - Firestar Project (william sullivan)
13. 09:52 PM - Re: Winter flight/ streamlined struts (Dan G.)
14. 11:31 PM - Re: Regular Unleaded (jim)
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I am ready to cover the fuselage on my Firestar II and undecided whether to cover
the sides up to the wings or leave top part open. I would like to hear pros
and cons.
Bart
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I only covered my FSII up to the top of the fuel tanks. If you only have
the short windshield, covering up to the wings will cause a lot of drag, I
would think. With a full enclosure, it wouldn`t be as big of a deal.
Covering up to the wings will make it harder to add fuel and may cause a
problem with fumes in the cockpit. To each his own, however, I like the way
I covered mine. My 2 cents worth. Lanny FSII N598LF
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Bart,
I just recently covered my fuselage, and only covered up to the top of the tanks.
I am going to finish the rest of the way up to the bottom of the wings with
thin Lexan. FYI, I have a full enclosure MkIII.
And while we're on the subject of Poly Fiber...don't forget to get the digital
thermometer for monitoring the iron's surface temperature, when it comes time
to shrink the fabric. I realize there are those among us that are proficient
at shrinking fabric without a digital thermometer, but in case you aren't, the
fear factor is reduced with a handheld D.T.
Mike Welch (just back from frozen wind-blown Missouri.)
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From: bartmo@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Kolb-List: covering
I am ready to cover the fuselage on my Firestar II and undecided whether to cover
the sides up to the wings or leave top part open. I would like to hear pros
and cons.
Bart
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I will be enclosing the whole thing ( one of these days )
But, till then ... This is how I did mine....
The " Flame " cover , is Velcro'ed ....and lifts easy for refueling...
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
Building Buttercup...
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| Subject: | Winter flight/ streamlined struts |
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I did a flight today about 90 miles with some friends a titan tornado
and a Swiss bull dog. Level flight,59 degrees 3000 ft, 5100 rpm, and 90
indicated, 90 ground speed on the gps verified with the titan and bull
dog. There was some talk about streamlining struts a few weeks ago--- I
like the PVC ones as there are no bolts sticking out. I used masking
tape and plaster to make lost mold technique fairings at the wing end of
the airfoil strut. The part made of s glass and epoxy resin fits snug
around the pvc faring I got from Kolb and slides up over the attach
point after the pin is in place, then Velcro holds the part secure to
the bottom of the wing. If there were bolts to contend with it would
make this part much more difficult I plan to make fairings for the base
of the strut where it meets the fuselage. It looks like I will have to
make a cowl flap. I had to block off 1/2 of the radiator and oil cooler
to get up to operating temps. After my cardboard cowl flap the oil temp
was around 190
Uncle Craig
MIII X 912 uls
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| Subject: | Re: Winter flight/ streamlined struts |
I know I picked up about 6mph just by streamlining the struts.
That is a lot of drag - a round tube that long as opposed to
a teardrop shaped strut. There is almost nothing better you can
do to a stock plane to lose drag that streamlining the lift struts.
Plus - I lost the weird vibration and worry of watching the
lift struts go thru their little "shake rattle & roll" routine out there.
I'm sure it didn't hurt anything, but I just didn't like it.
Jeremy could do the math for you. I just know that it works.
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if you like to fly in cold weather you should really give it some thought I
did my firestar and it cut down on the draft on my back
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 2/2/2008 3:53:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bartmo@sbcglobal.net writes:
I am ready to cover the fuselage on my Firestar II and undecided whether to
cover the sides up to the wings or leave top part open. I would like to hear
pros and cons.
Bart
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| Subject: | Re: Winter flight/ streamlined struts |
Uncle Craig man you do make some great parts That sure looks great are you
selling any of the wing strut farings ? if not you should be selling to
everyone on the list including me.
Ellery in Maine
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In a message dated 2/2/2008 6:17:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
craig.nelson@heraeus.com writes:
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I did a flight today about 90 miles with some friends a titan tornado
and a Swiss bull dog. Level flight,59 degrees 3000 ft, 5100 rpm, and 90
indicated, 90 ground speed on the gps verified with the titan and bull
dog. There was some talk about streamlining struts a few weeks ago--- I
like the PVC ones as there are no bolts sticking out. I used masking
tape and plaster to make lost mold technique fairings at the wing end of
the airfoil strut. The part made of s glass and epoxy resin fits snug
around the pvc faring I got from Kolb and slides up over the attach
point after the pin is in place, then Velcro holds the part secure to
the bottom of the wing. If there were bolts to contend with it would
make this part much more difficult I plan to make fairings for the base
of the strut where it meets the fuselage. It looks like I will have to
make a cowl flap. I had to block off 1/2 of the radiator and oil cooler
to get up to operating temps. After my cardboard cowl flap the oil temp
was around 190
Uncle Craig
MIII X 912 uls
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| Subject: | Firestar Project |
Open question for everyone. I have to repair about five small holes in the ailerons.
I brought the wing into the living room. I ran Ellery's test of using
MEK to double check the finish. Mek would not dissolve the paint, but did dissolve
the vinyl glove I was wearing. The paint is Aerothane. I have the book and
kit from the Millers, but I would appreciate any and all tips on repairs. I
have to use a brush for all stages, as I have nowhere safe to spray isocyanates.
The neighborhood is too close to risk airbornes. I am now going down to the
drug store for latex gloves. The guy at the hardware store thought his were latex,
but they weren't marked. Luckily I only got a couple of pairs.
I hope I got the right color- Madrid Red. I don't care what kind of light I
used before ordering, there were four really close reds.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Not really kolb related |
It's all relative. If you're flying cross country & your 80mph airplane
gets a 20 mph tailwind, you're going 100 over the ground, right? Just
translate that to flying really close to the ground, as in your takeoff
roll. As you bring the power up, the prop will make you accelerate in
the relative wind. You'll still take of at the same *airspeed*, but
you'll have a really high groundspeed. That's why we are taught to take
off into the wind instead of downwind.
Charlie
David Key wrote:
> if a 100 mph wind is pushing you 100 mph your airspeed is 0 I don't
> think you'd go very far.
>
> > Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2008 18:41:32 -0500
> > To: kolb-list@matronics.com
> > From: possums@bellsouth.net
> > Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: Not really kolb related
> >
> >
> > At 07:18 PM 1/31/2008, you wrote:
> > >It's not the prop blast. The plane is pulling itself through the
> > >air. The only thing different than a normal takeoff is the
> > >rotational speed of the wheels. The rest of the plane doesn't know
> > >it is on a belt.
> > >
> > >Bryan D
> >
> > If your plane was on an 8,000 ft runway and had a 100 mph tailwind
> pushing
> > it 100 mph down the runway, Could you take off down wind. Of course you
> > could. Same =======================
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| Subject: | Firestar Project |
To answer Richard Girard's question about the hole margins on my forward wing
attachment point- the front attachment point appears to be a fabricated piece
of junior "I" beam, just under 3" high. The 3 holes are no closer than 1/4" to
the edge, and spaced about 1/2" apart. The web is about 5/32" thick, as are
the upper and lower flanges. The flanges are about
1 1/8" wide. This appears to be plenty of stock for the purpose. I don't know
why- maybe the builder had trouble setting the wing angle, or simply wanted them
adjustable. I can't tell by looking at or in the holes which one was commonly
used. I don't think that it would make a lot of difference, as long as both
sides are set the same.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Winter flight/ streamlined struts |
It's good to hear that I'm not the only one with that vibration. How
did streamlining the struts get rid of the vibration - did you use the
extruded aluminum struts? If so, where is the best place to buy those
for a Firestar II? I am also considering using the PVC covers that
Craig mentioned - would they help with the vibration? Where is a good
place to get those?
Thanks much
Dan G.
503 F2
Tucson
possums wrote:
> I know I picked up about 6mph just by streamlining the struts.
> That is a lot of drag - a round tube that long as opposed to
> a teardrop shaped strut. There is almost nothing better you can
> do to a stock plane to lose drag that streamlining the lift struts.
> Plus - I lost the weird vibration and worry of watching the
> lift struts go thru their little "shake rattle & roll" routine out there.
> I'm sure it didn't hurt anything, but I just didn't like it.
> Jeremy could do the math for you. I just know that it works.
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| Subject: | Re: Regular Unleaded |
Six months ago I called the Distributor for Exxon/Mobil in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
and the owner confirmed they do not add ethanol locally for Exxon/Mobil stations.
He did say thay added 10% to the regular for a local independent gas station
and sold it as mid-grade at the same price as their regular. Adding a minimum
of 10% gets them tax breaks and they are able to sell the oxygenated regular
as mid-grade for the same price as their regular unleaded.
He said fuel with 10% ethanol or more is required to be labeled at the pump in
Idaho. He also said nobody in his area (N Idaho) adds
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