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1. 04:31 AM - Re: 503 on MK-3 (planecrazzzy)
2. 05:29 AM - Re: Re: 503 on MK-3 (Aaron Gustafson)
3. 08:34 AM - Re: Anyone in Southern Texas (Ron)
4. 09:54 AM - Firestar (william sullivan)
5. 10:50 AM - Re: Good light 4 stroke Alternative for Kolbs (HShack@aol.com)
6. 10:55 AM - Re: Good light 4 stroke Alternative for Kolbs (JetPilot)
7. 05:07 PM - Re: 503 on MK-3 (planecrazzzy)
8. 05:07 PM - Re: 503 on MK-3 (Rick Lewis)
9. 05:18 PM - Re: Re: 503 on MK-3 (robert bean)
10. 05:34 PM - the elusive 4 stroke alternative (robert bean)
11. 06:39 PM - Re: the elusive 4 stroke alternative (Eugene Zimmerman)
12. 06:56 PM - Re: Anyone in Southern Texas (lucien)
13. 07:09 PM - Re: Good light 4 stroke Alternative for Kolbs (lucien)
14. 07:36 PM - Re: Ultrastar Update (GeoR38@aol.com)
15. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: 503 on MK-3 (chris davis)
16. 07:49 PM - Kolb Laser? (Dana Hague)
17. 08:19 PM - Re: Re: 447 exhaust temperarures (DAquaNut@aol.com)
18. 08:38 PM - Re: Re: Anyone in Southern Texas (Ron)
19. 09:07 PM - Re: Re: 447 exhaust temperarures (jerb)
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I was thinking the same thing...
Gotta Fly...
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> "HShack(at)aol.com"]My FS II w/ 503 DCDI cruises at 65 mph; how in heck is a
heavier, less- streamlined plane going to cruise at the same speed without running
at 6000 rpm all the time?
>
> At least get the 582; 912 better.
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I just sold my FS2 11 months ago. 440 hours on it all mine. It flies
great with a 447. Better than a 503 IMHO.
----- Original Message -----
From: HShack@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 503 on MK-3
Sounds like a FSII would suit you better. A fantastic flyer with a
503.
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
In a message dated 2/9/2008 7:04:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
agustafson@chartermi.net writes:
don't want a
dog but neither do I need a cruiser. I have a Zenith 601 for going
places
regionally. What I want now is a more around the patch fun flier. So
I can
keep an eye on the neighborhood and make sure no one else has more
junk than
me. It'll probably hardly ever get more than 50 miles from home. I
have
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone in Southern Texas |
Thanks George
I printed the message out and I''ll check out San Marcos see how far off it is.
I got my Beech Sierra out here with me so I may give you a call once I find my
bearings out here, basically I need a sectional for San Marcos area. Sure would
like to move out here, after 20 years out in AZ I am ready for a change in
scenery at the very least.
Having my Kolb M3X out here in flying status is going to be great.
Ron (Arizona)
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Hello Ron
I have a restored Twinstar with a 582 that I'll be glad to show you around San
Marcos in. (Between Austin & San Antonio on IH 35.) Weather permitting of
course. And if you just wanna stop in & swap lies I'm at:
George E. Myers Jr.
1500 IH 35 South
San Marcos, TX 78666
512-353-4860
Quoting Ron <captainron1@cox.net>:
>
> Any Kolbs in Southern Texas?
> I may be out here for some time, and wondering if there are any Kolbs down by
> Mcallen, Brownsville Texas area. This is a nice place to fly around in. Much
> nicer than southern Arizona, a great variety of visuals from Gulf water to
> desert to Farmland to rivers. It passes by too fast from the front office of
> a twin, but would be perfect for a UL, or any Kolb.
>
> Ron (Texas)
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Rick- When my 5" wheel is installed, I had about 1/8" clearance, after grinding
some off the lower strut flange, installing the pivot bolt from the bottom
up, and grinding the bolt head into a round head screw with a slot. I wonder if
mine is really old, and they used a 4" or 4 1/2" wheel originally.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Good light 4 stroke Alternative for Kolbs |
This is not the Hexadyne P-60, but the Aero-twin.
On paper, the P-60 looks good, but it is a radial mounted engine instead of
bed mounted.
The Aero-twin looks REALLY good, but that $10k price [w/ all the necessary
goodies] for an un-tried engine [at least on a Kolb] is a bit much.
If I's rich I'd get an HKS. Looks like I'll just de-carb the old trusty
503................................
Howard Shackleford
FS II
SC
This looks like a good engine alternative for Kolbs.
-4 Stroke
-Weight 100 lbs
-55-65 Hp at 4200-4900 rpm
-Turbo Charged option(65hp)
-Fuel Injection
-CDI Ignition
-Dual Spark plugs per cylinder
-Cheap $6,900
-Availability & Parts in USA, Henderson NV.
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| Subject: | Re: Good light 4 stroke Alternative for Kolbs |
The BaronVonEvil wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
> Yes HKS has been around for awhile but even they were new at one time. I imagine
the same things being said about them regarding if they are going to be around
or if they are just another flash in the pan.
>
>
> Best Regards
> Carlos G
Not true, it is not at all the same situation. When the HKS came out, there was
no good, reliable, light aircraft designed 2 cylinder engine available on the
market, then trying something new made sense. Also the HKS design is very good
for reliability and aircraft use, NOT so with the Aero Twin.
Now, the HKS is available, proven reliable, and in use on many types of aircraft
for the same price as the new engine... So why be the test case with an inferior
engine, when the reliable, proven HKS is available at the same price ?
If you took the time to look at the manufacturers website, there are plenty
of pictures of the engine from many angles. Given what I see of the pictures,
the design of the Aero Twin is inferior to the HKS, I would not want one, to
many mistakes and compromises in their basic design to make it a good airplane
motor.
Mike
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Well, tell us why you think it was better with the 447.....?
Gotta Fly...
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> [="agustafson(at)chartermi.n"]I just sold my FS2 11 months ago. 440 hours on
it all mine. It flies great with a 447. Better than a 503 IMHO.
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I found out the other day, from Travis at Kolb, the latest price for a Rotax 912
is $21,000. So much for a reasonable price engine from them. There engines
are good but NOT that good. [Rolling Eyes]
Rick Lewis
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It looks like they anticipated our genius politicians "rebate"
BB
On 10, Feb 2008, at 8:05 PM, Rick Lewis wrote:
>
> I found out the other day, from Travis at Kolb, the latest price
> for a Rotax 912 is $21,000. So much for a reasonable price engine
> from them. There engines are good but NOT that good. [Rolling Eyes]
>
>
> Rick Lewis
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| Subject: | the elusive 4 stroke alternative |
Wheat futures have been bumping on $15 too. We have to face an
across the board shrinkage in the dollar.
(hmmm, wonder why they call it INflation?)
I have maybe $3500 in this Rube Goldberg propulsion. -Plus about
$15,000 worth of my cheap labor.
Runs fine but the problem is finding the perfect prop.
I'm still looking.
BB
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| Subject: | Re: the elusive 4 stroke alternative |
Hey Bob,
Thanks for the WARM photo on a COLD night.
Colder tonight in Eastern PA than Juneau Alaska.
On Feb 10, 2008, at 8:31 PM, robert bean wrote:
> Wheat futures have been bumping on $15 too. We have to face an
> across the board shrinkage in the dollar.
> (hmmm, wonder why they call it INflation?)
>
> I have maybe $3500 in this Rube Goldberg propulsion. -Plus about
> $15,000 worth of my cheap labor.
> Runs fine but the problem is finding the perfect prop.
> I'm still looking.
> BB
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone in Southern Texas |
captainron1(at)cox.net wrote:
> Thanks George
> I printed the message out and I'll check out San Marcos see how far off it is.
I got my Beech Sierra out here with me so I may give you a call once I find
my bearings out here, basically I need a sectional for San Marcos area. Sure would
like to move out here, after 20 years out in AZ I am ready for a change in
scenery at the very least.
> Having my Kolb M3X out here in flying status is going to be great.
>
> Ron (Arizona)
>
San Marcos is on the San Antonio sectional. It's a really nice airport with a whole
lot of concrete. It's generally UL-friendly or was a year ago when I left,
except for a few grouches here and there.
And of course the aviation folks who live in central and south TX are the finest
guys and gals in the whole world you'll ever meet; I've shaken George's hand
a few times and in fact he owned my old quicksilver ultralight for a while.
As for central TX, I finally had to leave because I couldn't physically handle
the summers anymore. 100+F temps, 80+ humidity and 15+ mph SE winds every day
for 4 months without a break were finally too much for me as I started approaching
middle age.
So if you love very long stretches of unreal heat and humidity and don't mind gusty
winds just about every day, it's great ;).
As I said, the aviation guys and gals really make up for the rotten climate there.
I did a lot of flying out of San Marcos, including most of my never-finished instrument
rating training. There's lots of good flying around there when the wind
is down runway 13....
LS
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| Subject: | Re: Good light 4 stroke Alternative for Kolbs |
JetPilot wrote:
>
>
> Not true, it is not at all the same situation. When the HKS came out, there
was no good, reliable, light aircraft designed 4 stroke 2 cylinder engine available
on the market that was suitable for very light aircraft, at that time trying
something new made sense. Also the HKS design is very good for reliability
and aircraft use, NOT so with the Aero Twin.
>
> Now, the HKS is available, proven reliable, and in use on many types of aircraft
for the same price as the new engine... So why be the test case with an inferior
engine, when the reliable, proven HKS is available at the same price
? If you took the time to look at the manufacturers website, there are plenty
of pictures of the engine from many angles. Given what I see of the pictures,
the design of the Aero Twin is inferior to the HKS, I would not want one,
to many mistakes and compromises in their basic design to make it a good airplane
motor.
>
> Mike
It also appears as if the Oleniks are working on a mount for it for the Kolb, as
there's a slingshot with an HKS on it for sale by them on barnstormers.
The Oleniks are smart guys and do good work, so I'm sure they're going to come
up with a reliable mount.
The HKS looks like the best contender for that gap between the 503 and the 912
which is currently occupied by the 582 and some other 2-strokes. The clever thing
they did with the HKS is made the operating RPM's and gearbox ratios very
similar to the 582 and its gearboxes. So you're not in totally unknown territory
when it comes to prop selection and operating rpm etc.....
I still think it's a bit heavy for something like the FS II, though it does seem
to work. It looks tailor-made for something like the Slingshot tho....
LS
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A 503 will give you outstanding performance on a Firestar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Chris
----- Original Message ----
From: JetPilot <orcabonita@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2008 3:57:18 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 503 on MK-3
The question you need to be asking yourself is not IF the plane will fly with a
503, you need to ask yourself if it will be any fun to fly with a 503. Flying
an underpowered plane and running the engine full out most of the time is definitely
not as fun or rewarding, or as safe as flying a plane with a proper amount
of power. Just because it you can do it does not mean you would want to.
It all comes down to money, if you are able, get the 912-S, it is by far the best
engine to put on a Kolb MK III. Work overtime, do whatever it takes to put
the best engine you can afford on that plane, it will make the difference between
having a plane that is fun and enjoyable to fly, and building a plane you
never really like.
If you cannot afford the 912-S, I would look for a used one. If not that, I would
look at the VW Rick talks about, if not that, I would look at the 582. If
you cant afford at least the 582, I would not build the MK III. If I was stuck
with nothing but a 503, I would build a firestar-II which is smaller, lighter,
and will give acceptable flight performance with a Rotax 503.
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Looking in some old Experimenter magazines a friend gave me, I see some
pictures of "Homer Kolb and his latest design, the Laser", a nice looking
low wing plane. I'd never heard of this aircraft before; whatever happened
to it?
1990 was a very good year for Kolb, with an Ultrastar as the Grand Champion
Light Plane, a Firestar as the Grand Champion Ultralight (!), and another
Ultrastar (built by a guy I knew in college, small world!) as Reserve Grand
Champion Ultralight. Interesting how many Firestars were passed off as
"ultralight" back then...
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| Subject: | Re: 447 exhaust temperarures |
Group,
I am still plagued with too high of exhaust temps. I have tried different
jet needles needle jets and main jets but there seems to always be a hot spot
between 4000 and 5200 rpms. Question what is the minimum exhaust temp
that is recommended for the Rotax 447 ? On climb out with the 170 main
jet i am seeing 1000*. At other rpms, egts will get to 1150 or 1175. Will it
hurt anything if I run it with the EGTS at 1000* I have it propped for
6250 static and the heads are at 350 *or so most of the time. This 447 is such
a
royal pain. I am thinking of getting one of those in flight adjustable carb
mixture controls if I can.
Ed Diebel FF # 62
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone in Southern Texas |
Thanks, I flew / fly freight out of Dallas and Houston so I know about the b'chin'
heat and humidity. Got used to it but never did like taking a shower with
a set of new cloths and 35 minutes later being ready for another shower and
another set of new cloths. I think with the breezy Kolb it won't be as bad. But
I deffer to others about that. :-)
Still like it better out here than Arizona which among other things with the influx
of Califruties is turning into Taxzona.
Oh less I forget you ain't seen no winds till you been to Arizona. Dry wind that
floats all the allergens most of which have yet to be discovered by science,
but very discoverable by our immune system.
Ron (Temporarily in Texas)
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---- lucien <lstavenhagen@hotmail.com> wrote:
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captainron1(at)cox.net wrote:
> Thanks George
> I printed the message out and I'll check out San Marcos see how far off it is.
I got my Beech Sierra out here with me so I may give you a call once I find
my bearings out here, basically I need a sectional for San Marcos area. Sure would
like to move out here, after 20 years out in AZ I am ready for a change in
scenery at the very least.
> Having my Kolb M3X out here in flying status is going to be great.
>
> Ron (Arizona)
>
San Marcos is on the San Antonio sectional. It's a really nice airport with a whole
lot of concrete. It's generally UL-friendly or was a year ago when I left,
except for a few grouches here and there.
And of course the aviation folks who live in central and south TX are the finest
guys and gals in the whole world you'll ever meet; I've shaken George's hand
a few times and in fact he owned my old quicksilver ultralight for a while.
As for central TX, I finally had to leave because I couldn't physically handle
the summers anymore. 100+F temps, 80+ humidity and 15+ mph SE winds every day
for 4 months without a break were finally too much for me as I started approaching
middle age.
So if you love very long stretches of unreal heat and humidity and don't mind gusty
winds just about every day, it's great ;).
As I said, the aviation guys and gals really make up for the rotten climate there.
I did a lot of flying out of San Marcos, including most of my never-finished instrument
rating training. There's lots of good flying around there when the wind
is down runway 13....
LS
--------
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FS II
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| Subject: | Re: 447 exhaust temperarures |
Ed,
Do you have an adjustable pitch prop? Actually 1000* degrees F is OK
- go to much above that and I would start getting concerned.
High EGT's often indicate you might need to load the engine a little
more by increasing your prop's pitch. We set our new 447's to 5900
static (tail tied down full throttle) and get about 6000-6100 RPM on
full throttle on takeoff. A little more pitch isn't going to hurt
anything. Try it and see what it does.
What's the EGT numbers doing when you pull back power some such as on
final. For some reason I noticed that FireFly's have a tenancy to
peak EGT's when power is reduced some, not completely on final.
It's been so long since I touched our old Kolb FireFly, I can't
recall what jets and needles we ran in it - I know for sure we
changed the original main jet.
There was a post about a needle to use to reduce high mid-range EGT
temp's on 02:03 PM 8/11/04 -0400, by: Gene Ledbetter. Might want to
take a look at it. I got the needle but hadn't tried it.
jerb
At 10:16 PM 2/10/2008, you wrote:
>Group,
>
> I am still plagued with too high of exhaust temps. I have tried
> different jet needles needle jets and main jets but there seems to
> always be a hot spot between 4000 and 5200
> rpms. Question what is the minimum exhaust temp that is
> recommended for the Rotax 447 ? On climb out with the 170 main
> jet i am seeing 1000*. At other rpms, egts will get to 1150 or
> 1175. Will it hurt anything if I run it with the EGTS at 1000* I
> have it propped for 6250 static and the heads are at 350 *or so
> most of the time. This 447 is such a royal pain. I am thinking of
> getting one of those in flight adjustable carb mixture controls if I can.
>
>
> Ed Diebel FF # 62
>
>
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