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1. 04:04 AM - Re: Wing Incidence and AOA on a MkIII (JVanLaak@aol.com)
2. 04:56 AM - wife (william sullivan)
3. 07:19 AM - Re: wife (George Myers)
4. 10:12 AM - Re: Wing Incidence and AOA on a MkIII (JetPilot)
5. 10:41 AM - Re: 447 exhaust temperarures (JetPilot)
6. 12:35 PM - Re: Wing Incidence and AOA on a MkIII ()
7. 12:37 PM - Re: Cleaning up a Mark-III (JetPilot)
8. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Cleaning up a Mark-III (John Hauck)
9. 01:54 PM - Fuel Tank (icrashrc)
10. 01:59 PM - Kolb Mark III Xtra Panel / Instrument Pod Setup (JetPilot)
11. 02:08 PM - Re: Fuel Tank (JetPilot)
12. 06:17 PM - Re: Kolb Laser? (The BaronVonEvil)
13. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Laser? (Dana Hague)
14. 06:36 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Laser? (John Hauck)
15. 08:01 PM - Re: Re: 447 exhaust temperarures (DAquaNut@aol.com)
16. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Laser? (Dana Hague)
17. 08:30 PM - Re: Re: Kolb Laser? (John Hauck)
18. 10:34 PM - Fw: 3 Kolb Lasers for sale - Repost from 2002 (jerb)
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Incidence and AOA on a MkIII |
Guys,
I am new to this list but built one of the first Firestars back in 89.
Loved the plane and frankly wish I had one now.
The point to watch in this discussion is probably less the incidence of the
wing than the trim of the tail. The pitch attitude of the airplane will be
dominated by the incidence of the wing but as has been said you will hardly
notice the difference except for when you lift off on takeoff.
But the trim difference could be a little more problematic and it is driven
by the difference in incidence between the wing and tail. I don't quite
remember the last post but if the leading edge of the stabilizer was too high
relative to the wing it would mean less nose up power. There is lots of tail
power in most kolbs but if a non-standard engine is used or some other
non-standard element sneaks in there is the potential for a surprise.
If on the other hand, the angle between the tail and wing agree there is
little problem and I agree that changing it is probably not mandatory, but I
would want to think about all implications. It would be good to be back in the
middle of the designers box.
Jim Van Laak
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To: George Myers
What a considerate wife you have! Now you know that she is not out running
around,burning precious gasoline that you could use in your plane!
Bill Sullivan
Old Firestar
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I'm ashamed to say the thought crossed my mind.
George
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 6:54 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: wife
To: George Myers
What a considerate wife you have! Now you know that she is not out running
around,burning precious gasoline that you could use in your plane!
Bill Sullivan
Old Firestar
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Incidence and AOA on a MkIII |
When I talked to Kolb last time, they gave me all the correct incidence values
from the engine mount being level. Then you can measure wings, tail, and boom
incidence.
The new MK III 's have a 4 hole adjustable front attachment for the leading edge
of the horizontal stab. Talk to Kolb, make sure you have the correct values,
and if you do decide to drill that out, put the adjustable bracket on your boom.
That way you wont be redrilling a bunch of times if the trim of your plane
does not work out exactly as planned, you just change the hole the leading
edge attaches to.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: 447 exhaust temperarures |
Steve Boetto wrote:
> Ed, I still follow John H's advice on 2 stroke. Put the needles and settings
back to the factory setup. Then adjust your prop for 6500 in full throttle
level flight. Your temps should be fine. As far as flying pulled back to 5200,
IMHO, I run my 447 at 5800 to 6000 rpm. As you pull back the power you
will be leaning the engine and it will run hotter. I do all of my descents at
idle.
>
> Steve
>
>
You should not have to change your jets. Set up the carb as per manufacturers
specs, everything where the manual says, and then pitch your prop to get the temps
you want. After trying a lot of different things, this worked on the 447
that I fly. More pitch = lower temps and was the most effective at controlling
temps and resulted in the smoothest running engine. BTW 1000 EGT on climbout
is fine, it can even be a down in the 900's in climb without a problem., dont
expect to be seeing the same temps on cruise and climbout, they will change
a lot.
1175 is to high in cruise, put some more pitch in your prop, just increasing the
prop pitch for 100 RPM less static RPM will bring that cruise temp right down
to where you want it. My static RPM is very close to 6000 RPM.
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Incidence and AOA on a MkIII |
Here is what I did. I set the Mark III at cruise speed and measured the stick
distance from the instrument panel. Then, back on the ground I set it to the
same distance and checked the elevator to the stabilizer. It was level. Therefore,
I think that the AOL of approx. 9 degrees is about right.
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning up a Mark-III |
John Hauck wrote:
> > Earlier Mark-IIIs (like Hauck's) had fabric all the way up to the bottom
>
> > of the wing, like the Firestar.
> >
> > Dennis Kirby
> >
> >
>
> Dennis:
>
> Seemed to me to be an ideal place to put a big fuel tank and get some use
> out of that big empty space. We ended up with a nice 25 gal useable
> aluminum tank.
>
> Nope, that is an original Hauck design change, not Kolb.
>
> john h
> mkIII
That is a lot of gas !
Can you carry 2 people with full gas if you want to ? How much weight have you
carried in your MK III ?
Mike
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| Subject: | Re: Cleaning up a Mark-III |
> Can you carry 2 people with full gas if you want to ? How much weight
have you carried in your MK III ?
>
> Mike
Mike B:
Yes, my mkIII flies with two up, their camping and survival gear, food, and
clothes, plus 25 gallons (150 lbs) fuel.
Brother Jim and I flew to Cedar Mills, TX, in 1998, for their flyin on Lake
Texoma. From their down to Dallas and then back to Alabama. It was very
hot during that trip. We cruised 8,500 feet to get a little relief from the
heat.
Flies pretty good loaded up. After about a week of taking off at max gross,
near 1,200 lbs, the feel of the heavy mkIII becomes normal, and I do not
have those feelings that it may be flying a little sluggish. Except, of
course, when the DA is extremely high and elevation is well above a mile.
Then climb is degraded for a mkIII. Which means, we ain't climbing 1500 to
2000 feet per minute.
Have put a lot of hours on Miss P'fer with take off weight at 1,200 lbs.
She does good.
One of the nice things about flying to and in Alaska is low altitude. Most
areas are 2,500 feet and down. I can fly to the North Slope through Atigun
Pass, but must climb to 5,000 feet or higher to get through. By flying from
Bettles to Anaktuvuk Pass, I don't have to get much over 2,500 feet to get
to the North Slope.
Today, chores are keeping me at 350 feet msl. ;-(
john h
mkIII
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I've just added a new webpage with more details on both our custom tank as well
as the slightly different version now being offered from Kolb.
http://www.ill-eagleaviation.com/fuel_tank.htm
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Scott
www.ill-EagleAviation.com
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| Subject: | Kolb Mark III Xtra Panel / Instrument Pod Setup |
I have seen some questions from time to time as to how setup the instrumentation
in the Kolb MK III Xtra Panel / Instrument Pod. Mine has undergone several
changes, and here is the latest which I like very much.
I have never been a fan of those Micro Air transponders and radios, I have never
tried them but have heard some negative comments about them from time to time...
So from the beginning I went with full sized, full performance avionics.
Garmin Transponder, ATC always sees me even far out, it works... The ICOM
210 is the best I radio I have ever used, and the best intercom I have ever
used, and both are built all into one unit. I can usually hear the airport ATIS
further out than I have fuel for, and communications range is great. The intercom
and radio both have a bunch of programmable features selectable via the
menu and works great in a high noise environment like a Kolb.
There are a lot of ways to make this panel, but this is very " Pilot Friendly "
and has exactly what I need to fly cross country right in front of me while not
having anything extra that blocks the great view outside, which is exactly
what flying a Kolb is all about :)
Mike
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Travis just told me about this fuel tank yesterday, and that looks SWEET !!! I
have long wanted more fuel, but did not want to take a hacksaw to my cage either.
18 gallons is perfect, I'm glad they went to the trouble to put an extra
couple gallons in it... 16 gallons is better, but still not enough to go far
and still have a good reserve and justify the price. The 18 gallon tank is big
enough to do some serious cross country and makes it well worth the price !
I will be buying one next week :)
Check out Kolbs video of the installation at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sSQdnRwsUF8
Mike Bigelow
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Hi Dana,
I don't know the reason for Kolb's change of heart about the lasers but I do recall
seeing them for sale on ebay a few years ago. I believe there were three
aircraft involved in that sale ( no engine or instruments).
Somebody has them but I haven't seen them in the press or in the sale section of
any common web sites.
You might give Travis a call at Kolb to see if he knows of its history.
Carlos G
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At 09:12 PM 2/12/2008, The BaronVonEvil wrote:
>I don't know the reason for Kolb's change of heart about the lasers but I
>do recall seeing them for sale on ebay a few years ago. I believe there
>were three aircraft involved in that sale ( no engine or instruments).
>
>Somebody has them but I haven't seen them in the press or in the sale
>section of any common web sites.
>
>You might give Travis a call at Kolb to see if he knows of its history.
No big deal, just curiosity... looked like a neat airplane but not one I'd
be excessively interested in, my interests lie elsewhere.
-Dana
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I believe there were three aircraft involved in that sale ( no engine or
instruments).
>
> Carlos G
Carlos:
To the best of my knowledge, I remember two Lasers. The initial prototype
was flown at OSH and LAL.
June 1993, I flew up to Homer Kolb's. Spent three weeks painting the second
Laser. We hung it in Homer's hanger. It never flew. That Laser went to
London, KY, when TNK bought Kolb. It ended up getting cut up in an
attempted redesign.
Not sure, but think somebody bought what was left of both of them.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: 447 exhaust temperarures |
In a message dated 2/12/2008 12:42:26 P.M. Central Standard Time,
orcabonita@hotmail.com writes:
More pitch = lower temps and was the most effective at controlling temps and
resulted in the smoothest running engine. BTW 1000 EGT on climbout is
fine, it can even be a down in the 900's in climb without a problem., dont expect
to be seeing the same temps on cruise and climbout, they will change a lot.
1175 is to high in cruise, put some more pitch in your prop, just increasing
the prop pitch for 100 RPM less static RPM will bring that cruise temp right
down to where you want it. My static RPM is very close to 6000 RPM.
Mike
More pitch= lower EGTS More pitch= higher CHTS When I add pitch it
causes my Chts to go up around 400* I need a balance between EGTS and CHTS.
DO I go up on my main jets until my hot spots dont go over 1175 * It
gets the hottest around 4000 rpm and 5000 rpm. I just dont want to creat a
situation that causes excess carbon. There is another guy here running 180 main
jets in his 447 in a J-3 Kitten. I think I Think I am going to raise my
main jet size until it does not get above 1175* at anytime. My plugs are very
light in color and I have had the engine run a little rough and when I pull
the enrichener the roughness smoothed out .
Ed FF # 62
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At 09:32 PM 2/12/2008, John Hauck wrote:
>To the best of my knowledge, I remember two Lasers. The initial prototype
>was flown at OSH and LAL.
>
>June 1993, I flew up to Homer Kolb's. Spent three weeks painting the
>second Laser. We hung it in Homer's hanger. It never flew. That Laser
>went to London, KY, when TNK bought Kolb. It ended up getting cut up in
>an attempted redesign.
>
>Not sure, but think somebody bought what was left of both of them.
So what happened? Was TNK simply not interested in developing or marketing
the design?
-Dana
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> So what happened? Was TNK simply not interested in developing or
marketing
> the design?
>
> -Dana
Dana:
I don't know why TNK did not develope the Laser.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | 3 Kolb Lasers for sale - Repost from 2002 |
Hi Folks, this may answer some of your questions regarding the Laser.
jerb
>From: "S Ferkey" <sferkey@charter.net>
>To: <kolb-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: Kolb-List: 3 Kolb Lasers for sale
>Date: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:35:29 -0500
>Sender: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
>X-Airmail-Delivered: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:38:49 -0500 (CDT)
>X-Airmail-Spooled: Sun, 6 Oct 2002 16:38:37 -0500 (CDT)
>
>
>3 Kolb Lasers For Sale or Trade: I purchased these three Low Wing,
>two place side by side planes from Kolb two years ago after they
>decided to hold off on puting them into full production. One of the
>planes is the red one most of us saw Dennis Souder flying at Sun N'
>Fun and in the Kolb video as well as in the feature story of Kit
>Planes. I also have the white powder coated Laser fusalage we've
>all seen at Sun N' Fun and Oshkosh complete with center section,
>cowling, canopy, ect. Finally, I have a third identical Laser
>complete fusalage, tail feathers, and miscellaneous parts. My
>career will no longer afford me the time to dedicate to puting these
>planes in the air so I am selling all three of them together for a
>total asking price of $14,800. I am selling the planes as I bought
>them, less engine and instruments and "for parts" to avoid any
>liability issues. I have the Kolb Laser Video as well as most of
>the Laser literature and specifications. I will also consider tr!
>ades, aviation related or not. Please contact Sheldon Ferkey at my
>email address sferkey@charter.net or at my phone number 715-887-4363
>or 715-421-3500.
>
>
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