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1. 04:12 AM - Re: Structural Failure (GeoR38@aol.com)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: The Tax People !!! (Aaron Gustafson)
3. 05:33 AM - Re: The Tax People !!! (robert bean)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!! (Thom Riddle)
5. 06:37 AM - Florida Aircraft taxes (Jim Hauck)
6. 06:50 AM - Re: The Tax People !!! (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
7. 07:30 AM - Re: Fly the plane!! (Ron)
8. 07:34 AM - Re: The Tax People !!! (George Myers)
9. 07:40 AM - Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!! (jb92563)
10. 07:42 AM - Re: Race (not Kolb) (Ron)
11. 07:48 AM - Thieves and tax collectors (Mike Welch)
12. 07:53 AM - Re: Structural Failure (WillUribe@aol.com)
13. 07:58 AM - Re: Structural Failure (TK)
14. 08:04 AM - Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!! (WillUribe@aol.com)
15. 08:16 AM - Re: Videos (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
16. 08:38 AM - Re: Structural Failure (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
17. 08:41 AM - Re: Structural Failure (Travis Brown (Kolb Aircraft))
18. 09:12 AM - Re: Structural Failure (Ralph B)
19. 10:00 AM - Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!! (boyd)
20. 10:12 AM - bow tip diagonal braces (was structural failure) (Ben Ransom)
21. 10:43 AM - Re: bow tip diagonal braces (was structural failure) (WillUribe@aol.com)
22. 11:16 AM - Re: bow tip diagonal braces (was structural failure) (WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com)
23. 12:34 PM - Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!! (jb92563)
24. 04:19 PM - Re: Structural Failure (DAquaNut@aol.com)
25. 04:30 PM - Re: Structural Failure (DAquaNut@aol.com)
26. 04:36 PM - Re: Structural Failure (John Hauck)
27. 05:40 PM - Re: Re: Firestar Videos and VG's ()
28. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Firestar Videos and VG's (possums)
29. 06:21 PM - Kolb Flying Video (Bill Vincent)
30. 07:18 PM - Light'em up (possums)
31. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Firestar Videos and VG's (Ron)
32. 07:51 PM - Re: Light'em up (possums)
33. 07:57 PM - Re: Firestar Videos and VG's (JetPilot)
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| Subject: | Re: Structural Failure |
In a message dated 2/26/2008 12:24:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
DAquaNut@aol.com writes:
Fire Flyers,
When pulling my engine through to get fuel to the carb , I noticed a
metallic rattle I had not heard before. It was inside the wing. I isolated it
to the trailing edge and outboard edge of the left wing as viewed from the
seat. Further examination indicated the problem area was near the end of the
wing spar. I removed the wing and brought it home. Reluctantly I cut through
the fabric, To reveal the 5/16 " X. 035 alum tube running from the outboard
trailing edge to the inside of the outboard end of the main wing spar had
severed completely . This tube was possibly flattened too much by the factory
as
it broke where it was flattened. This was a quick build kit. This firefly
has never had the wings to hit the ground or anything else. It has never been
slightly wrecked. Apparently taxiing on those little four inch wheels, over
stressed that 5/16" tube. Anyone heard of this happening to a Firefly?
Ed FF # 62
It happened to my firestar at the same location....no big deal, I just
replaced it with a slightly less crushed piece
George Randolph
the Villages, Fl
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| Subject: | Re: The Tax People !!! |
It all boils down to "Obey the law you're under"
OR
"Lie, cheat and hope you don't get caught", maybe allways looking over
your shoulder.
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| Subject: | Re: The Tax People !!! |
This is a different case, such as the long time owners of a homebuilt
being dunned at the time of registration.
If there are many in your state facing the same deal I would seek a
letter ruling from the tax commissioner
or the state attorney general stating a uniform framework on this
specific situation. If you are in a EAA
chapter that would give you some standing.
Folks who move to a state with no income tax are sometimes deceiving
themselves and end up facing
endless nuisance taxes instead. NY has a bad rep but is very
reasonable for retirees.
No state airplane licensure or annual tax. I gave them $60
voluntarily for my "sales tax" and
they accepted it.
BB
On 26, Feb 2008, at 8:03 AM, Aaron Gustafson wrote:
> It all boils down to "Obey the law you're under"
>
> OR
>
> "Lie, cheat and hope you don't get caught", maybe allways looking
> over your shoulder.
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| Subject: | Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!! |
Scott,
The state of New York has an impressively effective bunch of bureaucrats whose
job is to comb the FAA registration database, at least annually, and find newly
registered aircraft in their jurisdiction. They WILL find and WILL send you
a sales tax bill. You can guess how I know this. If you have somehow escaped their
notice (so far) I would not count on this forever.
That said, I'm still waiting (with my fingers crossed) on my sales tax bill for
the FS1 I bought and registered last July. They've always found me in the past
and I expect they will again. When they do, they will also bill you for fines
and penalties for not volunteering to pay the tax in a timely fashion. So far,
I've talked them out of those by pleading ignorance and cutting a check for
the actual tax due.
On the plus side, New York does not have what is called the annual Ad Valorem tax
that is a real PITA in many states in the south. So once you pay the sales
tax there is no more annual penance to be paid. Same for cars and boats.
--------
Thom Riddle
N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL
N197BG FS1/447
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| Subject: | Florida Aircraft taxes |
http://dor.myflorida.com/dor/taxes/sut_aircraft_owner.html
Y'all this explains Florida Aircraft taxes.
Jim Hauck
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| Subject: | Re: The Tax People !!! |
My advice is to be reasonable and believable. It isn't worth getting a
tax fraud charge.
I said It was a home built airplane purchased and built 15 years ago
with a VW beetle engine which it is. I gave them a low total cost. These
people are used to the sale of a Cessna or Piper. They don't have a clue
what a homebuilt plane costs especially years ago. Call it by the FAA
description NeilsenKolb which adds another level of confusion. You may
want to add in the description that is was once considered a ultralight.
The main thing is to convince them that it isn't a high $ GA airplane
that would be worth looking into. A few dollars just isn't worth their
time
Be prepared for the yearly registration charge. Michigan has a minimum
so I pay $10/ year.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: robert bean
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The Tax People !!!
This is a different case, such as the long time owners of a homebuilt
being dunned at the time of registration.
If there are many in your state facing the same deal I would seek a
letter ruling from the tax commissioner
or the state attorney general stating a uniform framework on this
specific situation. If you are in a EAA
chapter that would give you some standing.
Folks who move to a state with no income tax are sometimes deceiving
themselves and end up facing
endless nuisance taxes instead. NY has a bad rep but is very
reasonable for retirees.
No state airplane licensure or annual tax. I gave them $60
voluntarily for my "sales tax" and
they accepted it.
BB
On 26, Feb 2008, at 8:03 AM, Aaron Gustafson wrote:
It all boils down to "Obey the law you're under"
OR
"Lie, cheat and hope you don't get caught", maybe allways looking
over your shoulder.
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| Subject: | Re: Fly the plane!! |
Yes Mike I agree. Kolb quit sounds like some kind of epithet, maybe it was about
Homer going into retirement.
Ron (TxAz)
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---- Mike Welch <mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com> wrote:
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John, and group of Kolb Guys,
I just watched all 3 videos, in their entirety, and must say that this latest
discussion about "Kolb quit" (as Pat prefers to call it) has been the most useless
thread I've read in years!!
Watching these gentlemen fly and land their Firestars reminded me of why I wanted
a Kolb in the first place...namely because they are incredibly docile machines.
Conversions about stalling and bending landing gear and Kolb drop and
other inane subjects have only lead to fears to those of us that have yet to fly
our planes.
I have several hundred hours of flight time on my Cessna 172. I have never come
even close to bending the landing gear. I've never dropped it in from 10'
feet up. I've never stalled it as I was landing. (Although I watched someone
do this on a 152 rental plane). Now I say to myself "why would I fear landing
a Kolb, providing I FLY THE PLANE!!!"
Now, I'm NOT coming down on anyone who has ever bent landing gear. I know crap
happens. Even the best among us can have a lapse of concentration and make
a misjudgement. This may very well happen to me, someday. But having just watched
an excellent example of potential Kolb performance, long drawn-out discussions
on falling out the sky seem useless. Learn to fly the plane, simple as
that.
I found these videos refreshing, from the standpoint of knowing I am building
an enjoyable flying,and gentle, well balanced aircraft.
Mike Welch
Kolb MkIII
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| Subject: | The Tax People !!! |
Careful...this country was founded by people who didn't want to pay taxes
perceived as unfair.
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Gustafson
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:03 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: The Tax People !!!
It all boils down to "Obey the law you're under"
OR
"Lie, cheat and hope you don't get caught", maybe allways looking over your
shoulder.
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| Subject: | Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!! |
For a glider I bought I was sent 3 tax bills.
One from Santa Ynez county in CA where the previous owner lived, one from Riverside
County where I live, and one from Orange County because I live a couple miles
from their county line and they though they could snag some extra bucks.
In the end I ended up paying nothing because I read their Tax ordinances on aircraft
and found that my Glider by their own definition was not "designed for powered
navigation through the air"......nope....no power in a glider.....Haaaaaa....they
had to eat their own regs!!!
Unfortunately my Moni Motor Glider does cost me even though its not even finished
being built.......so the buggers got me anyway.
The UltraStar however is not registered so I'm in the clear with that one too!
2 out of 3 aint bad!
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Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Race (not Kolb) |
All I can say about that boy, and it makes me worry about my own, is that we just
saw the result of too many video games growing up.
Ron (TxAz)
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http://www.snotr.com/video/568
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" in MN
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| Subject: | Thieves and tax collectors |
Kolb guys,
Interesting that this subject of taxes regarding your airplane has just come
up. I just finished a 3 month ordeal being screwed by the county tax thieves.
One of the funny (read that "irritating") things about the tax thieves is they
operate about a year to three years behind the times. This last December I
got a tax bill for $400 for my Cessna 172, plus there was an additional $300 in
fines and penalties, since this bill was from 2006. The remarkable thing is:
They NEVER notified me of the original bill (I had moved by the time they sent
out the notice...and the USPO was no longer forwarding my mail, since so much
time had elapsed.)
So, in December 2007, I get this bill [for my hard efforts to buy myself a toy
(Cessna)], for $700. PLUS!!! They want an additional $400 for 2007, for a
total of $1100. I had left the @!#$# state in 2006. But being a day late and
a dollar short, they won't realize that for another year or two.
So, since I'm no longer living in the %$#!! state, I think "screw 'em!!" Right?
I'll not go back. And I think they're thieves, anyway. So what do they do??
They initiate a lien and post it on my credit reports. My credit is stellar...more
than 760, so I think "who the hell cares"? But then it turns out I
decide to move to Missouri and build a house....and I need a "line of credit".
Now I'm screwed. I have to pay off that stinking lien to proceed forward.
For the next two months, I plead my case that I shouldn't have to pay ANY penalties
and fines, since they never notified me of the bill in the first place,
and besides, the bill for 2007 is erroneous, because I had left the state already.
Oh, and here's the real clincher!!! FIRST, you have to pay ALL the bill,
and then they decide if you are relieved of any of the tax or penalties!!!!
A couple of weeks ago I finally settled the matter, was able to get the line
of credit, and pay only the initial $400. They "forgave" me for the rest. How
benevolent of them.
The point of this story is; THEY are the government. They can do ANYTHING they
want to you. If some stupid schmuck dreams up a tax (and they have), you WILL
pay it. Or they will bring down ALL their resources upon you.
Our forefathers had the right attitude about big government. Somehow, we have
forgotten what they taught.
(This email has been the "G Rated version" for our younger audience, and those
with sensitive ears!)
Mike Welch
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| Subject: | Structural Failure |
Hi Ed,
I wouldn't call those tubes structural, per the builder's manual they are
installed to keep the wing bow from bending when shrinking the fabric. Dave
Rains old FireStar II had the same problem and flew it like that for a long
time until the lose tube started chaffing the fabric. It wasn't until after he
accidentally started the engine at full throttle inside the hanger and ran the
wing tip into the hanger wall was when we fixed them.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
_http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1089406573728651489_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1089406573728651489)
_http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7821240344254343216_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7821240344254343216)
_http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1480724639524498797_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1480724639524498797)
(https://www.google.com/video/upload/Status)
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAquaNut@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Structural Failure
Fire Flyers,
When pulling my engine through to get fuel to the carb , I noticed a
metallic rattle I had not heard before. It was inside the wing. I isolated it
to
the trailing edge and outboard edge of the left wing as viewed from the seat.
Further examination indicated the problem area was near the end of the wing
spar. I removed the wing and brought it home. Reluctantly I cut through the
fabric, To reveal the 5/16 " X. 035 alum tube running from the outboard
trailing edge to the inside of the outboard end of the main wing spar had severed
completely . This tube was possibly flattened too much by the factory as it
broke where it was flattened. This was a quick build kit. This firefly has
never had the wings to hit the ground or anything else. It has never been
slightly wrecked. Apparently taxiing on those little four inch wheels, over
stressed that 5/16" tube. Anyone heard of this happening to a Firefly?
Ed FF # 62
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2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)
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| Subject: | Re: Structural Failure |
WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote:
>
>
> In a message dated 2/26/2008 12:24:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> DAquaNut@aol.com writes:
>
> To reveal the 5/16 " X. 035 alum tube running from the outboard
> trailing edge to the inside of the outboard end of the main wing
> spar had severed completely .
>
> Ed,
>
> This has happened to many Kolbs, including mine (both
> wings). Basically that tube just holds some tension on the
> trailing edge spar and wing tip bow to help keep them in position,
> so as not to have it bend back during rough handling or contact
> with the ground. It is not to serious and I continued flying for
> awhile, but kept checking on it to be sure it wasn't bending
> back. Finally, I elected to repair mine by using a larger,
> 3/8" diameter tube. The worst part was making the decision to cut
> an access hole in my nicely painted wing fabric :(
>
> Bill Varnes
> Original Kolb FireStar
> Audubon NJ
> Do Not Archive
>
Ed, Bill,
How many hours did you have on it when this happened? I haven't heard
of this before and haven't had a problem so far ( keep my mouth shut or
I will ). Having to replace my aileron gap seals after nine years, not
bad for book tape, and I have the wings off to do so. Didn't notice any
problem with this diagonal tube. Have had some pretty rough landings
over the years. Will be keeping an eye out for this on my preflights.
Terry - FireFly #95
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| Subject: | Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!! |
Hi Dave,
My suggestions is move to Texas, not state income tax or airplane tax.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II
do not archive
PS; Helping Dave Rains build his Mosquito, hope to be at MV if we get the
engine in time.
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BMWBikeCrz@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 5:40 PM
Subject: Kolb-List: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!!
Now that I have done the "right thing" and registered my Firestar the State
of Florida wants Sales Tax !!! Any Suggestions ???
Thanks ! Dave
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Will,
That third video shows an awfully long runway. I'd think you might run out
of fuel before reaching the end. Hehehe.
Bill Varnes
Audubon, NJ
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In a message dated 2/26/2008 10:54:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
WillUribe@aol.com writes:
Hi Ed,
I wouldn't call those tubes structural, per the builder's manual they are
installed to keep the wing bow from bending when shrinking the fabric. Dave
Rains old FireStar II had the same problem and flew it like that for a long
time until the lose tube started chaffing the fabric. It wasn't until after he
accidentally started the engine at full throttle inside the hanger and ran the
wing tip into the hanger wall was when we fixed them.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
_http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1089406573728651489_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1089406573728651489)
_http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7821240344254343216_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7821240344254343216)
_http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1480724639524498797_
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1480724639524498797)
(https://www.google.com/video/upload/Status)
From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DAquaNut@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Structural Failure
Fire Flyers,
When pulling my engine through to get fuel to the carb , I noticed a
metallic rattle I had not heard before. It was inside the wing. I isolated it
to
the trailing edge and outboard edge of the left wing as viewed from the seat.
Further examination indicated the problem area was near the end of the wing
spar. I removed the wing and brought it home. Reluctantly I cut through the
fabric, To reveal the 5/16 " X. 035 alum tube running from the outboard
trailing edge to the inside of the outboard end of the main wing spar had severed
completely . This tube was possibly flattened too much by the factory as it
broke where it was flattened. This was a quick build kit. This firefly has
never had the wings to hit the ground or anything else. It has never been
slightly wrecked. Apparently taxiing on those little four inch wheels, over
stressed that 5/16" tube. Anyone heard of this happening to a Firefly?
Ed FF # 62
____________________________________
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Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Structural Failure |
In a message dated 2/26/2008 10:58:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tkrolfe@toast.net writes:
How many hours did you have on it when this happened?
Terry/Ed,
Re the drag tube for the wingtip bow.
I had 38 hours on the airframe when I heard the rattle in the left wing,
while the right wing went 115 hours. By the way, I have the early, original
model FireStar and the tube was only 1/4" OD! It broke at the bend where it
attaches to the end of the main spar. I think the bend caused too much stress
on the tube, like maybe it was cracked a little during construction. I built
it, so maybe my mistake. The 3/8" tube I replaced it with hasn't broke
yet. But of course it added a few more ounces.
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Structural Failure |
Hello everyone Bryan of Custom Air has ask me to post on this list that
when he started building our Quickbuilds in 1999 he noticed this
particular tube being crimped from TOK quickbuilds. Bryan has always
used a smooth radius on this tube and has also corrected many crimped
tubes from earlier quickbuilds.This is not a structural issue but should
be repaired if noticed.
Travis @ Kolb
----- Original Message -----
From: WillUribe@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 10:49 AM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Structural Failure
Hi Ed,
I wouldn't call those tubes structural, per the builder's manual they
are installed to keep the wing bow from bending when shrinking the
fabric. Dave Rains old FireStar II had the same problem and flew it
like that for a long time until the lose tube started chaffing the
fabric. It wasn't until after he accidentally started the engine at full
throttle inside the hanger and ran the wing tip into the hanger wall was
when we fixed them.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
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[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
DAquaNut@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 10:21 PM
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Structural Failure
Fire Flyers,
When pulling my engine through to get fuel to the carb , I noticed
a metallic rattle I had not heard before. It was inside the wing. I
isolated it to the trailing edge and outboard edge of the left wing as
viewed from the seat. Further examination indicated the problem area
was near the end of the wing spar. I removed the wing and brought it
home. Reluctantly I cut through the fabric, To reveal the 5/16 " X. 035
alum tube running from the outboard trailing edge to the inside of the
outboard end of the main wing spar had severed completely . This tube
was possibly flattened too much by the factory as it broke where it was
flattened. This was a quick build kit. This firefly has never had the
wings to hit the ground or anything else. It has never been slightly
wrecked. Apparently taxiing on those little four inch wheels, over
stressed that 5/16" tube. Anyone heard of this happening to a Firefly?
Ed FF # 62
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| Subject: | Re: Structural Failure |
This happened on my Original Firestar many years ago. It will affect the wing enough
to cause a slight roll. When I repaired it the tube, the roll tendency went
away. This roll may be due to the 5-rib wing in these early Firestars. The
7-rib wings may not be affected. The Original Firestars used a 1/4" tube. I had
to cut a large piece of fabric out of the bottom of the wing and then rivet
in 5/16" tubing. Another thing was to make the bend where it attaches to the
spar with a piece of 3/32" aluminum and rivet the tube to that. This way the tube
wont break again.
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Original Firestar
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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| Subject: | Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!! |
Now that I have done the "right thing" and registered my Firestar the State
of Florida wants Sales Tax !!! Any Suggestions ???
Thanks
! Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Pay it or move to a state that does not have sales tax.
In Utah they wanted sales tax on the kolb.. a lot of tax. in the tax due
line it showed, " $530,114.11" as the fair market value of aircraft
on registration date, and at 6% tax rate they only wanted " $31,806.85"
needless to say we did a bit of negotiating.
. then they wanted property tax and registration fees. based on the above
information . then after a few years I discovered, quite by accident, that
I qualified for registration in the antique/experimental category,,, and
the registration is a 1 time lifetime fee. Instead of yearly fees. Your
state may have different laws. But worth asking. Now I have gone from
$70.00 down to the $25.00 range per year.
Boyd
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| Subject: | bow tip diagonal braces (was structural failure) |
On the earlier model Firestars, plans called for two crossing diagonal
braces in the bow tip area, aft of the main spar. IIRC, plans called
for these to be tie-wrapped together to avoid chaffing. They chafe
anyway, enf to have worn partway through in mine by 200 hours. As well,
tie-wraps get brittle and can break in 3-4 years. The chafing is from
the 2-stroke vibration, not the 4" wheels. BTW, the plans also called
out an option to beef this area up differently and stronger because it
seemed the most prone to damage in a ground-loop. I believe those who
say these diagonal braces may not be important for flight loads.
I used proseal in a couple other areas where this was a concern, notably
where the steel drag strut braces run right along ribs 2 and 3. Just a
dab in between, right where two members cross each other allows them to
carry their own vibrations and strains without chafing, and Proseal will
never ever unbond.
I might call attention to any new folks that Kolbs are proven in the
area of structural integrity more than most. I don't know of any other
plane where the original designer put his name on the product to the
extent of purposefully exceeding the envelope, in flight, to find what
broke first. That said, it is our responsibility to maintain them so
finding and fixing wear, fatigue, or corrosion is crucial.
-Ben/ KXP
TK wrote:
> WhiskeyVictor36@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 2/26/2008 12:24:06 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>> DAquaNut@aol.com writes:
>>
>> To reveal the 5/16 " X. 035 alum tube running from the outboard
>> trailing edge to the inside of the outboard end of the main wing
>> spar had severed completely .
>>
>> Ed,
>>
>> This has happened to many Kolbs, including mine (both
>> wings). Basically that tube just holds some tension on the
>> trailing edge spar and wing tip bow to help keep them
>> in position, so as not to have it bend back during rough handling
>> or contact with the ground. It is not to serious and I continued
>> flying for awhile, but kept checking on it to be sure it wasn't
>> bending back. Finally, I elected to repair mine by using a
>> larger, 3/8" diameter tube. The worst part was making the
>> decision to cut an access hole in my nicely painted wing fabric :(
>>
>> Bill Varnes
>> Original Kolb FireStar
>> Audubon NJ
>> Do Not Archive
>>
> Ed, Bill,
>
> How many hours did you have on it when this happened? I haven't heard
> of this before and haven't had a problem so far ( keep my mouth shut
> or I will ). Having to replace my aileron gap seals after nine years,
> not bad for book tape, and I have the wings off to do so. Didn't
> notice any problem with this diagonal tube. Have had some pretty
> rough landings over the years. Will be keeping an eye out for this on
> my preflights.
>
> Terry - FireFly #95
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | bow tip diagonal braces (was structural failure) |
Hi Ben,
My plans didn't call for tie-wraps, here is a picture of my braces.
Regards,
Will Uribe
El Paso, TX
FireStar II N4GU
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From: owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-kolb-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Ransom
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 11:09 AM
Subject: Kolb-List: bow tip diagonal braces (was structural failure)
On the earlier model Firestars, plans called for two crossing diagonal
braces in the bow tip area, aft of the main spar. IIRC, plans called
for these to be tie-wrapped together to avoid chaffing. They chafe
anyway, enf to have worn partway through in mine by 200 hours. As well,
tie-wraps get brittle and can break in 3-4 years. The chafing is from
the 2-stroke vibration, not the 4" wheels. BTW, the plans also called
out an option to beef this area up differently and stronger because it
seemed the most prone to damage in a ground-loop. I believe those who
say these diagonal braces may not be important for flight loads.
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| Subject: | Re: bow tip diagonal braces (was structural failure) |
In a message dated 2/26/2008 1:13:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bransom@ucdavis.edu writes:
On the earlier model Firestars, plans called for two crossing diagonal
braces in the bow tip area, aft of the main spar. IIRC, plans called
for these to be tie-wrapped together to avoid chaffing. They chafe
anyway, enf to have worn partway through in mine by 200 hours.
Ben,
I'm glad that you mentioned that. I'd forgotten about that part. When I
replaced the long tube that broke, I used a small square piece of aluminum
sheet (.032" x 2" x 2") riveting it to the two tubes where they cross (4 rivets).
Bill Varnes
Original Kolb FireStar
Audubon NJ
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| Subject: | Re: Holy Crap ! The Tax People !!! |
The moral of all these stories is that the Tax people do a lot of indiscriminate
grabbing for your money if you own something taxable so its up to you to find
out what your local county tax code regulations say as many people are probably
paying more than they have to and may even have liens against your aircraft
you don't even know about yet.
You don't expect them to tell you what discounts you qualify for?!!!
But they sure as heck are more than happy to put liens against anything and everything
you own when ever they can.
Its up to you to find out what is right in your county and straighten them out.
--------
Ray
Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202)
Moni MotorGlider
Schreder HP-11 Glider
Riverside County, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Structural Failure |
In a message dated 2/26/2008 6:13:24 A.M. Central Standard Time,
GeoR38@aol.com writes:
It happened to my firestar at the same location....no big deal, I just
replaced it with a slightly less crushed piece
George Randolph
the Villages, Fl
George,
Did you ever decide if it was caused by taxiing on a rough strip or
what ? I have removed the rivets using a flexible shaft through a small hole
about 6" from the main spar. I also had to put a hole big enough to put my
hand through right at the end of the main spar. I have a piece of 3/8" x .028
6061-T 6 ordered that I plan on bending drilling and then sliding over the
original 5/16" tubing like a sleeve. Plan on putting 3 rivets in it.
Hopefully that will secure it sufficiently. Otherwise I will have to do a lot
more recovering and patching.
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In a message dated 2/26/2008 9:58:47 A.M. Central Standard Time,
tkrolfe@toast.net writes:
How many hours did you have on it when this happened? I haven't heard of
this before and haven't had a problem so far ( keep my mouth shut or I will ).
Having to replace my aileron gap seals after nine years, not bad for book
tape, and I have the wings off to do so. Didn't notice any problem with this
diagonal tube. Have had some pretty rough landings over the years. Will be
keeping an eye out for this on my preflights.
Terry - FireFly #95
Terry,
I had 80 hrs on it when it was descovered. Hope to have her fixed real
soon. If it isn.t one thing its another. Not sure what caused it to break,
but there is some comfort in knowing mine was not the first and its not
considered serious.
Ed FF # 62
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| Subject: | Re: Structural Failure |
Hi Ed:
Usually, tubes break because of vibration. Two strokes are notorious
for creating just the right frequency to stress crack and cause
breakage. Of course, when an aluminum tube is bent, it has already
started the failure process.
1/4" aluminum tubes are prone to break.
Your fix sounds good to me.
Primary function of the 1/4" diagonal tube is, as someone has already
pointed out, to act as a brace when shrinking the fabric on the bow tip.
The very important braces to check periodically, especially the 5 rib FS
and US wing, is the diagonal leading edge brace from main spar to the
leading edge. This is what keeps the noses of the main ribs in column.
The two braces on the nose of the inboard rib are not as important.
Their function is to hold the IB rib nose when the fabric is shrunk.
john h - breaker of little aluminum tube braces in US and FS wings.
mkIII
Did you ever decide if it was caused by taxiing on a rough strip
or what ?
Ed FF # 62
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Videos and VG's |
where does one place the vg's on the horiz stab?
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Videos and VG's |
At 08:38 PM 2/26/2008, you wrote:
>
>where does one place the vg's on the horiz stab?
http://www.landshorter.com/page4.html
If you decide to use them on the underside of your horizontal
stabilizer to improve
your flare then you will place them about 1" apart and just in front
of the elevator.
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| Subject: | Kolb Flying Video |
Hi Gang
I am sending a link to my second video on youtube. It is only 49 seconds
long; because of the media format that the original video was stored in,
the video is a little blurry.
Last summer with my still camera I took some low altitude pictures of my
local river.
While landing, I decided to use the video feature on my still camera. I
held the camera in my left hand while controlling the plane and throttle
with my right hand; this was difficult because the air was turbulent (
and the 2 deer that ran out in front of me ) :-O
Bill Vincent
FS II
Upper Peninsula of Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Videos and VG's |
I am guessing the VG's were just a smidgen too far aft. They were grabbing energized
air but barely. I would just for grins place them about .25 inch further
forward to see what happens.
Ron (Txaz)
=============================
---- "R. Hankins" <rphanks@grantspass.com> wrote:
============
> I would also say it's very possible that one Kolb may not perform exactly like
another Kolb of the same model due to building methods, pilot weight, etc....
>
> Eventually the tail wheel was rolling on the ground way before the mains touched....
>
> The power on stall was impressive. The airplane didn't want to stall. It just
wanted to mush a little and then keep flying.
Michael,
You did a great job of describing the characteristics of my KXP. I can drag the
tail wheel on landing, hold the stick all the way back and not lose elevator
control, and do full power, full back stick mushes with only a stall buffet.
I do all of these with no VGs.
I installed VGs a couple of years ago, but removed them because of the sharpness
of power-off stalls. I can drag the tail on landing without them. With the
VGs the tail would touch while the mains were still a good foot and a half in
the air. The mains would then plop down a little harder then I wanted. If I
ever get around to adding longer gear legs, I will try them again.
Thanks for the great videos and information.
--------
Roger in Oregon
1992 KXP 503 - N1782C
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At 10:14 PM 2/26/2008, you wrote:
Sorry......... meant for beauford
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Videos and VG's |
One thing that those considering putting VG's on thier planes really need to know is that the size, shape and EXACT placement of the vortex generators is CRITICAL. Like most things in flying, a very small change can make a very big difference. Using RC wing skids, or peices of aluminum for making VG's might work, but it might make the difference between something that just helps some, and something that makes a huge improvement in performance. If you want the full benefits and maximum performance from VG's, use the www.landshorter.com VG's that have been tested and optimized for size and shape, and follow the placement instructions exactly.
My experience, this report, and many others like it are the reason that I posted
on the benefits of VG's. For those few that were just last week telling everyone
that VG's were not needed if you just flew the plane correctly, and that
the Kolb drop should be tolerated instead of corrected, your statements and
arguements are now sounding kind of weak.... Its not as much gun to gang up
on several guys reporting the same facts and flight tests as it is to gang up
and try to discredit one is it ? A few guys dug in so firmly on a wrong position
and then tried to save face, that several tried silence and discredit good
informatin. Bottom line, those that put thier own egos and group politics
above the truth did a real disservice to those that would like to improve the
flying charastics of their Kolbs.
Mike
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"NO FEAR" - If you have no fear you did not go as fast as you could
have !!!
Kolb MK-III Xtra, 912-S
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