---------------------------------------------------------- Kolb-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/05/08: 45 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:14 AM - Re: FS II perfomance (Jimmy Young) 2. 05:17 AM - Re: X@#$@#%*XX (KOLB AIRCRAFT) 3. 06:33 AM - Re: Lost mold strut faring (robert bean) 4. 07:47 AM - Re: Lost mold strut faring (Vic Peters) 5. 07:49 AM - Re: X@#$@#%*XX (Thom Riddle) 6. 07:59 AM - Re: 912 Engine Oil - to John Hauck (John Bickham) 7. 08:04 AM - Re: Light'em up (jb92563) 8. 08:09 AM - Re: 912 Engine Oil - to John Hauck (John Bickham) 9. 08:39 AM - Re: Re: 912 Engine Oil - to John Hauck (John Hauck) 10. 09:17 AM - computer help (william sullivan) 11. 09:27 AM - Re: X@#$@#%*XX (Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL) 12. 09:52 AM - Re: Re: X@#$@#%*XX (Larry Cottrell) 13. 10:03 AM - Re: engine out (pj.ladd) 14. 10:18 AM - Lost Mold (Nelson, Craig) 15. 10:18 AM - Re: Vamoose for Sale (pj.ladd) 16. 10:30 AM - Re: Lost mold strut faring (Mike Welch) 17. 10:43 AM - Computer woes (Mike Welch) 18. 10:53 AM - Re: shaped parts () 19. 01:39 PM - computer (william sullivan) 20. 02:06 PM - Re: computer (Mike Welch) 21. 02:19 PM - Re: X@#$@#%*XX (Jim ODay) 22. 02:42 PM - Re: computer (John Hauck) 23. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: X@#$@#%*XX (John Hauck) 24. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: X@#$@#%*XX (Larry Cottrell) 25. 05:02 PM - Lost mold (Nelson, Craig) 26. 05:26 PM - Re: X@#$@#%*XX (John Bickham) 27. 05:48 PM - Re: Lost mold (ElleryWeld@aol.com) 28. 05:57 PM - Re: Lost mold (Bill Vincent) 29. 05:58 PM - computer stuff (william sullivan) 30. 06:02 PM - THE RULES!!!!!!! (william sullivan) 31. 06:04 PM - Re: Re: X@#$@#%*XX (Steven Green) 32. 06:17 PM - axle fittings (william sullivan) 33. 06:27 PM - Re: Re: X@#$@#%*XX (Larry Cottrell) 34. 06:37 PM - Re: 912 Engine Oil - to John Hauck (lucien) 35. 06:51 PM - Re: Vamoose for Sale (possums) 36. 06:55 PM - Re: FireStar Cockpit Noise Reduction? (The BaronVonEvil) 37. 07:15 PM - Re: Computer woes (possums) 38. 07:23 PM - Re: Computer woes (knowvne@aol.com) 39. 07:31 PM - Re: Computer woes (possums) 40. 07:40 PM - Re: axle fittings (Larry Cottrell) 41. 07:48 PM - Re: Computer woes (possums) 42. 08:13 PM - Re: Computer woes (possums) 43. 09:08 PM - Re: Computer woes (Larry Bourne) 44. 09:21 PM - Re: Computer woes (knowvne@aol.com) 45. 10:46 PM - Re: Computer woes (possums) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:14:58 AM PST US From: "Jimmy Young" Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FS II perfomance On Sat, Mar 01 - 5:36AM, Gary Aman wrote: >>>Jim, my Firestar,419# 503dcdi ivo3 6100rpm on takeoff would fly 70 mph @5700.Try winding up that IVO a little.<<< Well, I did, and what a difference it made. #1, this is all new stuff to me, learning as I go, don't know #$%# about it. I dialed up the prop adjuster screw a couple of turns and went out for a flight. I turned it the wrong way, found that out by taking off and watching the rpms race to over 6800, flew around and landed, barely maintaining 50 mph. Back to the hanger and went the other way with the screw. Took off again and the rpms were 5950 to 6050 range on climb out, then went to maybe 6150-6200 at full throttle when I leveled off. I flew down to Bailes Field in Angleton, about 20 miles away, and immediately it was obvious this was a good change. My airspeed was 65 -70, at about 5500-5700 rpm, and was 60 plus even down to around 5000-5200 rpm. I felt like I got a new plane! It has never cruised at these speeds. Tried a few steep climbs, would hit 6150 rpm at FT with 700' per minute rate. I've never been able to cruise my plane in the 4700-5000 rpm range before, it just simply wouldn't maintain altitude. It does now, easily. A 10 mph increase makes a really big difference in the feel of this plane, and I already loved it. Even coming in on approach, I now have to chop more power to get to 50 mph. I didn't have time to really put it to the test and make all the proper notes as to egt's, cht's, etc., that will be my weekend project. I know 65-70 mph airspeeds are not fast, but in this plane it feels like I'm in a rocket! Gary, thanks for the advice. Jimmy Young FS II, N7043P Houston, TX ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:04 AM PST US From: "KOLB AIRCRAFT" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: X@#$@#%*XX larry, sorry to here you had a bad landing, the axle fittings have been beefed up for a long time now, you may want to order 2 because the one you have ordered will not match,they are much better now. donnie at kolb. ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Cottrell To: kolb-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: Kolb-List: X@#$@#%*XX I have been putting off sending this due to shame and a plain reluctance to admit that I could do anything so patently stupid. However one cannot stick their heads in the sand forever. I managed to cause myself another major repair problem a couple of weeks ago. The short version is that I managed to get behind the power curve in a slow flight much too close to the ground. (Kolb Pilot Quit) Probably another five feet of altitude or if I had kept my eyes on the airspeed indicator this miserable letter would never have to have been written. As it is the axle "Y" fitting broke on contact with the ground, the gear leg dug into the soft ground resulting in a crushed nose cone and a few bent tubes. Every thing is repairable, I even straightened the gear leg, it only takes time and money. While I have nothing but praise for the Firestar and the ability of the cage to absorb shock, (I didn't even have a sore muscle from the incident, except for kicking my own butt. ) I cannot quite speak as highly of the axle socket or the gear legs for that matter. While I cannot deny that the poor things shouldn't be subjected to the stresses that I have so callously asked them to withstand, I wish they were tougher. I understand that by their being the weakest part of the system that it might save some of the other parts of the cage. However when the leg snaps off or the axle breaks the rest of the cage is going to suffer as well. If the wheel had been able to stay on and just bounced rather than allowing the leg to dig into the ground, I cannot help but believe that the damage would have been substantially less. I hopefully will be getting some of the 4130 gear legs this spring, and perhaps I can talk Terry into building me some tougher axle Y's as well. I would have expected the gear leg to collapse, but the gear leg was OK, the damn axle Y broke. If I planned to stick to airports and other civilized environs then none of this would be a consideration, but I haven't, and most likely won't. Larry C do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:34 AM PST US From: robert bean Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lost mold strut faring There is also the lightweight microsphere-filled auto body filler. Sands easy and could be shaped through saran wrap by hand. BB do not archive On 5, Mar 2008, at 12:01 AM, ross richardson wrote: > That is good information for those that are thinking about or have > made their own parts. You might consider using hot mud (joint > compound/drywall mud) if you make a mistake or sand to much. The > hot mud comes in 15, 30, 90 min. drying times so be ready to apply > it when mixed. This way you won't have to wait > 24 hrs for it to cure. > > > From: mdnanwelch7@hotmail.com > To: kolb-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Kolb-List: Lost mold strut faring > Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:49:51 -0800 > > > Kolb guys, > > First, thank you Uncle Craig for the lost mold tips. It was very > thoughtful of you to go to the trouble to > show us your handywork. > > I hope I'm not stepping on Uncle Craig's ideas, but I thought I > would mention a trick I use when working with > molds for making my own fiberglass parts. > > I use joint compound, the stuff they use for taping and texturing > walls. It is cheap, phenominally easy to sculpt, > and absolutely falls apart when exposed to water (meaning it cleans > up easy). > > Similar to Uncle Craig, I'll do a basic build-up with tape, thin > woods strips, or whatever...just to get close. > Then, I layer on some joint compound, fairly thick..maybe more than > 1/2" thick. Let that set for about 24 hours, until > it is nice and dried out. Then you are ready to start shaping your > piece. Your best sculpting is done with the drywall > sandpaper. It is made of heavy gauze and has holes in it, because > the joint compound sands so fast you get lots of > residue...quick. They have handheld sanding blocks. They work > best. For curves and the like, just use the sandpaper > loosely in your fingers, or wrapped around a little sponge. > > Joint compound smooths so fast, you have to be careful. You can > shape something like a small fairing in a couple of > minutes. If, for some reason you screw up, and sand off too much, > no biggie!!! Layer a bit on, wait a day, and sand it > again. > > Once you get that perfect shape you're after, put a thin coat of > epoxy resin only, just to seal it. After that is > cured, rub a couple of coats of hard car wax, or even better, mold > release wax, on the sculpted piece. You can now put > a couple of layers (maybe 4-6) over the waxed sculpted shape and > then let that cure. > > Now carefully pry the outer fiberglass shell off the inner > shape. You can now use the outer fiberglass shell for > building a finished product of the part that's a copy of what's > still on your plane. You'll need a few coats of mold > release wax in the outer shell (the inner surfaces), and you're > ready to build your part. > > Mike Welch > > PS. Another safe layer to use, at the beginning of your build-up, > that may be quite a bit more resilient than plastic > wrap, is to use aluminum foil. NO resins will eat it away, or > otherwise seep through and get to your plane beneath. > > > Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. Get it now! > get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-Listp:// > forums.matronics.comblank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > www.matronics.com/Navigator?Kolb-List_- > ============================================================ _- > forums.matronics.com_- > ============================================================ _- > contribution_- > =========================================================== > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:09 AM PST US From: "Vic Peters" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lost mold strut faring Just a thought. I've used Durabond 90 in the construction business. Its drywall compound you mix yourself. It dries completly in 90 min. I thought you had to take off the plaster or drywall mold to lay up the first fiberglass. I can't seem to get the sequence right in my mind. Vic N740VP Mike Welch PS. Another safe layer to use, at the beginning of your build-up, that may be quite a bit more resilient than plastic wrap, is to use aluminum foil. NO resins will eat it away, or otherwise seep through and get to your plane beneath. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:23 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: X@#$@#%*XX From: "Thom Riddle" Larry, Welcome to the stupid stunt club, or as you put it, Kolb PILOT Quit. As BB mentioned I had a similar incident last August, fortunately at BB's place, and not 3700 miles from home as was John H's. It has been way too cold in these parts to do any work on the FS in a frigid hangar but will get back to work on it when upstate NY spring arrives... in another couple of months :-(. -------- Thom Riddle N221FA Allegro 2000 912UL N197BG FS1/447 -------------------- Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense. - Buddha Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167810#167810 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:32 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Engine Oil - to John Hauck From: "John Bickham" John Hauck wrote: > How have you dealt with the lead/synthetic oil problem? > > > > > -------- > > Dave Bigelow > > > > > > > Hi Dave B: > > Generally, we use a synthetic blend on long flights with a steady diet of > 100LL, and shorten the oil change cycle to 25 to 50 hours, or whenever it is > convenient to change oil. John W and I have used Valvoline Durablend > Semi-Synthetic with good results. > > With my newest 912ULS I started out with Shell Rotella Full Synthetic, and > have used a 50/50 blend of Rotella Syn and Rotella Organic oil when flying > cross country. > > I think I am going to go Shell Rotella Full Synthetic full time this next > year and try to keep tabs on how much lead is left in the bottom of the oil > tank at each oil change. The primary reason for running semi-sythetic is > synthetic does not suspend lead well, and organic oil does a better job of > suspending lead so you can dump it overboard at each oil change. > > Lead is heavy and will find little nooks and crannies in the engine and oil > tank to settle and harden. I am told it is a good lube for valve seats, but > will harden and clog oil passages, plus cause accelerated wear on cams > lobes, lifters, rocker arms, ect. > > Rotella Full Syn is cheaper than the other synthetics and readily available > at Walmart, which makes it easily obtainable during long cross country > flights. I can also pick up my Fram TG3614 oil filter while shopping > Walmart. > > john h > mkIII -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C "Using my Repairman Certificate" St. Francisville, LA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167813#167813 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:04:21 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: Light'em up From: "jb92563" Surprised to see the driver calmly get out of the truck and check his cargo after being strafed. Its ONLY lightning that doesn't hit the same spot twice dude.....not C-130's with a full load of ammo. 8) Maybe he thought those were exploding chickens since he could not see or hear the minigun apparently. [Laughing] He wins a Darwin Award....! -------- Ray Kolb UltraStar (Cuyuna UL-202) Moni MotorGlider Schreder HP-11 Glider Riverside County, CA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167816#167816 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:08 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Engine Oil - to John Hauck From: "John Bickham" John Hauck wrote: > How have you dealt with the lead/synthetic oil problem? > > > > > -------- > > Dave Bigelow > > > > > > > > I think I am going to go Shell Rotella Full Synthetic full time this next > year and try to keep tabs on how much lead is left in the bottom of the oil > tank at each oil change. The primary reason for running semi-sythetic is > synthetic does not suspend lead well, and organic oil does a better job of > suspending lead so you can dump it overboard at each oil change. > > Lead is heavy and will find little nooks and crannies in the engine and oil > tank to settle and harden. I am told it is a good lube for valve seats, but > will harden and clog oil passages, plus cause accelerated wear on cams > lobes, lifters, rocker arms, ect. > > john h > mkIII John H. Just a little info you may want to consider on your decision to go full synthetic. I was able to see the gearbox inspection on John W's 912S when we left TNK Homecoming and stopped in at Ronnie's on the way home. It was interesting to see the lead deposits left on the clutch rings when it was dismantled. I think you two a the best test benches for the 912 as far as number of hours flown per year. Similar flying conditions. John W may burn more Avagas than you, not sure. Give John W a call and get his opinion. Just a suggestion. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C "Using my Repairman Certificate" St. Francisville, LA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167820#167820 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:58 AM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Engine Oil - to John Hauck John W may burn more Avagas than you, not sure. > > John Bickham Hi John B: Thanks for the info. Lead is a problem we are going to have to contend with if we cross country and burn 100LL. I'll have to change oil more often, and may have to go to 50/50 mix or Rotella Dino and Full Syn. If you can't find it bottled by Shell, then blend it yourself. That is what they do. Nothing magic. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:44 AM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: computer help do not archive Help! Messages from Mike Welch and somebody else are now formatted too wide for my screen the last day or so. I have to shuttle the blue bar back and forth to read them. What am I doing wrong? Thanks for the write-up on the LG A-frame. I have to check mine, as the gear is bent. I have both good and bent spares. Bill Sullivan old FS ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:27:31 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: X@#$@#%*XX From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" Larry Cottrell wrote: << ... the axle "Y" fitting broke on contact with the ground, the gear leg dug into the soft ground resulting in a crushed nose cone and a few bent tubes. >> "You can't break 'em if you don't fly 'em." John Hauck << If I planned to stick to airports and other civilized environs then none of this would be a consideration, but I haven't, and most likely won't. >> "Don't land anywhere you don't want to be broken down at." John Williamson" Dear Larry - Sorry to hear of your recent mishap. Believe me, I know how it feels to damage your airplane because of ... being human, as we are. I hope you don't take offense to my posting these sanguine quotes from two of our fellow Kolbers. Ya gotta admit - their words ring true! Good luck in gettin' your Firestar back in the air soon, Amigo - Dennis Kirby Cedar Crest, NM Do not archive ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:32 AM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: X@#$@#%*XX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Dennis Contr MDA/AL" > "You can't break 'em if you don't fly 'em." > John Hauck > > "Don't land anywhere you don't want to be broken down at." > John Williamson" > Dear Larry - > > I hope you don't take offense to my posting these sanguine quotes from > two of our fellow Kolbers. Ya gotta admit - their words ring true! None taken, I don't think any of you, could say anything to me that I haven't already said to myself, in much harsher language. Surprisingly Karen has not said even one word about the incident. I did call Travis and ordered a full pair of the axle fittings. For what its worth, if you have the old style thin walled ones, you all might consider the new ones. I will let you know the difference when I get them. Larry C do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:21 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: engine out why not hang in there for 5 more seconds and at least begin a landing, even if he would have to plow into something not too far away on the roll out?>. Hi Mike,, I thought the same but it seems that what happened was that he touched the left wing tip. Shame, he had made a good job of it unti then Pat ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:26 AM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Lost Mold From: "Nelson, Craig" <> <> <> <> <> <> <> I do use dry wall plaster in making lost mold techniques along with paper..on this mold I used gauze and it worked out very well.. I also use clay to do little fixes-- after the plaster is shaped to the final contours and ready for composite I seal the surface with a dental separator used to make dentures and then the residual plaster can easily be rinsed away with water. After the part is removed from the plaster and trimmed the surface is smoothed and prepared for paint. Uncle craig ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:26 AM PST US From: "pj.ladd" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose for Sale Ol' Lar is getting ready to retire, >> Hi Lar, very sorry to hear that Vamoose is going in preparation for your retirement. I find it difficult to think that you are that age. From the way you tore up and down the rocks when you took Wendy and I out during the Monument Valley trip last year I would have said you had a good few years to go yet. I hope your proposed travelling will get you to the UK at some point, in which case you know where there is bed and board at exceptionally good rates plus some lovely country to fly over and a great coastline to explore. Thanks again and good wishes from Wendy and myself. Cheers and good Luck my friend Pat ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:31 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lost mold strut faring Hi Vic, Generally, to make a fiberglass part you have to make a mold. Usually, this mold is destroyed in order to get out your finished fiberglass part. That's why they refer to it as "lost mold". In most situations to make a custom fiberglass part the sequence goes something like this; (let's continue the fairing for the wing struts) 1) protect the background structure from any mess you do. Uncle Craig suggested using plastic food wrap. His suggestion was very appropriate, because the mold material he was using was fabric and plaster of paris. That stuff isn't corrosive or harmful, just mainly messy. If you make a mold out of fiberglass, then you'll need to use something more durable. I suggested aluminum foil. Regardless of the specific product, you don't want to screw up your airplane underneath all the mess. 2) Not is the time to begin the basic build up. Tape is a good idea. Flat wood strips and a glue gun, urethane carving foam, etc. The idea is to begin to shape the final product, and your very rough shape needs to be reasonably firm. 3) Now comes the sculting part. At this point, you want the final product to be as smooth and perfect as you can get it. I suggested dry wall compound, other's have suggested the rapid set joint compound. I've never used it, but if it is easy to sculpt...why not?? (I've got an idea it's pretty close to the ingredients of plaster of paris) You can use modeling clay, joint compound, bondo....whatever you want. The point is you want to layer some on, and then sand your fairing to be as smooth and flawless as you can. 4)At this point you're happy that what you have built looks awesome!! It was easy to shape and contour, but structurally it just a bunch of junk underneath. If you were to paint it the same color as your plane, it would LOOK like a beautiful fairing. Now is the time to make your "LOST MOLD". Whether you use plaster of paris, or fiberglass can depend on the size of the item being made. Certainly fiberglass will have a bit more flex than plaster. But, for small one-off parts, plaster of paris might be the best choice. Coat the sculpted shape with wax, so that the mold doesn't stick to it. Several layers of wax won't hurt! Then mix up a good amount of plaster of paris and cloth strips. Begin by laying on these strips to the fairing, and using a popcycle strip, spoon, etc., make sure you don't trap any bubbles of air against the surface. These will be holes in your mold. Continue carefully laying up all the strips of cloth drenched in plaster. 5) I would highly recommend making your "lost mold" MUCH bigger and longer than you think (maybe an extra 1 1/2" in all directions). You'd be surprised how much trimming you need to do to your finished part. If you don't allow for this cosmetic trimming, you may add a ton of extra work to get it to look good. 6) After letting your mold set frimly, whether it is plaster or fiberglass, carefully pry it away from the sculpted fairing. This is going to be the point where you wished you put on more releasing agent. It is surprising how much that female mold wants to stick to the shape you made. If you greatly underestimate that release agent, you may find the only way to get the two pieces apart is with a claw hammer. 7) If you managed to successfully seperate your "lost mold", you shouldn't need too much cosmetic work on the inside. Once you feel you've dressed up the inside, coat it a few times with mold release wax. Then cut many (as in a LOT) small strips of fiberglass cloth. Mix an appropriate amount of resin + 50% more, since running low in the middle of your project isn't smart, and do the similar job of whetting the strips, and laying them in, being conscientous to remove any bubbles. Here, watch this...it's essentially what we're after. Just realize that this mold in the video is significantly better quality than what we may need for just one part... http://howtofiberglass.wordpress.com/2007/11/20/video-how-to-make-a-fiberglass-mold/ Hope this helps give you an idea to do some fiberglass experimenting. It really is fun!!! Mike Welch Vic Peters wrote: Just a thought. I've used Durabond 90 in the construction business. Its drywall compound you mix yourself. It dries completly in 90 min. I thought you had to take off the plaster or drywall mold to lay up the first fiberglass. I can't seem to get the sequence right in my mind. Vic N740VP Mike Welch PS. Another safe layer to use, at the beginning of your build-up, that may be quite a bit more resilient than plastic wrap, is to use aluminum foil. NO resins will eat it away, or otherwise seep through and get to your plane beneath. --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:09 AM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: Kolb-List: Computer woes Bill, and group, My apologies if my posts are screwing your computer up. Sorry. About a week ago someone posted a video of a car vs a jet. When I tried to view the video it went "nuclear" on my computer. It must have brought a virus with it. My computer would not log on to the internet. It would not work worth a darn!! All kinds of crap rained down on my system!! After someone posted a response a response about the video, I gave it a try once again, and this time all appeared well, that's why I konw it was a car vs a jet. It seems we are contantly battling computer problems from people that do it ON PURPOSE!!! Damn, I can't tell you how angry that makes me, that these lowlife SOB's do it deliberately!! But, if I was somehow included in this latest infection, I do apologize. Mike Welch --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:53:29 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Kolb-List: shaped parts I use the lightweight sheet rock patch material that Lowes and Home Depot sells. It sands easily. If I have a large part, I rough cut blue foam and then fill the exterior with the sheet rock patch and sand. On flat sections, I use aluminum foil tape for strength. Other hint is to make sheet metal parts, you can use aluminum flashing backed with blue foam and rivet where necessary. I extended my trailing edge of the wing tips and tested them to 100 mph. You could overwrap with fabric, but it is not necessary. My custom winglets of lexan with extended wing added up to 6 lbs. and it now a delight to fly with rudder only (hands off). Stall speed is down to 36 mph (with VG's) Will try to get slower with elevator gap seals and underside VG's. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:39:41 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: computer Mike- My computer is okay. I viewed the race and had no problems. I also sent it to my brother, who had no problems. I have Norton Internet Security, and so does he. Send yourself a long e-mail and see what format comes out. Mircrosoft will purge viruses for free. If you need their toll free number, I have it around here somewhere. do not archive Bill Sullivan Old FS ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:06 PM PST US From: Mike Welch Subject: RE: Kolb-List: computer Hi Bill, I don't know what the heck is going on. It's been a real PITA. Like I said, when I first tried to view that video, all hell broke loose. It took me 3 hours to finally get the computer to act somewhat normal, and have internet access again. It appears as though that email was the floodgate to a host of spams and spys. Too many to count. But, even though I have finally gotten back online, some stuff is still plaguing my system. Like a few minutes ago, I tried sending Mike Sharp an email, and there were 20 second delays in the middle of my typing. My boys (both computer wizzes in Afghanistan) suggested www.apple.com, and Mac computers as my answer. To them EVERYTHING in the world is improved if you use a Mac. But what the hell do they know, they think making $15 grand a month is worth getting shot at! But, once I finally got back online, and someone else said they saw it, and the video looked ok, I gave their link a try, and all seemed normal with the video. BTW, I want that car. Do they have an '06 model with low miles...cheap? I guess I'll break down and pay the money for this spamblocker I loaded. What I would do to those SOB's that do this stuff on purpose wouldn't be pretty. This has ALWAYS been an irritation for me!! Mike Welch Apologetic if I'm the bearer of spam. Do Not Archive _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:46 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: X@#$@#%*XX From: "Jim ODay" Bummer on the mishap Larry. :( How can I determine if I have the "beefed up" part? Here is a pic of mine - http://myweb.cableone.net/oday/Kolb/Wheel%20Brake.jpg Thanks. Fly safe. Jim -------- Jim O'Day Fargo, ND Firestar II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167893#167893 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:04 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: computer Hi Folks: My post is directed to all of us and no one in particular. Maybe I am wrong, but I think this is still the Kolb List, isn't it? Stuff like fixing computers, races between cars and planes, unless maybe it is a race between a car and a Kolb, don't fit Matt Dralle's guidelines for the Kolb List. I know it is still winter and folks are bored. Not much traffic to pass cause folks aren't flying much, or building much. However, if we allow ourselves to begin drifting from what the Kolb List was and has been for many years, I think it might drift away. Nope, I am not the "hall monitor" or the "list police". Just one member of the Kolb List among many. john h mkIII Mike- My computer is okay. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:23 PM PST US From: "John Hauck" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: X@#$@#%*XX > How can I determine if I have the "beefed up" part? > > Jim Jim: Call Kolb. Ask them what wall thickness they are using for the new beefed up gear leg/axle sockets. Get out the calipers and go from there. Looks like yours may be thin wall stuff. john h mkIII ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:11 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: X@#$@#%*XX > > How can I determine if I have the "beefed up" part? > > >> Jim > > > Jim: > > Call Kolb. Ask them what wall thickness they are using for the new beefed > up gear leg/axle sockets. > > Get out the calipers and go from there. > > Looks like yours may be thin wall stuff. > > john h > mkIII I just went out and measured mine and it looks as though the wall thickness is 65 thousands. I have to agree with John, yours looks like the thin wall stuff. Larry C do not archive ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:58 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Lost mold From: "Nelson, Craig" <> In a few hours from start to finish custom farings Uncle craig ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:20 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: X@#$@#%*XX From: "John Bickham" Larry C, Know how you feel right now. Bent my plane not being the smartest pilot in some changing weather conditions on the way to MV in 2004. You get pretty mad at yourself and feel like a walking idiot. Been there myself. John H gave me some good advice when this happened to me. Take the opportunity to do all the little mods to make your plane better. Stuff you've been wanting to do, just didn't want to take the time and stop flying. Although it took a long time, my plane bending turned out to be a really good thing. Could have been a fatal accident. Now, life and flying a bit different. Less priority on work, more on family and fun. Plane is a lot better now. Flies better and everything. Stop kicking yourself so hard. More than are willing to admit have made bigger mistakes than you have. Only way not to screw up, is to do absolutely nothing. Peace be with you. -------- Thanks too much, John Bickham Mark III-C "Using my Repairman Certificate" St. Francisville, LA Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167923#167923 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:59 PM PST US From: ElleryWeld@aol.com Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lost mold Uncle Craig that's not the color I wanted ......Just Kidding they look like every thing else you make Like Factory Ellery do not archive In a message dated 3/5/2008 8:03:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, craig.nelson@heraeus.com writes: <> In a few hours from start to finish custom farings Uncle craig **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:38 PM PST US From: "Bill Vincent" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Lost mold wow! It looks great DO NOT ARCHIVE <> In a few hours from start to finish custom farings Uncle craig ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:37 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: computer stuff do not archive Now Elley's stuff is coming through in a "wide" format. Is the server doing something, did Ellery and others change something, or is it me- the computer inexpert? Bill Sullivan old FS ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:02:32 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: THE RULES!!!!!!! I just got my copy of Ellery's Flying Truths. This is going to be the top page of my checklist. The weather must be bad up in Maine, because he's got a lot of time on his hands again. Priceless. do not archive Bill Sullivan old FS ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:06 PM PST US From: "Steven Green" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: X@#$@#%*XX ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Cottrell" Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 12:49 PM Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: X@#$@#%*XX > > None taken, I don't think any of you, could say anything to me that I > haven't already said to myself, in much harsher language. Surprisingly > Karen has not said even one word about the incident. Have you told Her about it yet? Steven Do not archive ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:54 PM PST US From: william sullivan Subject: Kolb-List: axle fittings Att: Larry Cottrell- I think I'm misunderstanding something important. Did you break the "A" frame behind the seat, or the fitting at the lower end of the landing gear leg? I need to check mine- old age. Bill Sullivan old FS ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:14 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Re: X@#$@#%*XX >> >> None taken, I don't think any of you, could say anything to me that I >> haven't already said to myself, in much harsher language. Surprisingly >> Karen has not said even one word about the incident. > > > Have you told Her about it yet? > > Steven > > Do not archive Now that one made me laugh. No way to keep from it, When I crested the rise in the strip she was outside waiting for me. :-) Married 44 years not much gets by her. Larry C ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:19 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: 912 Engine Oil - to John Hauck From: "lucien" Just for what it's worth (and John H and W's opinions will trump what I say here if different due to their far longer experience): I've always gone by the manufacturer's requirements in terms of weight and service grade in the various motors I've owned over the years. This means, first, any specific recommendations followed by the general recommendation on API service grade. I.e. Rotax has a list of specific oils they like you to use so I try to find one of those first. Then, if none of those are available, I look for a substitute and make sure it meets or exceeds the API service grage and weight requirement. Then synthetic or semi depending on the leaded issue.... I.e. I currently use the valvoline 10w-40 and note that the API service grade is now up to SL/SM on that oil. Rotax says at least SF or SG so the SL/SM oil far exceeds the minimum required API grade for the motor. Nice thing about the API grading system is their newer grades always include all the lubrication requirements of the previous grades, so you know using a later grade will still meet (and in fact exceed) the lube abilities of the earlier grade. I've been running semi-synthetic all the time since that way I can put 100LL in on an occassional basis and not have to worry about it. I change the oil/filter when the dipstick starts looking gnarly regardless of hours or at 50 hours whichever comes first. Works for me so far, LS -------- LS FS II Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167939#167939 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:57 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Vamoose for Sale At 01:16 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: > >Ol' Lar is getting ready to retire, >> > >Hi Lar, >very sorry to hear that Vamoose is going in preparation for your retirement. Me too..... Sorry I never got to meet you in person. I know we almost got together once or twice. Feel like I know got to know you after all these years anyway from looking at your web site and talking to you on the Kolb site. If you're ever down South - "come see us" Stan ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:14 PM PST US Subject: Kolb-List: Re: FireStar Cockpit Noise Reduction? From: "The BaronVonEvil" Hi All, After reading all the helpful suggestions I now have a plan. I have ordered a propeller hub extension from Saber Mfg in TX. The prop will be moved back 3" to reduce tip noise. Next I will be fabricating some filler panels to provide a physical barrier between the engine and the cockpit. On the panel side that faces the engine will have a soft acoustic material to reduce the noise further. Finally, I will close off the cockpit with a bit more lexan windscreen material to minimize my exposure to engine noise. Hopefully, My dear sweet wife will get me an ANR headset on my birthday/Fathers Day/Xmas to complete the noise reduction process. I have tried the panel idea already and have had some sucess using just cardboard held in place with duct tape. The next step is to replicate the cardboard panels in foam and fiberglass to have some lightweight but stiff panels as the final product. As the process evolves, I will try and keep everyone posted. Best Regards Carlos G Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=167940#167940 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:26 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Computer woes At 01:40 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: >Bill, and group, > > My apologies if my posts are screwing your computer up. Sorry. He's got dial up, so if you send anything over a "100 kb" picture, it takes a long time to download. He doesn't have a choice of whether to download it or not on his system - it just takes "however long it takes". Some people can't get DLS yet. It's better to send a smaller picture to the "email list". Try to send it as a JPEG & resize it to 100 kb or less. That is plenty big enough for all of us. Here is a 84 kb picture just for an example. Take your kid to work day: ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Computer woes From: knowvne@aol.com Ah so thats why the Captain about messed up Christmas hahaha 8-) -----Original Message----- From: possums Sent: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 10:12 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Computer woes At 01:40 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: Bill, and group, =C2- =C2- My apologies if my posts are screwing your computer up.=C2- Sorry. He's got dial up, so if you send anything over a "100 kb" picture, it takes a long time to download. He doesn't have a choice of whether to download it or not on his system - it just takes "however long it takes". Some people can't get DLS yet. It's better to send a smaller picture to the "email list".=C2- Try to send it as a JPEG & resize it to 100 kb or less. That is plenty big enough for all of us. Here is a 84 kb picture just for an example. Take your kid to work day: [Image Removed] ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:31:09 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Computer woes At 10:20 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: >Ah so thats why the Captain about messed up Christmas hahaha 8-) > >Take your kid to work day: > >[Image >Removed] > >---------- >Supercharge your AIM. Get the >AIM >toolbar for your browser. > Good........ see he "removed" the image, so we don't have to download it again. Good boy. ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:38 PM PST US From: "Larry Cottrell" Subject: Re: Kolb-List: axle fittings The fitting at the end of the gear leg. Larry C ----- Original Message ----- From: william sullivan To: kolb list Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:14 PM Subject: Kolb-List: axle fittings Att: Larry Cottrell- I think I'm misunderstanding something important. Did you break the "A" frame behind the seat, or the fitting at the lower end of the landing gear leg? I need to check mine- old age. Bill Sullivan old FS ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 3/5/2008 6:38 PM ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:16 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Computer woes At 10:20 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: >Ah so thats why the Captain about messed up Christmas hahaha 8-) http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3487916.ece Yeah I don't even thin John H could have landed that one, ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:59 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Computer woes At 10:45 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: > >At 10:20 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: >>Ah so thats why the Captain about messed up Christmas hahaha 8-) > >http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3487916.ece >Yeah I don't even thin John H could have landed that one, After looking at it again, I take that back. I think John could have done a "cross runway" touchdown at WOT and landed going backwards. He was a "Whirlybird" pilot anyway. I have done that myself on sandbars off St. Simons Island. 35 mph head wind (smooth a silk) - let's see who can land on the shortest sandbar at low tide. Winner gets free drinks, 2nd place goes into the saltwater and has to scrub his plane down "big time". All the rest of the pussys pay. ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:19 PM PST US From: Larry Bourne Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Computer woes Possum, your language ! ! ! Tsk tsk tsk............. Lar. do not archive. possums wrote: > At 10:45 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: >> >> At 10:20 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: >>> Ah so thats why the Captain about messed up Christmas hahaha 8-) >> >> http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3487916.ece >> Yeah I don't even thin John H could have landed that one, > > After looking at it again,* I take that back.* I think John could have > done > a "cross runway" touchdown at WOT and landed going backwards. > He was a "Whirlybird" pilot anyway. I have done that myself on sandbars > off St. Simons Island. 35 mph head wind (smooth a silk) - let's see > who can > land on the shortest sandbar at low tide. Winner gets free drinks, 2nd > place goes > into the saltwater and has to scrub his plane down "big time". All the > rest of the pussys > pay. > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Computer woes From: knowvne@aol.com We HangGlider types fly the smooth sand dunes when the winds are blowing 25 to 30 and are able to top land like a Sea Gull on a fence post... We'll set up our approach behind =C2-our chosen landing spot then slowly =C2-push out to stop =C2-our forward progress then hover =C2-over =C2-the due... We =C2-pull in to adjust for changes in wind Velocity so to stay in front of=C2-the Rotor=C2- which is often just behind us then slowly=C2-push out to settle to=C2-th e top of the due..... =C2-If it looks like well over shoot we simply=C2-pull in=C2-the bar a nd dive out into the lift band=C2- of the ridge and make another attempt.. We can also launch =C2- from the prone =C2-position never using our legs to launch ... We lay prone and with the aid of the strong wind and your buddies, they fly you like a kite to the dues edge and push you off into the vertical lift band an d away you go... Lots of fun when our East winds Kick in the early spring and late fall... Mark -----Original Message----- From: possums Sent: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 11:11 pm Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Computer woes At 10:45 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: --> Kolb-List message posted by: possums At 10:20 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote: Ah so thats why the Captain about messed up Christmas hahaha 8-) http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/article3487916.ece Yeah I don't even thin John H could have landed that one, After looking at it again, I take that back. I think John could have done a "cross runway" touchdown at WOT and landed going backwards. He was a "Whirlybird" pilot anyway. I have done that myself on sandbars off St. Simons Island. 35 mph head wind (smooth a silk) - let's see who can land on the shortest sandbar at low tide. Winner gets free drinks, 2nd place goes into the saltwater and has to scrub his plane down "big time". All the rest of the pussys pay. ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:41 PM PST US From: possums Subject: Re: Kolb-List: Computer woes At 12:04 AM 3/6/2008, you wrote: >Possum, your language ! ! ! Tsk tsk tsk. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >"He was a "Whirlybird" pilot anyway. I have done that myself on sandbars >off St. Simons Island. 35 mph head wind (smooth as silk) - let's see who can >land on the shortest sandbar at low tide. Winner gets free drinks, >2nd place goes >into the saltwater and has to scrub his plane down "big time". All >the rest of the pussys >pay" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What language? Possums? or Pussys? or What Come see me before you die & I'll let you fly my plane. You can take off on a nice long 5,000 ft paved runway with a full tank of gas. We will even give you lessons on a 2-seater for free - just in case you are a little bit rusty on your landings. But----mine is a lot more fun to fly !!!! Hell - Ill even strap a camera to the wing so every body can watch you crash. do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message kolb-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Kolb-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/kolb-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/kolb-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.