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1. 02:38 AM - Re: q (David Lucas)
2. 05:14 AM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (David Key)
4. 07:32 AM - Re: Flying with VGs (possums)
5. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: axle fittings (boyd)
6. 10:53 AM - Trailering a FireFly (David Kulp)
7. 11:15 AM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
8. 11:43 AM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Hose.A)
9. 11:43 AM - Possum's funny indicator thing-y (Bob Noyer)
10. 12:49 PM - New Kolbee (Lanny Fetterman)
11. 12:51 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (John Hauck)
12. 01:26 PM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (John Hauck)
13. 01:45 PM - Re: Trailering a FireFly (George Alexander)
14. 01:51 PM - TNK (John Hauck)
15. 02:22 PM - Re: TNK (John Hauck)
16. 02:32 PM - Re: axle fittings (Jim ODay)
17. 03:08 PM - Possum's funny indicator thing-y (possums)
18. 03:13 PM - TNK trip (william sullivan)
19. 03:13 PM - Re: TNK (Mike Welch)
20. 03:27 PM - Re: Possum's funny indicator thing-y (robert bean)
21. 03:33 PM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (ElleryWeld@aol.com)
22. 03:34 PM - Hose.A's plane (william sullivan)
23. 03:41 PM - Re: Re: Trailering a FireFly (Gene Ledbetter)
24. 03:46 PM - Re: TNK (John Hauck)
25. 03:47 PM - Re: Possum's funny indicator thing-y (John Hauck)
26. 03:54 PM - Re: TNK (John Hauck)
27. 04:00 PM - Re: Hose.A's plane (John Hauck)
28. 04:47 PM - Re: TNK (Wade Lawicki)
29. 04:56 PM - Re: TNK trip (Dana Hague)
30. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Russ Kinne)
31. 05:36 PM - Takeoff & landing & stall help (grantr)
32. 05:57 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (John Bickham)
33. 06:24 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Possums)
34. 06:28 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (planecrazzzy)
35. 06:39 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (David Key)
36. 06:55 PM - Re: TNK (Denny Rowe)
37. 06:55 PM - Re: TNK (Ralph B)
38. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: Vamoose for Sale (Larry Bourne)
39. 07:12 PM - Re: TNK (Possums)
40. 07:47 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Richard & Martha Neilsen)
41. 07:55 PM - Re: Vamoose for Sale (Larry Bourne)
42. 08:09 PM - Re: Vamoose for Sale (Larry Bourne)
43. 08:19 PM - Re: Vamoose for Sale (possums)
44. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: Firestar Versus Firefly (DAquaNut@aol.com)
45. 09:05 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (David Key)
46. 09:10 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Hose.A)
47. 09:15 PM - Re: FireStar Cockpit Noise Reduction? (The BaronVonEvil)
48. 09:18 PM - Re: Takeoff & landing & stall help (robert bean)
49. 09:22 PM - Re: Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Larry Cottrell)
50. 10:00 PM - Re: Hose.A's plane (John Williamson)
51. 10:14 PM - Re: Hose.A's plane (Hose.A)
52. 11:44 PM - Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum (Tony Oldman)
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Or I've heard this variation on the same theme;
"The superior pilot uses his/her superior judgment to keep out of situations requiring
their superior skills."
[Wink]
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
Joe
Welcome to the list , and you got a Great little plane there I am sure you
will really enjoy it. will you post a Pic of it so I can put a Plane with a
name I hear you on the hurry up and get here warm weather
Ellery in MAINE
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In a message dated 3/16/2008 12:18:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
jreaves57@yahoo.com writes:
--> Kolb-List message posted by: "Hose.A" <jreaves57@yahoo.com>
Hi everyone,
The name is Joe and I hail from Tyler, Texas. I am new to the forum and new
to ultralights. Just bought a 2002 Kolb Mark III and really anxious to get
some time in it. I have a Commercial, Instrument, Multi-engine and CFI, but
this will be a whole new learning experience for me.
Hurry up and get here, warm weather!
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| Subject: | New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
Joe,
I live at F69 stop by sometime, I can get you fuel. Congradulations!
David> Subject: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum> From: jreaves
57@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 22:14:15 -0700> To: kolb-list@matronic
Hi everyone,> > The name is Joe and I hail from Tyler, Texas. I am new to
the forum and new to ultralights. Just bought a 2002 Kolb Mark III and real
ly anxious to get some time in it. I have a Commercial, Instrument, Multi-e
ngine and CFI, but this will be a whole new learning experience for me.> >
Hurry up and get here, warm weather!> > --------> HoseA> > > > > Read this
topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=170128#
=====> > >
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| Subject: | Re: Flying with VGs |
At 08:43 PM 3/15/2008, you wrote:
>
>What is the do-dad on you nose cone right in front of you?
>Are you using it for slip indicator? First I thought it was a
>pivoting airspeed probe like they often use on aircraft during
>certification testing.but it looks like it acts more like a ground
>direction indicator?
>jerb
Using it as a slip indicator - it came off a sail boat.
A string works just as well if I have my windshield on, but not so good
when I fly out in the open.
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| Subject: | Re: axle fittings |
With that mental picture in mind,,,, take a piece of sheet metal, and
clamp it to the leg a few inches above the axel fitting using a screw clamp,
or two to keep it from moving.... drill the sheet metal from the opposite
side of the gear leg through the existing hole. This will locate the
hole... then pull the sheet metal far enough from the leg to slide the axel
fitting on,, make sure you don't move the locator, when the axel fitting
is properly aligned,, the hole in the piece of sheet metal will locate the
hole in the axel fitting.
Boyd
Ok I am going one step further after sleeping on this.
In order that you don't increase the size of hole in the gear leg, make a
snug fitting bushing and slide it in the gear leg hole.. Now when you drill
the sheet metal to mark the hole location in the gear socket. use the
largest drill that will fit inside the bushing, using it as a guide.
Slide the axel fitting on the leg and align the fitting and drill with the
smaller size drill.. after drilling you will be able to check the alignment
by putting the drill bit through the hole in the axel fitting and into the
bushing.. if the alignment is ok then go ahead and drill it to the proper
size,,, if it was off a bit,,, then file the hole in the axel fitting to
correct the alignment,,, then drill through to the other side of the axel
fitting, then from the other side open it up to the correct size, remove the
bushing, and continue drilling through the first hole to correct any offset.
You may have to read a bit between the lines.. But this will give you a
trial fit and a chance to correct it before drilling to the full size.
Boyd
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| Subject: | Trailering a FireFly |
I'm looking for advice on tailoring my new FireFly. I'm going to bring
it home to PA from TN in the near future, and although I have numerous
pictures and sites about tailoring a Kolb, I'd like some specific advice
from those who have done it successfully.
As a starting point, I have thousands of miles hauling machinery loads
on 18 wheeler flatbeds and lowboys with overweight and over-dimension
loads a normal challenge. But the only Kolb I hauled was my US on my
half ton pickup, wings and engine in one load, and the rest on another.
I made ramps from the ground onto the front of the pickup and pulled it
onto the truck so the mains rode on the cowl right by the windshield (I
had the landing gear crossmembers Xing in front of the windshield) and
the boom tube continued from above the cab back to the tailgate,
suspended by a simple bungee rig. Looked kind of like the space shuttle
riding piggyback on the huge cargo jet when they move it. And this was
only for a distance of about 30 miles.
I bought a field construction trailer which is ready for the trailer
park in the sky to both haul and hanger my new Kolb. It has an overhead
door in the rear and is 28' long inside, 32' overall. I am going to gut
the entire interior and re-work the overhead door from rolling at the
header to sliding along the top for more height. I doubt if I'll throw
truckers chains over the FireFly and bind it down with chain binders,
so, folks, any tips (that may not be apparent in the pictures available)
you can give me on tying it down, cradling the tail section and
protecting the fantastic paint job would be greatly appreciated. I
really, REALLY don't want to scuff the FlagFly.
Thanks in advance,
Dave Kulp
Bethlehem, PA
FireFly 098
We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart.
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
Joe
As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience
will serve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on
25% till you are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only
then cut the power. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more
experience SLOWLY reduce the power you set for approach or set one notch
of flap. Don't do both at the same time. In fact you may be better off
adding a bit more power the first time you use one notch of flaps. Some
of us still carry some power with lots of experience. I like to carry
some power because landing with one notch of flaps with some power will
feel just like no power (engine out) with no flaps. I know this first
hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief periods on
approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our members
that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings but I would wait
for that after your first thousand landings and even then approach it
with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm being too
conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too fast
to flaps and no power.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: DAquaNut@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Joe,
Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest
difference between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more
drag and slows down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are
close to the ground. The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare
at all. Just fly it to about a foot off the ground and back of the
throttle. If you flare like a conventional craft you are asking for
trouble.
Good Luck,
Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In Houston)
80* today
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
Thanks everyone for the advice on landing the Kolb. I intend to get a few hours
dual instruction before venturing out on my own.
Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird:
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| Subject: | Possum's funny indicator thing-y |
Gnaw, B'ferd, thet thar inde-cater thang ain't atall whut yew said!
I have scrutinized this object, and it clearly is designed to point
to his mother-in-law's location, no matter where he is in space in
respect(?) to her.
s/s Usta Hadone
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HoesA, Looks like a nice aircraft. I see it dosen`t have a gap seal between
the wings. If it didn`t come with one you might want to buy or make one.
Lanny N598LF FSII
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
> The name is Joe and I hail from Tyler, Texas. I am new to the forum and
new to ultralights. >
> --------
> HoseA
Hi Joe:
Welcome to the world of little airplanes.
We have a lot of fun building and flying these little guys.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
> Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird:
>
> --------
> HoseA
Joe:
Where is your center section?
Kolbs were designed to fly with centersections to cover the area between the
wing sections. They fly much better with center section installed.
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a FireFly |
undoctor(at)ptd.net wrote:
> I'm looking for advice on tailoring my new FireFly. I'm going to bring it home
to PA from TN in the near future, and although I have numerous pictures and
sites about tailoring a Kolb, I'd like some specific advice from those who
have done it successfully.
>
>
> Dave Kulp
> Bethlehem, PA
>
> FireFly 098
>
> We have enough youth, how about a Fountain of Smart.
>
Dave:
In my view, there are 3 key points to address. How you specifically address them
will vary based on the trailer, the plane and most importantly what makes you
feel comfortable.
-Get the weight off the tail wheel. Most popular method seems to be suspending
the boom tube in a cradle secured to the floor. This method accomplishes the
primary objective and keeps the tail in place. Others use a sling, suspended
from the ceiling to set the boom tube in. This method requires more thought
in preventing the tail from swaying side to side.
-Get the weight of the wings off the boom tube. Some build cradles for the wings,
securing the cradles to the floor. Others use slings and suspend the wings
from the ceiling. Either way, the wings need to be stabilized to keep them from
banging into anything/each other. Some leave the wings in the normal folded
position and use slings to relieve the weight of the wings from the appliance
that attaches the wings to the boom tube. Finally, some take the wings off
entirely and secure them to the walls of the trailer. Still requires cradles
or at least padding.
-Secure the mains to the floor. Blocks/chocks on all four sides of each wheel
and then strap the wheels/axles to the floor. There are differing views about
securing the cage itself to the trailer. Those that say "don't do it", offer
that the mains should be able to take anything that you would encounter while
trailering plus rigidly securing the cage puts unnatural stresses on it. I tend
to go along with this view.
The section on Trailering a Kolb on my web site has examples of all these methods.
Hopefully, this will help and others will offer views as well. Bottom line is
you have to be comfortable with the method you choose.
My $.02 worth which got me 1250 miles from Northern NJ to SW FL.
Good luck with your new toy.
(Hmmm a Firefly in a 28' trailer.... you'll be looking to sub-let the front 6 or
so feet. ) :D
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Hi Folks:
Chow out the little mkIII and flew up to the factory last Wed. Wonderful
flight. Logged 4.1 hours on the way north.
Friday morning headed south, made it 7 sm from Rockwood, TN, ran into a
brick wall, turned around and flew back to TNK. Rain, low viz down and
back. Flew 173.2 sm, 2.2 hours, and ended up back at TNK.
Yesterday morning I departed TNK. Weather looked great all the way to
Rockwood, TN,90.0 sm and 1.1 hours later. I could see the dark clouds to
the west when I made my approach to KRKW. I elected to stay at KRKW until
0900 this morning. Was a great decision. Got lots of rest. Spent the
night on the front porch of the FBO. Wouldn't let me sleep inside. Some
FBO's are not designed for "barn stormers" and some are.
This morning I flew .6 hrs and 66.2 sm to Collegedale, TN. They had a full
coffee pot, sandwiches in the frig, and a cheese Danish. Had fun talking to
the local pilots, then headed SW for Gantt IAP, Alabama. Arrived 2.1 hours
and 184.0 sm later. Was good to be home.
Weather was perfect today. Had a good tailwind. My ground speed was
between 95 and 116 mph all the way home.
The little mkIII did great, as usual. Was a good training flight to get
ready for the flying season. Sun and Fun next month and Monument Valley,
Utah, in May. John Bickham's flyin in July, and also Oshkosh. Then the
Kolb Homecoming the end of September. My, my! Time is flying when we are
having fun.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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> Chow out the little mkIII and flew up to the factory last Wed.
Folks:
I have no idea why my fingers typed "Chow" instead of "Pushed."
Next time I'll proof read before I punch the send button. ;-)
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: axle fittings |
Boyd:
I have one of those hole locater devices you describe. I get the idea of using
the strap on the outside.
I was looking at the part and I am thinking I may be able to set up the old with
the new and get the position located OK and put it in my drill vise and put
the hole through both sides. If the alignment is off with the existing hole
on the gear leg I can clamp it in place and drill through the next larger hole.
I would not even be messing with this if Larry had not broken his. But, if I can
minimize the opportunity to bend my plane, it is a good thing. Besides, it
is still cold here and I cant fly it anyway.
I have some handy tools to locate the centers of holes but they do not work here.
I have a phone call to make to another Kolber with a suggestion to consider
too.
Thanks for the advise, I appreciate it very much.
Jim
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Jim O'Day
Fargo, ND
Firestar II
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| Subject: | Possum's funny indicator thing-y |
At 02:39 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote:
>
>Gnaw, B'ferd, thet thar inde-cater thang ain't atall whut yew said!
>
>I have scrutinized this object, and it clearly is designed to point
>to his mother-in-law's location, no matter where he is in space in
>respect(?) to her.
>
>s/s Usta Hadone
>
>do not archive
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John- I was watching the national weather, and you were very fortunate to have
missed out on the weather fronts. They looked pretty erratic to me.
To get the "chow" out of the typing- eat first, then write. Then you won't
think about it.
Also- Hose.A's Firefly has a single wing strut. I thought Fly's had 2 struts.
Could it be a newer type Firestar cage, but not so new to have the vertical
aileron push tubes? Wing tips look custom, too.
Bill Sullivan
old Firestar
Windsor Locks, Ct.
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John,
Incredibly fun sounding trip. These types of cross-country flights are the most
enjoyable form of flying there is, in my opinion.
I look forward to finishing my MkIII soon, and venturing out on my own trips!
BTW, are you planning to fly your plane to MV? That would be about a thousand
miles!!!
Mike Welch
PS. For the gentleman that asked about trailering a Kolb, I would HIGHLY recommend
the boom dolly that Uncle Craig shared with this group a few days ago. I
am about 95% finished with my copied version. I am only waiting on the wheels
from Harbor Freight in tomorrow's UPS delivery.
In total, my boom support cost me $25 for the wheels, the scrap 36" long X 8"PVC
pipe was free (from the City Water Plant), the steel channel was $6.17 (it
was scrap, also, I had to sand some rust off a few pieces), the hinges and latches
were $12, and the paint was $8. For a grand total of less than $55 and
just slightly more than a day's work. I'll post pics when it is 100% finished.
Credits go to Uncle Craig....very nice design, and VERY strong support.
One modification I may include is a tow handle. Since my future home is 1000'
from the local airport, I may very likely just pull the plane from my hangar,
down the street, and into the airport entrance. (less than 1/4 mile away)
By adding a handle I can tug it with my small 4-wheeler. It is also VERY likely
I can keep the wings spread at all times. We'll be out in the country, on
a very seldomly used road. This is about as close to having one's own 5000' asphalt
runway as you can get. That's one of the reason's I bought it. Nice 3
acre piece of land, and I'm a general contractor/builder.
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| Subject: | Re: Possum's funny indicator thing-y |
Thet ainguish haint no worsn it twas befo.
BB, relatives in S Indiana
On 16, Mar 2008, at 6:05 PM, possums wrote:
>
> At 02:39 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote:
>>
>> Gnaw, B'ferd, thet thar inde-cater thang ain't atall whut yew said!
>>
>> I have scrutinized this object, and it clearly is designed to point
>> to his mother-in-law's location, no matter where he is in space in
>> respect(?) to her.
>>
>> s/s Usta Hadone
>>
>> do not archive
> Gotta learn how to do it right.
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
after seeing the Kolbs on Barnstormers that is the one I thought you would
have purchased thinking it wasn't to far from where you live it sure looks
like a nice one I hope you have many hours enjoying flying in it
Ellery in Maine
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Thanks everyone for the advice on landing the Kolb. I intend to get a few
hours dual instruction before venturing out on my own.
Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird:
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I can't quite makeout a lot of detail- might be the old computer. Let me try again.
The plane looks like an early TNK Firestar ll, new type cage, and looks like
flaperons? I am still trying for visual cues to help identify the age on mine.
Also, what type engine is that?
Bill Sullivan
old FS
watching paint dry, and waiting out the
weather
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| Subject: | Re: Trailering a FireFly |
Dave,
I'm one of the folks who removes the wings and hang them from the
trailer wall.
If you go to my website, you can see photos.
homepage.mac.com/gene1930
I have trailered between Cincinnati and Florida 3 times without a
scratch.
Gene
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> I look forward to finishing my MkIII soon, and venturing out on my own
trips! BTW, are you planning to fly your plane to MV? That would be
about a thousand miles!!!
>
> Mike Welch
Mike W:
Yes, I plan on flying to MV. This will be number 6, and I have not missed
flying to one yet. From my airstrip it is about 1500 sm to MV, depending on
how crooked I fly. From there will fly up the Rock House in SE Oregon, home
of Larry Cottrell, with John W. Then back across the Idaho, Wyoming, SD.
I'll head for Alabama, and John W will head for Texas.
We do flights like this every May after MV. Usually, I will end up with
about 75 flight hours and around 6,000 sm. This is my normal annual long
flight. Then there is Lakeland and Oshkosh, and a few other flights thrown
in there, plus the Kolb Homecoming last weekend in September. Forgot about
Homer Kolb's Father's Day Flyin in June. Gonna try to fly to that one this
year.
I'm still planning on flying back to Alaska Summer of 2009 to celebrate my
70th year. I don't know if I can still do it or not. I'm not as spry now
as I was. If I can do it, be comfortable, and have fun doing it, I'll have
my bag packed and be on my way about the last week of June 2008.
Yes, this kind of grass roots cross country flying is a ball. That's why I
have been doing it for the last 24 years in Kolbs. If it wasn't fun, I'd
find another hobby, in addition to dirt bikes, ATVs, antique tractors, and
traveling in the old Dodge/Cummins and ancient 5th wheel.
Take care,
john h
mkIII
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| Subject: | Re: Possum's funny indicator thing-y |
> Thet ainguish haint no worsn it twas befo.
> BB, relatives in S Indiana
Bob B:
I don't see anything wrong with it. That's how we talk in the Heart of
Dixie, hauck's holler, alabama.
john h
mkIII
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I'll have
> my bag packed and be on my way about the last week of June 2008.
Guys:
I need a secretary.
Plan on departing for Alaska last week of June 2009.
john h
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| Subject: | Re: Hose.A's plane |
Bill S:
Think that is a MKIII with a 582 Rotax.
No flaperons, but big flaps.
john h
mkIII
The plane looks like an early TNK Firestar ll, new type cage, and looks
like flaperons? I am still trying for visual cues to help identify the
age on mine.
Also, what type engine is that?
Bill Sullivan
old FS
watching paint dry, and
waiting out the weather
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John,
Next time let me know, we have a 2200` strip near Lebanon Tn. bout half
way between you and them. We have a futon, kitchen and shower your welcome
to use if needed.
Fly Safe,
Wade
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Fly Safe! Wade
Nashville Tn.
FS 2
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At 06:10 PM 3/16/2008, william sullivan wrote:
>...Hose.A's Firefly has a single wing strut. I thought Fly's had 2 struts...
Bill, the Firefly's have two wing struts. My understanding is that this is
not for any structural purpose, but to increase drag to slow down the
maximum speed according to the calculations in AC103-7. Many owners
retrofit a single strut with a bar at the top to span both attach fittings
on the wing.
-Dana
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
HoseA -- where's the pic?
On Mar 16, 2008, at 4:22 PM, John Hauck wrote:
>
>
> > Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird:
>>
>> --------
>> HoseA
>
>
> Joe:
>
> Where is your center section?
>
> Kolbs were designed to fly with centersections to cover the area
> between the wing sections. They fly much better with center
> section installed.
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
>
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| Subject: | Takeoff & landing & stall help |
My instructor and I are learning how to fly my MKIII! Flying it is not hard taking
off is a bit tricky for both of us. Landing he does good. I do fair.
He has over 2000hrs in phantoms and Challengers. He currently flies a challenger
II.
We are still getting used to the plane and have a few questions for you experienced
kolb guys.
Today I almost took out a runway light on takeoff. My instructor is pretty sure
we were hit by a cross wind gust just after I raised the tail. Anyway the plane
made a hard veer to the right when the tail came up then I over corrected
and made it veer left and then It really went right back into the wind and off
the side of the runway. We got off the ground in time.
my plane stalls at 45mph indicated
We are raising the tail at about 40 to 45mph and rotating at 55mph. Climb at 60
to 65mph. These seem to be good numbers. How do your numbers compare?
Do you guys have the VNE speed for the MKIII and the max flap speed ?
What is the best way to make a crosswind take off on asphalt or grass?
Is it ok to hold the tail on the ground until rotation speed?
Landings:
We approach at 65 mph engine idle We are making the landing at idle and using power
as necessary on the approach. 65 mph give plenty of energy for a nice touch
down. We have not experience the So called kolb drop. The only drop was my
high flair. :D
I am having a hard time judging when to round out. I want to round out fairly close
to the ground and my instructor gets nervous and is telling me to round
out higher. he says if I miss it by a second we are going to hit the ground hard
or fly right into the ground and kill us. We are having radio trouble too.
Since we cant communicate he just doesn't know if I am going to round out or
not. He has military headsets and 1 GA headset. I have comtronic which is not
compatable. I bought a cord thats suppose to adapt the GA headset to my comtronics.
The head set works but the GA mic doesnt work. Does anyone have a used
mic for a good price that might work or a comtronic headset with mic?
His landings are good. The one I tried a little higher involved dropping the plane
fairly hard and bouncing 3 times! Those gear legs are tough! I made the
last landing of the day and it was a perfect power off landing. I really don't
know what I did different.
Stalls: Is it normal for the MK III to give very little to no warning of an oncoming
power off stall? There is really no waring signs. the plane breaks at 45mph.
With power on the disrupted airflow over the wing spills into the prop making a
lot of prop noise but this is about 1 second before the plane stalls which doesn't
give much warning.
Thanks,
Grant
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
Welcome Joe,
Tyler, TX ain't to fer from me. Maybe I'll stop in and check on you one day.
It would be a good leg stretcher for me.
Don't rush it. Landing the Kolb is just different due to the low inertia in the
flare. Not hard just need to be aware. If you get comfortable with that, work
on short field over obstacles (trees). We have an informal gathering of Kolbs,
second weekend in July at Nauga Field (LS35). Come visit if you want.
We pass a good time!
You'll find some of the best folks in the world fly Kolbs (not 100% though [Twisted
Evil] ). Some of my best times are flying and camping with other Kolbers.
E-mail me direct if I can help. We can talk about that center section if you have
questions.
--------
Thanks too much,
John Bickham
Mark III-C
"Using my Repairman Certificate"
St. Francisville, LA
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
Hose.A wrote:
> Thanks everyone for the advice on landing the Kolb. I intend to get a few hours
dual instruction before venturing out on my own.
>
> Per request, here is a pic of my "new" bird:
Just fly it to the ground.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8022448200127542755&hl=en
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2887020469201792731&hl=en
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
Is That a 582 on yer Bird ?
Gotta Fly...
Mike & "Jaz" FSII / 503 / N381PM
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| Subject: | New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use flaps on land
ing.
From: NeilsenRM@comcast.netTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kolb-Lis
t: New "Kolbee" ... New to the ForumDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400
Joe
As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience will s
erve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on 25% till yo
u are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only then cut the pow
er. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more experience SLOWLY reduce t
he power you set for approach or set one notch of flap. Don't do both at th
e same time. In fact you may be better off adding a bit more power the firs
t time you use one notch of flaps. Some of us still carry some power with l
ots of experience. I like to carry some power because landing with one notc
h of flaps with some power will feel just like no power (engine out) with n
o flaps. I know this first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than
for brief periods on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is
one of our members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings b
ut I would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then a
pproach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm bei
ng too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too
fast to flaps and no power.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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From: DAquaNut@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Joe,
Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest difference
between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more drag and slows
down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are close to the ground.
The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare at all. Just fly it to
about a foot off the ground and back of the throttle. If you flare like a c
onventional craft you are asking for trouble.
Good Luck,
Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In Houston) 80*
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>
>> Chow out the little mkIII and flew up to the factory last Wed.
>
>
>
> Folks:
>
> I have no idea why my fingers typed "Chow" instead of "Pushed."
>
> Next time I'll proof read before I punch the send button. ;-)
>
> john h
> mkIII
>
> John,
I just assumed you loaded P-fer down with MREs for the trip. :-)
Denny
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>
> Guys:
>
> I need a secretary.
>
> Plan on departing for Alaska last week of June 2009.
>
> john h
> mkIII
John, you can hit the edit button on the right and edit what you just wrote, then
hit "submit" after your done.
--------
Ralph B
Original Firestar
N91493 E-AB
21 years flying it
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| Subject: | Re: Vamoose for Sale |
Thanks for the thought, Dave. I've got a lot on my plate right now with
work, etc., and just won't be able to do it.
For those who weren't here when this came up a few years ago, Dave was
one of my 1st students when I became a scuba diving instructor back in
'69 in Van Nuys, CA. Good Memories, Dave ! ! ! Small world, too, eh ??
Vamoose' new owner is a real nice fella from San Diego who's been a
lurker on the Kolb List for several years now. I met him in Phoenix
(Sun City) - more or less half way - yesterday and made the
introductions. He'll probably - I hope - contact the List as well as
myself with questions and to introduce himself.
I hate to say it, but I felt only a small pang as he pulled out of the
restaurant parking lot with Vamoose in tow. More feelings of relief.
He was stopped by high winds in El Centro, CA last night, and I hope he
made it home OK later today. Good Luck, Jody. Lar.
Dave Rains wrote:
>
> Hey Lar, lets go scuba diving :D
> Now, we go way back!
> Sorry to hear you won't be at MV this year, won't be the same without you. Hope
Vamoose finds an appreciative new owner.
> Dave.
>
> --------
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> N8086T
>
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>
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John Hauck wrote:
> Hi Folks:
> Chow out the little mkIII and flew up to the factory last Wed. Wonderful
> flight. Logged 4.1hours on the way north. Friday morning headed south, made
it 7 sm from Rockwood, TN, ran into a brick wall, turned around and flew back
to TNK. Rain, low viz down and back. john h
> mkIII
Yeah - bout time.
Glad you made it back (tired of carrying the load while you we gone - nobody called)
- But you missed some interesting weather down here - haa.
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
David
Ok. So tell us why.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: David Key
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use flaps on
landing.
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From: NeilsenRM@comcast.net
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400
Joe
As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience
will serve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on
25% till you are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only
then cut the power. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more
experience SLOWLY reduce the power you set for approach or set one notch
of flap. Don't do both at the same time. In fact you may be better off
adding a bit more power the first time you use one notch of flaps. Some
of us still carry some power with lots of experience. I like to carry
some power because landing with one notch of flaps with some power will
feel just like no power (engine out) with no flaps. I know this first
hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief periods on
approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our members
that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings but I would wait
for that after your first thousand landings and even then approach it
with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm being too
conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too fast
to flaps and no power.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: DAquaNut@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Joe,
Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest
difference between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more
drag and slows down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are
close to the ground. The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare
at all. Just fly it to about a foot off the ground and back of the
throttle. If you flare like a conventional craft you are asking for
trouble.
Good Luck,
Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In
Houston) 80* today
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| Subject: | Re: Vamoose for Sale |
Thanks for the thought, Russ. Looks like I'll be going north this
summer...........not enuf money in the kitty to retire and do multiple
cross-country trips, too, with diesel prices so
high. Lar.
Russ Kinne wrote:
>
> Big Lar
> Just crost my mind - when you make your swing thru w. FL I strongly
> suggest you stop at Wakulla Springs State Park & take their riverboat
> tour (all of $6!) -- it's just great. Gators, manateeses, lots birds,
> real genuine wildlife. You won't get muddy, but can roll around in a
> puddle if you feel you must -- this is NOT a touristy-type trip, even
> tho that's what it is. S. of Tallahassee on rte 363. AND Apalachicola
> oysters are the best I've ever had, out of the millions I've eaten.
> Do yourself a favor & put it on your trip schedule
> Chris Davis,who craSHED WITH NORM LABHART, LIVES NEARBY SOMEWHERE.
> Sorry, hit CAPS again.
> Fair winds,
> Russ
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:
>
>>
>> Yah, feel like I know you, too, Possum. It's been 10 years now. I
>> still have the video tape you sent, and still enjoy it and laugh at
>> it from time to time. I've met a lot of good folks all over the
>> continent from the List in my travels over those years, and met many
>> more at MV. It's been a good time.
>>
>> The Deep South visit I cancelled on the List a couple of weeks ago is
>> probably back on again. Circumstances have changed again, and the
>> problems in Canada are resolved, so I might just head East in June
>> for Lousy-ana's Atchafalaya Swamp, Okefenokee, and at least Central
>> Florida. We'll see. If I do go, I'll make a run up to (shudder)
>> Atlanta from Okefenokee, just for you. :-) I'd really like to find
>> some real swamp crawlers to take me out into that area and get wet
>> and dirty chasing snakes and 'gators and gar and turtles. :-) It's
>> always better with someone who really knows the area. I did send an
>> email a while back hoping to get an answer from that guy who said he
>> lived just north of Okefenokee, but never heard back from
>> him. Lar.
>>
>> possums wrote:
>>>
>>> At 01:16 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Ol' Lar is getting ready to retire, >>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Lar,
>>>> very sorry to hear that Vamoose is going in preparation for your
>>>> retirement.
>>>
>>> Me too..... Sorry I never got to meet you in person.
>>> I know we almost got together once or twice.
>>> Feel like I know got to know you after all these years anyway
>>> from looking at your web site and talking to you on the Kolb site.
>>> If you're ever down South - "come see us"
>>> Stan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Vamoose for Sale |
Sorry folks - thought I was replying to Russ. Didn't even
look. Lar Do not Archive.
Larry Bourne wrote:
>
> Thanks for the thought, Russ. Looks like I'll be going north this
> summer...........not enuf money in the kitty to retire and do multiple
> cross-country trips, too, with diesel prices so
> high. Lar.
>
> Russ Kinne wrote:
>>
>> Big Lar
>> Just crost my mind - when you make your swing thru w. FL I strongly
>> suggest you stop at Wakulla Springs State Park & take their riverboat
>> tour (all of $6!) -- it's just great. Gators, manateeses, lots birds,
>> real genuine wildlife. You won't get muddy, but can roll around in
>> a puddle if you feel you must -- this is NOT a touristy-type trip,
>> even tho that's what it is. S. of Tallahassee on rte 363. AND
>> Apalachicola oysters are the best I've ever had, out of the millions
>> I've eaten.
>> Do yourself a favor & put it on your trip schedule
>> Chris Davis,who craSHED WITH NORM LABHART, LIVES NEARBY SOMEWHERE.
>> Sorry, hit CAPS again.
>> Fair winds,
>> Russ
>>
>>
>> On Mar 9, 2008, at 4:58 PM, Larry Bourne wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Yah, feel like I know you, too, Possum. It's been 10 years now. I
>>> still have the video tape you sent, and still enjoy it and laugh at
>>> it from time to time. I've met a lot of good folks all over the
>>> continent from the List in my travels over those years, and met many
>>> more at MV. It's been a good time.
>>>
>>> The Deep South visit I cancelled on the List a couple of weeks ago
>>> is probably back on again. Circumstances have changed again, and
>>> the problems in Canada are resolved, so I might just head East in
>>> June for Lousy-ana's Atchafalaya Swamp, Okefenokee, and at least
>>> Central Florida. We'll see. If I do go, I'll make a run up to
>>> (shudder) Atlanta from Okefenokee, just for you. :-) I'd really
>>> like to find some real swamp crawlers to take me out into that area
>>> and get wet and dirty chasing snakes and 'gators and gar and
>>> turtles. :-) It's always better with someone who really knows the
>>> area. I did send an email a while back hoping to get an answer
>>> from that guy who said he lived just north of Okefenokee, but never
>>> heard back from him. Lar.
>>>
>>> possums wrote:
>>>>
>>>> At 01:16 PM 3/5/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ol' Lar is getting ready to retire, >>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lar,
>>>>> very sorry to hear that Vamoose is going in preparation for your
>>>>> retirement.
>>>>
>>>> Me too..... Sorry I never got to meet you in person.
>>>> I know we almost got together once or twice.
>>>> Feel like I know got to know you after all these years anyway
>>>> from looking at your web site and talking to you on the Kolb site.
>>>> If you're ever down South - "come see us"
>>>> Stan
>>>>
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At 10:50 PM 3/16/2008, you wrote:
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>Thanks for the thought, Russ. Looks like I'll be going north this
>summer...........not enuf money
This is funny - I don't care who you are:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvIGy9w0K4s
Larry ............ stay in touch with us or we'll be talkin' bout you.
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| Subject: | Re: Firestar Versus Firefly |
Group,
I have had a question about the safety of the Firefly in windy
conditions. Anyone have a fair amount in a Firefly AND a Firestar? Just pondering
the differences. The Firestar weighs more but it also has more wing area.
Anyone know which one has the highest wing loading. Lastly, If a Firestar and
a
Firefly were being flown cross country would a Firefly be more vulnerable if
the wind got a little brisk, or would they both behave about the same.
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| Subject: | New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
Because the dreaded Kolb drop, or stall is what it used to be called occurs
a little later and a little slower which gives the pilot a little more tim
e to make adjustments in the landing environment. Kolb steering is a bit ea
sier to tackle the slower you are going. It's the way that I would teach it
.
From: NeilsenRM@comcast.netTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kolb-Lis
t: New "Kolbee" ... New to the ForumDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:42:15 -0400
David
Ok. So tell us why.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: David Key
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use flaps on land
ing.
From: NeilsenRM@comcast.netTo: kolb-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Kolb-Lis
t: New "Kolbee" ... New to the ForumDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400
Joe
As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your experience will s
erve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power maybe on 25% till yo
u are within less than a foot of the ground. Then and only then cut the pow
er. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get more experience SLOWLY reduce t
he power you set for approach or set one notch of flap. Don't do both at th
e same time. In fact you may be better off adding a bit more power the firs
t time you use one notch of flaps. Some of us still carry some power with l
ots of experience. I like to carry some power because landing with one notc
h of flaps with some power will feel just like no power (engine out) with n
o flaps. I know this first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than
for brief periods on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is
one of our members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings b
ut I would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then a
pproach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm bei
ng too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they move too
fast to flaps and no power.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
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Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Joe,
Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest difference
between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more drag and slows
down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are close to the ground.
The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare at all. Just fly it to
about a foot off the ground and back of the throttle. If you flare like a c
onventional craft you are asking for trouble.
Good Luck,
Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In Houston) 80*
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
planecrazzzy wrote:
> Is That a 582 on yer Bird ?
>
> Gotta Fly...
> Mike & "Jaz" FSII / 503 / N381PM
> .
> .
> .
Yep. That's a 582 allright.
[Mr. Green]
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| Subject: | Re: FireStar Cockpit Noise Reduction? |
Hi All,
Well I got the prop hub extension on and tried it today. It made a noticeable difference
in the cockpit noise. I took my Db meter with me and measured about
a 3 to 4 db noise reduction in the cockpit area.
I also noticed the aileron torque tube on the right wing panel did not vibrate
nearly as much as before.
Overall Id say that the extension of 3" did help significantly with the noise I
was experiencing and reduced propeller tip pressure induced vibration to the
airframe.
The propeller is now at about 5" from the aileron torque tubes and this seems to
be the magic number.
I would recommend this modification for anyone considering it.
Again thanks for all the Advice,
Carlos G
AKA
BaronVonEvil
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| Subject: | Re: Takeoff & landing & stall help |
Grant, I'll reply to one of your questions......
On 16, Mar 2008, at 8:33 PM, grantr wrote:
>
> Is it ok to hold the tail on the ground until rotation speed?
>
Just once I tried the old "jump takeoff" technique I used on the
Aeronca 11AC
with my MkIII. -Stick hard back to liftoff. Not a good method.
Let the plane lighten up on its own and fly off when it feels like it.
This is, of course, with stock aluminum legs. It might be a
different plane
with long legs.
BB
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hose.A" <jreaves57@yahoo.com>
OK, I can't stand it any more- Who is Hose,B
Larry C
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| Subject: | Re: Hose.A's plane |
Hi All,
"Think that is a MKIII with a 582 Rotax. "
For all the Kolbers that were at the 2003 TNK Homecoming, you will recognize the
plane as the one built and flown there by Bob Brocious.
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Arlington, TX
Kolbra, 912ULS, 1580 hours
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| Subject: | Re: Hose.A's plane |
John Williamson wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> "Think that is a MKIII with a 582 Rotax. "
>
> For all the Kolbers that were at the 2004 TNK Homecoming, you will recognize
the plane as the one built and flown there by Bob Brocious.
Both John and John are correct.
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| Subject: | Re: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum |
I will add my two bobs worth here on how I do it. Two up long finals
,60mph at about 300 to 500 agl depending on where the runway is, reduce
speed to 55mph and full flap . Use the throttle/side slip to put
yourself on the spot you have picked to touch down. Most times from 300
ft there is no need to touch the throttle again. My suggestion for some
one landing a MK111c for the first few times would be to make all
approaches under power with plenty of flap. Doing it this way will get
you out of trouble if you miss judge something at the last moment . I
always take off with 50% flap,lift the tail about 30 mph and rotate at
50 to 55 hold the nose down momunteraly then point the nose at the sky
and maintain a steady 55 /60 to 1000 ft.
Flying solo I reduce the speeds by about 5mph.I also prefer to use grass
to land on .My first couple of attemps of taking off on a sealed runway
had much the same results as you have explained .To work out the speeds
for rotating I simply judge how far aft I have to pull the stick with a
givin AUW, If you try and rotate too slow the stick will be right back
and you will find you need to push it forward to get your best climb out
speed. After some practice you will be able to judge where the stick
needs to be with a given load. Practice.practice.practice. A very
forgiving and fun aircraft, just always remember if you pull the stick
back without either speed or power you are going to stop flying .It is
not forgiving at real slow speeds close to the ground.There are others
who may disagree with what have said here and thats OK. We all tend to
work out what suits us and develope our own operating practices from
there.
Stay safe up there
Tony from down under
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Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
David
Ok. So tell us why.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: David Key
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 9:34 PM
Subject: RE: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
I respectfully disagree with the idea that you should not use flaps
on landing.
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From: NeilsenRM@comcast.net
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:10:28 -0400
Joe
As Ed has suggested your biggest problem is landing. Your
experience will serve you poorly. On your first landings keep the power
maybe on 25% till you are within less than a foot of the ground. Then
and only then cut the power. Also don't use flaps at all. As you get
more experience SLOWLY reduce the power you set for approach or set one
notch of flap. Don't do both at the same time. In fact you may be better
off adding a bit more power the first time you use one notch of flaps.
Some of us still carry some power with lots of experience. I like to
carry some power because landing with one notch of flaps with some power
will feel just like no power (engine out) with no flaps. I know this
first hand. Some of us never use full flaps other than for brief periods
on approach to hit the landing point you want. There is one of our
members that uses full flaps and power off on all his landings but I
would wait for that after your first thousand landings and even then
approach it with added power. There will be those that will tell you I'm
being too conservative but most GA pilots will have problems if they
move too fast to flaps and no power.
Rick Neilsen
Redrive VW powered MKIIIC
----- Original Message -----
From: DAquaNut@aol.com
To: kolb-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: Kolb-List: New "Kolbee" ... New to the Forum
Joe,
Welcome to the list. congrats on your new Kolb . The biggest
difference between your Kolb and what you are used to, is it has more
drag and slows down quickly. You dont want to flare it until you are
close to the ground. The closer the better. Actually you hardly flare
at all. Just fly it to about a foot off the ground and back of the
throttle. If you flare like a conventional craft you are asking for
trouble.
Good Luck,
Ed Diebel ( Firefly 62 In
Houston) 80* today
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